The Internet

[UChessmaster]

People are dying of starvation and lack of clean water in large numbers, on a daily basis...

I think the girl is doing it for charity.

[Buffalobiian]

The girl in the video doesn't look like the girl in the background/facebook photos. The video-ed chick was heaps better.

The latter looks kinda sad.

[Uchiha Barles]

I think the girl is doing it for charity.

Yeah, one of the articles I saw said that initially it was purely motivated by her own profit. But now she's worried that she's going to look bad if she doesn't give some of that money to charity. The lolz...

But hey, however much she gives, 20% of that will go where its actually needed, which is better than the $0 they would've seen had she not done this. Victory!

[David75]

the vagina might be safe, what about the other ways in?

[Animeniax]

Found this group on Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/certifiedasianhotties

[Animeniax]

Penis size world map:http://www.targetmap.com/viewer.aspx?reportId=3073

[enkoujin]

Awwwwwww yeah.

First time I feel good about being Canadian average as an Asian.

[Archangel]

TIL I'm comfortably above average in my country

[Buffalobiian]

It's said that girth and hardness matters more than length.

[LaZie]

One of the best remixes I have heard in a while.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=en_sVVjWFKk

[Marik]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l0y734-uyzQ&list=PLCA0D1BA4B631FF03&index=1

Chun-Li vs Tifa live action, oh yeah.

[Animeniax]

It kind of sucks that the girls who can do the moves in live action are necessarily kind of butch, instead of the waifish girly types they are depicted as when animated.

Oh cool, the guy who directed that is one of these guys (the young one with the bandanna on his head):


http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x21y7v_team-ryouko-friday-night-madness-4_news#.UMjxP4PBFvA

[Xelbair]

http://zs1.smbc-comics.com/comics/20121224.gif
It is not funny pic so i'm posting it here.

[Buffalobiian]

I'm not sure I follow entirely, but I'll put a slow clap here.

<slow clap>

[Archangel]

There were these two black guys sitting at a bar in a club, and a gay guy comes up and puts his arm around both of them and says "who wants a blow job?" both of the black guys got up and beat the living shit out of him. when they sat back down at the bar the bartender asks why did they beat him up." one of the black guys said " I don't know he said something about jobs"

[Xelbair]

http://www.gamedesign.jp/flash/mahjong/mahjong_e.html
Riichi mahjong online vs AI.
Addicting.

[Animeniax]

Saw this on a blog I read sometimes. From Robotech, the ending of the Macross series, the photo album shows AD 2012.

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[Uchiha Barles]

Haha...official white house response to a petition to build the death star:

https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/response/isnt-petition-response-youre-looking

[Animeniax]

Haha...official white house response to a petition to build the death star:

https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/response/isnt-petition-response-youre-looking

Awesome response from someone who clearly knows his Star Wars. I'm sure some conservative pundits will blast the response as a waste of time and resources, but it's a great way to answer your constituents and gain their loyalty.

[Animeniax]

This Onion article perfectly captures some of the cynicism I felt recently while watching a news report on the Golden Globes and Oscars. It's called "the 6 best dresses at the golden globes":

http://www.theonion.com/articles/the-6-best-dresses-at-the-golden-globes,30897/

[Uchiha Barles]

Wow...someone at the Onion just couldn't take the bullshit anymore. That's not so much funny as it is striking and poignant. As for me, I like Tina Fey and Amy Poehler so I'll catch their highlights on hulu or something.

[Animeniax]

Some of the Onion's material is more sardonic than funny, but it makes you think. Our priorities in the Western world are vastly different than those in the rest of the world.

[Animeniax]

Lots of viewers are upset because the girls in the thumbnail never appear in the video:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p74VWuBJSS0

[Archangel]

http://new.weavesilk.com/

[Uchiha Barles]

http://new.weavesilk.com/

Not gonna lie, this is fun.

[Animeniax]

Yeah cool site. Somehow without meaning to, I drew an xray image of a penis in a vagina. Weird.

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[enkoujin]

Very cool site.

Also, 100k+ posts in General Discussion!

[Buffalobiian]

Yeah cool site. Somehow without meaning to, I drew an xray image of a penis in a vagina. Weird.

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That looks like someone's prostate in the middle. :p

[Ryllharu]

http://www.tokyotosho.info/20130401/

Today only, I presume. Either way, absolutely made my day. Make sure to hover over each of the different kinds of links.

[Death BOO Z]

"with real people this time?"

[Dark Dragon]

Pretty awesome Korean horror comic short. (http://comic.naver.com/webtoon/detail.nhn?titleId=350217&no=31&weekday=tu)

[Archangel]

Knew what it was going to be even before i opened the link.

[Alhuin]

Yeah, I'm pretty sure that was shared a couple of years ago, because I remember seeing it as well. It's a good scare for people that haven't read it though.

[Buffalobiian]

Life In Your Early Twenties Vs. Your Late Twenties (http://www.buzzfeed.com/jessicamisener/life-in-your-early-twenties-vs-your-late-twenties)

I'm pretty much right in the middle....

Except the drinks thing.. lolwut at going crook over 4 drinks. That should be more like 14.

[Buffalobiian]

He Unplugged From The Internet For A Year. This Is What He Learned. (http://www.gizmodo.com.au/2013/05/he-unplugged-from-the-internet-for-a-year-this-is-what-he-learned/)
....(aka this thread's most on-topic post. Ever.)


The Internet makes us stupid. The Internet makes us lonely. The Internet makes us less productive. The Internet makes us unhappy. Surely you’ve heard any one of these claims?

Last year, tech writer Paul Miller felt burned-out on being constantly connected, on being overloaded with information. Maybe there was something else out there? Something people have lost because they’re always on the Internet? But instead of unplugging for a while to recalibrate, he made a bold decision: he would unplug for a whole year. See what happens. The hope was that he’d find himself, that he’d become a ‘better’ Paul Miller. If nothing else, he’d be able to see what the Internet had ‘done’ to him.

Now he’s back, and he wrote an article on The Verge about the experience....

[Sapphire]

Interesting. I lost the internet for about 3 months (at home) and I derived nothing but positive effects from it. (Which last even now).

The first couple days were kind of terrifying, though. "HOLY SHIT. DAYS ARE -THIS LONG-???????????????/"

[Abdula]

this post is this thread's most on-topic post. Ever.
Hehehe, agreed.

He had to take a year off to learn that the internet was bad for him is he an idiot. My productivity quadruples if I take 2 days off.

[Assertn]

Conversely, I think this guy's experience was an obvious one. Whenever I see someone saying, "I'm quitting facebook for a month" or "I'm uninstalling this game because I play too much", I always shake my head. I know from personal experience, the problem is rarely with the thing that distracts you, but rather, the innate need to be distracted.

Also, I'm pretty sure Abdula didn't even read the article.

[Archangel]

http://www.xrite.com/online-color-test-challenge

Rate your color IQ

[shinta|hikari]

I got an 8. I have no idea how bad that is.

[Sapphire]

It said I have perfect color vision, but I'm far from elite (http://www.digitaljournal.com/article/326976). :(

That was hard, though.

@Shinta: it's from 0 (perfect) to like 2k (worst)?!.

[Buffalobiian]

http://img585.imageshack.us/img585/244/e6uz.jpg

:D

Might depend on the colour accuracy of your monitor though. I've learned that my cheap Compaq monitor from like 2006 turns out to be pretty damn good aside from some gamma imperfections.

A lot of the boxes seemed to be in the right places after I moved all the similar colours randomly to either side though, maybe that helped me out a bit.

edit: I'm guessing your score reflects your number of errors?

[Xelbair]

Online ColorIQ Challenge Results
Your score: 4
FM Hue Test Results

A lower score is better, with ZERO being the perfect score. The bars above show the regions of the color spectrum where hue discrimination is low.

4 errors in between greenish and yellowish, but closer to the green.

pretty easily solvable by using bubble-sort algorithm.

[Archangel]

http://www.staggeringbeauty.com/

Groovy

[Archangel]

http://www.mrdoob.com/lab/javascript/effects/solitaire/index.html

[Archangel]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bPH8Pe5G1p0

[Animeniax]

Not sure this is such a bad idea, but they're masking cell phone towers as trees in South Africa. I think they could at least make it a native tree so it blends in better:

http://www.cnn.com/2013/08/08/africa/gallery/cellphone-tree-towers/index.html?hpt=hp_c4

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[Buffalobiian]

Nothing blends in when it's the only tall structure standing out like that, with each looking all weird and shit. What they should do is make it architecturally pleasing and just standardise them across the nation. Sure, they'll stick out, they'll be recognisable.. but at least they'll be pleasing and glossed over.

Now it looks strange and begs your attention while pretending not to be ugly. Someone came up with an interesting idea and didn't bother refining it.

Attaching shit to existing towers is cheap though, I'll give you that.

[Kraco]

When the Japanese notice this, they will refine the idea by masking their towers to look like giant robots.

Americans could just add a big eye of Sauron on top of every tower since that's what the towers are used for anyway in the land of freedom.

[Ryllharu]

Americans could just add a big eye of Sauron on top of every tower since that's what the towers are used for anyway in the land of freedom.
No, ours are ridiculously ugly. On the east coast, they're always pine trees...the only pine "tree" in the area too. Typically seen on US Interstate highways. They look like sequoias (wrong side of the Rockies!) with 90% of the branches missing and with liver-brown paint on the "trunks".

I vastly prefer a plain metal tower with red paint on the top parts of it, or the shorter ones that just look like highway lighting.

[Animeniax]

Oh man I'm buying the new Prince single if this is true.

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The cover art for Prince’s new single “Breakfast Can Wait” (http://music-mix.ew.com/2013/08/19/prince-dave-chappelle/?hpt=hp_t3)

[Sapphire]

Not sure this is such a bad idea, but they're masking cell phone towers as trees in South Africa. I think they could at least make it a native tree so it blends in better:

http://www.cnn.com/2013/08/08/africa/gallery/cellphone-tree-towers/index.html?hpt=hp_c4

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That's just weird.

But definitely a swing from the overly-metallic-and-polluted flying car aesthetic of the future that people usually anticipate. It actually makes more sense that people who live in highly industrialized areas would want to camouflage that with an illusion of nature and the idyll. At the moment it's a bit uncanny valley, though.

