Code Geass: Lelouch of the Rebellion R2 [Archive] - Page 6

DDBen

Wed, 08-13-2008, 04:35 PM

The empire is more than just the emperor and Schneizel, though. But I guess such a thing could be skipped for more important things. And in the end it might be more interesting whether Suzaku can live on with yet another sin weighing down on his soul. After all, if he really had wanted to avoid using the weapon, he wouldn't have carried it with him, so he can't really blame anyone else this time for what happened. The next eps are going to be hard for both Suzaku and Lelouch.

Um this is just wrong in this case. Suzaku is one of the Knights of the round and as such only the Emperor can actually punish him. So in this case no one else can bring up any such charges against Suzaku and it really is only about the Emperors and Schneizels opinion of the matter.

Edit: This is to address a negative rep by someone obviously to stupid to have a actual discussion around here.

Wednesday 08-13-2008 05:40 PM
You say that as if public opinion doesn't matter to Suzaku, which it always has.

Um what? Public opinion has mattered to Suzaku when exactly? Last I knew he was willing to do just about anything in order to secure his goals of reaching the position of Knight of One in order to take over running Japan for himself. Who's public opinion is anyone talking about here anyway?

Considering at this point Suzaku has dicked over the Japanese so many times they all already hate him I can't imagine it has anything to do with them. He's respected by other countries as a military force but last I knew he was killing virtually defenseless members of the EU in his spare time so it also can't be them.

So who are we talking about here Britannia? The only person he's attempting to impress among them is Charles in order to get a promotion. He will blame Lelouch for making him press the button because of the Geass and in turn he will take none of the blame for himself and carry on as always.

Of course he MAY somehow figure out he's a complete jackass and there is a chance he will join the Black Knights at some point considering Gurren and Lancelot are fighting side by side in the new opening but this is unlikely to be the reason for him doing that.

KrayZ33

Thu, 08-14-2008, 07:29 AM

Um what? Public opinion has mattered to Suzaku when exactly? Last I knew he was willing to do just about anything in order to secure his goals of reaching the position of Knight of One in order to take over running Japan for himself. Who's public opinion is anyone talking about here anyway?

It would be weird if Suzaku doesn't care about the public opinion because that is exactly what he wants to change. He wants to change the opinions of other people and tell them that numbers are also humans and not worse than the people of Britannia.. and he does that by showing himself to others..

And if he doesn't care about the public opinion, he wouldn't hold his little secret.

Yukimura

Thu, 08-14-2008, 10:36 AM

I don't think that Suzaku completely ignores public opinion however he doesn't value any opinion unless it either agrees with or facilitates the expression of his own opinion. He's steeled himself to the idea that his way is the right way and anyone who disagrees with him is wrong and thus not worth listening to (including the Japanese people he seeks to govern). I don't think he hates the people who disagree with him since he claims to want to fight for them, but at the same time he doesn't seem to care about what they want or about the suffering he inflicts on them enough to alter his behavior. It's fitting that he recoiled at being compared to Lelouch because while they are in fact very similar, I think Suzaku is the worst of the two. Lelouch at least, doesn't hide behind external ideas like 'duty' or 'the rules' in order to soothe his conscious about the pain he inflicts on others.

Another big problem with Suzaku is that his goal seems at odds with his manner of trying to achieve it. He says he wants to make Britannians not look down on the Japanese as inferior, but to accomplish this goal he goes out in his Britannian God Mech and tries his best to obliterate all the Japanese people who might actually be worthy of being seen as equals by the Britannians. No one strong respects people who do nothing but cower in the face of the people stronger than themselves.

And even if that wasn't the case, Suzaku is a perfect example of a Japanese guy getting lucky within the Britannian system. He's proof that the Britannian system works just fine the way it is as he, an exceptional Eleven, managed to get to an exceptional position, within the system. Why would any Britannians want to change the system if it's been shown that it can wring a decent individual out of Japan the way it is.

Xrlderek

Fri, 08-15-2008, 02:13 PM

Just caught up with the series. I wasn't very interested from episode 5-10 but what's happening now is very interesting. I didn't think Suzaku would fire it, but I did think it would be detonated. I definitely didn't expect Nunnally to die though(if she is dead). Seeing as Lelouch broke down when he didn't need to protect her, I wonder if he'll do the same now, or if he will switch his focus to revenge instead.

Xrlderek

Sun, 08-17-2008, 11:03 AM

Code Geass R2 Episode 19 - gg (http://ggkthx.org/Torrents/%5Bgg%5D_Code_Geass_R2_-_19_%5B1FF68A17%5D.mkv.torrent)

RyougaZell

Sun, 08-17-2008, 12:51 PM

Wow... I just had to see the episode twice...

Covenient that the OBK learn of the massacre, yet they fail to learn about WHO was massacred... Geass Users and Geass Scientists...

Anya looked uncomfortable of having FLEIJA with her.

Suzaku finally lost it...

And I do wonder what Kallen will do know... she of all remaining OBK knows Lelouch the best... and even though she seemed to haver her heart broken when Lelouch said she was a pawn... she definitely listened his words of 'Live on' and knew he lied to protect her...

Will Schneizel really give up Japan to Ogi and the rest? What will Xingke do? This deal definitely does not include China nor the rest of the World... they did not betray just Lelouch... but the rest of the World...

And wow... I never expected Rolo to die like that... makes it harder to hate him now...

Ryllharu

Sun, 08-17-2008, 01:07 PM

Nah, I was smiling when they started up the background music, because I knew that Rolo would finally die. Still, I can't decide whether it was noble or naive of Rolo to believe that Lelouch hadn't meant all the things he said in his grief over Nunnally.

While none of it was actually false (though I do not remember the second Japanese general being Geassed, just the first who committed seppuku in the tower) Schneizel, Cornelia and the rat bastard Canon came up with one hell of a way to spin the whole thing against Zero. Several of the Black Knights that Zero might have geassed were some of the most mundane things. Viletta still doesn't seem to be making the connection that Zero didn't geass her into her relationship with Ogi, that was all her. That's part of the double-edged sword nature of geass, can't prove that you didn't tell them to do something.

At least Nina finally got a little of what's coming to her. Now she's just as bad as Zero and more importantly, she knows it.

I'm less concerned about Kallen, and more about who is going to be taking care of C.C. I was a little surprised they left her behind. I suppose Kallen is the only one equipped to do so, since she's the Black Knight who became the closest to the old version, and moreover the only one who knows that C.C. is no longer the person she once was.

Suzaku's laugh at the end was really creepy...

I was hoping that Anya would catch sight of Zero and realize he was definitely the same Lelouch, but she never did. Maybe she will when knowledge of who Zero was becomes public.

This series is reminding me more and more of King Lear, but with Lelouch somehow playing both Lear and Edgar, depending on how you view each plot twist.

KrayZ33

Sun, 08-17-2008, 02:28 PM

this episode is sooooooooooo good
and it will get even better.... oh man.. this is made of pure win!
they even managed to make suzaku look cool and like a maniac in this ep... and rolo less of a fanatic nuisance...

really... I can't believe how awesome this is... I had *never* expected such a drastic change.
I hope Lelouch doesn't die in the end of this series... I want CC and him to live on happily ^^

Kraco

Sun, 08-17-2008, 02:33 PM

Still, I can't decide whether it was noble or naive of Rolo to believe that Lelouch hadn't meant all the things he said in his grief over Nunnally.

I don't believe that's quite to the point. He had absolutely nothing else so he forced himself to believe. Moreover, I think he knew he would very likely die by attempting to save Lelouch from all those forces. That's also why Lelouch behaved like he did when Rolo finally died. This way Rolo could keep on believe in what had made his life worth living (or human like he said) until he died. If he had done nothing his fate most likely would have been much more miserable: No Lelouch pretending to be his brother and not even Britannia using him as a tool. He never was psychologically a very sound person so he would have probably died in some gutter anyway soon after if there had been nobody to take care of him.

I wonder if the wars are starting to be over now. Judging by Lelouch's new interests it should get much more personal towards the end.

KrayZ33

Sun, 08-17-2008, 02:45 PM

I wonder if the wars are starting to be over now. Judging by Lelouch's new interests it should get much more personal towards the end.

they traded Japan for Zero's life... if Schneizel didn't agree with that condition, then they wouldn't look for him now...so I guess the war is over.. at least for the Black Knights

and Ogi must be somehow stupid...basically they didn't just betray Lelouch, but the whole Chinese Federation + their allies with this decision.. just for a actually pretty stupid and selfish wish... even if Japan gets liberated, Britannia could just show up again and take it again, who will hinder them? they are most likely the only world power left... that is if the Chinese Federation loses the war...

Ah...the Chinese Federation... lets see what they think about the decision of the Black Knights...

btw: I wish i would be able to watch the episodes which are left all at once... but I think I can't hold out long enough without my weekly Code Geass and CC dose,

Ryllharu

Sun, 08-17-2008, 03:07 PM

This whole debacle will probably hit Kaguya the hardest. She's one of the leaders of the "United States" and the core of her military force just sided with the enemy to get back the only thing they cared about. It's a huge win for Schneizel, and Kaguya is left hanging. She can't accept the Japanese forces gaining Japan back because she'd be betraying the Chinese Federation and the rest of the countries. They'll also take the backbone of the military forces with them, crippling her negotiating position.

I loved the peotic side of the episode title. The Black Knights are "betrayed" by Zero, while the Japanese side (led by the Ogi and Todo) betrays the "United States," and even Nina realizing she betrayed Euphemia's ideals.

darkmetal505

Sun, 08-17-2008, 05:46 PM

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Eclipse - Episode 19 Xvid (http://torrents.no-sekai.de/eclipse/%5bEclipse%5d%20Code%20Geass%20-%20Lelouch%20of%20the%20Rebellion%20R2%20-%2019%20(XviD)%20%5b848ECD65%5d.avi.torrent)

Inazuma

Sun, 08-17-2008, 05:58 PM

Its breaking my " Fucking-O-Great O Meter" but now, it's just about Dad vs. "The Nothing to lose Lelouch"

Everon

Sun, 08-17-2008, 06:07 PM

Yeesh, the black knights are easily manipulated by everyone.

TheBladeChild

Sun, 08-17-2008, 07:52 PM

Feel kinda sad for Lelouch, he is truly alone now. No C.C., no Kallen, and even no Rolo.

darkmetal505

Sun, 08-17-2008, 08:43 PM

So what's going to happen to C.C? She'll be too afraid to talk to anyone but Lelouch.

Carnage

Sun, 08-17-2008, 08:57 PM

An actually decent episode for once. Could have done without the shitty music at the end. Finally Rolo is dead.Now just a couple more episodes until the death of everyo- I mean, the end of the series.

Darknodin

Sun, 08-17-2008, 10:12 PM

You guys realize that the real life equivalent of this is George Bush, or an american general, going to the Iranian military and saying :"You leader is lying to you! here are our proofs" and that it would change absolutely NOTHING in the short to medium term. Hell, who the hells accepts that they've been manipulated for so long in such a short amount of time? Diethart and Todo are the only ones who made any sense (Todo because he was hearing what he wanted to hear). The only way such a plan could work is by sowing dissension among the knights. it would have been slow but people would have had their doubts on zero, then he might have done something weird, or Todo would have convinced them over time.

That aside, the episode was pretty cool. It set up what is to come. Now that Lelouch has truly lost his one weakness, he should be truly formidable!

oyabun

Mon, 08-18-2008, 12:33 AM

I just hope Kallen would protect CC from the rest. She's the only one that knows CC lost her memories. I don't want to see the slave CC going back to the emperor..

kenren

Mon, 08-18-2008, 01:29 AM

Good episode as expected.
After all the bitching Nina did about using FLEIA and now she regrets it. I hate her lol.
Hopefully C.C. gets to Lelouch safely :).

Buffalobiian

Mon, 08-18-2008, 01:34 AM

There were many things in R2 that I found were parallels with R1, and Rolo's death is one of them. I found his one to be a lot more comparible to Euphy's death than Shirley's. Both characters died believing in a lie, complete with dark eye-shadow. Many people disliked them, but still found their deaths touching.

Like above, Lelouch has lost any objective reason to fight now, and I expect to see him off the World-Stage for a while, until Charle's plan is known by the world. Again, I see him dying dragging his father with him, saving the world simply as a side effect. C.C. narrating the ending would be fitting, though if she doesn't recover her memory, Suzaku will the next most likely.

I honestly didn't expect Nina to take it so calmly. Her psychosis was short lived, and it was somehow a little unsatisfying to see her regret her deeds rather than being tormented by it.

shinta|hikari

Mon, 08-18-2008, 09:08 AM

The Black Knights were despicably stupid in this episode, but then again, that was their prime function since the beginning of this show.

I hated Kallen for doubting Lelouch even for a moment when he told the most obvious lie ever in code geass history (with the Rollo one as a close second).

I am still hoping for a bittersweet ending. If it ends in tragedy, it would be too sad and pointless. If Lelouch dies in the end, then all the show was about is his struggle, defeat, suffering, then finally death with nothing accomplished.

I think C.C. has to regain her memories. She has had too little screen time for R2, and that does not make sense since she is one of the most popular female characters in anime fandom at present. With her being a liability like this, screen time possibilities for her are severely hampered.

MFauli

Mon, 08-18-2008, 09:23 AM

All i have to say:

WHAT AN ASSHOLE ARE YOU; OUGI!

Sigh, this guy was a little wanna-be-terrorist, and wouldnt have achieved anything at all without Zero´s help. And now he´s acting all that highly....i cant sigh enough.

Also, everyone abandoning Zero is just stupid. So what, he´s a Britannian...so what, he has Geass.....still, he did anything to free Area 11. What a bunch of idiots. And there CANT even be forgiveness, because if it wasnt for Rolo, all the others, be it Karen, Ougi, Todou, and so on, would have let Lelouch killed. Basically, they murdered him.

Now that Nunnally is dead (and i hope she´s really dead), there are like 2 options to go, and i hope it´s not the "now all i can do is take down my father"-option, but the "everyone betrayed me. if they want to take ME down, then i´ll try everything to take down the whole world!"-crazy-option.

Kraco

Mon, 08-18-2008, 09:45 AM

Now that Nunnally is dead (and i hope she´s really dead), there are like 2 options to go, and i hope it´s not the "now all i can do is take down my father"-option, but the "everyone betrayed me. if they want to take ME down, then i´ll try everything to take down the whole world!"-crazy-option.

I rather hope it would be the first choice. If it's the latter, then basically the Black Knights were right to try to remove such a loose cannon. Despite some dirty deeds Lelouch was fighting for a better world for Nunnally to live in. A world where might does not make right. So, he would betray himself if he now started a war against the whole world simply because he lost the trust of his former allies.

What comes to the BK their reaction surely was vastly over the top but on the other hand if you keep in mind they were originally people fighting against everything British in Japan and had experienced many times first hand the dirty plots and atrocities of the British rulers in Area 11 so it does make sense they would feel deeply betrayed by having been serving a British prince all this time. Plus they were stupid enough to listen to another British prince, which makes their reaction a bit more believable as well. Tools to the core.

C.C.'s position now is indeed troublesome. She must have some role still to play or having kept her hanging around like this would make absolutely no sense. Who knows, maybe Lelouch will now go down fast hunting his father and at some crucial point C.C. will save him with words and intentions reflecting those of Lelouch's own when he made C.C. decide to keep living during the encounter with Charles.

Carnage

Mon, 08-18-2008, 10:40 AM

http://img146.imageshack.us/img146/6977/1218743897916go8.th.jpg (http://img146.imageshack.us/my.php?image=1218743897916go8.jpg)

you all know you want it to happen.

MFauli

Mon, 08-18-2008, 10:59 AM

I rather hope it would be the first choice. If it's the latter, then basically the Black Knights were right to try to remove such a loose cannon. Despite some dirty deeds Lelouch was fighting for a better world for Nunnally to live in. A world where might does not make right. So, he would betray himself if he now started a war against the whole world simply because he lost the trust of his former allies.

Well, the first choice would be typical thing to do.
I guess you liked the ending of Death Note, too, eh? :P

RyougaZell

Mon, 08-18-2008, 11:47 AM

Something I did not get the chance to discuss last episode (obvious reasons) is how come Anya reacted to Lelouch this time? Hope this will be covered next episode.

Kallen's heart broke when Lelouch said those words, and she immediately regretted doubting him when she heard his words to 'live on'.

Lelouch only has CC and Kallen left... yet both are with the OBK... I expect them to leave them... specially when the implication of the OBK's betrayal against the United Nations gets known.

Narasho

Mon, 08-18-2008, 01:02 PM

I like how they all believed Schneizel's half-truths and were so set on not trusting Zero as they should.

Great curveball they threw at us... now there's no telling which direction the series will go in! This is the most excited I've been for a new episode of Code Geass in a while.

darkmetal505

Mon, 08-18-2008, 01:55 PM

I know, right?

All that's left to happen is for Lelouch to become a ninja and assainate his father.

enkoujin

Mon, 08-18-2008, 07:49 PM

Not sure if anyone picked up on this, but the things Lelouche says at the end of the episode for the next preview says [Eclipse translation]:

"Rolo, what exactly was my relationship with you?
I always realize things in hindsight.
You weren't the brother of Lelouch vi Britannia,
but the brother of Lelouch Lamperogue
Right?"

One can say Lelouch had a change of heart when Rolo died. When Lelouch left Britannia, he threw away his title and started living in Japan as Lelouch Lamperogue, an alias everyone there had known him for. The life he treasures more between his three identities was that of Lelouch Lamperogue. So if Lelouch were to consider Rolo a brother of as a Lamperogue, he would have treasured Rolo just as much as Nunally. It's all thanks to Rolo that Lelouch is able to carry on his goal with the utmost highest priority right now - to take revenge on Charles. In comparison between Nunally and Rolo, one can say that Lelouch was creating a new world for Nunally, but now that she's dead, Lelouch is destroying the current one for Rolo - just as said before in season one (where he said he'll destroy the world and recreate it again). There's also the fact that Rolo has actually had less interaction time with Lelouch, but unlike Lelouch's top-staff, Rolo stuck with him until the end.

I don't see why some people tend to speculate that Shirley's death was much more sympathetic than Rolo's, as he had a very pitiful life in the story - he had no real family, he was raised in the Geass cult, and was born to be an assassin, all the while with his conscience and psychological condition deteriorating. Shirley, shown to be that of a passive citizen caught between the personal lives of Lelouch and Suzaku actually lived a fairly normal life, but died because she got too close to Lelouch - even though she knew he was Zero.

Also, did anyone notice this?

09:46: "Lelouch vi Britannia, the man that I most loved and feared the most".

That just shows how much of a badass Lelouch was when he was little.

My predictions on the next episode (although it will be way-off) will be that Zero's identity is revealed and that the media Diethardt will reveal that Zero has died, Gino will take opposition against Britannia when he finds out more about the FLEIA warhead being used, Anya will realize that Zero is actually Lelouch and defects from Britannia, meaning both Gino and Anya will join Lelouch. Jeremiah will be forced to un-Geass people they suspect to be Geass'd, and that Charles is going to "destroy the Gods" by opening the elevator, and Suzaku will be promoted, but then quits to work with Lelouch.

Oh, and then Anya is revealed to be Lelouch's half-sister in which Marianne cheats with Charles (hence, the "everyone's a liar, brother" quote) with a German guy, so she is punished by Charles by being geass'd.

Ryllharu

Mon, 08-18-2008, 08:25 PM

Predictions! I'll play along with a rebuttal/agreement of my own.

My predictions on the next episode (although it will be way-off) will be that Zero's identity is revealed and that the media Diethardt will reveal that Zero has died, While we can all see Diethard saying Zero died, I think the only people that are going to find out about his identity are member of the Black Knights who were not present for the assassination attempt or the conference with Schniezel/Cordelia and the rest of the high ranking Britannian military (including Anya).

Gino will take opposition against Britannia when he finds out more about the FLEIA warhead being used, Somehow, I'm thinking the scene with Gino has more to do with his conversations with Kallen and the military attempting to purge any dissidents and those who have had contact with Lelouch, as Gino has at school. Much like the Purists' attempts to kill Jeremiah after Zero called him "Orange." Here, they would not be able to be sure of anyone who has had contact with Zero, and since Gino joined the student council, he's at a much higher risk.

Anya will realize that Zero is actually Lelouch and defects from Britannia, meaning both Gino and Anya will join Lelouch. Jeremiah will be forced to un-Geass people they suspect to be Geass'd, and that Charles is going to "destroy the Gods" by opening the elevator, and Suzaku will be promoted, but then quits to work with Lelouch.I'll address Anya below, but I don't see anything like that happening with Suzaku. "Charuru" might reveal his plan soon though. Orange-kun might use it on Cornelia and maybe Viletta and the others who are sure they have been Geassed, but his loyalty has apparently always been the royal family, particularlly Marianne's branch of the family. He might side with Cornelia, who also had great respect for her, but it's more likely that Orange-kun would seek out Lelouch.

