Code Geass: Lelouch of the Rebellion R2

[Ryllharu]

Great work shinta. Lots of laughs this time, but we did find out something interesting.

C.C. calls the Emperor Charuru as a pet name...

[Ryllharu]

I didn't think Kallen's boobs were that big though. I mean, I know they are large, but that looks more like one of Lelouch's half-sisters.

This one:
http://img504.imageshack.us/img504/3122/code20geass20r220201220iy7.th.jpg (http://img504.imageshack.us/my.php?image=code20geass20r220201220iy7.jpg)
[from eps 12, courtesy of randomc]

Then again, it could be Kallen's captors finally decided to give her something to wear with the proper amount of support and lift.

[animus]

I think she's a knights of the round.

[Ryllharu]

Could be, since the Knight of One was there, but she does resemble an older version of Cornelia.

[shinta|hikari]

True. I was wondering why no one was posting about it, and I even blamed my translation if it was too vague. It was not explicitly stated, but unless there is another memory altering asshole out there, it has to be the emperor.

C.C. is V.V.'s predecessor, so it's not strange that she knows V.V.'s little brother as well. I just hope they are not blood related, which might make Lelouch a relative of C.C. (like grandson!?). Well, I don't mind a little incest though.

[RyougaZell]

What do you mean? The Sendspace link is still up. If you are referring to the sound episodes from S1, I think they are gone, sorry. I only have what is already posted in this thread.

Uhh... I thaught there was a part 2 of this release... but I misunderstood... the youtube links are the same 12min video separated in two... right?

[shinta|hikari]

Yep, but there is also indeed a part two (or rather, another episode entirely) included in the sound episode, titled Mousou Battle - Lelouch vs. Suzaku.

[Everon]

I'm thinking its Euphy and Cornelia's mother. She looks bitchy enough.

[animus]

That would be one amazing MILF

[Buffalobiian]

That would be one amazing MILF

Maybe. She looks like she would bite your **** off.

[Buffalobiian]

*bump*

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[NeoCybercoin]

Well...rather sad to see Shirley die. Great episode overall.

But..I was wondering if Lelouche's Geass got stronger again. I mean...he gave that order "multiple" times. And every time you saw the Geass acting like it was giving out an actual order. So..could this be that he can use it on someone multiple times? Or it was like that because she couldn't obey the order that he could use it again. =\

[Everon]

That would be one amazing MILF

Considering Kallen's mother, its not that hard to imagine. The animators for this show tend to make all the adult women look young.

[shinta|hikari]

Lelouch can release the geass any number of times, but that does not mean it has any effect on the target. This was proven when he tried the geass on C.C. on season 1.

[Carnage]

I just realized a plot hole. Why doesn't Lelouch just order his victims to do what ever he says? Then he can continue controlling them and have them do several tasks....

[shinta|hikari]

He could, he just doesn't most of the time. That is not necessarily a plot hole.

[Carnage]

In a sense it is...it would solve a lot of problems he's had in the past, especially in season 1.

[Kraco]

There might be a logical explanation for that, though it could seem a bit insubstantial when written here. The geass targets are forced to follow the order given when being geassed and can't resist that order. That alone could render secondary commands more prone to resistance because they won't anymore be given using geass. And furthermore when the geassed command given is very specific and time bound, the people don't look or act any different until the time or moment to perform the task comes. However, a geass "obey all my commands" would basically render those people Lelouch's slaves and it could very well be anybody knowing them previously would see they act in a funny way, like some broken peons just waiting for somebody's orders and lacking initiative.

[David75]

There might be a logical explanation for that, though it could seem a bit insubstantial when written here. The geass targets are forced to follow the order given when being geassed and can't resist that order. That alone could render secondary commands more prone to resistance because they won't anymore be given using geass. And furthermore when the geassed command given is very specific and time bound, the people don't look or act any different until the time or moment to perform the task comes. However, a geass "obey all my commands" would basically render those people Lelouch's slaves and it could very well be anybody knowing them previously would see they act in a funny way, like some broken peons just waiting for somebody's orders and lacking initiative.

Then I guess the order should be along the lines:
"Obey all my commands and live normally beetween commands"

Because it's true that otherwise the "slave" could remain litterally idle beetween orders, which is a bit annoying.

[shinta|hikari]

I'm more inclined to believe that Lelouch knows that most of the pawns he has used so far will no longer be of use at a later date. In other cases, he was still too inexperienced with the Geass (like Kallen). In the case of Orange, Suzaku (plus he loves this bastard) and Mao he had to speak the commands in public or in an emergency situation so giving such a complicated command would be inappropriate or impossible. In the case of Shirley, he simply cared too much for the target to corrupt their will (much like how he cares for Nunnally and did not want to take her by force).

We should not forget that Lelouch has to maintain eye contact to give the order, and if its a very complicated and long one, it might be dangerous since he is vulnerable and exposed for a long time, especially if one does not have much to gain. Lelouch is very well capable of using the geass in such a manner when he deems necessary, like he did with the Chinese ambassador (was it?) that Xing Ke pawned.

[Buffalobiian]

I'm siding with the fact that Lelouch doesn't want a line of slaves waiting to do his bidding.

As for the eye contact thing, it's not like he has to say his command before they turn away. Once he's got them in eye contact, all Lelouch has to do is fire his Geass, and he's got them. He's done that multiple times, and with his more detailed commands, like the sniper that was to take out the Vincent not too long ago, the Geassed stand there and listen to him until he's finished giving the order. Other times though, he uses it quickly as he speaks to make it go undetected.

I believe he might have issued an order similar to the "do as I say" one we're discussing. If you remember back to the butler fellow who made Lelouch his mask, he brought the completed mask for Lelouch to inspect, and afterwards, Lelouch comments "now all there is to do is destroy the evidence.", after which the butler promptly carries out. If we extrapolate that conversation, I think that it's very likely Lelouch gave more than one specific order to that guy. It may not have been "do as I say", perhaps more specific, like "help me make a mask", but for our purposes, it shows it's entirely possible for Lelouch to issue an order that leads to them taking more orders.

After all, his Geass is one that commands absolute obedience, regardless of the scenario.

[shinta|hikari]

About eye contact issue, what I meant was that he has to stay in eye contact with the target while giving the command. What if he got shot from behind or got interrupted?

[Narasho]

Lelouch should have Orange use his Geass Canceller on Suzaku. Then we may finally see him die!

[shinta|hikari]

He can still die with the geass you know. It might feel even better if he was trying his best to live when he gets tortured and killed.

That sounded a bit too personal, didn't it?

EDIT: I reconsidered your post, and realized you may be on to something. If Lelouch can get Orange to cancel the geass on Suzaku (should be easy enough, it seems to be a barrier range effect like Rollo), he can just use geass on him again, this time with the exact opposite command from the previous one.

[Inazuma]

Suzaku ? Dying ? Fine with me.

[KrayZ33]

but lelouch doesn't want suzuka to die... so this is pointless anyway

[shinta|hikari]

For now, but he might when the situation arises.

[David75]

For now, but he might when the situation arises.

I place my bet on an accidental cancel.
But I see suzaku heavilly injured at most, maybe dead only when nearing the end of the series.

[shinta|hikari]

Forgive the double post, but I believe this update warrants it.

Sendspace:
Battle of Delusions - Lelouch versus Suzaku (http://fs04n4.sendspace.com/dl/827b6f68ee8a6b614ceaf15ebac784ec/4877c3963a9ae15c/gem7s7/Drama%20Mousou%20Battle!2.avi)

Yep, its the other sound episode included in the first sound episode release for R2.

There are still some minor errors, but I think this version is more than watchable. The youtube link will have to wait until after the revisions.

Unlike the other one, this is out of canon and purely comedy. There is also a bit of yaoi, but nothing serious (only for comedic effect). For those hesitant to waste time in downloading and watching this, let me just say most of the girls in geass make an appearance in this sound episode.

Oyabin did the video, while I did the translation and subbing for this one.

This also serves as a tribute to Shirley. People who keep up with the series should know what I am talking about.

[RyougaZell]

Thanks Shinta. I'll download it at home. All file sharing websites are banned at the office.