[enkoujin]

One of the main reasons they look like that is probably due to functionality and cost, but I wonder if an architect can redesign them to make them more aesthetic in an urban environment...

[Archangel]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aaORkxtO-3o

Reminded me of Psyke's kid

[Animeniax]

Good site for widescreen HD wallpapers: http://wallpaperswide.com/

[Archangel]

Good find Ani, thanks

[Animeniax]

Not sure if this is the right place for this, but the whole skinny Hollywood thing is getting out of hand. Look at how skinny Olivia Wilde has become:

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[Archangel]

That picture looks shopped as fuck, here's a recent picture of her

http://i.imgur.com/lXP1UPR.jpg

Looks fine to me

[Ryllharu]

It's the dress she's wearing. The side panels create an optical illusion due to the contrast. They're pretty popular among Hollywood types (https://www.google.com/search?q=illusion+dress&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ei=4n4vUrLTHu2x4APgzIHgDw&ved=0CAcQ_AUoAQ&biw=1244&bih=902) these past couple years. Cover the left half of her body with your thumb or hand or whatever and look at the more shaded side of her body where the contrast is less. She's not very curvy. It's about the same as she looked in House or Tron Legacy.

I'm not ashamed to say that I read Yahoo Shine/omg from time to time when I'm bored. edit: Kristen Aldridge ftw.

She's still skinny, but it isn't even remotely worrying. She has a boyish or nearly-waif figure.

[Death BOO Z]

the illusion dress does wonders, the black cat dress is horrible.

[Animeniax]

Yeah sorry it fooled me too so I posted it here to see if it got anyone else. I only realized it was the dress after seeing multiple pictures from different angles.

[Buffalobiian]

My immediate thoughts were something like:

-She's sucking it in really hard
-Did she take out some ribs?
-And a few organs?
-Hang on a sec....

The effectiveness really depends on the background that the dress is viewed upon.

[darkshadow]

You guys need to get your failing eyes checked.

[Animeniax]

Ha, someone didn't believe that I thought Olivia Wilde had gotten that thin and gave me negative rep. A perfect example to the contrary is Keira Knightley. It's gross how she went from a fit and healthy babe to a sickly waif:

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Also Jennifer Connelly:

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[Animeniax]

Another good wallpaper site: http://www.goodfon.com/. Lots of high res images.

[Alhuin]

That Rengar one is badass. There were quite a few other ones I liked as well. Great site Ani!

[Animeniax]

This is a photo from the Kenyan mall massacre. Can this gun shoot around corners, or is it just a camera?

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edit: found it:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=48ozk9-z-m4

[Buffalobiian]

I would think that the suppressed pistol on top should be able to shoot around corners. The actual rifle can't. I didn't even think that a barrel could bend yet retain its integrity while firing in a straight configuration (corner fire is impossible).

edit: that's assuming it even has a rifle portion to the gun. It may just be one big contraption that fires pistol rounds only.

[Animeniax]

Watch the video, the rifle is just an extension cradle for a hand gun, so the barrel isn't angled. I wondered the same thing before watching the video.

[Buffalobiian]

Hmm, so it doesn't have a rifle part to it meaning you sacrifice power for safety. That's alright given it's designed for CQC anyway.

[Animeniax]

Awesome infographic on how Landry (from FNL) grew into Todd, the neo-nazi in BB.

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Available here since the attachment makes the words hard to read:

http://www.funnyordie.com/articles/45d3256b2d/how-landry-from-friday-night-lights-grew-up-to-be-todd-in-breaking-bad

[Animeniax]

How would you like to go up against this fleet?

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[Edort4]

With a bunch of these?

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[Animeniax]

Sorry you're not impressed. I guess the universe needs to try harder.

[KrayZ33]

tseh, radar anti-air

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ALARM

[Animeniax]

I like the "Tumbler" Batmobile but this is what Bruce Wayne should have driven instead of that Lambo:

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[Sapphire]

ReCaptcha is used to digitized books.

http://www.ted.com/talks/luis_von_ahn_massive_scale_online_collaboration.ht ml

This guy killed the shit out of two birds with one stone. Amazing.

-

The second half is about DuoLingo, a sweet program for learning languages (that also helps translate the Internet). This guy really thinks on a world-wide scale, banking on people's actual motivations and desires to solve problems.

[darkshadow]

I thought everyone knew that about recaptcha, it's the reason why you can fill in half of the captcha with whatever gibberish you want.

[Buffalobiian]

Sweet. Time to learn me a new language.

[Xelbair]

4chan one used that to fill it with derogatory term for black people wherever and whenever they could....

[Animeniax]

I don't get this promo picture. You have a demi-god, a hulk, a super-soldier, a powered-armor weapon, etc... and you should be afraid of this guy's arrows?

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[UChessmaster]

And his swag.

[shinta|hikari]

The guy can't even hold the bow right.

[Animeniax]

He holds it sideways cause it's gangsta.

[Kraco]

The correct way to hold a bow is a way that allows you to hit the mark. Nothing else matters. Unless you are an archery teacher, since prude parents might take their kids elsewhere if you taught them gangsta archery instead of a more by the book looking version.

[Buffalobiian]

His arrows always connect, right? And you never really know what's going to hit you..

Having precision aiming as a superpower is pretty good. The fight comes down to whether the strongest of his arrows (for the situation) can breach the weakest part of the enemy.

He does feel out of place in the team, but I wouldn't dare say he's ineffective.

[shinta|hikari]

In the first movie, his elbow sticks out and is not parallel to the arrow for a lot of his shots. The point here is that he wouldn't hit the targets with that form, but he does because of plot. They really should have trained the actors better for their roles.

[Animeniax]

The correct way to hold a bow is a way that allows you to hit the mark. Nothing else matters. Unless you are an archery teacher, since prude parents might take their kids elsewhere if you taught them gangsta archery instead of a more by the book looking version.

It's funny but once you learn how to hold a handgun the correct way (one of the preferred ways) it's sad to see people in tv and movies holding handguns incorrectly. I imagine archery experts cringe at Hawkeye's techniques as well.


In the first movie, his elbow sticks out and is not parallel to the arrow for a lot of his shots. The point here is that he wouldn't hit the targets with that form, but he does because of plot. They really should have trained the actors better for their roles.
Yeah but his super power is being able to hit targets no matter what, like Buff said. So regardless of poor form or technique, he can hit his target.

[shinta|hikari]

I just checked wiki about Hawkeye's superpowers, but he is supposed to have none. He is just good at what he does, which is contrary to his archery form. Am I missing some alternate universe story about his abilities here?

[darkshadow]

They are thinking of bullseye, who also doesn't have any real powers; hawkeye isn't just good at wat he does, he's literally the best archer in the marvel universe, he can shoot arrows however he feels like it.

[Buffalobiian]

"Superpowers" was a poor choice of words on my part. What I meant was "ability" - whether it came from a supernatural source or sheer training.

[Ryllharu]

He holds it sideways cause it's gangsta.

He holds it sideways to keep the arrow from falling out.

Like you're supposed to when you're not using an Olympic bow with 20 lbs of shit screwed into it which either stabilizes the whole bow, or holds the arrow, etc.

@shinta:
Is his form bad? Yes.

Does it matter? Not really. It's a movie. Hunger Games is just as bad. The one where the lead character is supposed to be great at archery. Brave is one of the few that actually cared to get it right.

edit:
And before anyone says it, yes, you in fact can be all Legolas 'n (http://youtu.be/1o9RGnujlkI) shit (http://youtu.be/SycS4QSH9Ek).

[UChessmaster]

"Superpowers" was a poor choice of words on my part. What I meant was "ability" - whether it came from a supernatural source or sheer training.

He has some implants in the Ultimate Universe.

[Animeniax]

He holds it sideways to keep the arrow from falling out.

Like you're supposed to when you're not using an Olympic bow with 20 lbs of shit screwed into it which either stabilizes the whole bow, or holds the arrow, etc.I've seen plenty of non-Olympic archers hold it vertical. The arrow rests on a perch or shallow groove on the bow.

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I think in this promo shot he's holding it sideways because it looks cool and doesn't obscure his face while also tying everything together along the length of the bow. If he held it vertically it would effectively cut the scene in half.



He has some implants in the Ultimate Universe.

I read he has a higher than normal rod cell count in his eyes and the muscles around his eyes allow for orb distortion which allows him to change focal length, effectively giving him telescoping eyes. Are those implants or a genetic mutation (making him a filthy mutie)?

[Ryllharu]

I've seen plenty of non-Olympic archers hold it vertical. The arrow rests on a perch or shallow groove on the bow.

I think in this promo shot he's holding it sideways because it looks cool and doesn't obscure his face while also tying everything together along the length of the bow. If he held it vertically it would effectively cut the scene in half.

Are those implants or a genetic mutation (making him a filthy mutie)?
Arrow rests are for losers. Traditional bows ftw!

That's exactly why they did it, but it did make it look correct.

Uh oh, you can't use that word. 20th Century Fox owns the rights to that word (seriously).

[UChessmaster]

I read he has a higher than normal rod cell count in his eyes and the muscles around his eyes allow for orb distortion which allows him to change focal length, effectively giving him telescoping eyes. Are those implants or a genetic mutation (making him a filthy mutie)?

Implants.

[Animeniax]

Here's a fun article critiquing movie Hawkeye's terrible terrible archery form:

http://www.wired.com/geekdad/2012/03/avengers-hawkeye-archery/

Best part is how JR had to wear two arm guards to protect himself because he's so bad at shooting a bow:

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No offense because I like JR as an actor and action star, plus this isn't meant to say anything about Hawkeye's skills or powers.

[UChessmaster]

Seriously though, criticizing Hawkeye is as silly as criticizing all of the many other unrealistic shit going on in the movie. It`s a superhero movie, it looks this way or that way because it looks badass, just roll with it.

[darkshadow]

Yeah, that article is seriously some of the most "who cares" shit I've read in awhile.

[Ryllharu]

I gotta say, of course he had to wear "two" arm guards. "One" of those is worthless. The prop is a single armguard. Real armguards are at least four times as wide (http://www.sausa.com/product.php?id=50&category=39). Notice the pro the image below, his armguard is about the same overall width, certainly the same proportionally. Renner has larger forearms.

I have this one. It's 5 inches wide.
http://i.imgur.com/KhvG81U.jpg

If anyone tells you that "real" archers don't need them, they're just posturing. Pros wear them, hunters wear them (prevents catching on winter jacket sleeves). The author is full of shit.