Oh, and then Anya is revealed to be Lelouch's half-sister in which Marianne cheats with Charles (hence, the "everyone's a liar, brother" quote) with a German guy, so she is punished by Charles by being geass'd.
While being another of his sister's is possible, though one would think Lelouch would notice Marianne being pregnant around the same time as Nunnally (as Anya wears a middle school uniform)....unless they are twins. Anya's hair is pink, but it seems like the same fluffy style Nunnally's is. Or maybe they are only fraternal twins. As with your "half-sister" guess, that might explain the odd connection Anya seems to have to young-prince Lelouch. That's my wild guess about Anya. She's probably totally adopted. That said, I don't think she will join Lelouch right away, but a large chunk of the mystery around her had better be revealed soon.

EDIT:
Oh, and Kallen will become C.C.'s "first friend" and when C.C. says that to her, Kallen will blush.

Inazuma

Mon, 08-18-2008, 08:48 PM

Okay, that's it for the future reading, now I need you guys for some clarification.

When Rolo takes Lelouch away he uses the Shinkirou to shoot at the OBK mothership and it blows up, but inside that mothership is both Kallen and CC.

Thoughs ?

TheBladeChild

Mon, 08-18-2008, 09:26 PM

Im still hoping for a season 3, theres still a lot of back story they havent talked about yet, but then again they can always take care of that in OVAs -.-

xtallography

Mon, 08-18-2008, 09:26 PM

It's a different ship than the OBK mothership.

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y134/jhabel/vlcsnap-10865837.png

Assuming you are talking about the ship that explodes just before Rollo dies.

animus

Mon, 08-18-2008, 09:32 PM

Cornelia noooo

Buffalobiian

Tue, 08-19-2008, 02:46 AM

Cornelia noooo

Cornelia better not go back to the royal look. Fantasies would be ruined.

Idealistic

Tue, 08-19-2008, 05:40 AM

Wtf did Nina think FLEIA would do? Explode with a bunch of confetti?

Kraco

Tue, 08-19-2008, 06:33 AM

I believe her masterful idea was that all the Black Knights would group together above ocean well away from the city and kindly wait there to be annihilated with FLEIA.

Buffalobiian

Tue, 08-19-2008, 06:49 AM

She was blinded by over excitement and vengeance when her test succeeded and forced Suzaku to carry this "ultimate weapon". Meanwhile, Suzaku only carried it with him as a negotiation tool and never intended to use it.

It's Japanese's way of showing how wrong using a nuke is. Nina is representative of the ones responsible for creating it, while directing us all to think "Yeah, should have thought of that before you built the bomb."

Inazuma

Tue, 08-19-2008, 07:57 AM

It's a different ship than the OBK mothership.

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y134/jhabel/vlcsnap-10865837.png

Assuming you are talking about the ship that explodes just before Rollo dies.

My bad, thought it was the OBK Flagship.

RyougaZell

Tue, 08-19-2008, 09:10 AM

Guys... despite GG's rant of bad romanization of 'Freya' as 'FLEIA' they got it wrong as well.Rewatch episode 18... its clearly FLEIJA.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v241/RyougaZell/snapshot20080819091018.jpg

Anyway... I won't make predictions because I found some spoilers that... if true... would make the series even more awesome, and instead of speculating I prefer to wait if they are true in several episodes.

Buffalobiian

Tue, 08-19-2008, 09:19 AM

Yukimura

Tue, 08-19-2008, 10:13 AM

If it's really supposed to be FLEIJA then the expansion of the acronym right under it is missing the J term. From what I can make out and recall it stands for Field Limitary Effective Implosion Armament. I see no J in this.

I would guess that they wanted to use the Norse mythology surrounding Freya so they had to create an acronym for it, but since Japanese people suck at European languages the best they could do was FLEIA.

I found some interesting info about the process of the FLEIA detonation.

1. Sakuradite Explosion
2. Nuclear Fission
3. Folkvangr Field Creation
4. Sessrumnir Sphere Expansion
5. Sessrumnir Sphere Reduction and Vanished (Space Transfer)

Folkvangr (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/F%C3%B3lkvangr) - Wiki
This was the name of the land where Freya's house was

Sessrúmnir (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sessr%C3%BAmnir) - Wiki
This was the name of Freya's house. Apparently this is where civilians who die in battle (Do we know any of those?) go.

With all Charles's talk about the world of the Gods I would not at all be surprised if Nunnally, Sayako, and the rest were not actually be dead instead got transported to some kind of magical holding cell (probably on Jupiter). Their bodies may have been physically destroyed, but I can certainly see Lelouch getting to have one last convo with Nunally or maybe even his Mom thorough some sort of magical hax medium loosely drawn from mythology. Only time will tell.

RyougaZell

Tue, 08-19-2008, 11:11 AM

If it's really supposed to be FLEIJA then the expansion of the acronym right under it is missing the J term. From what I can make out and recall it stands for Field Limitary Effective Implosion Armament. I see no J in this.

.

Well... I dunno about the translation... but the screenshot from episode 18 shows the J... error on part of the animation studio then?

KrayZ33

Tue, 08-19-2008, 12:50 PM

Shinji Ikari

Wed, 08-20-2008, 07:34 AM

Field Limitary Effective Implosion Armament is what stands directly beneath "F.L.E.I.J.A"

the J doesn't mean a think, my guess is that they wanted it to sound more like "Freyja" because thats what that goddess was called back then...

Actually the Nordic goddess was called Freja, but who cares, right? Odin is Oden, Thor is Tor... Could everyone who thinks they know something about nordic mythology stop with their halfassed info?

David75

Wed, 08-20-2008, 08:41 AM

Caught up with the eps.
As usual, the developments were quite unexpected.

Fun question: would Nina's bomb be able to kill a Geass Witch? After all, everything just "dissapears" into void. Or so it seems. So I was just wondering.

Regarding future developments, seeing Lelouch at the lowest of his strenght, I guess we can think he will find a way of gaining momentum again. We'll see.

I noted that phrase by Schneizel too... So Schneizel always was stronger than Lelouch but still fears him. Interresting. I guess Lelouch is a very important key to Charles plot....

KrayZ33

Wed, 08-20-2008, 09:42 AM

Actually the Nordic goddess was called Freja, but who cares, right? Odin is Oden, Thor is Tor... Could everyone who thinks they know something about nordic mythology stop with their halfassed info?

ya and you should stop first because she wasn't called freja

she is/was also called Freya or Freyja...Freja is just 1 of like 20 forms....
go to wikipedia or other, similiar sides

Regarding future developments, seeing Lelouch at the lowest of his strenght, I guess we can think he will find a way of gaining momentum again. We'll see.

I doubt that he'll be able to do much... at least he won't be able to build something up again, I guess he will wait for the right moment to appear and avenge his beloved ones personally

Ryllharu

Wed, 08-20-2008, 03:38 PM

Fun question: would Nina's bomb be able to kill a Geass Witch? After all, everything just "disappears" into void. Or so it seems. So I was just wondering.Same laws as Mnemosyne?

Highlight my lovely mild-spoiler poem:
[Neither bullets to the brain,
the slicing of a vein,
nor disintegration via jet plane,
will kill, despite the pain.]

We've seen some nasty flashbacks of C.C. getting abused. Unless it sends her to a different dimension, I believe our green haired witch will be alright (sooner or later).

animus

Wed, 08-20-2008, 04:53 PM

lelouch

Wed, 08-20-2008, 07:25 PM

I think deithard, ougi, todou and the rest need to remember who exactly it was that saved them from public execution in the beginning of the series. If they were merely "pawns", why risk his life to save merely 5 or 6 "pawns"? I find it a bit irritating how unstable the OBK is that they would make their decision so quickly after speaking with the enemy.

Deithard isn't exactly japanese either. Who cares if Lelouch has a geass? He didn't geass everyone into hating Britannia, everyone always has, and the BK's goal is to eliminate britannia, which lelouch has been doing excellently. If I was lelouch and I got ahold of the OBK again, I would have everyone in that conference room be put in the front lines without weapons. If there were any survivors, I would have them violently raped up the butt.

Anyways, I don't think the OBK was a HUGE factor in the BK empire. We know that C.C., Kallen (who has a gundam now), xing-ke (also very powerful), and Orange-kun (who now has that super-badass-sutherland-gundam) are still loyal to Lelouch, and the only real big losses are toudou + the other two swordsmen and diethard . If those people I just mentioned managed to regroup with Lelouch, I think they would be just fine as the rest of the BK empire is probably still loyal to lelouch and views the OBK to be the real traitors. I am hoping for this to happen, as another Death Note ending would be quite unsatisfying for me.

vejita613

Wed, 08-20-2008, 07:54 PM

Buffalobiian

Wed, 08-20-2008, 10:44 PM

Anyways, I don't think the OBK was a HUGE factor in the BK empire. We know that C.C., Kallen (who has a gundam now), xing-ke (also very powerful), and Orange-kun (who now has that super-badass-sutherland-gundam) are still loyal to Lelouch, and the only real big losses are toudou + the other two swordsmen and diethard . If those people I just mentioned managed to regroup with Lelouch, I think they would be just fine as the rest of the BK empire is probably still loyal to lelouch and views the OBK to be the real traitors. I am hoping for this to happen, as another Death Note ending would be quite unsatisfying for me.

You forgot that when they established the league of nations, a condition was that everybody was to relinquish their military power, with the OBK as the sole military power for hire between them. It's likely that Xing-Ke's army is officially under the banner of the OBK.

lelouch

Wed, 08-20-2008, 11:24 PM

The OBK is no longer a "military power". They agreed to stand down in return for nihon. Zero is the rightful leader of the BK empire. Just because one section seceded does not mean the rest will follow. It wasn't the OBK who came up with the genius tactics to battle britannia, it was zero, therefor the empire has no reason to follow the OBK. They don't present any real value other than a small faction of force and knowledge of media production.

edit: I feel weird every time I write "BK empire". Makes me think of burger king...

Buffalobiian

Thu, 08-21-2008, 02:58 AM

They don't present any real value other than a small faction of force and knowledge of media production.

The OBK isn't a small military faction. What we saw in Tokyo Settlement was simply their forces which they could spare to attack it. Don't forget that they had to create a diversion in Xing Ke's command. To fool the Knight of One, they must have had to summon a massive diversion, not just an arm or leg.

Further more, the OBK is now the only martial power comparable to that of Britannia. The United Federation of Nations (the official name, I'll call it UN for short), gave up all their powers, whether by destruction or donation to the OBK when they joined, and are now useless martially. Their only power was in their unity, and when one was attacked, they would request the action of the OBK. Hence, should the OBK decide to let Britannia have it's way as long as they get Japan back, the UN is up for grabs by Britannia, and should be pretty helpless, with or without Zero.

While the core members of the OBK have turned on Zero, it doesn't mean Zero has lost full control. Remember how all the nations have given up their military? That includes the Chinese Federation. That means that the force Xing Ke commands now is actually part of the OBK. In all likelihood, they have not heard the news, and should Zero say a few words, me may still have them under his control. Xing Ke, much like Diethard, shouldn't be affected by the status of Lelouch as one of royalty, nor his special powers, or his involvement in Euphemia's incident.

In fact, the only reason Diethard turned was that he wanted to finish his masterpiece, and should he resist in a room filled with a dozen OBK, he would have been lock up.

Buffalobiian

Thu, 08-21-2008, 06:11 AM

Second OP is out!

[Nipponsei] Code Geass R2 OP2 Single - WORLD END [FLOW].zip (http://tracker.minglong.org/torrents/%5BNipponsei%5D%20Code%20Geass%20R2%20OP2%20Single %20-%20WORLD%20END%20%5BFLOW%5D.zip.torrent)

N.B: [Flow] was the same group that performed Colours (R1, OP1)

RyougaZell

Thu, 08-21-2008, 08:51 AM

Based on the preview, and Kaguya's expression besides Tianzi, we will probably see a big breakup among the OBK next episode. And I do hope (but thats just me) that the scene where Kallen approaches Ougi is to slap him and leave.

lelouch

Thu, 08-21-2008, 10:57 AM

The OBK isn't a small military faction. What we saw in Tokyo Settlement was simply their forces which they could spare to attack it. Don't forget that they had to create a diversion in Xing Ke's command. To fool the Knight of One, they must have had to summon a massive diversion, not just an arm or leg.

Chunks of the infantry could have and probably did come from other countries of the UN.

Further more, the OBK is now the only martial power comparable to that of Britannia. The United Federation of Nations (the official name, I'll call it UN for short), gave up all their powers, whether by destruction or donation to the OBK when they joined, and are now useless martially. Their only power was in their unity, and when one was attacked, they would request the action of the OBK. Hence, should the OBK decide to let Britannia have it's way as long as they get Japan back, the UN is up for grabs by Britannia, and should be pretty helpless, with or without Zero.

I think we have a mix-up. Does "OBK" stand for "Original Black Knights" as the black knight army that existed before joining with India, China, etc... ? If so, then at this point the "OBK" are quite insignificant. The bulk of the "infantry knightmares" Can come from China, India, and the rest of the UN. Japan is a very very small part of the world, and can't provide a relatively large amount of force other than gundams and generals. The only gundams that were lost were the swordsmen, and the only general lost was toudou. The UN didn't join the Black Knight Empire (BKE) for kicks and mere unity. They did it because they want Britannia taken down. The leaders of the BKE are the OBK. However, the leader of the OBK is Zero. If the OBK ceasefire in return for japan, the UN isn't just going to stand around or agree, their goal remains the same, and the person who is solely responsible for an extraordinarily large amount of success is Zero. Xing-ke could care less about japan, he wants Britannia destroyed, along with the rest of the world. Rather than the BKE/UN seeing Zero as a traitor/fraud to the OBK, they will see the OBK to be a traitor to the BKE/Zero.

Tyreal

Thu, 08-21-2008, 12:27 PM

Xing-ke could care less about japan, he wants Britannia destroyed, along with the rest of the world. Rather than the BKE/UN seeing Zero as a traitor/fraud to the OBK, they will see the OBK to be a traitor to the BKE/Zero.

Will they still think the same after learning that Zero is actually a prince of Britannia though? I wouldn't be surprised if they remove Zero from his position of power or at the very least start keeping a VERY close eye on him in the future. That is even IF he returns to the BKE/UN.

lelouch

Thu, 08-21-2008, 12:33 PM

Will they still think the same after learning that Zero is actually a prince of Britannia though? I wouldn't be surprised if they remove Zero from his position of power or at the very least start keeping a VERY close eye on him in the future. That is even IF he returns to the BKE/UN.

Please read my previous 3 posts, they go over this matter.

Buffalobiian

Thu, 08-21-2008, 09:45 PM

Chunks of the infantry could have and probably did come from other countries of the UN.

I think we have a mix-up. Does "OBK" stand for "Original Black Knights" as the black knight army that existed before joining with India, China, etc... ?

To my knowledge, the abbreviation OBK has always stood for (the) Order of the Black Knights for as long as it's been used in this thread.

If so, then at this point the "OBK" are quite insignificant. The bulk of the "infantry knightmares" Can come from China, India, and the rest of the UN. Japan is a very very small part of the world, and can't provide a relatively large amount of force other than gundams and generals. The only gundams that were lost were the swordsmen, and the only general lost was toudou. The UN didn't join the Black Knight Empire (BKE) for kicks and mere unity. They did it because they want Britannia taken down. The leaders of the BKE are the OBK. However, the leader of the OBK is Zero. If the OBK ceasefire in return for japan, the UN isn't just going to stand around or agree, their goal remains the same, and the person who is solely responsible for an extraordinarily large amount of success is Zero. Xing-ke could care less about japan, he wants Britannia destroyed, along with the rest of the world. Rather than the BKE/UN seeing Zero as a traitor/fraud to the OBK, they will see the OBK to be a traitor to the BKE/Zero.

Rather, I'm confused at your use of terms. Firstly, "gundam" shouldn't be in there at all. Both Sunrise, both mecha, but please don't use it.

Secondly, BKE. Is that your abbreviation for the military power (originally, and still is) called the Order of the Black Knights in this thread, or the colaboration of nations, which is called (in the anime) the United Federation of Nations?

One thing that should be noted is that the nations did not join the Black Knights as such. It's a unity of nations with the common goal of a world without oppression. Japan is one of such states/nations, not a superpower leader. Taking down Britannia was part of the intention, only because it opposed their views.

I've said this above, but I'll try to make it more clear this time. the Black Knights are the military power shared by all of the UN. It requires a majority vote to utilize them, and each nation has no power in itself.

The core members of the Black Knights are loyal to Japan, above all else. Should they betray and settle down with only Japan, the UN is left powerless. Note that this means Japan leaves the UN, taking away with it all military power.

I agree with you in that, on a global scale, the Black Knights will be seen as having betrayed the UN. However, even in that situation, that leaves Zero commanding half the world's nations with no forces, save Xing Ke's.

Furthermore, remember what they said about this battle being a "decisive one". Should the UN free Japan, all members would request and support the liberation of each other from the Britannian Empire. Should they fail, however, the UN's morale would crumble, and the nations surrender, or form an agreement with Britannia to save itself from unnecessary casualties.

Now that their leading force, the Black Knights, "form an agreement with Britannia", and agree to keep their award (Japan) and retreat (ie, leave the UN to Britannia), what position are the United Nations left in?

lelouch

Thu, 08-21-2008, 09:52 PM

Buffalobiian

Thu, 08-21-2008, 09:58 PM

@buffalobiian:

I understand what you are trying to say, but you are not looking at things logically. Just because a small island from the BKE decides to secede, you honestly think all of the other countries will just say "oh well, maybe next time?". As long as the mastermind behind the entire plan is still alive and well, they will continue to fight oppression regardless of whether or not japan seceded or not. Sure the Original Black Knights are the "leaders" of the entire army, and by ordering a ceasefire the rest of the army must "legally" back down as well, but then again since when have the Black Knights done things according to the way they are "supposed to"?

I understand your point of view, but you are looking too closely at the details thereby confusing yourself. Basically you are saying "because japan no longer wishes to fight, every single other country will back down from the fight against oppression just because japan said so."

What I am saying is:

"Japan ceases to fight, and takes with it the means of other countries to fight."

Japan takes away both the morale and military might from the UN when the Black Knights decided on what they did.

The UN relinquished all military power when they joined. Should the want to break and reform their armies, it would take time. It's not Britannia's motto to "make the strong wait as the weak recover".

Secondly, I've mentioned that this battle was decisive. If Japan can be liberated, Britannia can be overthrown. If the operation fails, then the UN will crumble. Not "maybe next time", but "it just can't be done". Seeing the strong fall, or betray them is very demoralising.

And what did Japan do? It betrayed the UN to save it's ass. Again, where does that leave the UN?

(btw, I just finished editing my previous post just as you posted yours)

lelouch

Thu, 08-21-2008, 10:23 PM

You are making it sound like toudou and crew are the leaders of the Black Knights. Who gives them permission to "relinquish" the black knight army as you put it. The only people who are relinquishing anything is those from japan, a very very small island, and probably not even everyone from japan. The leader of the Black Knights is Zero. It is not toudou, not diethard, nor the original crew. It is Zero and Zero only. As long as he is alive, black knight members from across the world shall follow. You are somehow getting the impersonation that toudou and the japanese are the leaders of the black knights, when in fact they are far from it.

darkmetal505

Thu, 08-21-2008, 10:43 PM

Here's a question:

Why were they trying to kill Lelouch? If I remember correctly, Schnizel asked the Diethard and the crew to hand Lelouch over to him. Since Schnizel made no attempt to stop them from shooting Lelouch, I guess he denied Oghi's offer.

This makes me think that he'll probably pick up Lelouch in order to get reasons behind the intentions of creating the OBK.

Another thing, Lelouch's Geass might evolve. I forgot the conditions of that happening though. Does it just amplify the power, or does it actually change?

shinta|hikari

Thu, 08-21-2008, 11:00 PM

Amplification is the norm, but amplification is in itself change. It will still be an absolute obedience geass, but maybe the minor rules will be altered, such as range, effectiveness, and re-usability.

I was thinking the same thing. Schneizel clearly said that he wanted Zero to be "handed over to him", not filled with holes. I think Schneizel declined the offer to return Japan, and the Japanese idiots simply decided to kill Zero and continue their fight on their own.

Buffalobiian

Thu, 08-21-2008, 11:11 PM

Who gives them permission to "relinquish" the black knight army as you put it.

I never said that. What I've said was that all the nations in the UN has relinquished their military powers. In other words, they're screwed without the Black Knights. They're powerless. They're mere blocks of land for the taking. Sure they can rebuild, or reorganise their ranks, but not in time to save themselves from Britannia.

As for about Todou and the others leading the Black Knights, it's not wrong to say they, in a sense, are. (Not that I said that initially, but I am now)

All those who hold immediate power under Zero have betrayed him. Word of Zero, whether true or false, will spread in their ranks, thanks to the media manipulator Diethard.

Let's say Zero starts recruiting BK members from across the world. What would they do? Meanwhile, the elite BK members, the ones who actually hold some form of military might, tell others that Zero is a traitor. Who will the world believe? One person, who is/was the leader of their revolution, or the many people under him who claim to have evidence? Should the voice message that Zero ordered Euphie's Massacre go out, it would be over. No words from Zero will wipe the fact that he ordered to kill the very people he was fighting for.

But let's assume that Zero is as influencial as the rest of the betraying BK members. The rest of the UN would not know who to follow. They'll be in confusion and uncoordinated, like the very power they have chosen to depend upon.