[Kraco]

Very good work! Thanks once more!

They really had the whole cast of voice actors earn their pay there... Quite a slippery trick.

[Inazuma]

but lelouch doesn't want suzuka to die... so this is pointless anyway

He didn't want Euphy to die either

[oyabun]

Yes there were a lot of them this time. Too bad we didn't have enough "good" pictures for all of them. So if some images are a bit pixelated, I apologize. We'll try to find more pictures next time. About the sound episode, I remember Vileta saying "Is it alright that we all seem to know each other?" That made me laugh.

[shinta|hikari]

Or Shirley's father, or Shirley. Maybe not with his own hands, but they died as a result of his actions and decisions. Let's hope someone who actually deserves it (slowly!) dies this time.

I'm willing to wait til the end, but I'm worried that Lelouch and Suzaku will patch things up, then his death will only bring more suffering to Lelouch. He seriously has suffered enough, more than anyone in the series excluding C.C.

[Buffalobiian]

Hahahahaha, I don't know which one was funnier, the one before or this. Thanks for another awesome compilation effort you guys. It was a good choice on Oyabin's part too, for using Royal Cornelia. It really gives her a majestic aura.

Good work guys!!

[RyougaZell]

Finally saw part 2 and omg... its awesome XD
I liked the fact they did not care they were enemies and all that. I even expected Euphemia to appear and everybody asking her if she wasn't dead XD

[Inazuma]

Don't laugh, but even if I've been a long time Suzaku hater, now I think I hate VV even more, voice, style, and ... everything pisses me off with the immortal asshat.

Am I alone or is there more of VV&Suzaku haters ?

[Ryllharu]

I hated V.V. from the moment before he even opened his mouth (stupid wavy long blond hair looks beyond ridiculous) and after he did, I only hated him more.

But, at least he is not a hypocrite.

[The Heretic Azazel]

V.V. is horrible, even worse when I found out he was a boy. And his goal is to kill God. How can you kill an idea? The Emperor already lords over a good portion of the world. I never understood that.

[shinta|hikari]

Here we go.

GG (http://ggkthx.org/Torrents/%5bgg%5d_Code_Geass_R2_-_14_%5bC6DC0F28%5d.mkv.torrent)

[Besu]

Thanks, I needed. Been like a crack addict all week.

[Ryllharu]

I always knew Suzaku was an asshole, but this episode proved it for the 1000th time over.

I'm a bit disappointed that C.C. still refuses to tell anyone her true goal.

I would wonder if we'll see Cornelia team up with the Black Knights, but Zero did make Euphie go crazy and then shot her in the chest. Even if he is her long lost brother (since she might not remember it was him after that mind melt of a Geass he gave her), that's kind of a huge thing for Cornelia.

We've also got Ougi and Viletta setting up a meeting, with Diethard and our new favorite ninja-maid waiting in the wings to possibly assassinate them both. Lelouch might benefit by telling his subordinates more info (like Viletta is working for him). Maybe not Diethard, but certainly the maid that knows his real identity and the fact that he is royalty.

But I was really hoping that Lelouch would kill Rollo. He's just a whiny little bitch now anyway. On the plus side, we now know why Rollo counts off while his Geass is activated. Quite the weakness there.


...and that brings me to Suzaku. Sure, Lelouch has his troops kill not-so-innocent civilians, but he's no Suzaku. First off, Suzaku instantly assumes that Lelouch killed Shirley. We know that Lelouch was trying his damnedest to keep her uninvolved. Does Suzaku even think of that? Nope. He immediately impresses upon her tragic death the concept that because Euphie was brainwashed by Geass to her death, Shirley was Geassed into her suicide. He even said it himself. "All the evidence and testimonies say Lelouch is innocent." Experiencing a bit of Post Traumatic Stress Disorder it seems. He wants to kill (but in his mind, "bring justice to") Lelouch so badly for killing Euphiema that he's seeing evidence everywhere it isn't, and missing all the evidence where it actually exists. So what's he going to do? Drug (and rape?) Kallen.

I'm not sure what he intends to accomplish with Refrain. The threat will certainly work with Kallen, she has a huge emotional weak spot against it. But is he merely going to confirm that she knows Lelouch is Zero? All of her happy memories are from the past before she ever joined the Black Knights. That's what Kallen's mother was using it for, and that's what Lelouch was tempted to use it for a few episodes ago. Unless it works differently now, it certainly won't brainwash her into telling him exactly what he is after.

Justice indeed. Preventing tragedies by any means necessary. Becoming everything you've ever hated. If Euphie was still alive she would turn away from Suzaku in an instant.

What delicious character development.

[Kraco]

Aye. Suzaku seems to be hating Lelouch pretty badly by now.

Maybe it's partly because Suzaku is quite a direct fighter and he can't grasp how Lelouch fights and has to fight. So, he first needs to convince himself of the fact Lelouch is really back to being Zero before he can do anything. Too bad for Kallen. Maybe Nunnally will see to her treatment. Or maybe Suzaku will see to it himself since he needs to always feel so good and righteous about what he has done. He probably thinks he's doing Kallen a favour by allowing her to talk...

At the same time Lelouch is getting bolder and bolder. No doubt the brutality of this operation was fueled by the rage he feels after Shirley's death, but I wonder if he realises how the formerly oppressed regular Japanese in his ranks feel about such indiscriminate massacres. This could mean some trouble. Especially seeing how secretive Lelouch is.

The big question now is, though, of course, what old man Charles is up to by suddenly bringing Lelouch to his secret place.

[Inazuma]

Well ... Ryl pretty much sumed things up with that post.

But THE thing about Ep14 is Suzaku's Assholeness reaching a godly level. Which makes him, the guy depicted as an angel, looking like the perfect evil char that you can hate without even trying. And making our rebelious son of the emperor looking like the hero, the good guy doing the good thing.
And believe me, that show is a step up for me for that reason alone, having the one called terrorist being the good guy is something that requires balls nowadays.

More love for Lelouch&Jeremiah&Cornelia, more hate Suzaku&VV&Rolo.
Extra cookies for Ep14 for showing a "Remote possibility of heterosexuality" in a Clamp-ish anime with the Ogi x Villeta mini char developement. It deserves it at it is almost as rare as a wet t-shirt inside the fucking sun.

What about our CC ? Well she stills has a lot to explain, that char was deep, and it looks like it's even deeper than we thought. Sexy, mysterious, can ride knightmares, has superpowers, loves pizzas, got charisma, ... the list goes on. As we go further in R2, CC is closing on the Anime Pantheon, just between Spike Spiegel(Cowboy Bebop) and Kuze(GITS SAC).

[David75]

Aye, Lelouch did not really weigh the impact killing "civilians" will have on his troops.
But I've felt for a long time that Lelouch isn"t that different from charles in the way he does thinks, the means he uses to go to the top.

I have to say that the last two eps were a let down, I wasn't as excited as before. A bit of magic is dissapearing, replaced by usual violence and war action.

Oh and Suzaku isn't forced to use refrain. Psychologists will probably tell you that Suzaku will only use the fear Karen has for the refrain injection. Its that fear that may be powerful enough for her to resign and tell the truth. Refrain in itself does not seem to be useful as a truth drug.

[Kraco]

Lelouch is pretty much the biggest secret the Black Knights have. I think Kallen's character is of the type who would rather die than betray her side. A danger of being drugged might be one of her worst nightmares but on the other hand she's not afraid of even death so she might be horrified of getting injected but it doesn't mean she would spill all her secrets.

And yeah, Lelouch is probably pretty similar to his old man. It remains to be seen whether Charles considers that a good thing or a bad. But for Lelouch's own troops such a detail of course isn't generally a good thing since great many of the ordinary soldiers there need to feel they are fighting for the good cause against the bad one, not just replacing one bad with another.

[DDBen]

I found the most interesting part of this episode the exchange between V.V. and Charles. Thing is V.V. has been acting entirely on his own with the actions against Lelouch. All of the assassination attempts and Rollo have been done without the Emperors Knowledge.It really seems like the Emperor is just trying to groom a proper replacement for himself and his pick is Lelouch.