It's a movie prop for effect, like Loki's staff.

[Animeniax]

Seriously though, criticizing Hawkeye is as silly as criticizing all of the many other unrealistic shit going on in the movie. It`s a superhero movie, it looks this way or that way because it looks badass, just roll with it.

I guess it depends on how much you care about archery, which you lot don't seem to (Ryllharu didn't critique the article's critique of JR's form), then you might look harder at the form and technique of "the world's greatest archer", even if it's in a movie. Like I mentioned, it makes me laugh to see police and special forces characters on tv/movies who can't hold a firearm correctly. It ruins the fantasy, if ever so minutely.


I gotta say, of course he had to wear "two" arm guards. "One" of those is worthless. The prop is a single armguard.

If anyone tells you that "real" archers don't need them, they're just posturing. Pros wear them, hunters wear them (prevents catching on winter jacket sleeves). The author is full of shit. The author claims to be an instructor so I think he's basing the arm guards on JR's form. Seeing that poor form, he expects the archer takes a lot of string hits to the forearm, hence he concludes the need for 2 guards. It may very well be a prop/part of the costume. I imagine if the pain was so bad from repeated strikes, then JR would have worn a larger forearm guard instead of just doubling up.

[UChessmaster]

I guess it depends on how much you care about archery, which you lot don't seem to (Ryllharu didn't critique the article's critique of JR's form), then you might look harder at the form and technique of "the world's greatest archer", even if it's in a movie. Like I mentioned, it makes me laugh to see police and special forces characters on tv/movies who can't hold a firearm correctly. It ruins the fantasy, if ever so minutely.

When you were watching the movie, did you notice he was holding the bow in the wrong way?

[Animeniax]

When you were watching the movie, did you notice he was holding the bow in the wrong way?

The movie is such a mind-fuck of lights and special effects that no, I didn't notice. But then I'm not an archery fan, so it wouldn't have been something I focused on. Notice how this discussion started with me making fun of an archer amongst mighty heroes.

Remember "The Day After Tomorrow"? A geologist buddy of mine ripped it apart for all of its meteorological inaccuracies. I guess it takes a devoted mind (anal-retentive in fact) to see and demand such detail even in movies.

[Ryllharu]

Remember "The Day After Tomorrow"? A geologist buddy of mine ripped it apart for all of its meteorological inaccuracies. I guess it takes a devoted mind (anal-retentive in fact) to see and demand such detail even in movies.But being an expert a meteorology, I bet the geologist didn't have too many complaints about "The Core", right?

[Animeniax]

But being an expert a meteorology, I bet the geologist didn't have too many complaints about "The Core", right?
I'm sure you know that geology and meteorology go hand in hand, as weather plays a huge factor in shaping the earth.

If we had seen it he would definitely have had plenty to complain about The Core as well as any Hollywood movie covering his field. The thing is that around the time that The Day After Tomorrow came out, there was a lot of doomsday talk about the world entering a new ice age and megastorms destroying the world, complete with a few Hollywood movies covering the subject, so the scientific aspects of TDAT were ripe for nit-picking.

Btw, TDAT and The Core are numbers 5 and 6 in Yahoo!'s list of the 10 most scientifically inaccurate movies ever: http://movies.yahoo.com/photos/top-10-scientifically-inaccurate-movies-slideshow-903/

[Abdula]

I know I should never do this but I am actually going to agree with Animeniax here. I loved both geology and meteorology growing up even entertained the idea of becoming a geologist before I said forget this and moved on to an even more ridiculous subject but never mind that.

Funny that that list contains some off my favorite movies and yeah they were all terrible. Total Recall and that Crystal Skull nonsense were just plain terrible and have no redeemable qualities whatsoever. Still the only movie I ever regretted paying to watch was The Day the Earth Stood Still.

[Animeniax]

You didn't like the original Total Recall?? Is The Day The Earth Stood Still worth watching at all, even if it's free? I'm trying to fill up my Netflix queue and I need some sci-fi gems in there.

[Abdula]

No and no. I don't like Total Recall at all and if you know the general plot of The Day The Earth Stood Still then there is absolutely no reason to watch the movie, it adds nothing. That said if you know nothing about the plot then watch the movie. The plot itself is great and I thought it was good that the movie got a modern remake but an update is all it was. It is just like when a great, old video game, gets an HD re-release.

[Animeniax]

IC, and agree that HD re-releases are a scam. I don't agree with your point about plots though, as execution and implementation can make the most trite stories into something worth watching.

[Abdula]

Well I respectively disagree with that assertion. Plot supersedes everything else and you just made my point. The reason the movie was remade was because the plot was good, everything else about the remake was pretty bad including the acting. Keanu Reeves got the leading role. Watch it and then we can discuss it, I should probably watch it again as well since I only saw it the one time however many years ago that was.

[Animeniax]

As much as people like to joke about his acting, Reeves is a good actor in certain roles. Considering Klaatu is an emotionless alien, I think he would excel in the role.

I disagree that plot is the most important part of a work, though it is important. Many movies have similar plots and many more borrow plots from other movies or works (think pretty much all Disney animated movies) but make them their own with characters and effects. Think of the numerous book to film adaptations and know that plot is only one element of a successful movie.

[Abdula]

Lol, yes he is a good actor in certain roles, he has no range that is his damn problem >_<. I initially thought he would be good in that role as well but that was not the case. He was boring and uninteresting and that was what was on screen for the majority of the movie.

Plot is the most important element of any story to me. I tend to judge the quality of any work based on plot and characters. The other elements of a movie for example are just accessories to me. A list cast, great cinematography blah blah blah mean very little. I am not even interested in discussing this. You picked some bad examples by the way because everything you've mentioned are things I dislike. Borrowing plots, Disney movies, book to film adaptations in particular. I really just hate most book to film adaptations, or manga to anime or worse yet book to tv shows.

If I am familiar with the source material then I am most likely going to hate the adaption. It is true for manga to anime, books to movies and especially so for books to tv shows. Game of Thrones gets a pass with me because the show is so well done and I absolutely loved the books and still I only really paid attention to the first season. There have been some absolute abominations though like True Blood, The Dresden Files and Legend of the Seeker. Legend of the Seeker in particular is horrendously bad because Terry Goodkind's novels are arrogant, self-aggrandizing, derivative nonsense. Somewhere between 60% to 75% of his work is blatantly plagiarized, the rest is just ad-libbed and the only purpose all of it serves is to tell you how great his views are.

Somehow he conviced someone somewhere that that nonsense would make a great tv show and that genius decided to make it PG. When shock and awe are pretty much all he has to offer. If someone isn't being tortured(raped), castrated and forced to eat their own testicles(because they raped someone), selling their soul to the devil for power(which includes being raped by a demon with a gigantic barbed phallus), almost raped which happens all the time, or OR imagine this, discovers that they have to have sex to save the world. Then it is all the semi-philosophical ramblings of a pseudo intellectual. Damn I hate that guy. That was actually physically draining.

[Animeniax]

How did that turn into a rant against Terry Goodkind?

I will add TDTESS to the Netflix queue and give it a try. At worse it will kill 2 hours of boredom at work.

[Abdula]

Believe me I am even more surprised as you are but he is just so damn arrogant that it bleed over into everything he does. Have you read the Sword of Truth series. The main character has a damn literal sword of truth and everything he does up to and including torture, rape, disembowelment, slavery, genocide and ordering people to worship him is good and right and proper because he has a magic sword of truth. The strange thing is that determining truth is not one of the sword's powers, it is just a tool he uses to justify his own actions. It one of those things that is just so bad you have to rant about it.

Anyway I could rant about how terrible TG is all day, back to the topic. I'll try to watch it sometime tomorrow. I forgot how much I liked, uh the plot.

[Animeniax]

If the book is anything like you summarized, I think you missed the point. It sounds like satire, like the author is using the sword as a metaphor for some cause or righteousness that people use as justification for doing terrible things, like people do with religion.

[Abdula]

Hahahahahaha! So you would think but you don't know Terry Goodkind, When I first read Wizard's First Rule nearly a decade or so ago I thought it was an ok book and the series had some promise but I could not have been more wrong. The series has over a dozen books and the author takes himself completely seriously both in his books and in real life. In interviews he has claimed to be Ayn Rand's successor and when asked why he decided to write fantasy novels he has claimed that his books aren't fantasy they transcend genre. He has said that the characters of his books are real and speak to him and has even thanked them for choosing him to tell their story. It is just laughable, the very reason it is so funny is because the guy is completely serious.

[Buffalobiian]

The new Origin Great Game Guarantee works like this: You may return EA full game downloads (PC or Mac) purchased on Origin for a full refund--within 24 hours after you first launch the game, within seven days from when you purchased it, or within the first seven days after the game's release date if you pre-ordered it (whichever of these conditions happens first).

It's been in effect since August, but i didn't know about it till now. This gives me more confidence in trying new games for myself instead of relying on reviews and word-of-mouth, which wouldn't entirely reflect my own experience anyway.

[Xelbair]

24hours to finish game after its release? challenge accepted.

[Sapphire]

Hahahahahaha! So you would think but you don't know Terry Goodkind, When I first read Wizard's First Rule nearly a decade or so ago I thought it was an ok book and the series had some promise but I could not have been more wrong. The series has over a dozen books and the author takes himself completely seriously both in his books and in real life. In interviews he has claimed to be Ayn Rand's successor and when asked why he decided to write fantasy novels he has claimed that his books aren't fantasy they transcend genre. He has said that the characters of his books are real and speak to him and has even thanked them for choosing him to tell their story. It is just laughable, the very reason it is so funny is because the guy is completely serious.

I haven't read anything by TG, but Laurell K. Hamilton has said much of the same about her novels. She said it's sad that she can't actually talk to her characters, and sometimes she'll see something in the window of a mall and wish she could buy it for a character.

That's a horrible kind of attachment! lol. How is it possibly to kill people off when u love them that much.

[Buffalobiian]

That's a horrible kind of attachment! lol. How is it possibly to kill people off when u love them that much.

Ask yourself that question again when you hear voices inside your head. It might be easier to answer then.