A confused and uncoordinated force to a might such as Britannia is simply cannon fodder, whether it be to Knightmares firepower or Schneizel's cunning.

lelouch

Thu, 08-21-2008, 11:41 PM

they're screwed without the Black Knights. They're powerless. They're mere blocks of land for the taking. Sure they can rebuild, or reorganise their ranks, but not in time to save themselves from Britannia.

Who are the "black knights" you are referring to. 100 foot soldiers and a general from japan? They don't need to rebuild anything nor reorganize. Japan is a very small island with a very small population. The only reason they got so far on their own was because of a few gundams and zero's mastermind/geass.

As for about Todou and the others leading the Black Knights, it's not wrong to say they, in a sense, are. (Not that I said that initially, but I am now)

No.... they aren't... Zero is the leader.

All those who hold immediate power under Zero have betrayed him. Word of Zero, whether true or false, will spread in their ranks, thanks to the media manipulator Diethard.

Kallen, Jeremiah, and probably Raksha as well are the only useful members from japan (besides Todou and the other two remaining swordsmen who weren't really that helpful anyway) and they still remain loyal to Zero. I say Raksha because I doubt she cares much about Euphie. All she really seems to care about is make stronger knightmares, take down brittannia, and beat her rival the Duke/Count or whatever he was.

All other members who hold immediate power are not from japan, such as xing-ke who also probably could care less about Euphie, and even if he did, he still has the intelectual capability to first ask Zero for his reasons.

Let's say Zero starts recruiting BK members from across the world. What would they do?

Zero doesn't need to recruit anybody... He has half the world following him.

Meanwhile, the elite BK members, the ones who actually hold some form of military might, tell others that Zero is a traitor.

What elite BK members? Todou, 2 swordsmen, and a camera man?

What military might? 100-300 foot soldiers?

Zero is a traitor? So he's surrendering his army to reclaim his own country not caring about the rest of the world?

Who will the world believe? One person, who is/was the leader of their revolution, or the many people under him who claim to have evidence?

It is irrelevant who they "believe". They will follow the person who has performed many miracles and is very capable AND willing to take down brittania and fight oppression. I very much doubt they will follow cowards who betray the entire BKE to have their own country back, not caring what happens to the rest of the world.

Evidence of what? Geass? All the better, zero has an ability which gives the BKE a large advantage. Who cares if he can turn on/brainwash them in the future? They know that they want brittannia taken down, and Zero is the only one who can help them do it.

Should the voice message that Zero ordered Euphie's Massacre go out, it would be over. No words from Zero will wipe the fact that he ordered to kill the very people he was fighting for.

Most of the world does not care much about Euphie... And again, many have the intelect to listen to Zero's side of the story rather than Britannia's which is obviously propaganda. I doubt the entire world will give up their fight for freedom and take out the only man capable of leading them because he killed a little princess and a few japanese.

But let's assume that Zero is as influencial as the rest of the betraying BK members. The rest of the UN would not know who to follow. They'll be in confusion and uncoordinated, like the very power they have chosen to depend upon.

A confused and uncoordinated force to a might such as Britannia is simply cannon fodder, whether it be to Knightmares firepower or Schneizel's cunning.

They would not be confused or uncoordinated. They would follow whoever can lead them to victory. The other party offering to surrender makes it even easier to choose Zero.

As far as coordination, zero helped kallen and some wanna-be terrorists take out a large fleet of advanced-at-the-time knightmare frames within minutes. Coordination will not be a problem.

Buffalobiian

Fri, 08-22-2008, 12:45 AM

Who are the "black knights" you are referring to. 100 foot soldiers and a general from japan? They don't need to rebuild anything nor reorganize.

There are two forces. Those who fight for Britannia, and those who fight for the UN. The rest are obselete. See all the forces that are fighting for the UN? They're the Black Knights. Whether they are Chinese knightmares or whatever, they belong to the Black Knights. Why? Use logic. There is only one force representing the UN. The Black Knights are not just the Japanese terrorists they once were. They are the entire force the UN has to offer.

No.... they aren't... Zero is the leader........Zero doesn't need to recruit anybody... He has half the world following him.....etc

Take this example: The teaching staff at a school collects evidence and points out that the Principal is corrupted and abuses his rights. They kick him out. The principal tries to explain and deny his charges. How does the rest of the school and local community react? (Don't give me an answer. It's just a thought scenario. Any more would be off topic)

Kallen, Jeremiah, and probably Raksha as well are the only useful members from japan (besides Todou and the other two remaining swordsmen who weren't really that helpful anyway) and they still remain loyal to Zero.

That makes 3. I won't argue about members' usefulness. It's simply not the point.

Zero is a traitor?

According to the majority he is.

...stuff about people not caring about Euphie...

The Euphie case portrays Zero as one whose actions are not exclusively for the benefit of those he leads. It has nothing to do with the princess.

I'll sum up my argument here:

"The Order of the Black Knights, by definition, are the United Federation of Nations' only force. Without them, they have no military prowess. The Order of the Black Knights do not soley consist of a few soldiers and their commanders.

Zero will not have his Black Knights.

If the UN believes the Black Knights' story, they will fall.

If the UN believes Zero's story, they will have a king with a diminished force. Zero's mind will not turn the tables through military conquest. They will fall.

If the UN argues about what to do, Britannia will strike. They will fall."

Conclusion: Zero will not be the same powerful man he was two episodes ago. He may triumph, but not in the same way he intended, which is to crush Britannia through winning territory. The UN will either be a powerless mob or a powerless brain.

I'm done here, unless something else comes up.

enkoujin

Fri, 08-22-2008, 01:03 AM

Who are the "black knights" you are referring to. 100 foot soldiers and a general from japan? They don't need to rebuild anything nor reorganize. Japan is a very small island with a very small population. The only reason they got so far on their own was because of a few gundams and zero's mastermind/geass.

There are little need for "foot soldiers" in the Order of the Black Knights. The only time I actually saw "foot soldiers" were those who first appeared in the debut at the hotel, and those who actually guarded the Chinese Federation embassy. There is more priority for KnightMare pilots and internal operations type of work. I don't know what you consider a "small population", but if Zero had managed to gather one million people to be exiled to the United States of Japan in such a short amount of time, it makes me doubt your idea of a "small population". A one-million people army and workers is enough to do some damage as a "terrorist" organization.

No.... they aren't... Zero is the leader.

Zero is indeed their leader, but it does not relatively make sense how one person can coordinate millions of people for the operations of absolutely everything. How about we take today's President of the United States, strip him of all his secretaries, aides, and ambassadors, and then tell him to take over the tasks of everyone in the organization?

Kallen, Jeremiah, and probably Raksha as well are the only useful members from japan (besides Todou and the other two remaining swordsmen who weren't really that helpful anyway) and they still remain loyal to Zero. I say Raksha because I doubt she cares much about Euphie. All she really seems to care about is make stronger knightmares, take down brittannia, and beat her rival the Duke/Count or whatever he was.

All other members who hold immediate power are not from japan, such as xing-ke who also probably could care less about Euphie, and even if he did, he still has the intelectual capability to first ask Zero for his reasons.

You're forgetting that Todou and his division of the Black Knights have major contributions to the organization. If Toudou leaves, so goes most of the former members of the (nationalistic) Japan Liberation Front.

Put yourself in Xing-Ke's position, without extensive knowledge to Euphie's massacre. Then, you find out from Zero's closest allies that Zero was responsible for the massacre for the people he's fighting for. Xing-Ke is rather chivalrous - just as Suzaku with high moral ground. When Zero had betrayed him by abducting the Tianzi, he was flushed with anger, for his [Zero] dirty and sly tricks. It should also be the same as applied there to the massacre.

Zero doesn't need to recruit anybody... He has half the world following him.

No, he doesn't. The reason as Buffalobiian said, was for oppression against Britannian colonialism and/or imperialism. They just had a recent agreement to join in a collective force to oppose Britannia, but need some assurance whether they are able to or not. The prime stage was set on Japan. If Japan could be liberated, then any country would be able to be liberated as well. Now with the internal rebellions inside the organization, they would lose confidence in the Order of the Black Knights, and pull out of the UN.

What elite BK members? Todou, 2 swordsmen, and a camera man?

What military might? 100-300 foot soldiers?

Zero is a traitor? So he's surrendering his army to reclaim his own country not caring about the rest of the world?

Aforementioned about Toudou above again. Diethardt is VERY important in the organization. He and his division of the organization are basically hackers of broadcasting. Without media attention and propaganda, how do you expect an organization to flourish and continue its hold on its own members? Strong example of this is by Goebbels, the propaganda minister of the NAZI's in the 1930-1940's. Look how strong he held together Nazi Germany together. Censorship and propaganda is very effective, proven by modern society; changes the way we think about an event or an idea.

It is irrelevant who they "believe". They will follow the person who has performed many miracles and is very capable AND willing to take down brittania and fight oppression. I very much doubt they will follow cowards who betray the entire BKE to have their own country back, not caring what happens to the rest of the world.

Evidence of what? Geass? All the better, zero has an ability which gives the BKE a large advantage. Who cares if he can turn on/brainwash them in the future? They know that they want brittannia taken down, and Zero is the only one who can help them do it.

Once it's been revealed that Zero is actually the son of Charles, it's all over for Lelouch. Pictures of him when he was young, the pictures of him in the academy, and the pictures of the secret "laboratory" hidden in the academy, and the fact that Lelouch is missing when big OBK organizations are occuring might be enough proof otherwise. You're also being very ignorant about the fact of fear of the supernatural. In the eyes of ordinary politicians, or even citizens - would you want to work or be lead by a person who can mind control you? Just look at Tamaki when he learned that Zero could have been mind controlling him the whole time.

Most of the world does not care much about Euphie... And again, many have the intelect to listen to Zero's side of the story rather than Britannia's which is obviously propaganda. I doubt the entire world will give up their fight for freedom and take out the only man capable of leading them because he killed a little princess and a few japanese.

Yes, the people around the world do care. If there's an event of genocide in any part of the world, who wouldn't worry? You're forgetting the importance of high positions here. If you were the leader of a country, and one of your diplomats got killed, you would certainly give a damn about it(especially if they were your own family). You're clearly forgetting a very important fact that Britannia is a POWERFUL FASCIST empire - militaristic just as that of any dictatorship government. They rule with an iron fist, especially with the propaganda and censored news.

They would not be confused or uncoordinated. They would follow whoever can lead them to victory. The other party offering to surrender makes it even easier to choose Zero.

As far as coordination, zero helped kallen and some wanna-be terrorists take out a large fleet of advanced-at-the-time knightmare frames within minutes. Coordination will not be a problem.

Coordination is hard now. Zero's identity has been revealed, and Lelouch now, has absolutely no security. No country will want to take in a ringleader of a terrorist group, who has been revealed to be a hypocritical, and a dangerous phoney (except maybe Australia).

lelouch, your arguments are valid, but you base too much on assumption and rely too heavily on Lelouch. If Lelouch couldn't handle leading the entire organization solely by himself or stopping his organization's own internal conspiracies and affairs then how do you expect him to lead a coalition of countries by himself?

Plus, your new abbreviations (OBK - Original Black Knights, BKE - Black Knight Empire) are too confusing, as the original abbreviation for OBK is the Order of the Black Knights, and there was no indication of any "Black Knight Empire", for it is the UN, a semi-supranational organization who have not given up any sovereignty, but to simply devote their military towards the UN to fight against Britannia.

Buffalobiian

Sat, 08-23-2008, 06:18 AM

I'm done here, unless something else comes up.

You guessed it. Something did in fact come up.

Geass Dropped

It doesn't get much clearer than that. We are not subbing it any more, and will not pick it back up no matter how much you fags bitch or whine. We are doing this for a number of reasons, most of which involve us getting tired of the series and everything about it. It is shit. It wasn't good for anything but trainwreck value to begin with, but it's taken that too far recently and we no longer want to have our name associated with it to the point of preferring to be labelled as a group that drops shows. Also, we're tired of the retarded fanbase.

This is dead serious - unlike with certain shitty subs groups, you won't find a "YHBT" message in our staff page, or anywhere else for that matter. Fuck off and download Eclipse's subs.
Original Message (http://www.ggkthx.org/about.php)

Thoughts? I've been watching Eclipse all this time, but the news still bares some weight.

Ryllharu

Sat, 08-23-2008, 06:40 AM

Well, I would be inclined to believe them about it. The series has been on a bit of a downturn, and gg has always been a volatile group (they broke up before and came back at least partially because of R2). The series has been on a bit of a downturn lately, switching more to the Generic Sunrise Formula (tm).

However, I do not believe it has anything to do with licensing. Eclipse of all groups dropped Slayers after getting a C&D letter from Funi, along with the other quality groups doing it.

As for thoughts? Expect the larger retards to stay in #gg until they figure it out, and expect a lot more retards in #Eclipse on Sundays. Compared to Macross, there's plenty of reason to drop it if they lose interest.

shinta|hikari

Sat, 08-23-2008, 06:41 AM

I've been watching the raws, so I don't really care, but I'm surprised they bashed Code Geass this much just because they want to drop it. I really wonder what is "not shit" for the gg people if this series is.

About the OBK thing, it is really simple.

1)The Order of the Black Knights is the sole military power of the UN (or whatever it is called). This means that all military forces are technically the OBK.

2) Toudou, Ougi and the rest that betrayed Zero represented its leadership before, with Zero at the top. But this does not mean that their betrayal will be accepted by the entire group because...

3) The rest of the Order of the Black Knights (Xing Ke etc) joined because of Zero, not because of these Japanese yahoos.

4) 2 and 3 are the opposing factors that will eventually decide if anyone will follow Zero after this. The rest is just extra consideration, and probably will not affect the outcome in any major way, except of course, if the OBK really did sell Zero out to Schneizel to regain their country, which means that they are the traitors to the UN.

Kraco

Sat, 08-23-2008, 06:56 AM

I'm still not expecting those Japanese yahoos to make such a deal and abandon the UN. That would go heavily against logic. They might try to sell Zero, for sure, for a good price like Japan, but that doesn't mean they would suddenly leave the UN. Because it makes zero sense (no pun here). If they leave the UN and thus the UN would get crippled, Britannia would crush the other nations and then come back to Japan and crush the BK lingering there, alone. So what if there was some deal? What are they going to do? Sue the Emperor?

It would be a victory, after a fashion, for the UN if Japan was reclaimed with a deal. After that they could concentrate their forces on some other fronts. War does not miss one man, the saying goes. Sure, Zero was behind all this originally, but I doubt the other UN leaders would simply surrender to Britannia if Zero disappeared.

shinta|hikari

Sat, 08-23-2008, 07:18 AM

Well, Ougi clearly demanded the exchange, I doubt Ougi is crafty enough to make a tactical and politically advantageous decision in this case. He probably thought the entire OBK thing was a farce and wants to end it all by trading it off with Japan's liberation.

The UN definitely will not surrender, but that is not the issue here. The question is whether the remaining forces in the OBK excluding those under the command of the traitors would still remain with OBK, or view their acts as traitorous. I don't think Xing Ke (and those under his command) is willing to work under anyone other than Zero.

Kraco

Sat, 08-23-2008, 07:29 AM

Nah. Xing Ke is a soldier. If Zero's knightmare had been blown out of the sky, he would have continued the fight. I'm not sure how solid plans they have made in case Zero gets killed or captured by you don't really base a war of survival on the existence of one man. I'm not saying Ougi's betrayal wouldn't make things harder for the UN, though. Nobody wants to work with traitors because the next thing you know they sell you to the enemy as well. But while Ougi might be stupid enough to assume Britannia's word is worth something, I'm quite sure there are people in the BK who would tell him clearly enough they aren't safe as long as Britannia exists at all. Besides, Ougi might get kicked out anyway, considering how close he is to Viletta. And he might even want to retire, himself.

David75

Sat, 08-23-2008, 07:55 AM

To me the key is just:
How important is Zero compared to his lieutenants for the Japanese and the Black Knights.

To me for Japanese and average Black Knigts, there's only Zero who matters.

After all to them where's the difference beetween fake data and truth?
Even if some high rank black knights tell them Zero is a traitor, a britanian prince or whatever, I'm pretty sure they would not believe or even don't care. Zero is a symbol, a reason to go on fighting, they don't care who he is and what he does.
Anyone with proper charisma, clever, good at tactics could replace Lelouch under the mask.... that would not change anything provided the fight goes on and gives significant results...

RyougaZell

Sat, 08-23-2008, 10:36 AM

masamuneehs

Sat, 08-23-2008, 12:37 PM

i have this to say:

Season 2 has continued a rather excellent anime, even with some terrible plot conveniencnes and unimagineable changes

Rolo was a good character, even if he was the standard 'child assassin who always longed to be loved' archtype.

Schneizel is awesome. He has no Geass, doesn't even know much about it, and still manages to make most people dance on his palm because he has the good grace to leave them the life to dance rather than crush them like insects between his fingers (aka, the man is merciful to a fault, but still the best person in the entire show)

Suzaku is a good guy, and you all suck cock (the bad kind) for hating on him so much.

Lelouch should die in the last episode. This, of course, is what I want, and is only imagineable via the collective IMPOSSIBLE that is the desire to sell more model kits.

I wish every single Knight of Rounds character that isn't Suzaku never existed. Every single one of them. Complete waste of time, energy, and attention, all to sell model kits. They add nothing except revenue to Sunrise's commercial branch, and are like a rapist taking a leak in our eyesockets.

This show might be one of the best in recent history. It's got terrible plot convenience, characters that make no sense at times (see Ohgi post R2 episode 11, Kallen post episode R2 8), and it wants us to buy model kits, but, well, it's still awesome.

Diethard is still the man. Just you wait and see.

Suzaku is also the man. He's like Kallen, without the tits, and with a hundred times the loyalty and potential.

Rolo was the man, but he was introduced halfway, thus his ass is gay cannon fodder, according to the ways of CLAMP.

I'll be providing a blow by blow from here on out. I could care less if any of you actuall read it.

Kraco

Sat, 08-23-2008, 01:15 PM

Suzaku is also the man. He's like Kallen, without the tits, and with a hundred times the loyalty and potential.

We haven't yet seen Kallen betray anybody. Suzaku, however, will betray anyone if he believes it's for some ambigious greater good that is defined best by his own august self. I don't know about the potential. Suzaku has usually had a bit better machine to fight with, with the exception of the last fight, so it's hard to say who's the better one, or who has more potential. But I suppose Suzaku might have more wits, which is also why he has a hundred times less loyalty.

Idealistic

Sat, 08-23-2008, 01:38 PM

Yes... Maybe Lelouch and Suzaku dies... Then Kallen takes care of CC and they fall in love.

Buffalobiian

Sun, 08-24-2008, 07:02 AM

Wonder what surprise we'll get this time.

[Nipponsei] Code Geass R2 Sound Episode 2.zip (http://tracker.minglong.org/torrents/%5BNipponsei%5D%20Code%20Geass%20R2%20Sound%20Epis ode%202.zip.torrent)

David75

Sun, 08-24-2008, 09:28 AM

[Nightspeed] Code Geass - Lelouch of the Rebellion R2 - 20 [H 264 1280x720 AAC][7D56A41E] mkv 351Mb @ Mininova (http://www.mininova.org/get/1724832)

This is not GG nor Eclipse, but that will do the trick for the time being.

Enjoy!

masamuneehs

Sun, 08-24-2008, 09:33 AM

well, i've been waiting for a release...

watched the broadcast. missed quite a bit (the first half), but thought that, goddamn, Schneizel is such a sexy brilliant bastard. He's gone from doing front line bitch work to throwing a coup d'etat. That's character progression!

Also, seeing the Emperor stew makes me wonder what the hell they're going to do for the next couple of episodes. Oh, and Suzaku was badass, again.

David75

Sun, 08-24-2008, 10:47 AM

I do not think Schneizel has got the edge yet. He even not feel himself up to the task of being the emperor. But by claiming -and for the moment that's only what he does- he's ploting a coup d'état, in a way he thinks he can prevent a real one. True there's Suzaku he left going, but I guess he knows Suzaku can't kill the emperor for many reasons including the presence of the current Knight of One.

So Lelouch plans on isolating himself from the world and taking Charles with him, for eternity? I hope he didn't forget the chess board, they could try to play every possible game for a start. That's a lot, but with eternity you have time.
Oh wait, but they'll die from dehydratation first... well Lelouch only if Charles can not die.

But didn't I think that the place they are is in their minds? Yes probably. So that means that the bombing of the doors is useless. Charles can be extracted anytime.
Even if it was an actual place, the empire still knows what to do to get there, so they only need the will to do what necessary for that.
Oh, and there's not just one way of getting there, Lelouch apparently only destroyed one.
So no matter how you look at it, no they are not trapped somewhere they can't escape or no one can extract them from...

then there's the marianne inside anya thing. I do not buy it, in a way I understand GG on that particular plot twist.

Regarding the head of the BK betting on Lelouch's actual death, it's quite dangerous, because should Lelouch come back as Zero...

Anyway, we'll see next time.

shinta|hikari

Sun, 08-24-2008, 12:07 PM

The bet they did was risky but not foolish. Diethard explained it all. The danger there lies more on the chance that other OBK members (Xing Ke, Kaguya) finding out about the lie, which I believe they already did.