[RyougaZell]

Great episode, and at the same time it made me mad several times.
Everybody already pointed it out, so I will keep it short...
Just how THE FUCK does that imbecile Suzaku thinks he is better than Lelouch by trying to manipulate Kallen via Refrain? Seriously... after this ep I no longer care about VV, since Suzaku reached a new high for idiocy.

And damn it... Lelouch should have pressed the button and killed of Rollo anyways... idiot.

I wonder how Cornelia shall react to Jeremiah saving her... and he being an ally of Zero. And finally that fat ass from the first episodes died. Guh... Im mad damn it... fucking Suzaku...

[David75]

It seemed like Charles really has high plans for Lelouch, and was pissed at V.V for what he did.
But Charles also know that if Lelouch would have been killed in such a way, he wouldn't have hold to Charles hopes.
I can really see why Charles would be able to choose Lelouch over Schneizel.
Schneizel seems like an incredible son to him, but I guess Charles know perfectly well he can't manipulate him into trampling is own values of justice.
On the other hand, Lelouch goes as far as it's necessary to achieve his goals. Lelouch only needs to mature and get experience, which is exactly what is happening.
Lelouch could very well be the son Charles is waiting for, the one succeeding him, or even the one capable of killing the Gods...

Regarding Kallen and her fear for refrain?
Well human brain isn't always very rationnal. It's for some people preferable to die, rather than being humiliated. From that very single example, you understand that fear can lead you to act in very strange ways.
When you're depressed, sometimes suicide seems like a shortcut to solving your problems, rather than facing them which you're incapable of due to your state. When you get back to your senses after a long and hard work, you find that the situations and problems you were facing while on the verge of committing it were so silly that you ROFL. So I guess it will take Kallen an incredible amount of courage and willpower to overcome her greatest weakness in such a short time.

[Idealistic]

Damn, I wanted Rolo to die already. And like everyone, I too hate Suzaku so much more. I wonder if Nunnally is going to be finding out that Lelouch is Zero too since Suzaku is pretty much going force Kallen into spilling it infront of her.

This episode got me even more excited, but then it made me mad at the same time. Probably because everything is so close to being revealed, but then it isn't. This is what sucks about weekly eps.. lol.

[kAi]

Although, C.C looked pretty emotional when she was in there doing all the things that were done. Especially with the "Therefore, the genealogy of Geass shall end here. That's perhaps... Lelouch and my..." There is a couple of things that could be put here "true goal" "thing in common" etc.

I'm also thinking what Marianne did to get on the bad side of things. V.V seems to hate that family with things like. "Even you... shall utter that name?!" When Vincent said "For Empress Marianne's sake" and also things at Lelouch "cursed Prince!" Possible that Marianne found something out and was trying to take it apart, but was too late and V.V took her out.

[Everon]

V.V. and Charles' pact was to kill all the gods? What kind of stupid abstract pact is that?

[Yukimura]

Fucking Suzaku..... Pretty much everything has been said but OMG fucking Suzaku. At least admit that you are just as much of a psychotic bastard as you THINK Lelouch is. But really this isn't new for Suzaku. He killed his own father because he thought it would be better for Japan to surrender. He went ape shit on Lelouch because he thought Lelouch willfully ordered Euphy to go Yandare. He doesn't believe in any sort of fair system of judgment based on gathering facts, for him the world is simply I think therefore I punish.

There were a lot of dangling threads in this ep and I would be okay with that if notfor the fact that it seems none of them will be addressed next episode. What will happen with Viletta and Ougi (the maid does know about her btw), what will happen with Cornelia, what will happen with V.V. while Lelouch is getting schooled by dear old dad. So many interesting mysteries and instead of resolving some they just add another on :(

[Ryllharu]

I'm also thinking what Marianne did to get on the bad side of things. V.V seems to hate that family with things like. "Even you... shall utter that name?!" When Vincent said "For Empress Marianne's sake" and also things at Lelouch "cursed Prince!" Possible that Marianne found something out and was trying to take it apart, but was too late and V.V took her out.

I'm sure it has something to do wit the opening scene that took place 20 years ago. Marianne and C.C. side by side sitting in a field after riding horses, and Charuru and V.V. standing off to the side moaning how much the world with Gods sucks. Perhaps Marianne had a direct hand in C.C.'s betrayal of the Cultists, and V.V. took revenge upon them both, killing Marianne and losing C.C. somewhere in China (where she met Mao).

There's also the possibility that Marianne was C.C.'s contractor back then, gaining a Geass that allowed her to ascend to such heights of martial talents as the Flash of Lightning (I think that was her nickname). Maybe it was because they had a contract that Marianne can still talk to C.C.


@Yuki:
Ah, I forgot. Sayoko has been down in the intelligence HQ at Ashford since she came back from China. But that doesn't mean she still won't try to kill Viletta and Ougi because she thinks they are a security breach.

[Buffalobiian]

Although, C.C looked pretty emotional when she was in there doing all the things that were done. Especially with the "Therefore, the genealogy of Geass shall end here. That's perhaps... Lelouch and my..." There is a couple of things that could be put here "true goal" "thing in common" etc.

I thought the missing word was "punishment". Her and Lelouch's punishment.

I'm partly lost this ep. Firstly, what the Emperor meant when he said V.V. was lying again, since everything seemed truthful to me. Perhaps V.V. didn't send Jeremiah? I doubt it.

Secondly, the door to the Sword of Akasha, It opens at different places around the world or something?

And Villeta? "Now that even Lord Jeremiah has been taken in by Lelouch, I need Ougi Kaname?"

I'm quite happy that the story's moving forward this episode, despite my rising fears that Kallen will join Britannia, whether it's her wish or not.

[animus]

Mmmm more Cornelia.

[shinta|hikari]

Villetta intends to betray Lelouch, I gather. I wonder if Ougi will fall for that trick again and get stabbed.

[Buffalobiian]

Villetta intends to betray Lelouch, I gather. I wonder if Ougi will fall for that trick again and get stabbed.

Then why warn Lelouch about Jeremiah? Unless she was either putting on a show for Rolo, or knew before hand that Jeremiah was wanting to serve Zero, it wouldn't make sense.

[Kraco]

Often enough the scenes in this series make things look one way yet the next scene (next episode) reveals it wasn't the case at all. It's true it looks like Villetta is still looking for a way to get back to the Britannic side but it's another question whether she really deep down intends to take that route if it ever appears. I also find it a bit hard to believe she would again hurt Ougi just to try to redeem herself. It would be easier to believe she would make an extra attempt to avoid him if she intends to switch sides now. After all, I can't really believe she would ever believe Ougi would betray the cause and obviously she has some feelings for him.

[shinta|hikari]

Maybe she will try to convince Ougi that Zero/Lelouch does not have the best interest of Japan at heart (and she would be right too). This has almost caused mutiny several times in the series, and one of those times included Ougi.

[shinta|hikari]

Youtube link for Battle of Delusions is up.

Battle of Delusions - Part 1 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JUYtl5kRBRg)

Battle of Delusions - Part 2 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-4xii-CWDS4)

Edited version in mediafire:
Battle of Delusions (http://www.mediafire.com/?2mm3mj5heao)

[RyougaZell]

Edited version? What was changed?

Good job again btw.

[oyabun]

Just some minor tweaks in the images. Nothing major :D

[Board of Command]

Thanks a lot, shinta.

[Everon]

Lelouch seems to have setup these situations on purpose for Ougi and Viletta to meet. I can't imagine that Lelouch would do this without a specific reason or plan.

[boilerph]

My question is what kind of doctor rules it death by suicide when there is a bullet wound just below the sternum?

[Buffalobiian]

My question is what kind of doctor rules it death by suicide when there is a bullet wound just below the sternum?

A Geassed doctor?

[oyabun]

A Geassed doctor?

Right on the spot. Too bad Rolo didn't die with V2. Did the emperor used his geass at the last part of the episode? Maybe he can use it more than once? Or is it the "Gate" that made Lelouch warp in somplace? hmm

PS: I hope there is a refrain in real life.. Or there is?:D

[David75]

Code Geass R2 15 MKV @ ggkthx (http://ggkthx.org/Torrents/%5Bgg%5D_Code_Geass_R2_-_15_%5B11178DDE%5D.mkv.torrent)

At last, I think we can trust that link. Downloading as of yet. Will update if anything strange happens with that one too.
Sorry for inconvenience.