[Animeniax]

No and no. I don't like Total Recall at all and if you know the general plot of The Day The Earth Stood Still then there is absolutely no reason to watch the movie, it adds nothing. That said if you know nothing about the plot then watch the movie. The plot itself is great and I thought it was good that the movie got a modern remake but an update is all it was. It is just like when a great, old video game, gets an HD re-release.

I just watched The Abyss (in full for the first time) which I think has a similar premise as TDTESS: aliens threaten to destroy us because we hurt ourselves. It's also one of the premises of Robert Heinlein's Stranger in a Strange Land. I guess we'll never learn, and aliens care too much.

[Animeniax]

Celebrities that most people don't know are part black (http://madamenoire.com/302769/celebrities-most-people-dont-know-are-black/)

The biggest surprise to me is Wentworth Miller.

[Archangel]

http://www.nowykurier.com/toys/gravity/gravity.html

[Ryllharu]

http://ninjasindoorthrowingstarrange.com/

That's right. Sometimes...America gets it right.

[Animeniax]

http://ninjasindoorthrowingstarrange.com/

That's right. Sometimes...America gets it right.

And in Kentucky of all places! Well that's pretty obviously a troll job, but pretty well done. A buddy of mine told me how they had archery classes (instead of standard PE) back in high school in NC. I went to a high school that let you sit around for an hour.

[Ryllharu]

I take it you've never been to Louisville, just an hour from Lexington. Eastern Kentucky is weirder, more artsy, and contemporary than you think.

Louisville is a lot like Austin, TX, just without all the holier-than-TheRestofTexas attitude...and you know, being in Kentucky.

[TwisT]

You cannot afford to be sick in america (http://www.themysteryworld.com/2014/01/you-cannot-afford-to-be-sick-in-america.html)

I knew it was expensive with hospitals in the US (specially without insurance), but this is just ridiculous. I have to ask. How much income tax do you pay over there?

[David75]

Well, if you survive, they just make sure you won't engjoy your life anymore...

[Ryllharu]

You cannot afford to be sick in america (http://www.themysteryworld.com/2014/01/you-cannot-afford-to-be-sick-in-america.html)

I knew it was expensive with hospitals in the US (specially without insurance), but this is just ridiculous. I have to ask. How much income tax do you pay over there?
It's like 25%. At least my tax bracket. For the majority of Americans, it ranges between 15% and 33%. Also for those majority of Americans, not a dime of it goes to healthcare they will use because they don't qualify for Medicare (old people) or Medicaid (disabled or poor children).

But it is important to know how insurance works in the US. Look at that third image from Cedars-Sainai. "Pre-discount" charges is written all over it. That's the bill they send to the insurance company. If you have insurance. Following that, the hospital (or any other facility) will "negotiate" over the actual price. You can see that by the end of the bill, it is already cut in half. The insurance company ultimately pays a lot less, and you pay your deductible for a calendar year.

If you don't have insurance, your bill is a lot lower in the first place, because they know it would be impossible for you to pay. It won't be cheap, and it won't be anything close to someone with a deductible, but it won't instantly bankrupt a person. They'll make a repayment plan.

It's also important to note that in US emergency rooms, they will treat you. Even if they know you can't ever pay.

[Xelbair]

It's like 25%. At least my tax bracket. For the majority of Americans, it ranges between 15% and 33%. Also for those majority of Americans, not a dime of it goes to healthcare they will use because they don't qualify for Medicare (old people) or Medicaid (disabled or poor children).

But it is important to know how insurance works in the US. Look at that third image from Cedars-Sainai. "Pre-discount" charges is written all over it. That's the bill they send to the insurance company. If you have insurance. Following that, the hospital (or any other facility) will "negotiate" over the actual price. You can see that by the end of the bill, it is already cut in half. The insurance company ultimately pays a lot less, and you pay your deductible for a calendar year.

If you don't have insurance, your bill is a lot lower in the first place, because they know it would be impossible for you to pay. It won't be cheap, and it won't be anything close to someone with a deductible, but it won't instantly bankrupt a person. They'll make a repayment plan.

It's also important to note that in US emergency rooms, they will treat you. Even if they know you can't ever pay.

Isn't that the whole goddamn point of emergency rooms?

[Uchiha Barles]

This seems somewhat relevant to the discussion:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qSjGouBmo0M

He does speak about negotiating prices with care providers but says that there's a lack of leverage compared to other countries on account of the fact that our government isn't in charge of negotiating those prices (save for medicaid and medicare).

[Animeniax]

Awesome site, though it used to be more fun searching for the answer: http://whoisthathotadgirl.tumblr.com/

[Animeniax]

The Push Up Muscle Shirt helps hide your flab and look like you work out.

http://theflatteringman.com (http://theflatteringman.com/?view=preview)

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[Buffalobiian]

I just suck my tummy in and puff my chest out.

[Ryllharu]

http://youtu.be/ZDXuPQ9ML9E


It's a pretty clever political ad. I honestly don't care who created it (though it's apparently an arm of the Koch political machine), because it is well done and damn entertaining.

I want more political ads like this, and less of the overt mudslinging variety. Legitimately clever satire is what we need more of, it became a dying art in the US.

[Animeniax]

I just suck my tummy in and puff my chest out.

Yeah but that requires constant attention and effort. The shirt makes it passive and therefore more likely to succeed.


It's a pretty clever political ad. I honestly don't care who created it (though it's apparently an arm of the Koch political machine), because it is well done and damn entertaining.Unless you're talking about another Koch, the Koch bros are conservative big business types who fund Republican political campaigns. That'd be strange that one of their subsidiaries made this, unless in jest. Though Colbert regularly lambastes big business and his channel is owned by Viacom.

[Ryllharu]

Unless you're talking about another Koch, the Koch bros are conservative big business types who fund Republican political campaigns. That'd be strange that one of their subsidiaries made this, unless in jest. Though Colbert regularly lambastes big business and his channel is owned by Viacom.
I'm actually not talking about different Kochs. Politics isn't as black and white as mainstream media and the DNC/RNC would like people to believe. The carefully crafted message is that each of the action figures represent big government, subsidies, unions, and pork.

Not to mention the Republican Party stratagem de jour is to pretend to be libertarians. Smaller gov't is great, less regulation, etc.

You'll also notice that Big G is both blue and red.

The Koch Brothers are very diversified.

edit:
Full story about it here (http://news.yahoo.com/kronies--the-latest-koch-backed-project-is-a-viral-cartoon-even-the-left-can-love-224333470.html).

[Archangel]

http://donottouch.org/

[Animeniax]

http://donottouch.org/

That is pretty cool. I like all the "rebels" who didn't follow directions.

[Animeniax]

Oh shit, Australia is a nightmare land filled with beasts and terrible monsters:

http://diply.com/just-a-dream/30-photos-proving-australia-is-most-insane-place/33811

[Kraco]

Oh shit, Australia is a nightmare land filled with beasts and terrible monsters:

http://diply.com/just-a-dream/30-photos-proving-australia-is-most-insane-place/33811

"They forgot the most noxious, toxic Australian creature of all - prime minister tony abbott."

I was expecting one such as this when reading the comments.

[Animeniax]

"They forgot the most noxious, toxic Australian creature of all - prime minister tony abbott."

I was expecting one such as this when reading the comments.

The comments are pretty funny. I like the ones pointing out that in places like America, the humans are the most dangerous creatures running around.

The image on the first page scared the shit out of me. Is that a vampire or a gargoyle being eaten by that snake?? Turns out it's a flying fox, yet another horrid nightmare creature in Australia.

[Animeniax]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fpbOEoRrHyU

Funny segment on net neutrality and a call to flood the FCC with comments. I doubt it will help, but it's fun.

[Animeniax]

Amazing performance of Swan Lake by the Chinese State Circus... amazing what fear of a prison sentence and hard labour will do to bring the best out of performers:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4sMc-p19FIk

[Ryllharu]

You're a fucking idiot.

The Chinese State Circus is based out of the UK. It was created in the 1990s by Phillip Gandey. Note the banner at the top, and then look at their address at the bottom (http://www.chinesestatecircus.com/). Maybe read the paragraph in the middle if you are really ambitious.

[Animeniax]

It's ok, I know some Chinese people so it's not racist or xenophobic to make jokes about their home country's authoritarian rule.

[Animeniax]

Here's a dumb commercial from VW about the dangers of cell phone use while driving:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R22WNkYKeo8

[Kraco]

Here's a dumb commercial from VW about the dangers of cell phone use while driving:

I'm kind of happy that I don't even remember the last time I heard a cell phone ringing in a movie theater. Blabbering idiots of course aren't ever going to disappear, but at least cell phones remain mainly silent in these parts.

A pretty funny video in any case.

[enkoujin]

I'm kind of happy that I don't even remember the last time I heard a cell phone ringing in a movie theater. Blabbering idiots of course aren't ever going to disappear, but at least cell phones remain mainly silent in these parts.

A pretty funny video in any case.

I find that a large amount of people keep their phones on during the advertisements and trailers until the "feature presentation" reel where it reminds people to turn off their phones or set them to silent.

I'd still prefer the comfort of my own home rather than a movie theatre to avoid these people, though.

[fahoumh]

I find that a large amount of people keep their phones on during the advertisements and trailers until the "feature presentation" reel where it reminds people to turn off their phones or set them to silent.

I'd still prefer the comfort of my own home rather than a movie theatre to avoid these people, though.
I hate people in movie theatres; I almost always get some jackass who kicks the back of my seat and/or another ass clown that is constantly on their cell phone. It's the main reason that when I do go (which is like 2 times a year now) I sit at the back and typically away from other people and I always wait until a movie is at the end of its life in theatres so it's almost a guarantee the seating will be mostly empty...but that's hard to plan because movies hardly spend any time in theatres.

[enkoujin]

Here's a cool website showing what a universal font would be like. It's an aggregation of hand writers all over the world:

http://theuniversaltypeface.com/home

[Archangel]

http://imgur.com/gallery/OqFrt

Dude repaints dolls to look more like their original counterparts

[Animeniax]

There are The Devil Wears Prada action figures?? Not surprised the artist is a Flip. They are a very artistically talented bunch.

[Killa-Eyez]

Hory sheit!

1689

http://www.demonoid.ph

[Animeniax]

Hory sheit!

1689

http://www.demonoid.ph

1690

I'd be cautious using that site.