Lelouch and the emperor are obviously not trapped forever, since the series won't progress if that were the case. There still needs to be a Lelouch and C.C. reunion, and knowing Sunrise, maybe even a Lelouch and Nunnally one. I personally think that they are trapped in an actual "place" inside the door, but possibilities of escape should not be that difficult to come up with.

The Marianne inside Anya thing is not that far-fetched. A number of people already commented so before, and I personally considered it too. They will probably provide a more detailed explanation later as to how it is possible. I am betting it has something to do with Marianne's geass, like a mind transfer or something.

I realize now that Lelouch is capable of killing the emperor if he gains mastery of his geass. I hope that is what happens, or maybe Marianne can handle that role.

I am so happy Suzaku got his ass handed to him twice in such a short time.

Kallen's actions were so half-assed that they were stupid. If she was going to pretend, she should do it properly (not defending Zero in such an unconvincing manner is one), unless she is sincerely interacting with a bunch of traitors in such a manner, which is even more stupid.

EDIT: And I can't believe I didn't mention this before the edit...

C.C. IS BACK!
C.C. IS BACK!
C.C. IS BACK!

I knew she would be, but C.C. IS BACK, in all her haughty, dry, and tsundere sexy glory!

RyougaZell

Sun, 08-24-2008, 01:30 PM

Code Geass 20 by GG (http://ggkthx.org/Torrents/%5Bgg%5D_Code_Geass_R2_-_20_%5B25A29DEF%5D.mkv.torrent)

KrayZ33

Sun, 08-24-2008, 01:46 PM

I thought they wanted to drop it? did you alrdy download it?

RyougaZell

Sun, 08-24-2008, 01:51 PM

That was a troll. The GG website has been full of trolls since R2 began.
Yes, I've already downloaded and watched it.

Just don't feel like commenting.

Inazuma

Sun, 08-24-2008, 02:29 PM

What could Nuke the Anime Industry ?

CC going Bankai and killing Vicious ? Noooo

Ryllharu

Sun, 08-24-2008, 03:49 PM

Ugh, this episode left me unsatisfied for so many reasons. All of it was "Oh, and by the way...."

The whole mystery about Anya, and the lingering presence of Marianne the entire season? I wonder how the storyboarding meeting behind this one went. How about we just clean all of the extraneous side plots all at once by making them the same thing! There was no lead up of any kind. It's just..."Oh, and btw, Anya is Marianne."

Sure, several of us suspected Anya had a connection to Marianne, but this one is just a bit too abrupt. All that lead up with Anya the whole damn season, and with Marianne ever since Euphie went berserker, and it boils down to an "Oh, by the way...." moment?!?

Then for another one, we have Cornelia going, "You know what Viletta, things have been a bit hectic, and ya know, I think we'll just decided to cut off your storyline here. Absolved of guilt, don't even bother with Hail Mary's, just go do whatever with that loser Ogi, we don't care. Oh, and by the way...rank doesn't mean as much as you are putting on it."

Schneizel delivers another one. "I'm glad we have been making peace with the OBK, and good for you Suzaku, you seem to know what you want to do. Oh, and by the way, maybe I am not really motivated to do so, but I might as well become the emperor."

The only thing that partially saved this episode was C.C. returning for Cheese-kun before taking off with Anya/Marianne and the development of Suzaku...with one caveat.

Suzaku's little speech in the crater and the nasty lines he gave to Nina (shocking her once again with how stupid she was to NOT KNOW this it would work that way). At least Suzaku finally realized what a monster he has become, and is better off just carrying the whole thing to completion.

But...why in God's name did he bring a sword? He chased after Lelouch with a gun. He's shot people in the face with guns, destroyed turrets with kicks and done all sorts of other nifty things. But we have never seen him use a sword. It's pretty obvious he sucks with them, because with his natural athleticism we've seen two seasons of, he can't compare to the Knight of One. Bring a gun you moron! Knight of One pops out, does a little sword flourish....shoot him in the head. Just like Raiders of the Lost Ark, how hard is that?

I guess there is a reason a lot of this seems chopped together.
Not Quite as Planned (http://trainwreck.ggkthx.org/2008/08/19/taniguchi-on-geass-not-as-planned/) [link found via RandomC]

animus

Sun, 08-24-2008, 04:05 PM

A big ?_? from me.

Cornelia's storyline was utterly useless. But I did suspect earlier Anya had some sorta connection with Marianne. Though it was something a little out there like, Anya's a clone of Marianne or something.

Everon

Sun, 08-24-2008, 04:36 PM

But...why in God's name did he bring a sword? He chased after Lelouch with a gun. He's shot people in the face with guns, destroyed turrets with kicks and done all sorts of other nifty things. But we have never seen him use a sword. It's pretty obvious he sucks with them, because with his natural athleticism we've seen two seasons of, he can't compare to the Knight of One. Bring a gun you moron! Knight of One pops out, does a little sword flourish....shoot him in the head. Just like Raiders of the Lost Ark, how hard is that?

I guess there is a reason a lot of this seems chopped together.
Not Quite as Planned (http://trainwreck.ggkthx.org/2008/08/19/taniguchi-on-geass-not-as-planned/) [link found via RandomC]

Guns are sooooo last season. The sword probably transforms into that "Lancelot Albion" they were talking about, he just hasn't unlocked THE POWER WITHIN.

Schneizel reminds me a little of Lelouch. He seems like he's doing these things for the sake of justice, but underneath the guise is a power hungry eccentric.

(edit: its an interesting link btw, makes sense why this season seems a little more...erratic)

RyougaZell

Sun, 08-24-2008, 04:41 PM

I am surprised that with the way you check everything to the last frame you missed something vital Ryll.

How the hell can you say 'Annya is Marianne' when Annya's eyes were geassed all the time 'Marianne' spoke? Its obvious Marianne's Geass was a mind transfer, and before dieing she transferred her mind into Annya. Even CC said Marianne had cheated... cheated her way out of death by existing within someone else.

Annya previously stated she did not remember many things... so my guess is that apart from Marianne's geass, she was geassed by the emperor to make her forget things... dunno... maybe she was also a child of Marianne? This last paragraph is pure especulation, but the previous one is most probably the truth. Annya IS NOT Marianne.

Apart from all that, I do felt the episode was lacking. At least Xingke and Kaguya seems to not truly believe the fat lie Ougi told them.

Ryllharu

Sun, 08-24-2008, 04:42 PM

Guns are sooooo last season. The sword probably transforms into that "Lancelot Albion" they were talking about, he just hasn't unlocked THE POWER WITHIN.
I've got a better one:

Clearly, since Marianne has shown nearly no interest in saving her own son, she is obviously more aware of everything going on. Obviously, she has been training Nunnally in secret all these years in piloting Knightmares. So, Nunnally, who was never really blind, just really good at faking it, will show up in the Ganymede Tallgease MK-BlizUrd (1/32 scale model coming soon to a hobby shop near you!) to save Lelouch.

Everon

Sun, 08-24-2008, 04:48 PM

You forgot that Nunnally also has a Geass that gives her the power of being totally badass.

animus

Sun, 08-24-2008, 06:26 PM

Nunnally's geass makes other people blind.

MFauli

Sun, 08-24-2008, 06:39 PM

Epic-version released?

Also, having myself spoiled, wtf, Nunally´s alive -___________-

Lucifus

Sun, 08-24-2008, 06:53 PM

Whatever....as long as C2 is back, all is right in the world of Geass.

darkmetal505

Sun, 08-24-2008, 08:10 PM

Eclipse - Episode 19 h264 (http://torrents.no-sekai.de/eclipse/%5bEclipse%5d%20Code%20Geass%20-%20Lelouch%20of%20the%20Rebellion%20R2%20-%2020%20(1280x720%20h264)%20%5b17AB1427%5d.mkv.tor rent)
Eclipse - Episode 19 XviD (http://torrents.no-sekai.de/eclipse/%5bEclipse%5d%20Code%20Geass%20-%20Lelouch%20of%20the%20Rebellion%20R2%20-%2020%20(XviD)%20%5bDEB387B0%5d.avi.torrent)

ChaosK

Sun, 08-24-2008, 08:27 PM

Watching Suzaku get bitched by Bismarck was great. Apparently Bismarck is hiding a geass under his stitched eye? Marianne becoming Anya was pretty random but it has something to do with the geass she mentioned when talking to C.C. When Marianne talks through Anya, you see Anya's eyes have the red rim surrounding them that indicate she's under the effects of geass.

Now to address Ryllharu's rant.

Ugh, this episode left me unsatisfied for so many reasons. All of it was "Oh, and by the way...."

The whole mystery about Anya, and the lingering presence of Marianne the entire season? I wonder how the storyboarding meeting behind this one went. How about we just clean all of the extraneous side plots all at once by making them the same thing! There was no lead up of any kind. It's just..."Oh, and btw, Anya is Marianne."

Sure, several of us suspected Anya had a connection to Marianne, but this one is just a bit too abrupt. All that lead up with Anya the whole damn season, and with Marianne ever since Euphie went berserker, and it boils down to an "Oh, by the way...." moment?!?

It wasn't as much as an "Oh by the way..." moment as it's the anime coming to a conclusion and it was about time Marianne revealed herself.

Then for another one, we have Cornelia going, "You know what Viletta, things have been a bit hectic, and ya know, I think we'll just decided to cut off your storyline here. Absolved of guilt, don't even bother with Hail Mary's, just go do whatever with that loser Ogi, we don't care. Oh, and by the way...rank doesn't mean as much as you are putting on it."

Schneizel delivers another one. "I'm glad we have been making peace with the OBK, and good for you Suzaku, you seem to know what you want to do. Oh, and by the way, maybe I am not really motivated to do so, but I might as well become the emperor."

Wasn't it obvious to everyone that Schneizel had intentions of seizing the throne? He plays the part of the idealistic man who hates war and reaches out to everybody's good side and tells them what they want to hear, however, the entire time, Schneizel has been researching what Charles is up to in order to be able to challenge him on a level ground, that was Schneizel's story for the past 2 seasons. He may have expressed to the audience (IE Gino, Llyod, Cecil and etc.) that he is going to take the throne in order to strip an unworthy man of power and bring justice to the world, but in actuality, it's been his ambition all along.

The only thing that partially saved this episode was C.C. returning for Cheese-kun before taking off with Anya/Marianne and the development of Suzaku...with one caveat.

Yes that was awesome.

Suzaku's little speech in the crater and the nasty lines he gave to Nina (shocking her once again with how stupid she was to NOT KNOW this it would work that way). At least Suzaku finally realized what a monster he has become, and is better off just carrying the whole thing to completion.

The anime needed a strong villain for a final battle. The battle of wits is going on between Lelouch and Charles, meanwhile, Kallen and everybody else will fight Suzaku in a battle of power (knightmares) or else this show wouldn't have a flashy conclusion. There needs to be a giant wtf-tastic Knightmare battle, especially with them hyping Lancelot Alberon. Also, Lloyd refusing to give Suzaku the Lancelot was great. Lloyd is a very underplayed character, he is aware of everything and just plays the idiot. For example, him telling Nina she'd either have to give up science or give up her conscience (although that's pretty obvious when you're fucking developing a nuclear warhead) and him knowing Suzaku's not right in the head at the moment and giving him Lancelot Alberon would be insane.

But...why in God's name did he bring a sword? He chased after Lelouch with a gun. He's shot people in the face with guns, destroyed turrets with kicks and done all sorts of other nifty things. But we have never seen him use a sword. It's pretty obvious he sucks with them, because with his natural athleticism we've seen two seasons of, he can't compare to the Knight of One. Bring a gun you moron! Knight of One pops out, does a little sword flourish....shoot him in the head. Just like Raiders of the Lost Ark, how hard is that?

Sword fights > Gun fights. Also anybody else find it funny Bismarck carries a miniature version of the sword his Knightmare has? :D

I guess there is a reason a lot of this seems chopped together.
Not Quite as Planned (http://trainwreck.ggkthx.org/2008/08/19/taniguchi-on-geass-not-as-planned/) [link found via RandomC]

That was certainly interesting...yet not very surprising. Geass is still entertaining to me and definitely worth watching but a lot of it seems to be a crapshoot and the writers just going with "What will make our readers have the biggest shock/surprised reaction?" and then going with it. I'm interested in who's working with Marianne...(she asks C.C. "Are you still on our side?")

Ryllharu

Sun, 08-24-2008, 08:45 PM

It wasn't as much as an "Oh by the way..." moment as it's the anime coming to a conclusion and it was about time Marianne revealed herself.
I can concede a few of my other rant points, but this one was by far the biggest problem.

Yes, I agree that it was well beyond time Marianne's role in all this was finally addressed, but the way they went about it was beyond poor.

Do they address whether Anya coming into contact was Marianne attempting to assert her personality? Nope. They really do come across as an, "Oh by the way," moment by showing Marianne declaring herself and then immediately going off to do whatever she and C.C. are up to.

It's called poor pacing.

Anya has had very little screen time overall, and very little development. While that would normally be fine if, like C.C., Marianne was Anya from the very beginning and hiding her true personality. But from what C.C. explained about the possession of Anya being Marianne's Geass, and moreover violating that contract, it changes who Anya is. Anya becomes a victim, forcably possessed by Marianne. The proof of course being all of Anya's aforementioned memory gaps, and her confused gravitation towards Lelouch.

But we can't really be sympathetic towards Anya like we could say, Shirley. Anya had only that development. We know nothing else about her other than the no-longer-mysterious seizures she was getting.

So, I think it very much is an "Oh by the way" as a result of poor pacing. There was never any time to develop Anya's character, or slowly work in seizures and gaps she was having. Maybe show her acting a little different around people when Marianne's personality asserts itself. Marianne is after all, "a great actress," according to our favorite witch. It might have been a little obvious what was going on if we caught sight of Anya's red-limned, geass-ensorced eyes, but then we'd be able to speculate like crazy if it was Lelouch who did it to her, the Emperor, or someone else we didn't know. Instead, we just got two seizures that no other characters mentioned or noticed. No inquries, no questions, and when she does it a third time..."Oh by the way, I'm Marianne now."

They just skip over everything to cover up for all the time wasted on worthless filler added to make every episode end on a cliffhanger.

Board of Command

Sun, 08-24-2008, 08:58 PM

TheBladeChild

Sun, 08-24-2008, 09:28 PM

Well with this episode, it looks like my hopes for a season 3 die. Like Ryll has said all the side plots are all but gone. Marianne as Anya was forced on the plot only because there are 5 episodes left.

shinta|hikari

Mon, 08-25-2008, 12:11 AM

I, for one, am fine with all the side plots ending. There were simply too many loose ends hanging around, and very little time to finish them. The way the story went is also pretty good, unexpected, and yet still makes sense. The only real complaint here is the pacing, which I completely agree with.

A lot of things were rushed, and thus leaves everyone feeling unsatisfied. R2 has so many things going on all at the same time. I wish they stretched it out to 37 episodes or something to make it flow better, without the gigantic time skips that make it seem we are only watching climax moments in each episode. Still, this has been going on ever since CG season 1 (episode 24-25 anyone?) so it isn't anything new.

I don't think the Cornelia and Villetta roles will end as they are at present. They were simply developed too much to just be discarded as worthless characters. There are 5 episodes left, and that is like a season of story and plot twist for Code Geass.

Also, as long as C.C. is back, everything is fine with Code Geass, like Lucifus said.

ChaosK

Mon, 08-25-2008, 01:03 AM

Four episodes left according to the page that Ryllharu linked to.

TheBladeChild

Mon, 08-25-2008, 03:30 AM

I go off of wikipedia, though I dont know how reliable it is. The one thing they do have is the titles in advance, which have been accurate for every episode.

Everon

Mon, 08-25-2008, 04:28 AM

Whatever....as long as C2 is back, all is right in the world of Geass.

Except for the posters who a few episodes back thought the memory loss was going to be some kind of amazing turning point for the season.

Nope, just plot filler.

shinta|hikari

Mon, 08-25-2008, 06:20 AM

No, it wasn't. If that didn't happen, the series would not have turned out they way it did at all (Lelouch in despair, Suzaku using FLEIA, Nunnally dying[?]). Just because it ended abruptly does not make the changes it caused to the plot trivial.

KrayZ33

Mon, 08-25-2008, 08:50 AM

episode was "ok"(animation and action wise) but everything is total weird now and confusing

who has beaten up that reporter guy and for what reason?
I can think of Kallen doing that, but why didn't they show us that, it's not like we don't want to see kallen beating him up :/

and how the hell did Lelouch ended up in this freaking mind-world again? wasn't the knight of one guarding it?

I didn't understand the whole Anya+C.C. part... it was like "Oh hai, there I'm Lelouch's mozza in Anya's body" - "Oh hi, ok I will turn back to normal again " - "Ok let's go then" (why do they follow him anyway if they don't really want to help Lelouch?

Ok, ok...she was probably able to get his mind back to normal again, because this "Cyberworld" (forgot the name) is back online again...but this was still very hasty...

I'm totally confused and this is actually the first time I think R2 is shit compared to the first season... I've seen worse but seriously, this isn't right....

but I noticed that the animationstyle of some characters changed a bit... (for example Lelouch) and Mad-zaku is turning into a really interesting character now ^^

MFauli

Mon, 08-25-2008, 09:15 AM

Lol, so Lelouch watched Dragonball and how Trunks and Goten tried to trap Boo in the room of time and space, eh :P

Anyway, not a bad episode....but a bit too fast, overall. I mean, last episode Lelouch is at his end, now within minutes he has geass´ed half of Britannia´s army and is back to full power.

Also, can anyone explain the whole CC-thing? Did she just act when it seemed she had lost her memory? Meh, i dont like that.

shinta|hikari

Mon, 08-25-2008, 09:24 AM

@Krayz-

The Knight of one was fooled by Anya/Marianne, which allowed Lelouch to get inside without being caught. It was obvious. Anya/Marianne even zoomed in on him while he is on his way inside the cave.

You're not supposed to understand the Anya part yet since it hasn't been explained. The C.C. part was simplified into her hiding inside her own mind voluntarily. Then Anya/Marianne, who always seemed to have the ability to connect with C.C.'s psyche (must be a geass connection thing), came and pulled her out. Simple, yes. Could have been better, yes. Hard to understand, not really.

Why are they following him? Are they even following him? I think it was clearly implied that they headed to the island because the emperor has begun executing his plans, and Marianne felt it and "revived".

It was surprising rather than confusing really, at least at this point, since explanations will probably come a bit later.

@Mfauli - We can't be sure yet, but I think rather than acting, she went into a state of denial or rejection. Not knowing why she did not fulfill her lifelong (and how long it is) goal of dying, she probably became confused and escaped reality. It happens to real people when something traumatic happens to them, so it is quite possible this is the case. C.C. is lucky she has someone who can enter her mind and "save" her.

Kraco

Mon, 08-25-2008, 09:33 AM

It certainly was a jumpy experience. It felt like half of the material had been cut or never animated and just skipped. Not that skipping would be anything new what comes to CG, though.

I had no problems with Marianne residing inside Anya's head. It finally gives some justification to why Anya has been getting so much screen time. It's no use to look at it the other way around and say she should have been developed more for this. She wasn't anything remarkable otherwise, I reckon. Being a host was her purpose and it culminated in this episode.

C.C.'s transformation to her old self, though, sorely disappointed me, and I'm sad to say that. In fact there even wasn't any transformation. But to be realistic, when you look at the episode as a whole, I suppose we need to be thankful C.C.'s and Anya's meeting was even shown and not just suddenly them flying around as if nothing ever happened to C.C.

They better have something really juicy in the last 4 or 5 episodes to justify all the cuts in this one.

KrayZ33

Mon, 08-25-2008, 09:41 AM

@ shinta
hmmm true.. I didn't realize that he entered the cave... I just thought they saw him walking on the ground...

maybe I was just too shocked about the sudden change of... well, everything... (and missing explanations)

shinta|hikari

Mon, 08-25-2008, 09:43 AM

What I am wondering about is whether C.C. remembers everything that happened when she was all innocent. I am leaning towards yes, since they seem to be well versed with everything that's happened.

KrayZ33

Mon, 08-25-2008, 09:47 AM

What I am wondering about is whether C.C. remembers everything that happened when she was all innocent. I am leaning towards yes, since they seem to be well versed with everything that's happened.

hmmm are they? Anya could've said that the King is doing "that" thing... and C.C. knows what to do now... and she follows her probably because Anya/Marianne violated the contract between them... because she said something like "if you think I violated the rules you should follow me now" or so.

Maybe it's the last chance for C.C. to do something before the Emperor destroys this option

shinta|hikari

Mon, 08-25-2008, 10:01 AM

I am hoping C.C. does remember. If not, it really seems like the other cute innocent C.C. just died and disappeared. While I love the haughty and dry C.C. more, I love the other C.C. a lot as well. In fact, I love all that is C.C., even the stuff she is related to, like pizza and cheese-kun. Wait, I kind of lost my train of thought....

Who cares. C.C. is all that matters.

Yukimura

Mon, 08-25-2008, 03:53 PM

C.C. BANZAI!!!

I'll miss slave-mode but C.C. will always be C.C. But good grief this episode was full of hax and nonsense. It took 45 episodes for Lelouch to finally just order someone to obey all his commands.