Last Edit: We have subs! Have fun!

Oh, so they go that far in twisting everything.
Nina really made it to give Britania such an incredible power.

C.C and Lelouch changes are incredible.

Can't say more at this point of course, enjoy!

[RyougaZell]

Wow... this episode was pure win from beginning to end...

Karen slapped the bastard, who like always ended as a coward.
Nunally distrusts the coward.
CC's backstory was awesome, and her change at the end was unexpected (for me).
Lelouch killed his father finally.... too bad he became immortal.
VV is dead! Wohoo!!! Now we need to kill Rollo and Suzaku.
Ougi saved Viletta and she jumped after him.
Damn... words can't describe... pure win.

[WRX Sti]

Eclipse subs:
http://eclipse.no-sekai.de/

[David75]

V.V. is not dead yet, he still speaks and breaths... so we don't know for sure.

Lelouch becoming a Geass "Master" and exchanging places with C.C. in a way, that's pure win. And I loved every word C.C. spoke after the change, as the medieval maid she probably was. That gives room for more beetween her and Lelouch, eventhough all of their relationship has been wiped from her (in fact everything from the moment she became a Geass witch to the change...) I guess the next step would be Lelouch giving her a geass. I don't know if he would let her endure the same path again, but in a way he needs to protect her. His new power is giving geass power and being immortal, which does not give him that many options to protect people.
The problem with giving geass to C.C. again, is that she may well repeat the exact same mistakes for the exact same reasons... she was a abandonned child and craves for true love...

Now Lelouch new position gives him the opportunity to give geass power to Karen!
But please, do not do that with Suzaku (arrrrggghhh, just thinking about it makes me puke...)

So basically we have Charles and Lelouch at the same level, fighting with the same power.

Interresting.

[Kraco]

This series sure spares no paths... C.C. was easily one of the most prominent characters in building the whole plot, and now her memory is wiped. Maybe it will predict a change in the intimacy between her and Lelouch, like you said, David. In any case her role had been diminishing through this second season, which might have been an indication of this situation (though I doubt anybody predicted this happening). I always thought she was the saddest of all the characters so maybe this will give her what she wanted. Though if it's going to be with Lelouch... Uhhuh. A megalomaniacal business-first siscon. If nothing else, it should be fun if Lelouch really accepts the responsibility.

I highly doubt Lelouch will give C.C. a geass. That would be too cruel and also unwise, knowing her personality - and that Lelouch now indeed knows. She was always highly capricious, and that's not something a control freak like Lelouch wants to deal with if he can help it. Sure, it made his life more interesting in the past but not by his choice.

Suzaku had some decency and lingering emotions left? He still has a long way to go... We haven't seen nearly as much development in his direction as in Lelouch's.

[shinta|hikari]

V.V. is dead. He died in that scene with C.C. I believe.

I always thought that C.C.'s goal was to die, but I never really knew how she would go about doing it. The process is not nearly as difficult as I thought though.

@Kraco - You make Lelouch sound like Light from deathnote. I think that if for any reason, he would not give C.C. a geass because he cares for her and that's that. He still doesn't know how much and why, since he could not even put it into words (she's my x3) but that would be the reason to refrain from repeating the cycle. Of course, he may just as well give her geass, but with another plan in mind which excludes simple power.

I of course hope that C.C. will somehow regain her memory, since that is a big part of what made me a fanatic.

Suzaku does not have any decency at all. The only reason he did not shoot kallen up with refrain is because he did not want to become like the person he hates. It is extremely personal and not a matter of principle.

[Kraco]

I always thought that C.C.'s goal was to die, but I never really knew how she would go about doing it. The process is not nearly as difficult as I thought though.

The most classic goal of all true immortals is to die. You never know with a series like this if it's the truth, though. If somebody claims this series hasn't surprised him once, you've found a liar.

[David75]

V.V. is dead. He died in that scene with C.C. I believe.

I always thought that C.C.'s goal was to die, but I never really knew how she would go about doing it. The process is not nearly as difficult as I thought though.

The process is not difficult on paper, the problem is to find the right one!
And it seems like C.C had to wait like 2 or 3 centuries before she finds Lelouch.
Mao was the only one nearing Lelouch, but he got mad due to his mind reading geass that was uncontrollable and overflowing his own thoughts.

Now regarding the fact that immortals want to die, I guess it's classical only because mortal people think about it and create stories around that idea. Since all of our cultures are constructed with the idea that eventually everyone dies, it's no wonder the turn all of those stories take.
Nobody knows what it is to be immortal, I think that the mind, way of reasonning of an immortal would be so different than those of mortals, that we can't predict how they would react, and particularly if they would want to die in the end. Plus there's always individual reactions, some may want to at some point, some other would never even think about it. Who knows?

[Idealistic]

Hmmm.... I'm kind of confused. Did Lelouch really take over CC's position? All I saw was CC losing her memories and perhaps her power as well.

[Kraco]

Nobody knows what it is to be immortal, I think that the mind, way of reasonning of an immortal would be so different than those of mortals, that we can't predict how they would react, and particularly if they would want to die in the end. Plus there's always individual reactions, some may want to at some point, some other would never even think about it. Who knows?

You fail to notice we aren't talking about some separate immortal species but humans that became immortal for one reason or another. So, they are still products of an evolution, society, and culture of "everybody dies sooner or later" but suddenly pushed aside from that stream. So, we are indeed somewhat qualified to ponder the issue.

[Ryllharu]

So what I'm wondering from C.C.'s little reversion to being a medieval slave girl is...will Lelouch tell her what her real name is (if she doesn't know it), or will she in the process of introducing herself to Lelouch say what her real name is. Either way, I'm hoping this time we get to hear it! Though now I wonder how we will learn of Marianne and C.C.'s relationship. I guess this proves that Marianne was not one of the witches though.

Damn cliffhanger with the Ougi/Viletta/Sayoko plotline...

...and what the hell do Nina and those two bastards intend to do with the nukes they've finally developed? Glass the whole world that isn't Britannia? I suppose coming from that racist lesbian bitch, that is precisely what she intends. I'm still hoping Milly beats the shit out of her while inserting some sense along the way.

Lastly, Nunnally gets a lot of credit for figuring out Suzaku's bullshit.

[shinta|hikari]

Nunnally gets little to no credit for me. It took her much too long to realize that Suzaku is lying to her. She is too trusting, and while that is in her character, it seems a little too dense for Lelouch's (the kid closest in thinking to the emperor) sister.

The nukes are probably going to be used as leverage. Its destructive power is absolutely absurd to be used in actual battle.

@Kraco - Exactly. And not only that, we can more or less imagine what it would be like to be immortal. Some writers never experience what they write about, yet they are able to simulate it well enough. No one can conclusively say what exactly an immortal thought process would be like (just because it can't be proven), but that doesn't make an educated guess any less valid.

[Lucifus]

So immensely sad....CC......tears...

Christ nina pisses me off; glad to see Suzaku getting left in the dust.

I'll remember Kallen smacking that sob till the day I die. >=)

[shinta|hikari]

Wait, I'm confused. I rewatched the Eclipse subtitled version this time, and there is no real indication that Lelouch became immortal at all. I thought that I missed it because I was watching the raw (it happens especially when bombarded by specific terms like CG), but after seeing it again, it seems that C.C. simply lost her power because the process of Charles killing her was incomplete. Charles can't be dead since he is already immortal. Lelouch is probably wearing his contacts (thus his geass was covered) when he was shown together with C.C. at the end. This means that Lelouch is still the same as before, with Charles still alive and C.C. all maso-loli on the inside.

Correct me if I'm wrong though, since I'm not entirely sure if I missed something or not.

EDIT: I considered that the whole sequence with Lelouch and the emperor might be fake, but even after Lelouch managed to get through the thought elevator the bloodstains from the gunshots were still on Charles shirt.