[Assertn]

Watching youtube clips posted by some guy named survivor030406. It's almost like following a soap opera... full of drunks and crackheads.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P9cObozvAQ0

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-BcKFgAnAzY

[Archangel]

http://i.imgur.com/uJIZLO8.gif

I could really use one of these

[Assertn]

http://i.imgur.com/uJIZLO8.gif

I could really use one of these

I suppose you might find a use for it if you have something 5 cm long that you want to measure the angle of.

[Xelbair]

http://www.cs.cmu.edu/~om3d/

this is awesome, an kinda disturbing if you think how it can be(or it was) used.

[Kraco]

Yeah, pretty cool. Though I'm sure the short video made the whole process look 500% more simple than it actually was. But that's how ads work, of course.

[Xelbair]

That was no ad, that was a link to scientific paper describing this method - watch full length video to see how it actuallyworks.

[Animeniax]

1692

From http://trendspotter.toptentalk.com/fascinating-epiphanies-about-everyday-moments-10

[Kraco]

1692

From http://trendspotter.toptentalk.com/fascinating-epiphanies-about-everyday-moments-10

If the people behind the ad were themselves fluent in Mandarin, they wouldn't anymore be looking for a person knowing Mandarin, as they would already have the talent in themselves.

[shinta|hikari]

Unless the people behind the ad need more people other than themselves..?

[Animeniax]

Or they could hire a freelancer who knows mandarin to write the ad. Freelancers aren't usually looking for long-term work, and this company might want someone long-term.

[darkshadow]

http://youtu.be/bDOZbvE01Fk
sosad

Am I old? I'm old :[.

[Ryllharu]

Half of their bafflement is that they just don't play console games at all.

They're probably familiar with the emulated cell phone versions.

edit: You could easily get the same reaction from someone in the their 30s on this one.

[Animeniax]

Internet Arcade, browser based MAME arcade games library:

https://archive.org/details/internetarcade

[KrayZ33]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3JdT4fDi4iI

[Ryllharu]

Great, now I have to watch Kaleido Star again...

[Archangel]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oANxjUgbVFQ

[Uchiha Barles]

Not that U2 is the most difficult band in the world to cover, but that was quite solid. Respect.

[Buffalobiian]

Well here's a first. I can understand the words of a U2 song.

Haha, so true. "What? These are... lyrics!"

[Archangel]

http://i.imgur.com/NQXr1De.gif

[Xelbair]

that is pretty cool, even more so if it was hand drawn.

[Assertn]

http://kotaku.com/19-year-old-kid-creates-badass-fighting-anime-1679185130

This is some high-quality Narutoesqe combat. Very awesome.

[Buffalobiian]

Pretty awesome. I suppose one thing that ticks me off (even with pro-works) is the constant change in camera angles and/or overuse of slow motion when someone lands a hit. It ruins flow, and should really be used to make up for a lack of stuntmen's martial arts skills and choreography.

That's harsh criticism, but overall good work.

[Assertn]

Pretty awesome. I suppose one thing that ticks me off (even with pro-works) is the constant change in camera angles and/or overuse of slow motion when someone lands a hit. It ruins flow, and should really be used to make up for a lack of stuntmen's martial arts skills and choreography.

That's harsh criticism, but overall good work.

Well, I imagine one 19 yr old kid would lack the martial arts skills and choreography of an animation department, though really I think the point here was for him to mimic a current popular style as a showcase of his capabilities.

[Buffalobiian]

That is true. I don't blame him for lacking it. Pros lack them too.

My intent was to point out something that could be improved upon, and also put into perspective that this is still a solo work by a young adult.

Martial arts in film in general isn't as good as it was two or three decades ago. I attribute this to a decline in action stars.

[Abdula]

Reminded me of Yu Yu Hakusho for some reason. The only thing I am curious about is how long it took him to make it.

[UChessmaster]

http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2013/11/16/chinese-child-sex-doll_n_4286730.html

So china is saying kid blow up dolls, or whatever they call, people on my facebook are grossed out and stuff, I feel weird for not actually seeing the problem, can anyone enlighten me?

[Abdula]

Just wow. Well that is certainly the most disturbing thing I have seen so far this month. UC the problem would be that this caters to and encourages what most people would describe as unhealthy fantasies and I would think most would wonder how long it would take before someone gets tired of their doll and decides to get a flesh and blood substitute.

I wouldn't know but I don't think people who have sex with dolls are the most mentally stable people to begin with.

[shinta|hikari]

Yawn. 3dpd.

[Buffalobiian]

Unless there is data or proof that shows such tendencies to "tire of dolls and move onto the real thing", such good shouldn't be restricted since no harm is done in and of itself as far as I can see.

This reminds me of a few years ago where Australia (South Australia?) amended laws such that actor/actresses in pornographic films must not be below the age of consent, nor appear to be below the age of consent. If you look too young, or your flat boobs suggest you might not have finished puberty - you're a kid not a woman and can't be in porn.

I think it's very important in law to properly evaluate things based on what is true, not what we think is true or what we fear.

[UChessmaster]

Unless there is data or proof that shows such tendencies to "tire of dolls and move onto the real thing", such good shouldn't be restricted since no harm is done in and of itself as far as I can see.

THANK YOU! that`s exactly my point, you could argue that it will lead to the real thing, I could argue that it could be the best coping mechanism, EVER.

[Animeniax]

I put this right up there with casting Natalie Portman as the love interest for Thor.

So what some of you are saying is that child porn is ok, as long as actual children aren't used to make that porn. A child-like sex toy as a coping mechanism?? I think severe beatings and electro-shock therapy make more sense to control those feelings.

[Buffalobiian]

So what some of you are saying is that child porn is ok, as long as actual children aren't used to make that porn.

Yes, assuming that there is no true, proven risk to actual child harm.

Just because I don't like something isn't enough to make it a law and ban other people from doing what they like. To infringe on that you need to have a better reason like public safety. Not fear for public safety, but actual risk.

You guys live in America right? You'll have to start with banning guns before you move onto child sex dolls.

The evidence there is quite a bit stronger. Thing is, so are the lobbyists - which is what matters ultimately.

[Kraco]

A person who would buy and own such a doll must be a real no life king who never gets visitors. It would be an instant end to all social life if somebody sees such a thing lying on the bed. I also wouldn't want to go to the customs and open the box in front of the official, regardless of whether it's illegal or not. But I guess there are people who wouldn't care.

[Animeniax]

Yes, assuming that there is no true, proven risk to actual child harm.

Just because I don't like something isn't enough to make it a law and ban other people from doing what they like. To infringe on that you need to have a better reason like public safety. Not fear for public safety, but actual risk.

You guys live in America right? You'll have to start with banning guns before you move onto child sex dolls.

The evidence there is quite a bit stronger. Thing is, so are the lobbyists - which is what matters ultimately.

Guns have an actual legitimate purpose, they are just unfortunately used for criminal activities, but that could be said of anything that is misused like knives or medicine. Child-like sex dolls have only one purpose, and that isn't to give pedophiles an outlet so they won't act out their urges on real children.

[Buffalobiian]

Child-like sex dolls have only one purpose, and that isn't to give pedophiles an outlet so they won't act out their urges on real children.

Let's not talk about purpose. That idealises things, because anyone can make up a "purpose" or talk about how much potential something has to be good/bad. What you want to talk about is solid statistics. For every 10'000 guns you have in circulation, how many lives are saved because they "shot" the perpetrator? And for that 10'000 guns in circulation, how many people are killed when they should not have been? In clinical papers, these are called Number Needed to Treat and Number Needed to Harm.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Number_needed_to_treat

You mentioned medicines. If a medication causes more harm than good, it's not used.

I must iterate as I've said before that data behind sex dolls is lacking. I'm not going to argue that they decrease child abuse because they're an alternative outlet. That data is lacking too. What I will argue, is that given we know pretty much nothing about any of this, on what basis do we have to outlaw this? Should society start passing bills based on fear and speculation?

I think not.


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The word paedophile has become a taboo word, and I think some people think the word implies more than it means. Paedophiles are not criminals. Sex offenders are criminals. F1 drivers are not by default traffic offenders.

[shinta|hikari]

Claps hands.

[Animeniax]

Let's not talk about purpose. That idealises things, because anyone can make up a "purpose" or talk about how much potential something has to be good/bad. What you want to talk about is solid statistics. For every 10'000 guns you have in circulation, how many lives are saved because they "shot" the perpetrator? And for that 10'000 guns in circulation, how many people are killed when they should not have been? In clinical papers, these are called Number Needed to Treat and Number Needed to Harm.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Number_needed_to_treat

You mentioned medicines. If a medication causes more harm than good, it's not used.

I must iterate as I've said before that data behind sex dolls is lacking. I'm not going to argue that they decrease child abuse because they're an alternative outlet. That data is lacking too. What I will argue, is that given we know pretty much nothing about any of this, on what basis do we have to outlaw this? Should society start passing bills based on fear and speculation?

I think not.


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The word paedophile has become a taboo word, and I think some people think the word implies more than it means. Paedophiles are not criminals. Sex offenders are criminals. F1 drivers are not by default traffic offenders.
Yes but what is a crime? It is an act that is statutorily defined as being against the law because it violates our sense of morality and justice. That doesn't give enough weight to the moral and societal wrongness of an act, just in some cases it's clearly defined as wrong, either through obviousness (murder, rape, theft) or through historical evidence of its negative influence on society. I don't think we want to wait for historical evidence in this case, as that would mean a lot of innocent lives ruined. Pedophilia for all intents is criminal because sex with children is almost universally prohibited by law. In your example, if an F1 driver drove 180mph on city road ways outside the confines of a race venue, he would be charged with a crime.

[shinta|hikari]

You missed his point entirely.

To follow the example provided, pedophilia does not even involve driving the race car. It ends at the point of wanting to drive the race car very fast. Sexual assault and statutory rape are crimes and equate to speeding on city roads.

I get the desire to kill certain people all the time but that doesn't mean I ever will.

I think masturbating using loli sex dolls equates to driving the race car in the race circuit. LOL @ this analogy.

[Animeniax]

It's a bad example in the first place. You can't equate pedophilia to traffic offenses, it's apples and oranges in their potential for harm and unrelated. An F1 driver isn't a traffic offender period until he commits a moving violation. There is a reason race cars aren't street legal, as they are meant to be confined to a race track. You may as well say that any person driving a motor vehicle is a potential traffic offender.