There was too much wtf in this ep to fully get my head around it but one thing that I marked well was Suzaku pushing the limit of crazy even further. Now he's decided that all that matters are results so that he doesn't have to feel bad about all the bad things that he's done. I guess since he's completely raped that whole 'right method' thing that he's been clinging to so badly that he's fully turned into Lelouch (finally) but somehow he makes it look like a really bad thing.

lelouch

Mon, 08-25-2008, 07:37 PM

I don't understand how Lelouch contacted so many britannian soldiers, especially the ones in one-man knightmares.

Ryllharu

Mon, 08-25-2008, 07:43 PM

Lelouch was finally using what the Black Knights had all feared he was using on them. The "Obey everything I say" command, turning them into his slaves. Before this, Lelouch was either using one-time, phrase, timed, or event triggered commands. This would allow whoever he used it on to resume their normal lives and normal personality/asprirations after he was done with them. Either that or he simply used the command for info.

Here, he made them his slaves. He could easily (as we saw him doing) command others to bring in more soldiers, order their subordinates in Knightmares to come back for a 'coffee break,' only to make more slaves. The more you have, the faster you can gain more. Reverse pyramid scheme. Start at the top and work your way down.

Buffalobiian

Tue, 08-26-2008, 06:17 AM

What I'm surprised about this episode (amongst other things), was Marianne's personality. In contrast to what we've heard about her, she turned out to be something akin to a witty and playful girl. Not at all like the regal figure Jeremiah and Cornelia described and admired. They explained it in one line "She a good actor", but a shocker's still a shocker.

By the way, where was the thing about C.C/Marianne violating their treaty? I didn't catch it in Eclipse's version.

Despite Marianne's seemingly immortal geass power, this really leaves her weakness wide open. From all the geass powers we've seen so far, some have obvious weaknesses, while others don't seem to have any. If Marianne's had one, I'd assume it was that she has to transfer back into her own body if she wants a new host. If that was the case, I can see her dying (if at all) by the hands of Jeremiah's Geass Canceller.

By far the most confusing part for me though, is C.C. taking her own code. If it can be done, why has no one done it before?

shinta|hikari

Tue, 08-26-2008, 07:00 AM

C.C. told Marianne that she did not fulfill the contract when C.C. just returned to her old self, around 5:30 depending on the version. Fulfillment of the contract in this case, would be killing C.C., which makes me glad Marianne never did so.

EDIT: About the sealing of the code, I think she did it involuntarily (and could return voluntarily as well), since she did reply that she was unaware of the reason she did so when Marianne inquired. If that is the case, the reason why no one has done it yet so far is because it cannot be done by will, or it has not been discovered to be possible yet. Marianne probably diagnosed the situation when she saw C.C.'s odd behavior and confirmed her suspicions/theory when she entered C.C.'s mind and found her there.

Inazuma

Tue, 08-26-2008, 09:33 AM

Please understand this ; Lelouch together with purple flames equals pure ownage.

This is a plot heavy ep, yes, but the thing is that it's only a warmup ep to me. Making this much revelations, can mean only one thing, that a major one is about to be uncovered and thats interesting. Anya is Marianne, so what, that doesn't bring much to CG ...

Lelouch is full of bile and back in the game baby !

Even if Cornelia was to be a Geass user, I wouldn't give a shit because whats important here, is Lelouch and nothing else.

shinta|hikari

Tue, 08-26-2008, 10:36 AM

I have to disagree.

C.C. is what is important here and nothing else.

But since Lelouch seems to be important to C.C. (especially with that expression she showed when Marianne considered not helping her son), I will give him second place.

masamuneehs

Tue, 08-26-2008, 11:34 AM

wow, the only decent thing in the first part of the episode that i'd missed was Suzaku's "Nina, you're a fucking idiot" moment. I'm not totally against Anya being Marianne, but I thought it was poorly executed. It was more confusing than shocking. More or less, I agree with Ryll. Craptacular pacing, lackluster 'big moment' delivery.

I like Schneizel's "oh well, guess I'll just become Emperor after all". The guy is not like Lelouch at all. He seems to be running on the low spectrum of personal ambition, but is just in the role where, really, who else could lead the country but him? He even said, "The emperor has left the thrown empty many a night", implying, that he, the Prime Minister, has already been doing a shit ton of the actual governing. And, at the core, Schneizel is a 'so-far' good person. He cares about his people. He has long disagreed with the Emperor, which can be seen in him basically arranging the marriage to end the war with China, and now in signing a cease-fire with a severely weakened (Zero-less) Black Knights.

Of course, there is only one explanation why he took this opportunity, Suzaku volunteering to kill the emperor: Lelouch needed confusion to get onto that island, ditto for Marianne and C.C. Yes, the whole coup is just a big plot convenience that, although it'll probably spawn some subplot of its own, really just lets Charles vs. Lelouch w/ CC and Marianne present take place.

Liked how they handled Gino. I hate it when EVERYBODY is just like, "Fuck yeah coup d'etat! Why not?"

I like how even though Suzaku is becoming more and more like season 1Lelouch, and Lelouch more and more like old Suzaku, everyone still hates Suzaku and thinks Lelouch walks on water.

I have no words for the silent fury that is my feelings towards Lelouch conveniently enslaving all the crucial pieces (but somehow not all!) of the Britannian army.

This episode was a shit-show of "This is how we're going to get to the climax". But let's hope Suzaku's right, and the ends turn out more important than these woefully pathetic means.

shinta|hikari

Tue, 08-26-2008, 12:21 PM

Schneizel smiling when FLEIA was fired really makes it hard for me to think of him as a "so-far" good person.

Kraco

Tue, 08-26-2008, 12:48 PM

All the princes of Britannia are more or less screwed in the head. The princesses seem far more stabile and normal.

NeoCybercoin

Tue, 08-26-2008, 01:11 PM

You are forgetting that childish one who is like "Yeah let's just destroy China =D"

TheBladeChild

Tue, 08-26-2008, 05:52 PM

I cant say Schneizel is a "so-far" good person. He didnt bat a eye when Nunnally died. Nor did he seem happy when Cornelia came back. I still think he has the potential of being the primary antagonist of this series, though it would take some serious BS on the writers part since there are what 5 episodes left?

Inazuma

Tue, 08-26-2008, 06:05 PM

Becarefull, Schneizel and his bitch Canon are a serious duo that could prove to be the real baddies of CG

Ryllharu

Tue, 08-26-2008, 07:22 PM

I was wondering about the symbolism behind the sequence in the OP where they show Schniezel and the Emperor splitting with blue and red shadows, while Lelouch splits into a FABULOUS rainbow.

It seems to be developing that Charles and Schniezel both see the world in black and white (blue and red). Charles sees only the disgusting side of this world, the evil, the hatred, and all the things that make the world unfair (ref. flashback conversation with V.V. while Marianne and C.C. are in the background). So Charles wants to destroy the world.

On the other hand, while we don't know a whole lot of what Schniezel really believes at this point, he seems to lean towards becoming a ruler that supposedly "cares" for the people. I'm beginning to believe that he's more after a Nanny State (think the real world UK) in comparison to Charles' authoritarian rule. Schniezel does smirk at nuclear weapons launching, but has continually expressed interest in Euphie's plan of making a well regulated happy place for the Japanese as well as Nunnally's reintroduction of that plan, and other "goodwill" projects. I could see how the independent city-state of Nippon could have become something not unlike a reservation or the prison camps that the real world US created for both Native Americans and the Japanese in WWII.

Then we have Lelouch, who has known from the beginning that the world is all in shades of grey. He once liked the Britannia people, but someone among them took his mother from him. He hated becoming a hostage to the Japanese, until he met his first friend. His friend would later betray him time and time again, but he had met more Japanese people he could like. Kallen, though fiercely loyal to the Resistances, also made a lot of friends among the Britannians. C.C., Diethard, Raksharta, all people who couldn't really care less which side they were on, so long as their ultimate goals were reached.

That's my hypothesis anyway.

darkmetal505

Tue, 08-26-2008, 10:08 PM

So C.C decided to take a little vacation in her mind? I'm sure Lelouch would've appreciated her help in this most recent crisis.

I don't know how they didn't catch Lelouch out of the forest.

Mad props to enkoujin for calling a Anya-Marianne correlation.

I hope they try to clear the mist in the last couple of episodes though.

Idealistic

Wed, 08-27-2008, 12:44 AM

Well I hope Jeremiah's Geass cancellor becomes of more use.... Otherwise it'll be pretty lame. I mean, all we've seen it do so far was cancel the geass on Shirley and then she died. And then the scene where he reveals to Lelouch that he's all about being loyal to Marianne.

Buffalobiian

Wed, 08-27-2008, 01:04 AM

Schneizel, good boy, bad boy?

Hard to tell, but from what Canon said "So he's finally made up his mind." hints that the thought hasn't crossed Schneizel's mind. Furthermore, it means that the previous times it has, his answer wasn't "No".

xtallography

Wed, 08-27-2008, 02:03 AM

It would be interesting if Orange's canceler was the thing that finally let Suzaku die.

Buffalobiian

Wed, 08-27-2008, 02:45 AM

I guess there is a reason a lot of this seems chopped together.
Not Quite as Planned (http://trainwreck.ggkthx.org/2008/08/19/taniguchi-on-geass-not-as-planned/) [link found via RandomC]

It's a real pity that it turned out this way. Like Darker than Black, I can only guess at how the story should have really turned out. :(

It would be interesting if Orange's canceler was the thing that finally let Suzaku die.

I think it'll be the only thing that can kill Suzaku. With the Lancelot Albion getting Cecile Wings, he'll be invincible, even escaping FLEIA's blast radius.

I still think Suzaku's the one who'll live, while Lelouch will die. Then we'll finally unlock possibly the final mystery of his geass: Are his orders followed even when he dies?

Kraco

Wed, 08-27-2008, 03:13 AM

I still think Suzaku's the one who'll live, while Lelouch will die. Then we'll finally unlock possibly the final mystery of his geass: Are his orders followed even when he dies?

As if he would die for something like that... I can't right now believe in Lelouch's death for the simple reason that C.C. was left alive so that she could experience happiness in life and not the happiness in death she had been looking for all the time. And it was Lelouch who was going to show that to her. Who knows, maybe nearing the end Lelouch will intend to die for whatever cause but C.C. will stop him.

From the beginning of the show I've wanted a Lelouch-C.C. happily ever after ending.

Ryllharu

Wed, 08-27-2008, 03:56 AM

As if he would die for something like that... I can't right now believe in Lelouch's death for the simple reason that C.C. was left alive so that she could experience happiness in life and not the happiness in death she had been looking for all the time. And it was Lelouch who was going to show that to her. Who knows, maybe nearing the end Lelouch will intend to die for whatever cause but C.C. will stop him.

From the beginning of the show I've wanted a Lelouch-C.C. happily ever after ending.
I'm not sure if this was discussed already, but I think this is a huge part of the discussion between Marianne and C.C. in C.C.'s head. This was the part that went unsaid. Marianne said that Charles could have given C.C. the death she so desired, and C.C. replied she didn't know why she didn't take the opportunity.

It's probably because of Lelouch. She might have finally experienced a little bit of the actual love and affection she was seeking those hundreds of years ago, and she may not even know it.

Yukimura

Wed, 08-27-2008, 10:33 AM

I'm starting to see Schneizel as the son who wanted to impress his dad and did lots of things he thought would make him proud, but then never got the approval he was seeking because he didn't have the kind of disposition his dad favored. Lelouch strikes me more as the Emporer's true son in terms of possessing a similar disposition (I don't like this so I'm going to force it to change because I have the power to).

Despite his apparent compassion when compared to Lelouch or Charles, Schneizel still seems quite content to conquer the world which ultimately marks him as a 'bad guy'. Maybe Schneizel would be a good and decent ruler, but I doubt all the conquered peoples would have Suzakuesque neuroses and happily embrace being put under the authority of Britannia completely unbidden. No matter how you dice it or how nice you are about it when you go around stealing the autonomy of countries with your big stick/god mecha/nuclear weapons you can't be all that 'good'.

enkoujin

Wed, 08-27-2008, 12:33 PM

Throwing this one out there, but no one thinks there'll be a father-son bonding during this "temporary" eternity?

Maybe Charles and Lelouch will recognize their differences, get together and just talk out their problems, in which the outcome ends in Lelouch being more like his father, stated by Yukimura, or Charles becoming good like Lelouch.

Maybe Marianne had tried to escape a life of Charles' concubines, and decided to seal herself away at hosts. Maybe that was why Charles got pissed and decided to get rid of her.

But since it's Code Geass, I spectate that while Lelouch and Charles are busy discussing their idealogies, Charles will reveal that he had found another way to bypass the seal exits for the Sword and destroy the world, however being stuck with Lelouch for all eternity. Then, for some plot-hole existing reason, C.C and Marianne bust into the Geass Elevator, sealing the Sword, and taking Lelouch out of there (leaving Charles and Marianne behind).

Then, as Suzaku and Schneizel start to conquer the world, now that the OBK had declared a truce, Lelouch comes back with C.C, rounding up geass'd slaves in an attempt to stop Schneizel and Suzaku. Lelouch brings Jeremiah, kills Suzaku all amidst dramatic irony that Suzaku only wanted the best for Lelouch after killing Nunally, and Lelouch breaks down Britannia.

Buffalobiian

Wed, 08-27-2008, 09:19 PM

Talking about Marianne and Charles, they made a fair deal about how Charles ordered the body to be concealed and sent off right after her assassination.

If Charles knew of Marianne's geass and it's power, he may have collected it to either research on, or more likely, destroyed it so she cannot perform another body transfer.

I'm saying this because I believe that if Marianne's geass had a weakness, it would be that she has to get back into her body before she can possess another body. Now that her body's destroyed, Charles knows that even if she survived, she would either have to live hiding away, or he can kill her should she admit to the world that she's Marianne.

Of course, a case like what happened this week can also happen.

shinta|hikari

Wed, 08-27-2008, 11:58 PM

Wait, are we really sure Marianne is against the Emperor? I am not saying she isn't, but has there been any blatant mention that her goal opposes the emperor? When she revived after realizing the emperor is about to initiate his plans, it might be to help him or something.

The same goes for the emperor. For all we know, they might be in this together or something.

Buffalobiian

Thu, 08-28-2008, 04:31 AM

[Nipponsei] Code Geass R2 Original Soundtrack 1.zip (http://tracker.minglong.org/torrents/%5BNipponsei%5D%20Code%20Geass%20R2%20Original%20S oundtrack%201.zip.torrent)

KrayZ33

Thu, 08-28-2008, 05:51 AM

The emperor did nothing to stop the assassination of Marianne... or at least he didn't try to solve the case (who did kill her... and why), because of this and some other reasons Lelouch hates Charles... and now we have to ask, why didn't he try to find the culprit? Maybe because he is party involved in all this.... and why did he want to kill her? Maybe because she tried to stop the Emperor in doing something important for him.

So, I'm pretty sure she wants to stop him

If not, then it's just another "lulz code geass" moment which nobody understands

Buffalobiian

Thu, 08-28-2008, 06:01 AM

Well, that's that I thought too, but you can easily explain that will Britannia's belief: the strongest survive.

The emperor may well have thought "If she was killed so easily, then she was not fit to be my partner and equal."

shinta|hikari

Thu, 08-28-2008, 06:18 AM

David75

Thu, 08-28-2008, 01:19 PM

Or for some reason, it would be better to have her dead at that point. Let us not forget that the emperor probably knows about her geass. Also, Marianne did not seem angry for being killed, as if it was part of some plan.

To me Marianne's death was a key point to manipulate Lelouch into becoming that angry rogue prince... And seeing how she was dealing with things, I think Marianne was even the one proposing it...

Kraco

Thu, 08-28-2008, 02:05 PM

For all we know she was just a very positive person. After all this time after her death, she still has fans in high places who remember her fondly. So, it could be just her personality that allows her to take it cool despite having been murdered.

Still, since it's Code Geass we are talking about, you never know...

masamuneehs

Sun, 08-31-2008, 03:33 AM

okay, well... i suppose some of the things revealed in this episode were done decently enough... it felt like a terrible episode in parts, but, well... ...

NeoBear

Sun, 08-31-2008, 12:46 PM

its nightspeed in case your not cool with that

http://tracker.anirena.com/download.php?id=13297

and wow i guess i have to give these guys credit even when i think they have nothing left to shock me with i have no idea how they can wrap this up but as someone said there was no way they would let this end without a big ass robot war lol

David75

Sun, 08-31-2008, 01:12 PM

Nah, nightspeed it is fine. There are some glitches here and there, but with regards to their speed, they're good.
I whish quality was always at least that.
Try to find some Saint Seiya OAVs from the past, you'll understand my point :D

Anyways thanks for the link, dl in progress, though a bit slow eventhough there are so many peers and leechers.

jaguar04p

Sun, 08-31-2008, 01:23 PM

GG is out go get it

http://ggkthx.org/Torrents/[gg]_Code_Geass_R2_-_21_[DC0CAB1A].mkv.torrent

David75

Sun, 08-31-2008, 02:03 PM

So GG is quite quick too.

Nice ep. I didn't think Lelouch would be so quick in erasing everything from his past in such a way. But whatever.

Also CC is sad. Schneizel is in for big trouble. Suzaku .... of Zero :eek: very convenient... (word missing for not spoiling)

Yukimura

Sun, 08-31-2008, 02:15 PM

David75

Sun, 08-31-2008, 02:42 PM

More WTF!!?? from Code Geass. I don't think I want to know how they plan to top this for the finale. Schneizel is going to have some sort of hax that's even more broken than Charuru's Jupiter canon, what that could possibly be I don't know but I'm sure it will be fabulous like everything Schieizel does.

Oh by the way...HOW THE FUCK DID THEY GET OUT?!

Well Suzaku and CC entered so I guess it's possible to get out.

Also, I suspect Schneizel to have his own geass.
After all, he is also one of Charles prefered sons. He may be part of plan B...
We have to remember that the Ragnar Øk connects everyone together, dead ones too...
So even with Charles and Marianne dead, the plan still is of interrest.

shinta|hikari

Sun, 08-31-2008, 02:43 PM

Well, much like how Suzaku and C.C. got in, I guess.

I knew that Marianne was in it with Charles, because in Code Geass, they never give positive cues regarding a plot twist. Instead, they don't give out any negative cues that will make it impossible, and if you find a plot direction that isn't impossible but completely unpredictable, then that is where CG is going to go.

RyougaZell

Sun, 08-31-2008, 02:47 PM

Shit... what an episode... what an episode!!!

So I guess this answers the questions of why Marianne seemed so calm... she never did care about her children... and that is why CC abandoned her... I think.

I think it was a bit rushed for Lelouch to discard his mother just like that, when she was always a big part of his determination, but the loss of Nunnally and the betrayal of not only the emperor but his mother as well must have been very shocking.

The end was awesome... so I guess now Schneizel will attack the new emperor... but... what will the Rounds do? Gino doesn't look happy... but they are supposed to server the emperor... and where is Anya?

The preview makes me think Kallen is visiting Lelouch...

And I was hoping for Lelouch to say something about freeing the Numbered countries since Suzaku has agreed to be his Knight... what will the traitors... errr... the Black Knights do? I do hope Kallen leaves them and joins Lelouch... what are his intentions now???

OMG... the series finale will be amazing at this rate...

Ryllharu

Sun, 08-31-2008, 03:02 PM

Charles and Marianne's little plan was certainly the most innovative and unpredictable in all of anime.
/sarcasm

How many times have they done Instrumentality as some evil mastermind plan to make world peace? (Using the most prominent label for this now-cliche plot) To be honest, I expected a lot more out of this series that to cop out with that. Fortunately, they were able to stop it and jump the shark by having Lelouch Geass God.

I just don't know what to think about this series anymore.

I'm sure this post will earn a down rep (my similar complaints about the last episode certainly did), but I can't be the only one who thinks this series has gone way too overboard, and just makes a series of HOLY SHIT Moments in lieu of actually resolving anything anymore.

David75

Sun, 08-31-2008, 03:23 PM

Everon

Sun, 08-31-2008, 03:34 PM

Wow, talk about condensing two or three episodes into long poorly crafted monologues.

Ryllharu

Sun, 08-31-2008, 03:50 PM

Fair enough.

I wouldn't be making nearly as much "stupid whining" if this series had not turned to shit the last few episodes. I'll even back up my whining with appropriate examples.

Where's all the intelligent, elaborate planning that season 1 was know for? It's all skin of the teeth, last minute turns of the tide. Schniezel seems to be the only one still thinking worth a damn in the series. It wasn't that great after China, but after Lelouch lost the Black Knights, he's just been plowing through everything with "OBEY ME" Geass commands.

There's no battle strategy anymore either. When it was once, "use the terrain, destroy the terrain, draw enemies into traps set well in advance, attack from the left, right and below in order to herd them into a vastly disadvantaged situation." You know the things Lelouch did in season 1, and the same stupid shit he was falling for when Xingke used it on him? Since Xingke's last battle against the Black Knights, the series has fallen into, "flank from the north, and we will use this overpowered Knightmare conveniently modified/created by [insert scientist here] to destroy all enemy forces at our true objective."