[David75]

Wait, I'm confused. I rewatched the Eclipse subtitled version this time, and there is no real indication that Lelouch became immortal at all. I thought that I missed it because I was watching the raw (it happens especially when bombarded by specific terms like CG), but after seeing it again, it seems that C.C. simply lost her power because the process of Charles killing her was incomplete. Charles can't be dead since he is already immortal. Lelouch is probably wearing his contacts (thus his geass was covered) when he was shown together with C.C. at the end. This means that Lelouch is still the same as before, with Charles still alive and C.C. all maso-loli on the inside.

Correct me if I'm wrong though, since I'm not entirely sure if I missed something or not.

EDIT: I considered that the whole sequence with Lelouch and the emperor might be fake, but even after Lelouch managed to get through the thought elevator the bloodstains from the gunshots were still on Charles shirt.

I'm almost certain I've seen the cult's mark on Lelouch's forehead. I'll have to wait tonight to find the appropriate image. So unless this was all brain washing...

[shinta|hikari]

I checked again (and no, I can never get sick of seeing C.C.) and there is no mark on Lelouch whatsoever.

EDIT: So C.C. has now done a complete turnaround. I think the description of what she can do from the get go is to let the viewers see that this is the exact opposite of the C.C. that Lelouch met. C.C. was arrogant, independent, intelligent, lazy (and generally does not do housework) while the new C.C. is the exact opposite, being servile, able to clean, and can count only up to 20. I wonder what would happen to her Pizza addiction.

Haha, I spell Pizza with a capital P now by instinct.

EDIT2: I realize that I have to give a bit of credit to Nunnally for saying to Suzaku what he did not want to hear and admit the most, the fact that they (him and Zero) are almost the same now (only he is worse, but that has been proven).

[oyabun]

Nice C2 episode,and I think I'm also gonna like the next one due to C2's new personality and screentime. I like the C2 now and I will definitely gonna like Maso-C2 more. I wonder how will the emperor escape the system now that he is trap inside..

PS: Shinta already guessed C2's wish of dying way back season 1. Lol

[David75]

Now we have a reason why Shirley had to die, it was to leave room to C.C.Maid.

I know I repeat myself, but her words after the change really impressed me. It was well done, or maybe I'm just sold to her now :eek: like many other followers before myself.

[shinta|hikari]

Welcome to the order, David.

Now let us worship the hot babe on the outside, loli-slave-maid on the inside goddess.

I am still heartbroken over this change though...

[David75]

Welcome to the order, David.

Now let us worship the hot babe on the outside, loli-slave-maid on the inside goddess.

I am still heartbroken over this change though...

Do you mean you lost faith in your Goddess only because she stumbled a bit? Blasphemy!

In that ep she gained a lot of depth, because we finally got a little more on her story, rather than flashes from her sufferings.
And I find the "Reset" pretty interresting for all of the possibilities it offers.
I can even see a hapy-end to the series, at least it's possible.

So now the most important scene to come is the first pizza she'll get after her reset.:)

[shinta|hikari]

I can just imagine the rapture on her new innocent face once Lelouch feeds her that "unique food item". The undressing scene in the preview is most promising too.

I never lost or will lose faith. I am just in the process of adjusting at present.

[animus]

This episode was orgasmic.

[RyougaZell]

This episode was orgasmic.


I'll remember Kallen smacking that sob till the day I die. >=)

Amen.

So far, I think this was the best episode in all Code Geass R2... dunno if I really want the series to end this season...

[shinta|hikari]

I bet it will now. Very few mysteries left, 10 more episodes to go.

[NeoCybercoin]

Can I join the C.C. Worshipper group now? I know I voted for Kallen but this....I CAN'T STOP WATCHING IT. Can't wait for the next ep. Seems like she was beaten alot for not being obidient or when she did something wrong. I mean when Lulu steps towards her when she takes off her shirt she thinks he is gonna beat her xD....it's sad really = (

[Ryllharu]

I still like Viletta and Milly the best...less competition for me!


I never lost or will lose faith. I am just in the process of adjusting at present.
shinta misses her sexy know-it-all side. The one she used to lord over all beings because she had lived so long.

C.C.'s geass must have been an enormous curse, hidden beneath what she saw as a blessing. It wasn't all that different from Lelouch's, only it functioned all the time. It seems like she realized that after she became the immortal one, which is why she always seemed to have a soft spot for Shirley and the other girls that have taken a liking to Lelouch since the series began. Not the throng of rabid fangirls like we saw in the Academy episode, but the serious ones. Not even Kaguya, who is more of a political/idolized love. So yeah, just Shirley and Kallen as of R2.

No one ever really loved C.C., except for Mao. But his got twisted in it's own way, and it wasn't the kind of love she really needed.

That's probably why Lelouch was able to bring her back alive, and why she lost all her memories. Instead of dying in despair, Lelouch would have the chance to show C.C. (the real C.C., before she got corrupted by the power her Geass held) what being loved and cared after really is. It just wouldn't be a proper Sunrise series without a few gushy love side plots.

The next few episodes should be very interesting with that set of developments.

[Carnage]

I like how a new plot is added every 2 episodes. It really keeps the series intact.

[shinta|hikari]

@Ryll - well, another reason why I feel sad about this change is the fact that I feel sorry for both C.C. and Lelouch. The issue about Lelouch is obvious. Some may argue though, that C.C. is better off without her memories, but we should not forget that the other C.C., the immortal bad ass one, disappeared without ever knowing true love/happiness. In a sense, she "died" in despair. It is just too unfair if the persona that endured hopelessness for that long, the one that sacrificed her one true wish to save Lelouch, simply stopped existing.

[Buffalobiian]

I'm still getting over the fact that bad-ass C.C. is gone. Damn opportunity cost. Luckily, (her) good-ass is here to stay.

Is there more to understand about the Thought Elevator besides "It's a system that interferes with thought"? I don't quite get what it is, and whether it's the same, or part of the Sword of Akasha.

[animus]

Well I'm sure the badass C.C. persona is gonna make a comeback in the future.

[KrayZ33]

Hmmm.... I'm kind of confused. Did Lelouch really take over CC's position? All I saw was CC losing her memories and perhaps her power as well.

Well we can see in the end that Lelouch doesn't have a Geass anymore... which means he is probably the new Geass-Master

but:

I want to quote that, because I'm also confused...
when did the "switch" happen? did it happen when C.C's wish was fullfilled? (being loved?)
so once the contractor fullfills the wish, the geass-master will lose his/her memory?
Why didn't that happen to V.V.... what was his wish anyway?
And did the nun force C.C. to kill her or something? If I'm not mistaken from what I saw in this episode, the contractor has to kill the geass master... so it would be impossible for the king to kill C.C. because he is a geass master himself now, isn't he?

Can one geass master kill another one? I don't really get it.

And who are the geass masters of the little children in the facility? Is it possible for one to have more than 1 contractor at the same time, or are they simply enhanced by some weird genetic-technology?


Some may argue though, that C.C. is better off without her memories, but we should not forget that the other C.C., the immortal bad ass one, disappeared without ever knowing true love/happiness. In a sense, she "died" in despair. It is just too unfair if the persona that endured hopelessness for that long, the one that sacrificed her one true wish to save Lelouch, simply stopped existing.

why's that? I thought C.C. true wish was "true love" and not "death" in the end... that is if my theory is right that the one who fullfills the wish will become the new geass master. And the old master will simply lose his memory of being a master..
so the "immortal bad ass C.C" died knowing that her wish of "true love" is fulfilled now.... however she didn't want Lelouch to take on the "side effect" which comes when the wish is fulfilled...namely immortality, Lelouch however "told" (with his actions) her that he doesn't care and thats why C.C. decided to accept Lelouch... at least thats what I thought is the case... so yes she "died" in a certain case... but it isn't a sad death... she had everything she wanted in the end and she probably knew what happens to her after the switch has been made... and maybe, just maybe she hoped that she will be able to love him back even after loosing all her memories or something like that ^^

well this is too complex for me at the moment... it would be nice if someone is able to explain the connection to this "Lady Marianne" (who the hell is she anyway? Lelouchs mother?) and the whole contract thingy... and what happened to V.V. now... why isn't he immortal anymore?

so many questions 8[


I bet it will now. Very few mysteries left, 10 more episodes to go.

really? for me, only a few mysteries were cleared... but another 1000 just came out of the blue.

for example why V.V. was able to control that funny-cube-mecha
or why cornelia knew the weak spot of that robot.
what was she doing there anyway? she thought V.V. killed euphy?