There are different classes of crime that are defined as such simply because society sees them as detrimental to the public good. These are typically labelled as vice crimes. Pedophilia, while not legally a crime, has a societal stigma against it and rightfully so. It may not be illegal because it is not an act, but society deems it harmful to the public good and therefore should control manifestations that encourage the act. You know, gross shit like these loli dolls.

[shinta|hikari]

Pedophilia for all intents is criminal because sex with children is almost universally prohibited by law.


Pedophilia, while not legally a crime, has a societal stigma against it and rightfully so. It may not be illegal because it is not an act, but society deems it harmful to the public good and therefore should control manifestations that encourage the act.

I just clarified it. Because you said that something that is "not legally a crime" and "not illegal because it is not an act" is "for all intents criminal."

[Animeniax]

I just clarified it. Because you said that something that is "not legally a crime" and "not illegal because it is not an act" is "for all intents criminal."

For all intents, but not in fact. Doesn't change that it is squarely in the category of "should be".

[shinta|hikari]

But you can't get jailed for being a pedophile, so "for all intents" is inaccurate.

I can argue about this all day, but I remembered it was you.

I'll leave it to Buff if he thinks this is even worth discussing.

[Edort4]

Discussing pedophilia here is like discussing weapon bans in a NRA meeting :P Just joking... offenses come later :cool:

Im against banning things that dont harm others or that are clearly potential of doing so... this threads close to the limit. I wouldnt recommend this and speak clearly (and loudly) about how much I despise this and anyone who uses it but I wouldnt ban it. Unless serious studies show an incremental threat effect on the scum using this.

@Animeniax You can coat it like you want it but that is plain dictatorship. And Heinlein had quite a bit of those "ideas" in all of his books.

[Animeniax]

But you can't get jailed for being a pedophile, so "for all intents" is inaccurate.

I can argue about this all day, but I remembered it was you.

I'll leave it to Buff if he thinks this is even worth discussing.Me being one of the guys who make and support policy and law because I represent what the vast majority in society consider proper and right, so little counter-culture kids like you can do it in secret and feel like it's not perverse. Keep telling yourself that.

Personally I like the idea of moon culture according to Heinlein. Those who can't abide with the majority get pushed out the airlock.


Discussing pedophilia here is like discussing weapon bans in a NRA meeting :P Just joking... offenses come later :cool:What does that say about some of the weirdos here? I think the mods should consider the appropriateness of some of the avatars/sigs.


Im against banning things that dont harm others or that are clearly potential of doing so... this threads close to the limit. I wouldnt recommend this and speak clearly (and loudly) about how much I despise this and anyone who uses it but I wouldnt ban it. Unless serious studies show an incremental threat effect on the scum using this.The problem is the difficulty in quantifying/qualifying the harm done while trying to establish causation.

[Buffalobiian]

edit: Animeniax: I am addressing your concerns about sig appropriateness in another thread. (Click here to be redirected.) (https://forums.gotwoot.net/showthread.php/5034-New-sig-or-wallpaper-show-it-off-here!?p=549487&viewfull=1#post549487)

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Instead of writing a messy, multi-quote rebuttal I'll try to keep this short and to the point.


Yes but what is a crime? It is an act that is statutorily defined as being against the law because it violates our sense of morality and justice. That doesn't give enough weight to the moral and societal wrongness of an act, just in some cases it's clearly defined as wrong, either through obviousness (murder, rape, theft) or through historical evidence of its negative influence on society.

The United Nations Declaration of Human Rights has a few things most Western countries agree that each individual human is entitled to simply for existing and being a human being. It is largely put in place to prevent oppression of individuals and groups - even minorities.

Amongst those things are Freedom of Thought and Freedom of Opinion. To prosecute someone for having thoughts about child sex violates these rights.

Article #9 states "No one shall be subjected to arbitrary arrest, detention or exile."

That said, the rights of one individual will at times conflict with those of another. [Example: Freedom of Speech (threats) vs Freedom from Fear (to not feel threatenned).]

So what justification does the law have to prosecute, punish or even execute individuals? What makes a reason arbitrary and what makes it justifiable?

Do not dismiss the crimes: murder, rape and theft as "obvious" without thinking. They are crimes because such acts cause significant, proven harm to victims.

Other acts are criminalised because the risk for harm has been established. Smoking restrictions and speed limits are such examples.

Let's remember that our original discussion was not even about outlawing paedophilia itself, but banning the sale of loli-sex dolls. My interpretation of your quote below, Animaniax, is that neither has the harm been quantified nor has the causation been established.


The problem is the difficulty in quantifying/qualifying the harm done while trying to establish causation.

Paedophilia and such topics cause a knee-jerk reaction within the general public because everyone gets touchy once child safety is involved and the vast majority have no interest in the rights of paedophiles. Do not forget that they too are humans. Don't oppress them without a good reason.

[Animeniax]

Yet we as a society legislate restrictions on personal freedoms and liberties all the time, then fail to do so in other more obvious instances (as you mentioned gun control; alcohol is pretty much unregulated but drugs are heavily regulated). We as a society also judge and decide what's acceptable via social mores and taboos. Pedophilia as a mindset is not illegal, but it definitely isn't acceptable in any modern society. A sex toy that facilitates pedophilia is a money grab and an attempt at legitimization of an immoral and illegal act (actual sex with a minor, not masturbation with pedophilia in mind).


Other acts are criminalised because the risk for harm has been established. Smoking restrictions and speed limits are such examples. How long did it take to establish that these actions were harmful and how many people suffered in that time frame? Looking back, wouldn't you prefer we had nipped these societal ills in the bud instead of waiting decades to establish their risk? Are we willing to risk that with children when the mindset of pedophilia is already socially unacceptable?


@Animeniax You can coat it like you want it but that is plain dictatorship. And Heinlein had quite a bit of those "ideas" in all of his books.Is it a dictatorship if the vast majority want it and abide by it? That is not rule by a small centralized power, that is the voice of the people.

[Buffalobiian]

You mention two things:

1) Majority rules should prevail
2) Learn from lessons from the past.

Remember Hitler and his ideas? Remember that Jews and the intellectually disabled were singled out and treated as dirt in Germany? Who authorised that? The majority.

If slave drivers outnumbered slaves did that make it a moral act? Left-handers were shunned as a minority. Homosexuals were weeded out.

How long did it take to establish that these actions were harmful and how many people suffered in that time frame? Democracy isn't the be-all-end-all of decision making Animeniax. That's why there's a charter of human rights recognising the basic privileges of humans that should not be violated without a good reason, even if the majority says so.

I do believe that harm needs to be quantified (proven). If not then you restrict and oppress people out of fear and theoretical extrapolations. As you've rightly mentioned our laws do some stupid stuff already.

Alcohol and guns have some pretty good data behind their harm. Do you know why they're not as tightly regulated as you might expect? Because there are gun lobbyists and industry lobbyists driving it. Because while alcohol is a hazard to the health of yourself and others, the majority still want to get pissed.

Animated child pornography is illegal (despite the lack of harm in production) because the majority hold an unsubstantiated fear, and they don't give a fuck about the minority they are pushing their standards on.

Irrational laws exist, and are passed by the majority. Your argument revolves around
-that's okay because we're the majority and should continue doing so.
-As the majority if we don't like something, fear in theory or don't find it acceptable we're allowed to trample on all voices and acts that promote otherwise.

Because fuck human rights and informed decision making.

Have you got any more to add to this?

[shinta|hikari]

Animeniax wants to push those who don't abide by the majority out of the airlock, remember?

[Animeniax]

You mention two things:

1) Majority rules should prevail
2) Learn from lessons from the past.

Remember Hitler and his ideas? Remember that Jews and the intellectually disabled were singled out and treated as dirt in Germany? Who authorised that? The majority.

If slave drivers outnumbered slaves did that make it a moral act? Left-handers were shunned as a minority. Homosexuals were weeded out.

How long did it take to establish that these actions were harmful and how many people suffered in that time frame? Democracy isn't the be-all-end-all of decision making Animeniax. That's why there's a charter of human rights recognising the basic privileges of humans that should not be violated without a good reason, even if the majority says so.

I do believe that harm needs to be quantified (proven). If not then you restrict and oppress people out of fear and theoretical extrapolations. As you've rightly mentioned our laws do some stupid stuff already.

Alcohol and guns have some pretty good data behind their harm. Do you know why they're not as tightly regulated as you might expect? Because there are gun lobbyists and industry lobbyists driving it. Because while alcohol is a hazard to the health of yourself and others, the majority still want to get pissed.

Animated child pornography is illegal (despite the lack of harm in production) because the majority hold an unsubstantiated fear, and they don't give a fuck about the minority they are pushing their standards on.

Irrational laws exist, and are passed by the majority. Your argument revolves around
-that's okay because we're the majority and should continue doing so.
-As the majority if we don't like something, fear in theory or don't find it acceptable we're allowed to trample on all voices and acts that promote otherwise.

Because fuck human rights and informed decision making.

Have you got any more to add to this?
In the examples you list, the perpetrators have no grounds for argument. Hitler was wrong, slavery is wrong. Unfortunately for you pedos, pedophilia is wrong too. Also, Hitler and slave-owners did not represent the majority. A f*cking world war was fought to end Hitler. The Allied nations represented the majority in that case. Are you saying Hitler had the right to want racial purity like pedos have the right to lust for children? I understand the difference between thought and action, but the potential actions that pedophilia lead to are not worth letting it thrive for the sake of a few peoples' right to think and feel as they please. What is the end result of pedophilia? Is there a way to satisfy such an unhealthy and destructive appetite? Sexual desire has a natural outlet, ie get laid. But pedophilia's only natural outlet leads to harm. There is no positive outcome for such a mindset.


Animeniax wants to push those who don't abide by the majority out of the airlock, remember?If their acts and thoughts lead to harm for the majority. That's why we have the death penalty and prisons and laws. No, 100% of those governed will not agree with a law, but the majority rules.

[Buffalobiian]

Read up on history a bit before commenting Animeniax.

Hitler's Nazi part was elected into power via German democracy. Even when it became a dictatorship, he continued to enjoy major social support with his idea of unifying German countries - ideas that lead to the weeding out of unwanted, "inferior" groups.

WWII was not started because the majority of the world did not like Hitler hunting Jews. As multi-factorial as it is, the war "began" with the invasion of Poland 1939. Grossly speaking, the Allied Nations went to arms when Germany began aggressive territorial invasion.