I am aware there are four episodes left, but when was the last time they concluded a subplot without immediately switching to another Unforeseen TWIST:eek: (tm)? I suppose this would be one of them, but they only introduced Marianne formally last episode. Not a whole lot of time to actually develop her character, other than Lelouch deciding she was an uncaring bitch. I suppose the Everyone Hates Rollo sequence would be the last notable arc that was fully developed and concluded. If not for the quick flash between Milly and Nina, I wouldn't have a reason to suspect they'd even give her any more screen time and actually patch things up between the two of them.

Most of the things that made the first season so engaging are gone. They exchanged it for cliffhangers every episodes and off the wall plot twists that you can only foresee by thinking what isn't completely impossible (as shinta pointed out, but in a far less negative manner). Just like OP, they parade out the characters without giving them any development anymore, and keep adding more on pushing all the other ones aside.

I don't think I have the motivation to blindly praise each episode anymore, so if that leaves only criticism, so be it. If that is not welcome, then I do not believe I will be posting in these threads much anymore.

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shinta|hikari

Sun, 08-31-2008, 04:17 PM

While I also think that this episode was extremely rushed, I am not against the developments that have happened so far. It is not that the direction of the story is bad, but rather, it was not developed properly with better storytelling and pacing. As Everon said, it was poorly executed with a debate between father and son, which could have used an episode or two of build up instead of just "talking".

I also agree with Ryll about the lack of what made season 1 interesting, but that does not necessarily mean that more of the same will make R2 any better. I personally thought the battle with Xing Ke was well played out, with Lelouch being defeated because of his overconfidence as well as lack information (which he could not have obtained anyway).

The god-like mechas are there to keep action fans happy.

I am still reserving my judgment of this series until I see the ending. Four episodes means a lot in CG, considering how liable they are to cram stuff in each one. If they use the remaining episodes to tie up all loose ends and create a climactic battle between Schneizel and Lelouch, then a dramatic LelouchXC.C. ending, then all is well. Still, regardless of what happens and my criticisms against it, Code Geass will still be a great anime, which unfortunately, seems to be suffering from its competition with its own reputation.

R2 could have been twice as good with 12 more episodes, less time skips, better pacing, and more character development.

EDIT: A better topic of discussion would be, why did Lelouch decide to take the throne? What is he fighting for now?

Kraco

Sun, 08-31-2008, 04:33 PM

Ryllharu, you have every right to be personally disappointed, but it's not really the series fault if it didn't meet your expectations. And while I myself agree the first season had better subplots it does not serve to neglect to notice the setting changed as well. The first season was mainly smaller scale local fighting in Japan whereas this second season is nothing but international politics. So, the focus shifted from tactics to politics, which seemed to lead to a degeneration of what battle tactics there were left, unfortunately, but since they aren't anymore the focus it's also somewhat understandable.

In my opinion it was also a long time ago established Charles didn't give a damn about the mundane world. He was thinking it's all the same what happens because his big plan will fix everything afterwards. And what could such a plan be? I don't know what exactly you had in mind, but I think this was pretty much what lay at the end of such a road, especially considering the hints dropped here and there.

Ryllharu's bitter complaints aside, I think this was an immensely interesting episode. I kind of hoped something more to happen between Lelouch and C.C., though. Right now it's very hard to judge Lelouch's state of mind at all, as well as C.C.'s. Do they even desire anything anymore or are they just lingering in life due to a sense of duty of finishing what they began by defeating Charles and his plans?

enkoujin

Sun, 08-31-2008, 05:47 PM

A pox on those who neg rep'd me for my last post that was somewhat accurate in this episode.

Now, with the confirmation of this episode, looks like Nunally won't be coming back, unless at the R2's finale, as a theme to remind Lelouch of his work. Bringing that along, I would say that Lelouch has finally begun a path of an anti-hero, now that the theme of "lies" and "masks" has been repeated consistently. Lelouch is obviously in a state of denial and avoidance right now because of the twist of Marianne actually being alive, and the fact that she neglected himself and Nunally for their own selfish desires. God knows what he's doing, but since he has Suzaku on his side, it is safe to say that Lelouch and Suzaku have finally compromised with each other and melded each other's ideologies. It is also doubtful that Suzaku was geass'd again to be his Knight, but the explanation of Lelouch's second geass hasn't been explained yet.

However, that is both advantageous and disadvantageous in some aspects, as siding with Suzaku will mean that Lelouch will have new enemies. The OBK (and the Japanese) for one, which has always had a diverging opinion on Suzaku, and Schneizel & Co. (includes Knights of Round?), for a clear reason that Schneizel had always wanted to create a world of his own. However, it is not clear which side the Knight of Round will take in this, since Gino dislikes Schneizel and doesn't seem very loyal to Lelouch (who would be at this point?). Bismark is another story, because no one knows what he's thinking!

While the possibility of David75's theory seems very plausible, I have a prediction that Lelouch and Nunally were Charles and Marianne's plan "C". I mean, there's the fact that Lelouch and Nunally were the next targets in V.V's slaughter, but there must be more to the story of this. Of all the women and mistresses and their children, why did V.V only kill Marianne and why did Charles only save Lelouch and Nunally? Of all the heirs to the throne (amount seen in the last segment of the episode), why save only Lelouch and Nunally? If Marianne was neglectful of her own children, she probably wouldn't have given a damn about what happened to them, right? She never even mentioned anything about Nunally's death.

08:14: "You have to push away what you really treasure." - C.C

Of course, this would have to show how much brilliance these two have, to even use Lelouch as a pawn - if it were to ever happen.

With the story advancing on as a global scene, it is hard to coordinate local battles if led by Lelouch, Kraco. With the world stage set on Lelouch, it's clear that the writers have dropped tactics for policy and prioritize more on the progress of Lelouch's character and goals. Who knows what he's going to do now? It's been a month since FLEIJA was fired, with a day that took place during the Lelouch-Charles-Marianne confrontation. So with 30 days planning, who knows what's going to happen? IMO, it's going to be Lelouch's downfall from here, with Schneizel as his greatest obstacle - maybe the OBK too for irony.

I also like the irony with Diethardt in the background when Kannon said "well, he has risen in status through betrayal before".

Inazuma

Sun, 08-31-2008, 06:20 PM

Lelouch got his Geass of Hax, now he can Geass the fuck out of mankind himself and geass the gods too.

Well lets stop Listening to Scheinzel because no matter the ep, the end is always the same.
"Mmmmhhh good, exactly what I needed"

Now, Lelouch HAS TO WIN, because he pwnd Britannia with a rebel state a cheap Geass and one ally. Now he got the world for him, Uber Geass Mod Activated and the world at his feet.

If Scheiznel wins now, people writting CG will have to be fired.

RyougaZell

Sun, 08-31-2008, 06:48 PM

VV only killed Marianne because she agreed with Charles. Most probably she was also the only 'queen' who knew about Charles plans.

Rewatching the preview I believe that Kallen is walking besides Lelouch, meaning (hopefully) she has sided with him once again... or at least she is there trying to confirm her own purpose as she said on this episode...

30 Second Preview
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wl36bui7-EQ

oyabun

Sun, 08-31-2008, 07:18 PM

I wonder how the OBK will react, now that the "deceiver" they betrayed is now the emperor of the most powerful nation.

MFauli

Sun, 08-31-2008, 08:12 PM

Well, i agree on about everything Ryhallru wrote.

There´s a word that describes this 2nd season perfectly: Rushed

The 2nd season started okay. Maybe you remember how i, back then, complained about how Lelouch keeps losing, that it´s annoying how there´s a lack of his awsomeness that the 1st season delivered. And instead of showing a smooth turn-around, we kept getting uber-rushed episodes, with scenes happening everywhere, anytime, showing finalized outcomes instead of showing HOW it evolved into all that. Little example: Last episode, where Lelouch, being completely alone, suddenly had gathered a whole army, infected by his Geass. In season 1 they´d have shown how Leloch actually gets these people under his control and the episode would end with Lelouch showing off in front of "his" army. In season 2, however, they just said "here you have it", so that they could include 2, 3 or more important developments within a single episode.

Oh, and one direct complaint towards today´s episode (which could also fit into my above complaint): At the end of the episode, Lelouch simply used his Geass to make the people acknowledge him as the new king. MEH! That so....un-creative. And it could be even a disadvantage in the future. He can only use Geass once on a person. Now he used it on all the important people. And he made them "admit that he´s the king". Well, admitting, that some is the king doesnt automatically mean, that they like that king.

But whatever, im excited to see what follows. Though i wouldnt like it if Schneizel all of sudden became the super-powerful enemy.

darkmetal505

Sun, 08-31-2008, 08:47 PM

hahahah,

what the hell just happened?

Lelouch, you're such a tease.

Board of Command

Sun, 08-31-2008, 09:42 PM

I really look forward to seeing how this series will end after all these -_____- episodes.

Destroy the world and everyone becomes a singular existence! ...ugh

Idealistic

Sun, 08-31-2008, 09:48 PM

Man... This episode was awesome!!

But then seeing C.C's sad face at the end got me wondering why she's sad. Perhaps Lelouch is starting lose himself with his geass?

I didn't expect him to announce things just like that though, and then geassing everyone.

masamuneehs

Sun, 08-31-2008, 10:03 PM

it's rushed, sure, but that's what happens when you tell a guy "yeah, that idea of yours is going to be a 24 episode show". then a few months later, "actually, we're making crap loads of money, make it last 24 more episodes." then a few months later, "Oh, and we're pushing up the air date of those last 24 episode, so get them done quickly."

so, yeah, considering it's rushed, it's still enjoyable. somehow i'm reminded strangely of Disc 2 of Xenogears...

Schneizel is cool. Of course, this all hinges on him not having Geass, which, as far as R2 is concerned, is something a good quarter of the world population has... If he tries to oppose Lelouch, who he LET take over Britannia, has Geass and Spinzaku, with just his own wits and resources, then god bless the man, even if he will lose in the end.

Schneizel took no steps whatsoever to stop Lelouch. He knew right away that Emperor Chuck had bought the farm, and it took Lelouch a full month to make his little move (Diethard would have got him in there in a week's time, tops). Knight of One, all weepy at losing his master, tells people that Chuck is missing, but clearly doesn't tell them that he knows he's dead. Schneizel makes no move to grab the throne. He doesn't even try to warn the other nobles about what he KNOWS is going to happen when Lelouch tries to take the throne. He takes his vital personnel and holes himself up in Cambodia.

I smell the FLEIA warheads! Besides, the only thing this series needs to complete the Sunrise villain cliche gauntlet (know that Instrumentality has failed) is a blond baddie to try for an old fashioned "reset the world with a colony drop". Wait, no space colonies? Ok, then a big motherfucking FLEIA, or just lots of them. Japan <3s nukes.

Here's hoping Ohgi gets pwned. I hate to see Diethard go down, but, oh well... All the Black Knights (except for Kallen, dumb love struck pawn that she is) will probably buy the farm, either opposing Emperor Lulu or trying to help him once they realize OMFGBBQCHIPSALLUPONMYHAMBURGERSCHNEIZELISABADGUY!! !

of course, i have no idea how this mindfuck of a show will turn out. Jeremiah's Geass canceller has got to come into play again, right? And the Chinese dude has to bite it in the middle of some important battle, so that means China will have to come back into all of this someway.

And I know that all the nobles are just pissed that they got a fast one pulled on them, but hadn't they been listening to Chuck's speeches? All about "the strongest survives and is the best" "Britannia is for the strong" "Shit I'm dead, whoever killed me must be the strongest" Come on folks.

Now, a few predictions:

Schneizel tries to become the new Zero, except sans the mask, and reveals to the world all sorts of bad stuff about Lulu. On a nightly basis he assfucks Kannon while Diethard films.

Kallen gets a chance to kill Lelouch (which he creates), but doesn't, and joins him instead (which he knew she would). She has some tension with still emo C.C. about who will get to be Lulu's boo, but it really doesn't matter, because we all know the only girl he was ever seriously interested in was his sister. Kallen pwns Gino.

OBK try to go after Zero, but he tells them, "dudes, chill, you can have Japan." Ohgi and Diethard try to get people to side with Schneizel, but it's no good. Schneizel uses FLEIA (or other large nuclear based baddie weapon) on their asses. Now he really looks like the bad guy. Ohgi and Viletta confess their feelings for each other, just before they die (or escape to start a new life somewhere, lame motherfuckers).

Toudouh dies, probably at Suzaku's hands. Or trying to protect Suzaku. Whichever is more dramatic.

The Ganymede rolls out, under Schneizel's command. It's got either a super FLEIA or the ability to FLEIA all sorts of points on the earth that are vital to the Lifestream, er, Jupiter, er... whatever the fuck Lulu Geassed this episode.

Spinzaku + Kallen > Knight of One.

Kannon gets a pink mech that pwns all until he suddenly faces a pilot that the writers had forgotten about and use their fight to conclude both of their insignificant roles. I'm betting on the Chinaman.

Lulu confronts Schneizel directly. He tries to confused him with some fancy words, which Lulu almost seems to accept, then doesnn't. (or if they writers are dropping the bad acid that week, they'll give Schneizel Geass and will do an epic 'bad guy trying to use illusions to confuse the hero' BS)

Nunnaly comes back (as Schneizel's trump hostage card) AS A ZOMBIE!

bit too far...? I swear though, we haven't seen a body yet... and don't give me that crap about nukes not leaving bodies. This is a Sunrise show, and no character ranked Rolo class or above dies unless they get some long ass, teary or uplifting speech.

Or Lulu pulls a Harry Potter book 7, gets to sit and have tea with Nunners, who is depicted as not a blind crip, inciting avalanches of LuluxNunners incest loli hentai. Then Lulu gets sent back (Nunners uses her Geass on him, which can return people back to life, but she can only use it once!) and pwns Schneizel. CC decides to stop being emo and is happy to be by Lulu's side as his #1 boo. Kallen gets with Suzaku (you know it's gonna happen)

Somehow i feel this prediction makes too much sense and isn't absurd enough to actually be done by the CG guys...

RyougaZell

Sun, 08-31-2008, 11:03 PM

Lol... I can see most of masa's predictions coming true... except the geass returner to life and Kallen getting with Suzaku. She will get it with Lulu as soon as CC fulfills her wish and finally dies.

Kraco

Mon, 09-01-2008, 12:38 AM

With the story advancing on as a global scene, it is hard to coordinate local battles if led by Lelouch, Kraco.

Why the heck did you point that at me, eh? I wrote the same thing first...

At the end of the episode, Lelouch simply used his Geass to make the people acknowledge him as the new king. MEH! That so....un-creative. And it could be even a disadvantage in the future. He can only use Geass once on a person. Now he used it on all the important people. And he made them "admit that he´s the king". Well, admitting, that some is the king doesnt automatically mean, that they like that king.

We don't even know what he's planning. Does he intend to remain an Emperor of everything, or does he intend to let Britannia crumble, freeing all the subjugated nations? Whatever command he gave to all those foolish bastards, it probably served his plan well because he's Lelouch, the master of plans in this series.

Buffalobiian

Mon, 09-01-2008, 12:48 AM

It is also doubtful that Suzaku was geass'd again to be his Knight, but the explanation of Lelouch's second geass hasn't been explained yet.

Duel-eye geass = SS Geass, not two separate geass powers. What was with C.C's warning when she first gave him the contacts? She warned him that the Geass will get more powerful, and Lelouch said he'll finish everything before then. Now his Geass is enhanced. What to do? Use two contacts. C.C. frowning like that hints that things aren't so simple though. Perhaps you get swallowed up by the power?

Downfalls of R2 aside (It has lost it's flair), I loved this episode. To whoever said above about "why did the emperor not save his other sons/daughters", he only needed to hide the children who were connected to Marianne, and hence V.V.

Edit: Oh, and I lolled at Marianne's attempt to graffiti Suzaku's face.

Edit2: Knight of Zero was a well done pun, I think. And as most people have guessed, Knight of One has a geass, as can be seen in the preview 23:39

David75

Mon, 09-01-2008, 03:50 AM

Yup, Knight of One has a geass and sealed it in a pretty Barbaric manner:D

Regarding Lelouch's Geass, we do not know what are his new possibilities and limitations. We do not know if the "use once only" limitation is still there.

And yup, CC is sad, very sad. I prefered her "Girl meets pizza" face.

Kraco

Mon, 09-01-2008, 04:05 AM

C.C.'s sadness is indeed ominous. In the past she was privy to Lelouch's plots and thus no matter what was happening she knew where they were going ultimately (or ironically enough knew even better than Lelouch himself). If that hasn't changed, then her expression is a dire sign of a dim future. If, however, the reason for her forlorn expression is uncertainty of Lelouch's plans, that's no better because it would indicate Lelouch sidelined her, and that's the worst thing that could happen.

Thus I hope what's behind it is no more than distaste of what must be done, and sadness it has to go that way.

Buffalobiian

Mon, 09-01-2008, 05:53 AM

*bump because the package didn't have a cover*

http://img126.imageshack.us/img126/2204/codegeassr2ostartof7.jpg

RyougaZell

Mon, 09-01-2008, 08:55 AM

If Lelouch indeed sidelined her it was because she agreed with Charles' plans, at least for a while.

animus

Mon, 09-01-2008, 09:20 AM

Anyone notice that apparently Cornelia's arm is completely fine in this episode, ie not in that bondage-type sling anymore.

ChaosK

Mon, 09-01-2008, 10:28 AM

HOLY CRAP! :eek:

Suzaku's legs are still stronger than steel!!!!!

Right...in all seriousness now, Schneizel still needs to do something nice and evil that can qualify him as the "final boss".

NeoCybercoin

Mon, 09-01-2008, 12:33 PM

Nah I'm sure those spears are just harderend plastic >_>;

lelouch

Mon, 09-01-2008, 05:42 PM

I think C.C. is sad because lelouch is turning into her past self, geassing everyone in sight to acknowledge them, except the C.C. made everyone like her, and lelouch is making everyone accept him as king.

Hopefully he catches his error soon and doesn't geass the whole world into acknowledging him as king, that would totally destroy the show as many have mentioned, as in season 1 he would use strategies and tactics rather than 1337 hax (most of the time).

I am really wondering if lelouch geass'd suzaku. I really hope he didn't, because if he did, he could've saved himself A LOT of trouble and just done it in the beginning of the series in the warehouse.

I have a feeling that Orange's geass cancelor is going to come into action soon.

I am wondering what lelouch is going to do with his newfound control of brittannia. What of the U.N.?

My prediction is that seeing as how the black knights havent revealed zero's death to the world yet (correct me if I'm wrong), Shneizel will take on the role of Zero. This will be very ironic as if you look at it like a chess match between lulu and shneizel, it is like they are just switching rotating around the chess board.

However, even if Shneizel does take on zero's role, Lelouch still most likely will have Kallen and Orange on his side, both of whom are very valuable allies. Xing-ke will also probably find out that Lelouch is zero and join him.

I am curious as to whether or not Lelouch will reveal to the world that he was in fact zero, or if Shneizel will beat him to it.

The one thing I am praying for most though is that this doesn't end up ending like Death Note, with the main character completely changing and becoming a power-hungry psychopath who no longer thinks rationally and just goes out of control. It would be quite unsatisfying. If this series keeps going on the path it's already on, it will end up #1 on my list.

Buffalobiian

Tue, 09-02-2008, 02:45 AM

However, even if Shneizel does take on zero's role, Lelouch still most likely will have Kallen and Orange on his side, both of whom are very valuable allies. Xing-ke will also probably find out that Lelouch is zero and join him.

I have my doubts about Orange-kun, now that Cornelia and Schneizel's on their side. Say he's loyal to Lelouch, but I'm thinking the news will get to him that it's this guy who killed the revered Marianne.

Anyone notice that apparently Cornelia's arm is completely fine in this episode, ie not in that bondage-type sling anymore.

Now that you mention it, yes it seems the case. I have no explanation, besides that the arm was never fully dead. I don't suppose she could seek help neither, since the 2nd Princess of Britannia would be recognised world wide by friends and foe alike.

Kraco

Tue, 09-02-2008, 03:55 AM

They can build mechas capable of circus level acrobatics and fortresses hovering in the sky with whatever propulsion system, protected by energy shields, beam weapons based on some fancy theory... I don't think fixing an arm in a week is anything harder than a walk in a park for them anymore, even if the nerves were dead or whatever else would be a huge problem today.

Lelouch didn't really kill Marianne, just her ghost. A ghost that nobody but Lelouch, Suzaku, and C.C. knew existed. Schneizel might have known - he seems to know more than is good for him and learning even more - but only a fool would take his word alone as the truth (or tools like the BK people). I don't think Orange-kun is going to say: "Oh, it was like that? Damn that Lelouch! I'll kill him!"

KrayZ33

Tue, 09-02-2008, 06:04 AM

Zomg Spinzaku saved the day again, he was able to break steel with his legs
he must be the firstborn of Chuck Norris himself... another master of roundhouse-kicks

Suzaku destroyed the periodic table, because he only recognizes the element of surprise.
(Seriously... he jumped in from the roof (like 10 meters high) and there wasn't even a window where he could have entered... )

Suzaku was once a knight in King Charles court. He was known as Sir Beatdown.