And didn't C.C. wish to end the "geass linage"?
why is she able to end it? from what I've seen there were like 5000 geass masters in the first intro of R2... so how could she possible end it?
Isn't it impossible anyway? Because if you are a geass master, you are immortal... and if the contractor fulfills your wish,( I don't know how the switch is made) then the contractor will gain immortality while the "now-ex-master" loses it... so there are always 5000 geass-masters and there is no way that this number will be reduced.

unless one geass-master cann kill another geass-master (which seems to be the case, since the emporor was able to kill C.C?)


btw, its possible that some of my questions have been answered in season 1 or even 2... if thats the case it would be cool if you can tell me what was said and when (because I can't rewatch them since I don't have season 1anymore) ^^

[shinta|hikari]

I think it is better to think of geass users and masters in terms of levels (well, since that is what they are). One starts out as a geass user after making a contact, then eventually kills their master and gains immortality at the cost of their geass, but this does not necessarily mean that the rank of power they gained while leveling up their geass becomes void. So technically, they moved up, so if rank determines whether a user can kill a master, a master will definitely be able to kill another master. Charles already killed V.V., so it only makes sense that he is still able to kill C.C. as well.

About Lelouch's eyes not showing the geass, he probably had his contacts on.

About the mysteries in the series, those are very very minor compared to what has been revealed this episode. They are not central to the plot, and as such I think they will be addressed very briefly.

I doubt your theory is right. Killing seems to be the only way of succession, and C.C.'s original wish was indeed to die (don't forget C.C.'s flashback that proves this point). But that does not have to stay that way, since she just chose to save Lelouch over fulfilling her wish this episode.

About the children in the geass base, please do not forget that the place is a research facility for geass. They are trying to produce them artificially, so they probably did not have a master, or V.V. sired them, since one master can have several million contracts for all we know (two contracts at one time is confirmed though).

[KrayZ33]

but if Lelouch is a Geass-Master now, doesn't that mean he lost his geass-power?

Because the emporor did "trade" his geass for immortality (he stated this himself I think, when he stood up again after he shot himself)
and C.C. did also lose her 2-eyed geass (!!! she seemed to use it often btw :( poor C.C., well this explains her attitude btw ^^) and gained immortality because she(?) killed the nun

So imho: Succession (I don't know yet what is needed to succeed, probably the fulfillment of the master's wish) means loosing the Geass and gaining immortality, will the successed person loses everything

Charles beeing able to kill V.V. is simple, since he is the Contractor... and from what we know, the Contractor is the only one able to do such a thing.

but then again, he didn't really kill him did he? I mean, he still was alive and spoke with C.C. etc.

[Ryllharu]

I fail to see where Lelouch lost his Geass. The Emperor, NOT Lelouch, was taking C.C.'s from her when Lelouch intervened and we got this result, like it was half completed.

...and also, who says that the master has to die? It was usually their wish to die. They merely become mortal again after passing it off. The nun clearly killed herself the second she was able to do so.

[David75]

So Lelouch entered the thought elevator with his contact on. That means that when he's near the gate again, with C.C. having lost her memories, he could still have his geass...

I thought he had the mark, but I was wrong, no image backs that idea. It's in fact the train of ideas of the ep, and the mark proeminently shown on the gate right before, that may lead you to that direction. There's no way to know before we have a clear picture of his bare forehead.

Since the process was incomplete, we may have:
Charles as a Geass Master, the only remaining one that is not killable
C.C. back to her state before she met the geass
Lelouch with his Geass still active, maybe.

[shinta|hikari]

Wait, how is it clear that the Nun killed herself? I am convinced C.C. killed her after thinking that she was deceived all this time. She had tons of blood on her in that scene.

Also, C.C. clearly said that if Lelouch wanted the power of immortality, he had to kill her, not let her die, but kill her. She even commented on Lelouch being too kind, and that is why he would not be able to do it. I think this is enough proof to show that killing is a prerequisite for succession. Of course, it is not certain since there is no definite indication as of yet, but it is more than probable, I think.

EDIT: Oh, and to add to my point, when Lelouch said the line "Do you really want to die with such a face!?" (or something like that), it seems he firmly believes that C.C. will definitely die during that process, and he saw C.C.'s past completely, unlike the GP version we got. If she was just going to become mortal after the ritual, then he would not comment like he did. Heck, he might even do it to C.C. himself, then just convince her not to kill herself afterwards.

Also, what would be the point of showing that the ritual was interrupted when C.C. saved Lelouch if the result was going to be the same (meaning becoming mortal, maybe memory reversion)?

[Lucifus]

What exactly does the sword of aka-whatever do? I was thinking Lelouch unknowingly destroyed it along with all of C.C.'s memories. Whats the thought elevator thingy anyway?

She went totally blank as soon as the sword thingy got blasted and those haunting scenes began.

-.- Confusing.....

Its obvious she no longer has her code however;


http://img337.imageshack.us/img337/6444/ccdb8.jpg

C.C. said she would end the Geass linage. And with blasting of the thingy;

C.C. went blank, the emperor freaked out, that clock starting ticking back and during all this attempt at rescue Lelouch managed to sneak a Contact on for what purpose?

He still had his Geass while C.C. was doing her blank stare falling thingy.


http://img185.imageshack.us/img185/826/zeroml9.jpg

At the gate after blasting.

http://img151.imageshack.us/img151/1326/zero2ye4.jpg

Edit:

And who said one has to kill the prior Geass master to take over? The emp left V.V. alive and he obviously took his code.

Maybe just fullfilling the contract (i'm assuming V.V.'s wish wasn't to die) or simply attaining mastery over ones Geass give you the ability to overcome your master...

Actually, the nun said all thats required to transfer mastery is someone who possesses a geass above the norm. Dual wielding babies.

Lelouch cant possibly have become a Geass master.

Dat nikkah done lost his geass and trumped sexy badass C.C.

I'll kill him!

[shinta|hikari]

Ah, good point. It seems more likely that C.C. lost her memories because Lelouch destroyed the structure, especially since the emperor started shouting curses when Lelouch did it. She did seem to have her memories intact when she freed Lelouch. The structure (whatever it is) must have direct influence on the powers of geass, I just hope it doesn't mean that all forms of geass are lost.

About Lelouch's eyes, you do realize that a lot of time may have passed before C.C. woke up right? I am not saying this is definite, but just noting the proximity of the scenes to each other is not enough to prove that they happened within a short period of time (like a few minutes/seconds), especially since this is code geass with its sudden time skips.

About the V.V. thing, C.C. said this exactly when she saw V.V. dying: "Charles, why did you take V.V.'s code now? Why did you kill the brother you admired so much?" Maybe V.V. just didn't die immediately, but obtaining the code I think results in death. Well, unless Charles took the code, made V.V. mortal, then killed him, which is also quite possible.

I completely agree with the idea that it only takes a certain level of geass in order to gain succession, or in other words, achieve the ability to kill geass masters. That is what C.C. explicitly said. She did not say that it is required to kill them, but that seemed to be the case with all the examples presented (the nun, V.V. who both died, and C.C. who clearly said that Lelouch needs to kill her to succeed the power) The geass master's wish (ie. V.V.) does not seem to matter at all, which means that there is no such condition as "fulfilling the contract" in order to gain the master rank.

[Ryllharu]

Wait, how is it clear that the Nun killed herself? I am convinced C.C. killed her after thinking that she was deceived all this time. She had tons of blood on her in that scene.

Also, C.C. clearly said that if Lelouch wanted the power of immortality, he had to kill her, not let her die, but kill her. She even commented on Lelouch being too kind, and that is why he would not be able to do it. I think this is enough proof to show that killing is a prerequisite for succession. Of course, it is not certain since there is no definite indication as of yet, but it is more than probable, I think.