Hitler had a leg to stand on, as far as his Germans are concerned, because he was looking out for them. His pro-German ideology was enticing, and the speak of other races contaminating the German gene pool was convincing.

Slavery had a leg to stand on. White people saw black people as uncultured and inferior, if they considered them as people at all.

The Stolen Generation in Australia was a time when indigenous children were taken away from their parents to be schooled in the colonial-Australian way.

All of these acts had their reasons. Educating indigenous children seemed to be an act of benevolence. Black people serving white people was obvious, to borrow your term. Hitler's actions in Germany was supported by the majority.

You support democracy and I am not necessarily against it, but you should also look at its critiques and criticisms. We look back in history, at the wide support for atrocious acts and think "How the fuck did that happen?" We addressed this by creating a charter of Human Rights. The Stolen Generation shows you that when you ignore them for shitty reasons (we think we're right, and we're the majority), they'll happen again.

Am I saying Hitler had the right to want racial purity like pedos have the right to lust for children? Yes I am. That's called Freedom of Thought. They also have to right to vocalise this. It's called Freedom of Expression.

Pauline Hanson was a recent Australian politician who sought for a white Australia. Communist political parties still exist around the world (in countries where they're not the ruling party). We haven't bombed, killed or outlawed them. But we could - because we're the majority. But we don't - because they're allowed to think what they want.


their acts and thoughts lead to harm for the majority.. There is no positive outcome for such a mindset.

Prove it. (Wait, you said you can't, or haven't yet).

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tl;dr key point: Democracy has lead to abominable acts in the past. Majority rules does not necessitate a good outcome, no matter how much it sounded like a good idea at the time. Human Rights were placed as a guide as to the basic human privileges each person should enjoy.

Your fundamental problem is that you believe ruling by a majority can do no wrong, and that it's fine to truly oppress people based on unsubstantiated fear and guesswork.

edit: here's something lighter for everyone else.


http://youtu.be/lL8JEEt2RxI

[Edort4]

For example the vast majority of this forum could vote to permaban animeniax just cause they dont like him and that would be wrong unless you have broken some rules that state why you should be permabaned.

I think that negative liberties should be unconditional. All others (like laws, and constitutions) could be changed under vast majority following several votes, lenghty processes (just so ppl can chill, too many bad laws have been passed on "the heat of the moment") and supervision from different law courts.

[UChessmaster]

For example the vast majority of this forum could vote to permaban animeniax just cause they dont like him and that would be wrong unless you have broken some rules that state why you should be permabaned.

Are you sure we can`t vote on this?

[shinta|hikari]

I think people have tried and failed, you know, because of freedom of expression.

[UChessmaster]

Can we like... try again?

[Animeniax]

@Buff: I don't need to re-read history because we're living in the end result of it (to this point anyway). Most of those terrible things you listed are no longer here and others will never come to fruition. Why? Because the majority saw that they were wrong and terrible and put an end to them. They had their brief time in the sun because they were allowed freedom of expression and thought, and you see what that led to.

I'm not saying democracy (the majority) always works or is always right. I see the need for the electoral college and other institutions of control. Your average voter or mouthpiece can't be counted on to make rational and intelligent choices. While I believe in free will and choice, I also see that humanity needs to be controlled and kept in check. Where would China be without its limit on children per family? Even freedom of speech has its limits. Freedom of expression should as well because they tend to lead to action and that can be harmful to the greater good. Freedom of thought shouldn't be grouped in with speech and expression for obvious reasons.


For example the vast majority of this forum could vote to permaban animeniax just cause they dont like him and that would be wrong unless you have broken some rules that state why you should be permabaned.

I think that negative liberties should be unconditional. All others (like laws, and constitutions) could be changed under vast majority following several votes, lenghty processes (just so ppl can chill, too many bad laws have been passed on "the heat of the moment") and supervision from different law courts.*Cackles* luckily online forums don't work the same as the real world. I haven't violated any rules of the forum. If the powers that be implemented rules against dissent and independent thought, then I'd have to abide by them or get banned.


Are you sure we can`t vote on this?
Where would these forums be without voices like mine? I'm sure you'd rather it were just you and a couple like minds propping up each others gripes and twisted fantasies.

[Buffalobiian]

-"Bad ideas should be suppressed because people will start listening to them."

-"Your average voter or mouthpiece can't be counted on to make rational and intelligent choices."

-"Me being one of the guys who make and support policy and law because I represent what the vast majority in society consider proper and right"

-"Those who can't abide with the majority get pushed out the airlock."



Anyone see the problem here?

The average Joe is manipulable and can listen to bad ideas. We'll suppress those. When they take up a good one though (presumably because you selectively let it spread) we'll say Majority Rules.

I'll have to take my words back. Knowingly or not, you're quite familiar with (at least one of) the pitfalls of democracy after all.

This is just commentary. I don't have any more to add right now.

[Edort4]

Now I understand why ppl end discussions. The more he writes the worse it gets. Just basically described how to breed a dictartorship by arguing ppl dont know what they want and what limits should their freedom have so someone else, who knows better (always "my" people/faction/party usually) has to force it to them.

Thats almost a step by step of how every democractic dictatorship has started in the world. Terrifying way of thinking.

[MFauli]

Animeniax, one question: If it was possible to read people´s minds/visualize their fantasies, would you be in favor of killing all those who imagine having sex with girls below the legal age of consent?

[Buffalobiian]

Animeniax, one question: If it was possible to read people´s minds/visualize their fantasies, would you be in favor of killing all those who imagine having sex with girls below the legal age of consent?

Is that even a question? Of course he would, that's what he's been arguing about the entire time.

[shinta|hikari]

I disagree. Animeniax, at most, implied that he wanted pedophiles prosecuted, not killed.

[Buffalobiian]

With all that talk about pushing people out of airlocks if he had his way?

[shinta|hikari]

It's obviously exaggeration. If he actually meant such things, he wouldn't be venting in an internet forum. He'd probably be in a prison or something similar instead.

[Animeniax]

Sorry for the absence, I was recovering from the flu and also testing others' hypothesis that not discussing something (via ignoring or banning someone) is better than discussion you completely disagree with and that makes you angry.

@Edort4:
I'm kind of perplexed that you see my line of reasoning as so abhorrent or aberrant when it's basically how things are done in places like the US and other even more liberal countries. For better or worse, majority does rule. Calling that a dictatorship is peculiar since that's how democracies are run for the most part.

@shinta:
Definitely exaggeration. I'm not even fully behind the death penalty as it is applied in the US. I'm for a death penalty, as I believe some people just don't deserve to live and should die for their crimes. Ideological disagreements aren't one of those crimes. I think my original purpose in mentioning that idea from Heinlein was to illustrate how majority rules in keeping the peace and for the public good. I guess one would have had to have read the book to fully appreciate the reference.

While I obviously think pedophilia is bad, I also realize of course that a person shouldn't be punished for thoughts, as those tend to come unbidden and uncontrolled (see any scumbag brain meme).

[Edort4]

@Edort4:
I'm kind of perplexed that you see my line of reasoning as so abhorrent or aberrant when it's basically how things are done in places like the US and other even more liberal countries. For better or worse, majority does rule. Calling that a dictatorship is peculiar since that's how democracies are run for the most part.

Well I think you are mixing things up. First democracy doesnt mean majority rules. It depends heavily on the voting system and you there in USA (as in UK comes to mind those results UKIP 12,6% votes for 1 representative) you should know what I mean. First is the "majority" (this isnt always true) of the ppl who vote or can vote. States put "barriers" to voting in the way of random minimum age participation, criminal records and few other things creating a first distortion to that majority.

Then those allowed to vote may do it or not (abstention usually is the majority in all votings in the 1st world). Then depending on the voting system you can have governments with representative majority in their congress/parlaments with less than 35% of the valid votes. Thats just to explain that democracy has, a lot of time, nothing to do with majority.

Countries (not many I can think about as liberal enough to deserve that name, only Switzerland, Austria and Singapore, if you count it as a "country", come to mind) can be liberals from an economic point of view, from a social point of view, none or both. For economic liberal countries democracy is not a must (but usually helps) for social liberal countries seems to be a must. Cause it hasnt happened in any other social system so far. Then depending on the liberal "school" you have ones that see the rights as positive or negative. A liberal society based on negative rights shouldnt or couldnt allow to change those liberties no matter what any voting says cause they accept that they are innate to the human being.

And going back to the discussion. I understood you said that if the majority (what kind of all the ones I listed?) wanted to kill or ban someone they have the right to do it. Change that to the majority wants to abolish private property. The majority wants to share the means of production between all. Thats perfectly attainable through the "democracy" you portrayed. ¿Could you still call that liberal? So we can conclude that democracy=liberal isnt true at all.

Democracy is just another way of "social organization" and can perfectly become a dictartorship. South America is full of those.

[shinta|hikari]

TLDR: Tyranny of the majority.

[KrayZ33]

Am I saying Hitler had the right to want racial purity like pedos have the right to lust for children? Yes I am. That's called Freedom of Thought. They also have to right to vocalise this. It's called Freedom of Expression.

just skipping through the walls of texts, but whenever I read BS like this it makes me angry, just for your information, freedom of speech/expression has limitations, you can't go around and say whatever you want, you can *think* whatever you like, but you arn't always allowed (by law) to express it.

[shinta|hikari]

The United Nations Declaration of Human Rights has a few things most Western countries agree that each individual human is entitled to simply for existing and being a human being. It is largely put in place to prevent oppression of individuals and groups - even minorities.

Amongst those things are Freedom of Thought and Freedom of Opinion. To prosecute someone for having thoughts about child sex violates these rights.

Article #9 states "No one shall be subjected to arbitrary arrest, detention or exile."

That said, the rights of one individual will at times conflict with those of another. [Example: Freedom of Speech (threats) vs Freedom from Fear (to not feel threatenned).]

So what justification does the law have to prosecute, punish or even execute individuals? What makes a reason arbitrary and what makes it justifiable?

Do not dismiss the crimes: murder, rape and theft as "obvious" without thinking. They are crimes because such acts cause significant, proven harm to victims.

If you had read through the walls of text, you would've read the above.

[KrayZ33]

Text agrees with what I just said...? What are you getting at?