This episode was great.....up to the point where Lelouch and Suzaku "killed" Charles and Marianne, but then they destroyed it with another "OH MY GAWD CODE GEASS!" moment again....

( and btw did anyone else the "pls cum on my face" - facial expression when charles was about to complete his plan?.. god I couldn't stop laughing)

masamuneehs

Tue, 09-02-2008, 09:39 AM

I think C.C. is sad because lelouch is turning into her past self, geassing everyone in sight to acknowledge them, except the C.C. made everyone like her, and lelouch is making everyone accept him as king.

My prediction is that seeing as how the black knights havent revealed zero's death to the world yet (correct me if I'm wrong), Shneizel will take on the role of Zero. This will be very ironic as if you look at it like a chess match between lulu and shneizel, it is like they are just switching rotating around the chess board.

the 'rotating ends of the chess board' seems to be a very interesting idea, and totally doable by CG standards... Schneizel holding up the white king piece at the end of this episode might suggest otherwise (unless, of course, he was about to resign it in order to start a brand new game)

CC is sad because she's still alive. She's just a hot emo bitch who didn't dye her hair black. Besides, she probably feels like she has nothing to live for now (Chuck and Marianne's plans have already been thwarted, she missed her chance to die). Most of her helpfullness seemed to come from her knowledge of the group that Chuck and VV were behind to make Geass users and the Thought Elevator, and since that's all gone now, even I wonder what exactly she'll be able to do.

I don't think Suzaku got Geassed again. And I still think Lelouch has a limit on his Geass of 'once per person'. Suzaku is still working to change the world from 'within the system', all that's changed is his uke for life is now the guy in charge of that system.

shinta|hikari

Tue, 09-02-2008, 09:49 AM

Hey, C.C. is probably the most capable female in the series overall (yes, including Kallen, Cornelia etc). She is capable of doing practically anything because of her immortality, from piloting Knightmares, fighting, giving tactical advice, saving Lelouch's ass by being a human shield, leading the OBK when Zero is gone, mind fucking, giving out geass, eating pizza indefinitely, the list goes on. In fact, the reason why Lelouch got so screwed these last few episodes was because she was out of commission.

EDIT: I forgot to mention that she is the hottest girl in the show to add to her credentials. If you don't believe me, check this thread.
CG hottest babe thread (http://forums.gotwoot.net/showthread.php?t=16180)

Kraco

Tue, 09-02-2008, 10:10 AM

Her hotness level will suffer considerably, though, if she turns into an emo living for nothing anymore, just looking sad and lingering on, hoping something would happen. A big part of her hotness was due to the reason she was mysterious and always seemed to know more than she told and was doing her own tricks here and there, for amusement or to advance things. Like your list said, she was more than a pretty face. But does she anymore have anything left to keep her up there? That's the question.

shinta|hikari

Tue, 09-02-2008, 10:53 AM

Its not just the mystery (which is still there, since we still don't know her true name) but the attitude that makes her hot. She is haughty and arrogant, and I don't think looking sad for a few seconds will change that fact.

RyougaZell

Tue, 09-02-2008, 11:59 AM

shinta... you are currently 1337-ed...

Guess CC finally took over your brain, life and soul.

Meh, I prefer Kallen.

Xrlderek

Tue, 09-02-2008, 03:23 PM

This episode was very entertaining. With everything and anything happening now, maybe Nunnaly will come back and stand up to Suzaku and Lelouch.

David75

Tue, 09-02-2008, 03:36 PM

This episode was very entertaining. With everything and anything happening now, maybe Nunnaly will come back and stand up to Suzaku and Lelouch.

Seems like she could even walk and see. We now know that the scene Lelouch remembers was a set-up.
I do not think Nunally faked her problems. But someone geassed her, maybe...

Buffalobiian

Wed, 09-03-2008, 03:16 AM

Seems like she could even walk and see. We now know that the scene Lelouch remembers was a set-up.
I do not think Nunally faked her problems. But someone geassed her, maybe...

I think her problems were genuine. Either the Emperor placed such traumatic memories into her that she went blind as if it was the real thing, or they simply made her "remember that she was blind". It is, after all, a psychological condition.

Talking about impairments, it seems Britannia's technology wasn't able to heal Nunnaly's legs, which I remember to be physically damaged. That will explain Cornelia's arm as well, but not why it's out of the sling now.

David75

Wed, 09-03-2008, 04:14 AM

I think her problems were genuine. Either the Emperor placed such traumatic memories into her that she went blind as if it was the real thing, or they simply made her "remember that she was blind". It is, after all, a psychological condition.

Talking about impairments, it seems Britannia's technology wasn't able to heal Nunnaly's legs, which I remember to be physically damaged. That will explain Cornelia's arm as well, but not why it's out of the sling now.

To me it could be a part of the set-up too.
After all, we've clearly seen that VV shot Marianne and the only other witness was Anya.

To me:
Lelouch has been geassed with that memory
Nunally has been geassed with the same memory and her legs and eyes were "deactivated" in her brain. That would explain why no one is able to heal her if the problem is purely geass related... But maybe they've been as far as really butcher her legs and eyes physically too...

I may be wrong, still it could be a real schocker to Lelouch.

Buffalobiian

Wed, 09-03-2008, 05:28 AM

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Tyreal

Wed, 09-03-2008, 09:53 PM

To me:
Lelouch has been geassed with that memory
Nunally has been geassed with the same memory and her legs and eyes were "deactivated" in her brain. That would explain why no one is able to heal her if the problem is purely geass related... But maybe they've been as far as really butcher her legs and eyes physically too...

Lelouch can't of been geassed with that memory since he has been exposed to the geass canceller, so he would of realised that his memory has been altered. As for Nunally the geass canceller would probably cure her blindness and medical technology might now be able to help her walk again, since remember the last time that significant resources were devoted to trying to help her were 10 years ago. And if that doesn't explain why Cornellia was able to have her arm healed and Nunally wasn't able to walk, all I have to say it's allot easier to heal an arm than it is to heal a spine.

David75

Thu, 09-04-2008, 12:02 AM

Lelouch can't of been geassed with that memory since he has been exposed to the geass canceller, so he would of realised that his memory has been altered. As for Nunally the geass canceller would probably cure her blindness and medical technology might now be able to help her walk again, since remember the last time that significant resources were devoted to trying to help her were 10 years ago. And if that doesn't explain why Cornellia was able to have her arm healed and Nunally wasn't able to walk, all I have to say it's allot easier to heal an arm than it is to heal a spine.

I had forgotten Lelouch had been struck with the anti-geass.
Yet the idea still wortks since Nunally hasn't been anti-geassed (I think).
Lelouch has seen the setup scene: Nunally placed under Marianne after the shooting.

David75

Sun, 09-07-2008, 09:06 AM

I'm currently downloading Nightspeed's version:

[Nightspeed] Code Geass - Lelouch of the Rebellion R2 - 22v2 [H 264 1280x720 AAC][D749A546] mkv 351 Mb @mininova (http://www.mininova.org/get/1779627)

I guess GG should arrive anytime soon.

Will update in case of problems with the file.

Have fun!

Sapphire

Sun, 09-07-2008, 09:35 AM

Okay, I think I'm totally going to marathon this now!!

I hope I get Ryl's undying respect for holding out this long! =D

Buffalobiian

Sun, 09-07-2008, 12:09 PM

[gg]_Code_Geass_R2_-_22_[D25D4020].mkv (http://xabin.mine.nu/gg-tracker/torrents/%5Bgg%5D_Code_Geass_R2_-_22_%5BD25D4020%5D.mkv.torrent)

Also on gg's tracker:
[schneizelXkannonOTP]_Code_Geass_R2_- 0.923_[Picture_Drama]_[Fabulously1080p]_[2E02E0E1].mkv (http://xabin.mine.nu/gg-tracker/torrents/%5BschneizelXkannonOTP%5D_Code_Geass_R2_-_0.923_%5BPicture_Drama%5D_%5BFabulously1080p%5D_% 5B2E02E0E1%5D.mkv.torrent)

David75

Sun, 09-07-2008, 12:11 PM

GG is there too.

[gg] Code Geass R2 - 22 [D25D4020] mkv 380Mb @ggkthx (http://ggkthx.org/Torrents/[gg]_Code_Geass_R2_-_22_[D25D4020].mkv.torrent)

All in all, that ep was less than interresting to me.

Hope it turns for the better later.

shinta|hikari

Sun, 09-07-2008, 12:29 PM

Well, we all knew it would happen, but you know who is back, and as an enemy too.

I wonder how Lelouch will react to all this, and what exactly do they mean when they say "destroy" the world?

Yukimura

Sun, 09-07-2008, 01:03 PM

Everything in this show continues to feel rushed. That whole Knight of Rounds gambit could have been stretched out and made more epic but instead we just got Suzaku Yamato in Strike Lancelot demonstrating how he is actually Jesus.

The end revelation wasn't that much of a shock but what happened slightly before that was. Schneizel just ass raped another entire city full of non-combatants. Somehow I don't think his gentle stand in would have approved of such a clusterfuck plus do we think the world would buy that they won't be next on FLEIA's target list considering Schneizel's already shown a willingness to spam it for all its worth...

David75

Sun, 09-07-2008, 01:12 PM

Also lelouch's outfit is plain ridiculous...

Buffalobiian

Sun, 09-07-2008, 01:31 PM

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Eclipse - Code Geass R2 - 22 XviD (http://torrents.no-sekai.de/eclipse/%5bEclipse%5d%20Code%20Geass%20-%20Lelouch%20of%20the%20Rebellion%20R2%20-%2022%20(XviD)%20%5bA5A22DB9%5d.avi.torrent)

RyougaZell

Sun, 09-07-2008, 01:40 PM

Damn... I was hoping Kallen to go with Lelouch...

Ryllharu

Sun, 09-07-2008, 02:01 PM

Also lelouch's outfit is plain ridiculous...
You didn't like Lelouch's nurse's cap? It looks more like Talim's hat from Soul Calibur IV, but in any case...utterly ridiculous. I think he ties with Suzaku though, the shear fabric on the shoulders make all the girls weak in the knees, I'm quite sure.

On the other hand, I'm glad to see C.C. return to her straight jacket outfit. That was always my favorite.

I fully expected Nunnally to open her eyes right at the end in a super-fabulous dramatic fashion, but I suppose that until Orange-kun gives her a little blast, that's still out of the question.

@Sapph:
That might have been true a few weeks ago, but not anymore in light of my comments in the past few episode threads. It's not something worth waiting for. It also seems that that sentiment is growing.

Sapphire

Sun, 09-07-2008, 02:18 PM

Ohsnaps! I will just have to keep watching.<3

Inazuma

Sun, 09-07-2008, 02:47 PM

Holy fucking break dancing shit.

I didn't saw that coming, I expected her to come back but not in this fashion.

NeoBear

Sun, 09-07-2008, 02:48 PM

Nunnally being alive.... some how i cant except that ...

Buffalobiian

Sun, 09-07-2008, 02:55 PM

I wonder how Lelouch will react to all this

From the preview, I'm guessing Lelouch goes flat, followed by Suzaku yelling shit at him. I believe his thoughts after that would be "I'm going to create a world that Nunnaly can live in", only now you add "Whether she wants to or not".

Yes, contradictory, but there you are.

Also what's with Bismarick saying that he thought he'd only have ot use it against Marianne, then die with the words "Marianne-samma....." *urgh*

Inazuma

Sun, 09-07-2008, 02:59 PM

Also what's with Bismarick saying that he thought he'd only have ot use it against Marianne, then die with the words "Marianne-samma....." *urgh*

Isnt it more like "Marianne-Sama no ..." - "Lady Marianne's ..."
Can guess that he used something that only she could do or a similar move I think.

Darknodin

Sun, 09-07-2008, 03:18 PM

There has to be a limit to how many surprises a show can have in a season... I really liked that episode, but this is starting to be ridiculous!

David75

Sun, 09-07-2008, 03:32 PM

I'm sure that with a little rewriting of the last 4 eps of season one and 4 OAVs they could have given us a far better show than this second season that is going down by the minute.

I'll watch it till the end, but somehow I'm sad this brillant show is missing it now.

Idealistic

Sun, 09-07-2008, 04:25 PM

I don't really understand this show anymore. I thought Lelouch's purpose of fighting was so that Japan could be free and him and Nunnally can live happily. Now he wants to takeover the world just because he thinks Nunnally is dead? And why is Nunnally so quick to become their enemy? And wtf is this whole Lelouch is going to kill a lot of people for? Why is that necessary? If he's the emperor, why not just declare Area 11/Japan free?

Board of Command

Sun, 09-07-2008, 04:49 PM

Kallen's diminishing role breaks my heart.

enkoujin

Sun, 09-07-2008, 06:01 PM

I thought Lelouch's purpose of fighting was so that Japan could be free and him and Nunnally can live happily.

It was.

Now he wants to takeover the world just because he thinks Nunnally is dead?

Well, after his conversation with Charles and Marianne, he wanted to deny their world, and with Charles revealing his plan that Schneizel will be trying to change the world, Lelouch didn't want that. So to stop one person from seizing a chance at changing a world you wouldn't like, why not grab it for yourself?

So as mentioned in gg's translations, he's gone on with a plan, "Requiem of Zero", to shape the world into the ideal world both Euphemia and what he thought Nunally had wanted. After all, it was partly, Lelouch's fault for both their deaths. This atonement Lelouch must have pledged had probably brought Suzaku and himself closer together to working aside one another. He followed Suzaku's way of "changing the system from the inside" as well as his own way of "destroying everything, and recreating anew".

And why is Nunnally so quick to become their enemy?

Schneizel, with his clever diplomacy, negotiation, and persuasion skills, who wouldn't become Lelouch's enemy under his hypnotic speeches? If he could turn the tables on Lelouch with Lelouch's high-tier staff, why couldn't he do it with his own blind half-sister? A month has passed since the FLEIJA warhead in Japan, with Nunally surviving it, and within that certain period, Schneizel probably bombarded Nunally with what was happening behind Nunally's back. The fact that Nunally had been betrayed nearly her whole life, and lied to by her closest friend (Suzaku) and her brother (Lelouch) influenced her decisions and viewpoints.

And wtf is this whole Lelouch is going to kill a lot of people for? Why is that necessary? If he's the emperor, why not just declare Area 11/Japan free?

Not sure which scene you're talking about. After Lelouch broke down the aristocratic system of Britannia where the elite had ruled, some aristocrats that weren't geass'd lost all their wealth and power. Without their power, why wouldn't these people fight back for it? So there had to be repressions on these rebellious people, otherwise there will be a shift back to the monarchy-aristocratic state.

If you're talking about the UN meeting, Lelouch killed "those people" (the soldiers/bodyguards) because they could have taken him down, as if Sumeragi wasn't already cynical enough of his actions. Then, there's the invasion of Britannian troops into Japan. Since Lelouch already became the emperor of Britannia, and the OBK had made no quick attempts at diplomacy to establish ties with the new Britannia, Lelouch might have thought of them as a threat. Now, since the UN "employs" the OBK as their main military organization, if Lelouch could take down the OBK, he can rule the world, as there would be no "clear" enemy at his standing.

Plus, he called off the colonization of Japan already. It's already liberated, but it was part of all his plan for everyone to have a better view of Lelouch (which definitely worked, as exemplified by the people in Japan cheering for him), which allowed Lelouch to commence his operation to rule the world.

The reason Schneizel is even letting Lelouch take over the world right now is that he's playing the "bait out" card. He's letting Lelouch having everything, and once he's at the top, Schneizel would swoop in and take everything back, which leaves Lelouch in a most humiliating defeat - usually a plot device of "a fate worst than death". Best example I could think of would be that of the orphaned boy-Carter Pewterschmidt scene of Family Guy where they filled out the paperwork to adopt an orphan boy and taunted the orphaned boy with gifts inside the car before driving off, leaving the orphaned boy just devastated.

animus

Sun, 09-07-2008, 06:20 PM

I bet Schneizel and Cornelia are fucking.

darkmetal505

Sun, 09-07-2008, 06:26 PM

I bet Schneizel and Cornelia are fucking.

Haha, exactly what I was thinking.

Ugh, Nunally is back, although it was expected to happen. Schnizel out maneuvered Lelouch again.

DeathscytheVII

Sun, 09-07-2008, 06:41 PM

I'm kinda surprised that Lelouch didn't make it his first priority to make more use of the Fleias and keep track of all of them, a pretty careless mistake on his part.

Of course, now we get to see whether or not Schneizel can stand up against the ultimate god-like alliance of Light Lelouch and Suzaku Yamato. The two have got to be one of the most formiddable team ups in anime history.

Funny, the Knight of Rounds were built up since the beginning of the season as the most powerful group of fighters in the world and Suzaku just owns them all within thirty seconds. Some things never change...

And god damnit...Kallen. =/ somehow with that kiss I think she's set on the path of the tragically killed girlfriend of all animes. :'( hope not, maybe she'll be the one who pulls the final trigger on Lelouch

Buffalobiian

Sun, 09-07-2008, 06:50 PM

And wtf is this whole Lelouch is going to kill a lot of people for? Why is that necessary? If he's the emperor, why not just declare Area 11/Japan free?

He's making himself the "Bloody Prince of Massacre" in history to shadow Euphie's deeds in the SAR or Nippon. He said it to Suzaku by the lake.

MFauli

Sun, 09-07-2008, 07:24 PM

Nice episode, but i hate the ending.

so now that Suzaku became acceptable, Nunally returns for the role of "fuck annoying character"?
Sorry, little blind girl, i dont like you, you´re ludicrous.

Also, i want to express how Lelouch is gay...he has to be. If i´d be Lelouch, i´d have fucked Karen long time ago.

NeoBear

Sun, 09-07-2008, 08:00 PM

I bet Schneizel and Cornelia are fucking.

wincest ftw

god i know its wrong think i been hanging around 4chan too much =/

RyougaZell

Sun, 09-07-2008, 08:00 PM

Kallen's diminishing role breaks my heart.

I share the pain. =/

I still have the slight hope she will side with Lelouch for the last few episodes against Schneizel before Lelouch ultimately dies...

There is no other way now... Lelouch is trying to unite the whole world against him... even Britannians... at least that is what I believe.

animus

Sun, 09-07-2008, 09:00 PM

wincest ftw

god i know its wrong think i been hanging around 4chan too much =/

You are not alone, my brother. You are not alone.

masamuneehs

Sun, 09-07-2008, 09:16 PM

Go Schneizel go!!! For a pure and blue world!!!!

Wait... this isn't Gundam SEED? Well, I couldn't really tell from how the Lancelot Albion fight with the Rounds went (seriously, weak stuff there. i agree with all the criticism doled out by others)...

I was under the impression that Schneizel nuked China because they had FLEIA, or something like that... The entire bit with Lelouch, CC and Suzaku (sexy full length armored gloves, btw! gotta get me some yaoi with him wearing those... ) crpytically talking about Schneizel's plan and connection with a previously NEVER mentioned entity that, you know, just does small stuff like... mass produce nuclear warheads... That whole part was confusing, and it felt like they didn't explain the origins of FLEIA (before Nina got involved) just so they could have Schneizel nuking China as part of a 'surprise!' ending

Gino, why won't you just die already?

Apprehending Nina was great, although Lelouch somehow knowing Rivalz would be the one to drive her, and take that old escape route (and that the Black Knights would set up their checkpoint where they did...) was all gas. Now he'll get the access codes to shut down FLEIA or some other BS whenever Schneizel decides he's done not being the villain.

Also, the villain. I think it's way too early to say that Lelouch Yagami Vi Britannia is really the villain. Maybe it's because I simply can't digest his corrosively illogical reasoning for becoming 'the emperor of massacres'. So you're going to do it, once again, "for Nunnally" (+ Euphie to make the boy-toy happy). But you're not going to do it like you KNOW she'd have wanted it done. No, that would make to much sense! You're going to do everything Euphie and Nunnally stood against, in the hopes of overshadowing their great mishaps (which you caused in the first place), so history might not look on them with contempt. In short, you're doing it for their personal pride and honor, two things that both Nunnally and Euphie always showed that they didn't care about. And you're going to achieve this thing that they wouldn't have ever concerned themself with by doing all the things they hated. For them. Wow. The writers took the bad acid, for sure.

His actions are another thing. Holding the UN at gun point is pretty stiff evidence that he wants to martyr himself, but might it have been a ruse? I think he'd have done well to wait a few years and bide his time until the rest of the world didn't see him as such a threat anymore... Of course, Sunrise refuses to animate anything involving main characters who are over 20 years old.... Sure, it sounds good, breaking down the musty old nobility system. But when you're Geassing room fulls of people just to get your way, doesn't it leave any kind of doubts? Guess he wasn't listening to CC when she told her story about how unfulfilled she felt when using Geass to make people fall in love with her...

So Diethard gave Schneizel the slip? Or who? Why did that scene have 'important for next episode!' written all over it?

But rest easy. Lelouch's actions will be explained soon enough in a way that everyone in the show can sympathize with (and the pea-brained viewers also). Plus, there's material evidence in this episode that points, once again, to schneizel being the actual villain, not Lelouch. This evidence is the Damocles. If you're in the vicinity of the last five episodes of a Sunrise series, and you're riding around in a fortress, you're a bad guy. (Note: a massive and for all intents and purposes invincible battleship is not a fortress. That's what Sunrise good guys always fight in in the climax battle. If it looks like a floating castle/Death Star, it's the bad guy riding in it).