EDIT: Oh, and to add to my point, when Lelouch said the line "Do you really want to die with such a face!?" (or something like that), it seems he firmly believes that C.C. will definitely die during that process, and he saw C.C.'s past completely, unlike the GP version we got. If she was just going to become mortal after the ritual, then he would not comment like he did. Heck, he might even do it to C.C. himself, then just convince her not to kill herself afterwards.

Also, what would be the point of showing that the ritual was interrupted when C.C. saved Lelouch if the result was going to be the same (meaning becoming mortal, maybe memory reversion)?

At the frame in 18:23, it looks like C.C. was the one beaten, rather than the Nun, who only has a small pool of blood around her head. C.C. loved her, in the same was Mao loved C.C. Up until that point, no one had ever treated C.C. kindly. Still, she learned that the Nun didn't really care, and had only been lying to her. I can see how that can be taken into motivation that C.C. would kill the Nun from that sense of betrayal. However, the peaceful look on the Nun's face leads me to believe she took a way out as quickly as possible. Before experiencing several hundred years of life, I do not think C.C. had it in her to kill anyone. She's become fairly innocent now, incredibly meek and submissive as one would expect of a slave, a far cry from her normal, hardened self who prefers to dominate and tease those around her. She was still living the peaceful, carefree life she had never had as a slave. C.C. looks like she's been severely raped and beaten, a mix of pain and grief.

As Lucifus pointed out, V.V. was alive at the time he gave Charles the Code. C.C. talked to V.V.'s dying body (killed in the attack by Lelouch and Cornelia, et al.) wondering why Charles took it now.

As for the, "Do you really want to die with such a face!?" line, I believe Lelouch said that because he had seen how sad C.C. looked as Charles was about to take her Code and then end her life as she supposedly wished. C.C. had been lying to Lelouch the entire time in order to protect him, and she has done that before as well. Lelouch didn't really care if C.C. truly wanted to die, but he didn't think that she truly wanted to. It was not her wish, she wanted something else, to not die sad and lonely, without actually experiencing being "loved."

The loss of memory is an unanticipated side effect of the ritual being interrupted, mortality would be the only actual symptom otherwise. V.V. had all of his, the Nun most likely had hers to still remember all the reasons she wanted to kill herself.

EDIT:
I see that you said some of my arguments better than I did.

[shinta|hikari]

I am no longer sure what happened when V.V. encountered Charles for the last time. If he indeed no longer had the code when Charles said that his brother was lying to him, then that proves that killing is not a prerequisite for succession. I don't have the episode, so if someone can check for me I would appreciate it.

I kind of get the scenario you are painting with C.C. and the nun, and I must say it is quite convincing. If the nun forced C.C. to do the ritual by beating the shit out of her (right after the nun went all Nina-face on C.C.), then proceeded to kill herself once this was over, the weird scene would make sense.

I am more inclined to agree with Lucifus regarding the memory loss of C.C. It just seems odd that she can run to the panel, and save Lelouch when her memory was already gone. The progression of events seemed to hint at the destruction of the structure as the cause of this "side effect".

[David75]

For Lelouch's Geass, pay attention to the fact that the thought elevator scenes are very different from those outside.

I think the thought elevator is some kind of virtual world were your mind goes and meets others. Your body is there as an image that is easier to deal with.

I checked the image before he gets there, he had his contact on, you can't see his geass (end of ep 14)
Then at the end of ep 15, you can't see his geass either.

The scenes when he uses his geass in the thought elevator are different, everything that happens there is in a mind/virtual reality.

[Buffalobiian]

One thing that popped up in my head after reading all those posts is the way Geass manifests. My take on it is:

-Single eye has Geass, able to turn it off.
-If one is unable to control the Geass, it becomes permanently activated. Still one eye.
- If the Geass gets stronger, it manifests itself in both eyes (C.C, Mao). If one has the potential to be King though, they can control it still (Charles).

Lelouch probably couldn't kill C.C. anyway since his wasn't powerful enough yet(Lucifus mentioned this too?). It may also tie in as to why C.C. warned him when he got the contacts.


I'm thinking....."Sword of Akasha" is the Greek style temple, and the "Thought Elevator" is the cog/face world that Lelouch was in? What about the World of C? Was that Lelouch exploring C.C's memories using the Thought Elevator? All these damn questions, and with C.C.'s memories wiped, they probably won't be addressed next episode either.

Regarding why Lelouch would put on his contacts, I agree with the idea that at least a little time passed after they got out of the elevator. Plus, Lelouch said he called his subordinates or something, so he had every reason to put his contacts back in.

Edit: took too long, David posted before me. Interesting thought about the virtual world. I might just buy that idea after confirming it myself.

[David75]

Yes to me the thought elevator is a mind/virtual place because everything is controlled by thought.
At first you think it's a real world because every interaction you have with the place is based on what your brain would like to do, and the place adapts everything.

At some point Lelouch says himself that everything is controlled by thought there, he then understands that this place is virtual.

Then Lelouch goes a little further in virtuality when he enters C.C.'s mind and memories, at that moment the virtuality is made more obvious on screen.

The thought elevator is to be seen as a device that elevates your mind.
After all Charles aim is to kill the Gods, so he needs some kind of enlightment or spiritual enhancer to fight at the level of Gods.

I may be wrong though

[Splash!]

From C.C's scene with the nun, it seems that the immortality transferring ritual ends up taking the life of the previous immortal.
I am assuming that Charles performed this ritual on V.V to gain his code. However, V.V did not die instantly like the nun.

I think that the process of transferring immortality involves the code on the body of the immortal being forcefully 'ripped' out. In the case of C.C and the nun, it would end up taking their life because the code is printed on their forehead. I think the pool of blood next to the nun's head is an important hint at this.

But I don't think taking V.V's directly killed him. C.C said, "Charles, why did you have to take V.V's code at this point in time?" Since V.V was injured from the battle, stealing his immortality at that point meant he no longer could survive his injuries, which is what I believe killed him.

So my guess is that the incomplete code transfer process between Charles and C.C resulted in brain damage in the form of amnesia for her rather than a total brain explosion.

There is one thing I don't understand though. Why did C.C have to wait for Charles to obtain her wish to die? If Charles, already being an immortal, was able to take C.C's code, then why couldn't V.V have taken it too? Unless of course Charles had disallowed V.V from taking it.

On another note, I like how the name of the series finally makes complete sense now.

[KrayZ33]

I am no longer sure what happened when V.V. encountered Charles for the last time. If he indeed no longer had the code when Charles said that his brother was lying to him, then that proves that killing is not a prerequisite for succession. I don't have the episode, so if someone can check for me I would appreciate it.


Charles took the "code" when V.V. was seriously wounded and when he said "you lied to me again"... which led to his death in the end.
If he hadn't taken the code then, he would have survived Lelouchs attack. However since, he lost immortality when Charles took the code he died as a result of his wounds.

btw I personally believe that Charles wants to be the last "Geass Master" or "Geass User" in the world
He "killed" V.V. (by taking his code) to show C.C. that he is capable of killing "Geass Masters" now... this got C.C.'s attention which is why she appeared in front of Lelouch and Charles.




I kind of get the scenario you are painting with C.C. and the nun, and I must say it is quite convincing. If the nun forced C.C. to do the ritual by beating the shit out of her (right after the nun went all Nina-face on C.C.), then proceeded to kill herself once this was over, the weird scene would make sense.


well I don't think that the nun has beaten her to near death... if you watch closley, her throat and belly were ripped open (jugded by the amount of blood comming out). Those are not wounds you suffer from getting beaten up by fists.... hmm maybe she tried to kill herself after the ritual has been made, since she has noone who truely "loves" her anymore and discovered that she is immortal and can't die......or so



I am more inclined to agree with Lucifus regarding the memory loss of C.C. It just seems odd that she can run to the panel, and save Lelouch when her memory was already gone. The progression of events seemed to hint at the destruction of the structure as the cause of this "side effect".

yes it must be an unwanted side effect either caused by the destruction of the "Sword of XXXXXX" or by the hasty completion of the ritual (with Lelouch,*NOT* with Charles), because both V.V. and the nun didn't lose their memories after the ritual

and I still wonder what happened when Lelouch took C.C.'s arm... I blieve it was a kiss :P

and also how it was possible for Charles to take over the code without killing V.V.
(he didn't gain immortality by killing him)

what I also still don't get 100% is what happens to the geass...
it seems to dissappear once you kill your master, then again killing your master isn't necessary to take over the code, so the code can be taken away in some other way... which makes me believe that it can be done also by the fulfillment of the contract.