If he himself says and understands
Freedom from Fear (to not feel threatenned).] he might as well not say

Am I saying Hitler had the right to want racial purity like pedos have the right to lust for children? .... They also have to right to vocalise this. shortly after, right?

[shinta|hikari]

It was written (a few posts before your quote) by the same person you quoted.

My point is you shouldn't quote stuff without understanding the context.

[KrayZ33]

It's not out of context, he himself ignored the rule he pointed out earlier with that sentence.

[shinta|hikari]

He wrote that sentence while acknowleding that rule. He was simplifying in the instance you quoted to make it easier to understand the basic concept. You can ask him directly if you doubt me.

How can you even have an opinion on what he meant if you haven't read the walls of text?

[KrayZ33]

He said it's *their* (which includes Hitler's thoughts on blood purity) right to vocalise it, but it's not... this is not about opinions or anything. I just disagree with the example given by him.

It's a threat to public order, and thus doesn't simply fall under freedom of expression

[shinta|hikari]

Are you sure it's not their right? As long as it does not fall into hate speech or obscenity, I think you can't get arrested for saying "I think children are sexy." or "I wish there were only white people around."

People would judge the hell out of you, though.

[KrayZ33]

For that alone? (Probably) No, but you could get a fine if there are witnesses.
If it's more than just that, it might fall under hate speech/racism.. which will get you up to 5 years in Germany

However, when he puts "pedos", as a group, together with Hitler, then I assume a movement/political group. And that is a more "serious" matter. Take the dutch group "Martijn" for example.

[shinta|hikari]

What I'm saying (from the very beginning) is that you're reading too much into it. The examples were very borderline, but they were like that for a reason. By choosing the "worst" examples, the value of the Freedom is better validated. The examples weren't meant to promote either example.

[Edort4]

it might fall under hate speech/racism.. which will get you up to 5 years in Germany.

Holy shit I thought things were going badly here but it seems that we are only getting the "best" from our UE partners and catching up to date. People are being prosecuted on Twitter for even the stupidest of things under the obscure (and totally dictatorial) figure of hate crimes.

In the case of Germany with the jews and hate crimes is clear overcompensation from a physcological point of view but lately that figure of "hate crimes" is so wide that even keeping silence, and sometimes plausible deniability, fall into that category if prosecutors (in compliance with judges and politicians) want it to. And we dont talk about some fine or lesser offenses. As you said you can go to jail for 5 years (more than 50% of rape sentences or 100% of white collar crimes) under that "misty" definition of "hate crime" or "incitement to hate".

Its getting pretty scary all this bullshit. People fear that incitement to hate could create some new kinds of dictatorships or nazi movements that could take our freedoms away. Man they are already here. They are called socialdemocrat crony-capitalistic states. People reads Orwell under the fear that it may become true. They are already here for godsake.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thought_Police

[Buffalobiian]

@Krayz33: as Shinta says, you can vocalise without threatenning, which is what I'm getting at. Someone can tell me that they hate me and want me removed without myself feeling physically threatened.

[Buffalobiian]

Average Faces of Korean Chinese and Japanese Celebrities

http://i.imgur.com/NeA72KI.jpg

A computer in Korea averaged the faces of all the famous celebrities in each country to show the most 'ideal' face.

In Korea, the female celebrity is pale in complexion, innocent looking and looks like she has a cold personality. The Chinese celebrity has well defined features and an alluring look whereas the Japanese celebrity has a cute, feminine and soft look.


The Korean male looks like an average good looking man, whereas the Chinese celebrity has well defined features and is very handsome and striking. The Japanese male looks very masculine and 'macho'. - Korean Herald

For all the "comparisons" out there, this one seems pretty accurate (the images, not necessarily the verbal descriptions).

Who knows if this is actually true, but even if it is it shows celebrities only anyway (the people we want to see on screen), not population average in any way.. so it still doesn't answer the real question people tend to ask (can you tell from just looking?)

[Edort4]

http://sebpearce.com/bullshit/

This one is amazing. I could swear I have read some of those in forums and magazines. The future is in ctrl+c/ctrl+v.

[MFauli]

I love Trump so much

http://i.imgur.com/ZVZS9aj.gif

[Edort4]

http://www.mirror.co.uk/tech/nintendo-urged-fire-woman-centre-7464276

I was wondering what ppl would think about this, and the essay that caused the outrage, here seen how we have some ecchi and hentai lovers. Not judging at all.

Talking with a judge/lawyer friend he admited that if he had to tell the truth having images shouldnt be a crime by itself (it would need more emphasys on how the material got obtained) even though he would hate to judge in that way and let someone owning that kind of content free.

He said that it would become a case of public judging. That law would fail itself to satisfy the public opinion.

[shinta|hikari]

I have not read the actual essay, but it matters little because my opinion on the matter has long since been established.

My stance is generally possession of 2D should be legal, while real children porn should be illegal, only because those who produce it tend to make money off those who obtain those materials, creating demand. That said, I think the penalty for mere possession should be much lighter than actual production, something like a fine (definitely not jail time or openly labeling them as deviants to be burned at the social media stake). The idea is to discourage people from supporting that industry, but let's face it. Illegal or not, people who WILL venture out and risk themselves to get this content WILL get this content.

[Buffalobiian]

He said that it would become a case of public judging. That law would fail itself to satisfy the public opinion.

What does that last sentence mean?

The argument always boils down to "We don't have good evidence that owning pictures causes harm, but better safe than sorry and no one wants to change the status quo just for the sake of principle."

Getting fired for publishing a paper like that is stupid, but companies would do it anyway if they fear she'll eat away at their profits and image. Again - fuck principles.

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On a similar note, I've recently learned that there are laws in place to prosecute people who venture abroad to engage in child sexual tourism, even if they don't break any local laws in doing so. That's overstepping some grounds in my book. Then again, there's such things as "crimes against humanity" by the international community. I'm not sure where I stand amongst all this. It'll depend on the technicalities and the framework that international organisations use to judge people.

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edit: oh, and there was this clip floating around a few weeks back:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KldFGgUTqKA

I don't know what all the other deleted responses were, but I got tired of the arguments here. Just call the cops and get it over with - like how you deal with any other activity you think is illegal. No harm's being done such that you can't wait 10 minutes for their arrival.

[shinta|hikari]

For the record, since it was so obvious I did not mention it in my previous post, I definitely don't think anyone should get fired for publishing a paper.

Interesting thing about that video is, that child looked like she was sad as hell. I wonder how the people would react if she was all happy and actively answered them that she wanted to get married.

I asked a similar question in the Gate thread, but it seems that laws do exist to prosecute people who do illegal things in their home country in a country where it is legal. I'm not sure how I feel about that. I actually do believe some laws are draconian and need to be changed, so I can't support letting people abuse laws in foreign countries. I look at it less from a legal technicality standpoint but from an overall utilitarian perspective.

[Edort4]

What does that last sentence mean?

Im not a lawyer so I cant say I understood what he meant correctly. I think that what he was trying to say is that lawmakers gave up to public opinion in this matter making it illegal to have such content no matter what.

So to say: you have it you are guilty, no extenuating factors. From what he tried to explain thats not how justice (law) is suppossed to act in its spirit. Penal code and jail are the last option and something so "vague" has just having material isnt supposed to be meet with the last option right off the bat.

Actually the last law modification left it completely open here to be guilty of having that kind of pictures even if its drawings, if they are realistic. This opened a door for 2D and 3D art to be crime. So far no1 has crossed that door but it seems the foudantions were planted and he was quite pissed about it.

I liked Shinta's stand. Resonates quite a lot with me. But this kind of matter really makes me tilt. I get contradictory feelings and ideas.

[Buffalobiian]

I actually do believe some laws are draconian and need to be changed, so I can't support letting people abuse laws in foreign countries.

Wait, that doesn't make sense. I can think of two things:

1) You made a typo and meant "I actually do believe some laws are draconian and need to be changed, but I can't support letting people abuse laws in foreign countries."

or

2) You did not make a typo. You do mean that some laws are draconian, but instead of jumping internationally to circumvent such laws, citizens should make more effort in changing their home laws to make them right.

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I think you actually meant 1).

If you really do mean 1), what about seeking euthanasia in foreign countries that have legalised it?

[shinta|hikari]

I was going for a more causal relationship. The reason why I can't support people abusing laws in other countries is because I believe those laws are draconian and need to be changed. Otherwise, when in Rome.

I do not think legal euthanasia is draconian at all. It really depends on the law.

[Buffalobiian]

But we're talking about people abusing the lack of laws in other countries - abusing the less draconian law.

eg: Legal age in Country A where I live is 18yrs. Legal age in Country B is 13, let's have some fun in B.

In my example, Euthanasia being illegal is the draconian law. Legalised euthanasia is the free one.

[shinta|hikari]

I meant the law that allows for something to happen, like child prostitution or abuse, is primitive. I think making laws to prevent those kinds of things make sense.

Legal age of 13 sounds fine and all, but without the proper laws to protect those hebes from abuse, like getting bought from their parents by some guy without their consent, it's a primitive law.

If a country allowed murder, I certainly wouldn't support people going there to kill innocent bystanders for fun. I'd agree to a foreign or international law to prevent that.

My general stand is it's not black and white. It will depend on the context and the specific law in question before I make a decision whether I think foreign interference is justified.

EDIT: It seems I used the term draconian incorrectly. I thought it meant primitive/obsolete. That's what I meant.

[Edort4]

http://youtu.be/zkv-_LqTeQA

I had a laugh but I fear the day Skynet wakes up.

[Buffalobiian]

The way he got up..0_o

That reminds me, there's supposed to be a robot war between something-Heavy-Industries and an American company.

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I recently discovered https://www.xiph.org/video/ , the 2nd video explaining in 30 minutes much of the shit I've been trying to figure out about digital audio through white papers for days in the past.

[Death BOO Z]

Something that might relate to the case of prosecuting people for 'not crimes where they did it' is the anti-bribery laws.
from what I understand, it is legal for an american corporation to 'bribe', even in countries where there is no law against it (and when there is a norm to id), and even if a local contractor \ delgate is the one who paid the bribe, the mother company is still at fault.

[shinta|hikari]

I have no idea what you just said.

[Buffalobiian]

from what I understand, it is Illegal for an american corporation to 'bribe',

I think that's corrected now.

[Killa-Eyez]

Hory sheit!

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