Also, Schneizel will lose. Maybe his side will win (Lelouch makes a sacrifice play with his 'King' even though you CAN'T PUT YOUR GODDAMN KING IN CHECK! GODDAMNIT! but schneizel will lose or die. This is because he played his final trump card far too early (Zombie Nunnally). Should have pulled it out during the actual decisive battle. Imagine, the final battle is raging, both sides seem evil (Schneizel using FLEIA and Lelouch still manipulating people just like old Emperor Chuck). Suzaku is spin-kicking his way towards victory for his boo Lulu (also, what do you guys think? Is Suzaku the pitcher or the catcher? It's pretty hard to tell. I go back and forth. On one hand, Suzaku has dressed in drag and seems to love 'submitting' himself to others. On the other hand, Lelouch's reluctance to forcibly control Suzaku strongly suggests he wants Suzaku to be the only person out there to 'be his seme'. And- huh? what? scenario? Oh yeah...

So imagine it's the final battle. Sparkling lights. Pretty explosions. Spinzaku doing the deed, day looks grim for Schneizel, moral ambiguity on all sides as to who is actually good and who is bad, etc, etc. Then, just as Schneizel's fortress is about to get spin-kicked to death, he pulls out the Trump Card, Nunnally. She says some very mean things to Lelouch and Suzaku. Somehow this convinces other people that Lulu has, as Nunners is saying, a very bad person, and they attack him. Heck, have her open her eyes and do a 'Un-Geasser', very dramatic and all. Lulu is totally shocked and suddenly sees that he's done wrong, but it's too late, and he dies dramatically. You get your 'hero was actually the bad guy once he let his power go to his head and forgot the real reasons behind his initial agenda' ending, and no Nate River involved.

But why am I talking about this? Nunners did show. It'll be the last great move Schneizel makes. Once they get flying final battle fortresses, "genius" Sunrise villains suddenly do everything wrong. Oh well, he's at least a breath of fresh air from the standard villain fare.

Only really decent scene in this episode was Lelouch meeting Kallen again. A little too much angsty talky-talky (oh, and she's so going to turn and join Lelouch in the end. Maybe at the cost of her own life, but...)

It's still a marvelous show, even if R2 has been disappointing towards the end. This whole thing could very easily have been 100 episodes. Maybe 75.

shinta|hikari

Sun, 09-07-2008, 10:16 PM

Is it for power? Or status? Or is it just a game? Kallen is as clueless as always. It is almost as if she does not know Lelouch at all, which is what she seems to believe.

The goal for Lelouch becoming the "emperor of massacres" is not to overshadow the deeds of Euphy. That is merely a coincidental result of what he is really trying to achieve. It probably involves a direct confrontation against Schneizel and whatever his plan is.

Aside from that, I think Lelouch is planning to make himself the world dictator, only to be taken down by the world so that everything can begin at zero (zero requiem). This makes sense from Lelouch and Suzaku's psychological perspectives since they both believe they deserve punishment, and are willing to sacrifice a lot of blood, including theirs, to get that result (as Lelouch said to Kaguya in the episode).

I am actually surprised people ever doubted Schneizel was going to be a villain. I know he is likable, but from his very first appearance, he was exuding final antagonist vibes, especially with how he handled Cornelia in S1. There is nothing wrong with liking a villain anyway.

I doubt Schenizel is going to screw up too much. It will probably go against Lelouch until some turning point near the end.

And... when will we find out about C.C.'s name?

masamuneehs

Sun, 09-07-2008, 10:22 PM

So this show is wrapping up, and I'm still a little confused. Who loves who? Seriously. Aside from 'every minor female character loves the main character', there's a ton of ambiguity in romantical relationships in this show.

So I'm interested in hearing what people have to say. Who do you think is in love with each other? Who isn't? Who do you want to be in love with each other? Any real backing for a gay love interest not named Rolo?

Oh, and this thread is clearly going to be up to date with the anime, so if you haven't watched, stay the fuck away.

I'll start with the big one:
http://pic5.flodeo.com/photos/5/AH/AB/harsoon/432160-3197626.jpg
C.C. and Lelouch
There's alot going on with this relationship. Kisses, room sharing, C.C. even forgetting about her life-long goal to die once Lelouch gets involved. But there's something missing... something... soft and fuzzy? C.C. seems to enjoy watching Lelouch grapple with his problems and emotions. Lelouch seems indifferent to C.C.'s bouts of emo depression. There's no sexual tension where there should be. To me, they're just partners. If anything, C.C. has feelings for Lelouch (it's his show after all), but not the other way around. And if he ever did fall in love with her, she'd probably stop loving him, because that's the exact thing she's sick and tired of in the first place.

Next:
http://img85.imageshack.us/img85/4426/suzalulu110701vq4.gif
Lulu and Spinzaku
Now now folks, remember, this is a CLAMP series. Also, Lelouch's behavior regarding Suzaku has always been stupidly emotional. For a cruel, logic-driven character, Lelouch pining over his child-hood friend as much as he does is mighty suspicious. Then you have Suzaku, who seems to love serving people and has a soft spot for Lelouch too. But once Euphemia comes and goes, you get the sense that if Suzaku ever did have those kinds of feelings for Lelouch, they die when he finds out what kind of person he really is. Of course, later they join forces, but it seems to be a bond born out of mutual grief for lost loved ones, and even though Suzaku would probably still put Lulu's weiner in his mouth if he was asked to, it's more friendship than anything.

http://i49.photobucket.com/albums/f277/jeanedwar/LJ%202007/12%20December/suxeu_wed.jpg
Suzaku and Euphie
Here we go. Now we're getting somewhere. It's hard to tell if this wasn't a couple based on shared values and nurtured by Suzaku's fondness to serve, or something more, but whatever the case, once Euphie kicked the bucket, it was safe to say that Suzaku was in love with her. He continues to crusade on in her name, and all very knightly shit like that. And she was a simple girl, so falling for the first guy to treat her just as a woman (and not as royalty) is a matter of typical anime course.

Cornellia and Schneizel
People in the episode 22 discussion sure seem to think so, but i just don't see it. They're together because they knew their pops was up to no good, but were smart enough to know not to tango directly with Zero and the Black Knights. Cornelia seems to be on-board for Schneizel's plan for having Nunners become Empress, but that doesn't make them romantically involved.

http://trainwreck.ggkthx.org/wp-content/uploads/2008/08/roses-290x209.jpg
Schneizel and Canon
Bringing a whole new meaning to the term 'canon gay'. I buy it, mostly because Canon doesn't seem to have any role whatsoever in this show aside from being Schneizel's little pillow biter. Also, when a character shows up at a party and tells people he's there to attend to all of the prince's needs, and then says "heehee, just kidding!" he is NOT kidding.
Also, I've been going to THIS place way too much (caution, may contain spoilers 5-6 hours before a Code Geass fansub release). but goddamn does it make me laugh
SPOILERS POSSIBLE YOU FAGS! http://trainwreck.ggkthx.org/ SPOILSSSSS

http://www.myblog.fr/albums/soft-yuri/TN2_1046616.jpg
Cornellia for Euphemia
Yeah, that's right. Corellia practically screams 'I'm a dyke!' Or maybe I just have misgivings about strong female characters who spoil their sister and shower them with affection while being cold as ice to the rest of the world. Sorry to Guilford here. Poor guy fell for a carpet muncher...

Rivalz and Nina?
I can't explain the weird way the two of them are coming together in these last few episodes. They'd be like grease and water, but maybe Rivalz is just desperate since he's been shot down by Milly so many times...

http://static.zooomr.com/images/4693210_a83af59e7d.jpg
Rolo for Lelouch
Clearly one sided, if anything. Part of me can't help but think that whoever had first showed Rolo affection, male or female, would have won him over. There's the issue of his 'Stop word' being 'Younger Brother' which suggests that he was even trained to submit to an older male who was close to him. Or maybe they were trying to see what kind of Stop word would be good for Rolo, poked around in his brains, saw the gay crawling around, and figured it was the best. And, no, I don't buy that it was 'dedication' or 'brotherly affection'. Rolo wanted the cock.

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Nunnally and Lelouch
Yes, wtf!? nosebleed indeed.
That's right. I'm a believer. Lelouch has a sister complex. She's his reason for doing all this shit in the first place. She's the one thing that can keep him in check. When she's threatened, he throws all rational thought out the door and risks everything to save her. He clearly has the most guilt about lying to her.
But, could it just be simple brother and sister affection?
Then, I'd ask you, why does Lelouch continue to turn down every single female that comes his way? He turns them down in droves. He sometimes pretends affection, but it's almost always to manipulate them into something or simply as an escape for when he's feeling depressed. (kissing Shirley in season 1, him hitting on Kallen in the middle of a Shinji Ikari emo-angst binge. But, hell, he was even about to shoot up on Refrain, and I think he'd have tried to seek 'comfort' with any female that came his way at those time...)
So, yeah, either he's gay after all, asexual, or he secretly wants to do his sister. That's my stance

Confirmed loved interests that i'm not going to address:
Kallen for Lelouch (but I still say she gets with Suzaku in the end)
Shirley for Lelouch
Rivalz for Milly (silly Rivalz)
Japan princess for Lelouch
CC for Pizza
Guilford for Cornelia (not a huge leap on this one...)
Marianne for Charles
Viletta and Ohgi
Nina for Euphie (tables everywhere still shudder at the memory)

shinta|hikari

Sun, 09-07-2008, 10:47 PM

C.C. definitely loves Lelouch. As you said, she even turned down her wish to die just because Lelouch asked her. Lelouch, though, seems to care for her as his closest friend and trusted confidant only, but that is because C.C. never seems to take any romantic initiative. If she put in any effort at all, I bet Lelouch would fall like a house of cards.

As for Lelouch, yes, he is a siscon. He always was, and he always will. That doesn't mean he can't get it on with other girls, just that, they have to settle for second place onwards.

Unfortunately, it seems Nunnally does not care for her brother as much a I thought. How could she be brainwashed by Schneizel into thinking that Lelouch is her enemy, when that very Lelouch fought and is fighting the whole world for her? Lelouch never cared for what was "morally" right (hooray for incest), which explains his actions (end justifies the means and all that), but it seems Nunnally is a genuinely good person like Euphy, which makes me hate her as much as I hate the tragic bloody princess.

Lelouch probably liked Shirley the most after his sister. All you have to do is look at his face when Shirley died in his arms.

I think you missed the Milly X Lelouch pairing. I personally like this pairing the most after the C.C. X Lelouch one.

Kaguya liked the "idea" of Zero, not Lelouch. She does not know the first thing about him.

The same goes for Kallen, not to mention she has doubted him numerous times even after Lelouch started genuinely caring about her. The sad thing is, she had the potential of knowing the most about him, but she always prioritized her own insecurities over anything.

C.C. x Pizza is still the best and most mutual pairing.

I will respectfully refrain from going into the yaoi ones.

enkoujin

Sun, 09-07-2008, 11:14 PM

More possibilities:

Sayoko (ninja-maid) x Suzaku from the picture drama! Thing is - she seems about 10 years older than Suzaku. If Sayoko and Suzaku had babies, the genetics of two athletes of such calibur would be equivalent to that of Snake and Samus's fictional offspring.

Milly x Shirley (+x Kallen x Nina) - picture drama, where Milly groped them all.

Lelouch x Euphemia, from when they were little, when they "played everyday" with Nunally

Lelouch x Anya. I heard there were doujins of these out somewhere, but I guess they've become more explicit with the fact that Marianne used Anya as a host.

Gino x Anya - both Knights of Round, and eccentric in their own ways.

Toudou x Nagisa. Kudos to Toudou for running away from a "developed" relationship.

Schneizel x Cecile - flirted, and Cecile asking for "punishment" from Schneizel.

Cecile x Lloyd - because they just haven't been talking enough apart from science and technical concepts.

Suzaku x Arthur (the cat) because interspecies relationships are never wrong.

RyougaZell

Sun, 09-07-2008, 11:24 PM

So Diethard gave Schneizel the slip? Or who? Why did that scene have 'important for next episode!' written all over it?

Only really decent scene in this episode was Lelouch meeting Kallen again. A little too much angsty talky-talky (oh, and she's so going to turn and join Lelouch in the end. Maybe at the cost of her own life, but...)

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I believe the one that left was Anya.

I hope Kallen does go to him... especially since the opening shows Gurren and Lancelot fighting together. And about her dieing... well... anyway can die at this point so I can't say she can't die... but I hope she doesn't.

And... when will we find out about C.C.'s name?

Probably while dieing at Lelouch's arms after saving his life giving him her code or something like that.

Or maybe over Pizza with the survivors.

RyougaZell

Sun, 09-07-2008, 11:40 PM

At this point in the series I believe Lelouch has closed what was left of his heart and none of the female stand a chance of being with him. Rather... among the closest one to him, Kallen and CC, CC has the most changes (which are almost none) thanks to their contract. As Shinta said here (or in the episode 22 thread... dunno...) she has a lot of insecurities regarding her beliefs and whatever.

But even so... I still prefer Kallen x Lelouch.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v241/RyougaZell/kallenlelouch.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v241/RyougaZell/KallenxLelouch_by_KallenUriko214.jpg

shinta|hikari

Mon, 09-08-2008, 12:46 AM

Let's hope it's the second.

animus

Mon, 09-08-2008, 07:09 AM

I wonder if we'll get to see Schneizel with a psychotic look or a distraught one (like the one Lelouch had when he found Nunnally to be alive). I just can't really imagine him with a face like that.

Anyways the later part of this series has been somewhat of a letdown. Sure it's still good and all, but all these characters are basically reduced to nothing and even the final antagonist, Schneizel really is not fleshed out all that well either. All the Knights, where we got to see maybe 5-6, and the rest go without names. Xingke reduced to a role most unfitting, same with Kallen, same with C.C., Cornelia, Rakshata, Diethard, etc. It's just way too rushed. It's basically boiled down to a jumpy mindfuck that focuses on Lelouch and Suzaku Yamato. It's probably what they wanted, but it's a reason why the series has been getting poor ratings as of late.

shinta|hikari

Mon, 09-08-2008, 07:22 AM

I have to agree with the not enough C.C. part.

I just hope they don't exclude C.C. from the ending.

Shinji Ikari

Mon, 09-08-2008, 07:36 AM

I seriously don't understand Nunally, It's okey for her to support Cornelia and Schnizel, but it's not okey to support Lelouch and Suzaku? Cornelia is among the most war-crazy people there are, and Schnizel is just a pure hypocrite.

The ONLY reason Schnizels ambitions are possible is because Lelouch has already done ALL the dirty work. And the ONLY reason Nunally can pursue her happy go lucky world is because Lelouch has destroyed the Emperor, something that no one else could ever have done, EVER.

They are talking bullshit and Nunally should just disappear!!! Period!!!

shinta|hikari

Mon, 09-08-2008, 07:59 AM

I am also pissed at the fact that Nunnally seems to completely believe the lies Schneizel fed her. Is one month of convincing enough to make you turn against someone that has taken care of you his entire life? I am looking forward to seeing Nunnally's face when she realizes the big (half) brother she chose nuked 45 million people (plus the casualties of the new FLEIA bombing) and smiled when it happened.

RyougaZell

Mon, 09-08-2008, 08:47 AM

If the new FLEIJA was bombed on Pendragon... does it mean they killed Oddyseus and the rest of the royal family?

Wonder what the United Nations (and by proxy the traitorous OBK and Kallen) will think when the news of a new FLEIJA gets public... even with Lelouch trying to 'conquer' them by force...

I mean... what will they fear most? Lelouch with his geass... or Schneizel with a stupid blind girl with the FLEIJA detonator on her hand? (based on 30 second preview)

masamuneehs

Mon, 09-08-2008, 10:28 AM

man, I understand hating on Nunnaly because she's basically NEVER done anything on her own (except maybe serve as inspiration to Lulu), but I think it's jumping the gun to say that Schneizel lied to her, or that she's exactly the same as she was before.

also, i just realized the preview i saw for 23 is an extended preview...
Code Geass Episode 23 extended preview (http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=c8cv3Qpzq1U)

You just might shit your pants.

and, not terribly funny, but...
http://img238.imageshack.us/img238/5563/motivator5711395fi7.jpg

RyougaZell

Mon, 09-08-2008, 12:10 PM

Yep. There is always an extended preview on youtube later on sundays. 12 new seconds of footage.

Everon

Mon, 09-08-2008, 03:43 PM

Wow. Fuck this. Sometimes I hate being right.

Sapphire

Mon, 09-08-2008, 03:52 PM

Totally worth marathoning, even though the last two eps are WTF? Here's my delayed thoughts.

Somehow in the mind chamber thing Zero and Suzuku are best friends and Zero has randomly been forgiven for EVERYTHING.
Suzuku is too pussy to fight Bismark IRL but he will fight him behind 3 tons of metal protection. Go figure.
I miss CC. Before she was arrogant, entitled, and clever. Then we got to temporarily see her cute, scared, subservient side. Now she is somewhat back to "normal" but she doubts everything. RIP. I miss Shirley too, but she became somehow even more one dimensional in the second season, until right before she died. Sob. Kallen is Kallen, I would prefer that Zero is alone at the end of the series for some originality, but who knows, CC might be killed off so he can appropriately be with Kallen in the end!
You think that most of the town would have been evacuated before the first FLEIA? Or did it all happen to fast to evacuate everyone? I mean if there is a massive arms battle happening on top of a town..
I still don’t get how the king and Marriane were “defeated”.
About Schneiz. You guys were commenting about him being a ‘good’ or bad guy. I can’t say that he is necessarily either, at least on the standards you guys are setting for him. Of course we have yet to know any “true” ambitions for him other than the fact that he’s just acting in Brittania’s/world/his interest (not unlike everyone else). He's just using people as pawns, not unlike Zero did, which explains why he doesn't give a damn who dies. I actually don't particularly dislike anyone right now, except maybe Zero and Suzuku, because they have dropped everyone to become, or at least appear to be allies. At least Zero is still calculating the capabilities of Suzuku like during the Bismark fight.
Nunnaly’s got to be just a tool. Agreed with Enko. No way she would agree to being on Schneiz’s side after he’s just busted out FLEIA. Or she's just stupid. But oh snaps. It's possible that she might just simply disagree with Zero without being brainwashed, and she too has decided to forge her own way into her and her countries future. Nahhh.

Sapphire

Mon, 09-08-2008, 04:17 PM

That's right. I'm a believer. Lelouch has a sister complex. She's his reason for doing all this shit in the first place. She's the one thing that can keep him in check. When she's threatened, he throws all rational thought out the door and risks everything to save her. He clearly has the most guilt about lying to her.
But, could it just be simple brother and sister affection?
Then, I'd ask you, why does Lelouch continue to turn down every single female that comes his way? He turns them down in droves. He sometimes pretends affection, but it's almost always to manipulate them into something or simply as an escape for when he's feeling depressed. (kissing Shirley in season 1, him hitting on Kallen in the middle of a Shinji Ikari emo-angst binge. But, hell, he was even about to shoot up on Refrain, and I think he'd have tried to seek 'comfort' with any female that came his way at those time...)
So, yeah, either he's gay after all, asexual, or he secretly wants to do his sister. That's my stance
That's possible. But if the series actually ends with him hooking up with his sister and running off into the sunset (think Honey and Clover) I will be highly disturbed. This and him confessing his love to either CC or Kallen (or Suzuku oh snaps) right before they and/or he dies are the only endings I will accept! Actually such an ending reminds me of Toward the Terra. *single tear*

Sadly, Lelouch will probably end up with either CC or Kallen by some sort of default. In fact I think that this is one of the reasons why Shirley was conveniently killed off.

However, I wouldn't go so far as to say that CC is in love with Zero, and Zero loved Shirley second best. Zero would freak out equally or more if either CC or Kallen died. A few eps ago CC commented on how 'unromantic' her and Zero's relationship was in light of the Chinese girl's let's just have a love orgy with Zero request. This doesn't imply if she's in love him or not, but yeah, we can all agree that she loves and highly values him. I can easily see them hooking up as a matter of circumstance.

I'd also like to mention Rolo x Lelouch. People were saying that Rolo deluded himself into thinking that Zero was JKing. However I believe that though Rolo has acknowledged that he is merely a tool, he thinks that all the time spent with Zero is worth it. So Rolo's luv > Zero's lies, even though Rolo might be aware of the fact that Zero never gave a crap about him. Well, Zero gave some crap about him, considering he was freaking out at Rolo killing himself (even though he was trying to kill Rolo all along, wait wut). So Rolo died to save Zero, knowing his uselessness, but still trying to delude himself into being of one last use to his beloved brother, even though he's realized that Zero doesn't give a crap.

Wait a sec, did everyone else forget Zero going: "Kallen... when this is all over.. you and me.." before CC conveniently interrupts them? Does... Zero... like a girl??! arggghghghh! Kallen and Suzzy also sounds typical, except for that one part where he went apeshit and tried to inject her refrain, and the part where he's taken her spot as Zero's #2 love (second to Nunny).