Charles did also say "I gained immortality in *exchange* of my geass"
it sounds more like a trade has been made.

[Splash!]

well I don't think that the nun has beaten her to near death... if you watch closley, her throat and belly were ripped open (jugded by the amount of blood comming out). Those are not wounds you suffer from getting beaten up by fists.... hmm maybe she tried to kill herself after the ritual has been made, since she has noone who truely "loves" her anymore and discovered that she is immortal and can't die......or so


It is interesting to note that C.C is clutching her chest in that scene. To me it seems that the same ritual between C.C and Charles also took place between C.C and the nun.

During the ritual, C.C placed her hand on Charles' chest in a way that indicates that it was part of the ritual. Charles, the acceptor of the code was willing in this case. C.C, the acceptor in the nun case, was not willing to receive the code. I can only imagine that during the process, the nun tight clutched onto C.C's chest, possibly even digging her nails into her. C.C on the other hand, unwilling to receive the code, was violently struggling to break free and get away from the nun during the entire ritual.

Also, the nun seems to have a pool of blood next to her head with no visible injuries. It's possible that there is an injury at the back of her head but I think its more likely it is some sort of brain implosion as a result of removing the code.

[KrayZ33]

that sounds horribly brutal ^^

it seems to be the case that the code is "ripped out" of the body... at least I don't know how to explain C.C.'s reaction to V.V.'s body when he showed her his bloody shoulder.

but I don't think that C.C's hand on Charles chest is part of the ritual, in my opinion it symbolised rejection...

maybe the ritual includes a kiss(?? well at least the pose looked like that), and C.C. could keep Charles to a certain distance and stop him from closing in too much.
Her other wish was to be truely loved by someone, since charles does only want to kiss her because he had to do it, she started to feel uneasy about it and maybe thats also the reason why she pushed him away, she didn't want to die without having felt the feeling of true love once.

maybe it reminded her of her past, when everyone was just "faking" the affection and love towards her

by the way, Code Geass threads are good for farming bad reps for some reason.

[Buffalobiian]

it seems to be the case that the code is "ripped out" of the body... at least I don't know how to explain C.C.'s reaction to V.V.'s body when he showed her his bloody shoulder.



From what I remember, V.V's code was never on his forehead. Hence, when C.C. said that she's cursed with immortality, and he says otherwise, she immediately checks his now-removed code, to find it gone.

As for the Emperor's words, I believe what he means is that "As of becoming a Geass Master, I (had to) relinquish my Geass for a new power (immortality)."

He never really touched on the killing part.

[animus]

What's with the "You must not lie" pact between Charles and V2?

[Buffalobiian]

What's with the "You must not lie" pact between Charles and V2?

It's what V.V. made Charles promise for giving him the power of Geass. C.C. simply asked for Lelouch to grant her wish. I don't know what happens when you break the pact though.

[MFauli]

Wow, VV was a guy? In one of the last episodes i already wondered about the subtitle, but now i cleary heard oni-san. WTF, didnt look like a boy at all. sick

Also, less talk about Geass, more about Orenji-kun:
Did he really have his next change of heart ALREADY? "Your loyality to royality was pure to the end. Im going to avenge you".
These rushed developments are a little bit ridiculous.

And damn Suzaku for beating Karen.

[Buffalobiian]

Also, less talk about Geass, more about Orenji-kun:
Did he really have his next change of heart ALREADY? "Your loyality to royality was pure to the end. Im going to avenge you".
These rushed developments are a little bit ridiculous.



Is that what gg translated it as? Eclipse's version used "But your loyalty to royalty was genuine. Therefore, I will revere you."

It makes more sense.

[shinta|hikari]

Actually, both translations stated above aren't exact (well, avenge is just plain wrong). The most accurate translation would be "Therefore, I respect you". Translating it to "revere" is a bit of an exaggeration.

[Everon]

I'm kinda of disappointed with this show. A lot of everything so far has been about which side can pull out the most powerful gizmo/mecha. Sure the first season had some of that, but not to this kind of level.

This episode finally answered the origins of C.C., but leaves us with a new series of problems as she conveniently forgets and delays the mystery behind Marianne's death. I understand why C.C.'s has partial amnesia (its cute that she wants to be loved), but if they don't wrap it up by next episode they're just unnecessarily elongating the situation.

[animus]

I'm kinda of disappointed with this show. A lot of everything so far has been about which side can pull out the most powerful gizmo/mecha. Sure the first season had some of that, but not to this kind of level.

This episode finally answered the origins of C.C., but leaves us with a new series of problems as she conveniently forgets and delays the mystery behind Marianne's death. I understand why C.C.'s has partial amnesia (its cute that she wants to be loved), but if they don't wrap it up by next episode they're just unnecessarily elongating the situation.

I disagree. So having more than one episode based around developing C.C. who has been the biggest mystery for 2 seasons and her past means they're unnecessarily elongating the situation? Go watch something else.

[Shinji Ikari]

I disagree. So having more than one episode based around developing C.C. who has been the biggest mystery for 2 seasons and her past means they're unnecessarily elongating the situation? Go watch something else.

Word!

I think this is the perfect direction for Code Geass. C.C. was destroyed by her own geass and her immortality. It made her cynical and bitter, which makes it so much harder for her to achieve the one thing that she really wants. This puts her back to being the person she really is and should be (although I really loved he as a cynical person as well :P).

I really hope we finally get to here her name said by Lelouch with much affection and love :D

[Everon]

Calm down. I've been bored up to this point because of the mecha escalation foolery. This last episode was half-decent, but the amnesia twist at the end was pure bullshit. Its an overused technique to prolong soap opera mysteries. They're holding back on what happened to Marriane for much later in the show.

Its fine if they use this amnesia for one episode to reveal personality, but stretching it longer will be boring. Nobody wants to see Lelouch raise a child from the 18th century. I've already seen encino man -- it sucks.

[shinta|hikari]

That is not necessarily the case. I can think of several situations where raising a slave child from the 18th century is worth the trouble.

Here is an example:

(Slight Nudity)
C.C. in captivity (http://shinta-hikari.deviantart.com/art/C-C-in-captivity-92820021)

[David75]

[Nightspeed] Code Geass - Lelouch of the Rebellion R2 - 16 [H 264 1280x720 AAC][6A394616] mkv 351Mb@mininova (http://www.mininova.org/get/1638215)

I have checked the intro and it seems these really are fansubs.
Will update later, by then gg will be ready I guess.

Edit GG:
[gg]_Code_Geass_R2_-_16_[1A0C245B].mkv.torrent (http://ggkthx.org/Torrents/%5Bgg%5D_Code_Geass_R2_-_16_%5B1A0C245B%5D.mkv.torrent)

[oyabun]

Woot thanks! I hope its the real one.

[Dark Dragon]

This is for everyone to enjoy

Warning, do not click until after you have watched the episode: Click (http://randomc.maximum7.net/image/CODE%20GEASS/CODE%20GEASS%20R2%20-%2016%20-%20Kallen%20beating%20up%20Suzaku.gif)

[David75]

Woot thanks! I hope its the real one.
Yup, those subs were quite good for my level of understanding.
Others will wait for GG I guess, not out as of yet.


This is for everyone to enjoy

Warning, do not click until after you have watched the episode: Click (http://randomc.maximum7.net/image/CODE%20GEASS/CODE%20GEASS%20R2%20-%2016%20-%20Kallen%20beating%20up%20Suzaku.gif)
Yes most anticipated scene, but there's one that you forgot, that's unforgivable.
Hint: Cheese!

[RyougaZell]

Oh heck... for a moment I thought the Emperor was going to call Zero 'My Son'

How did Ougi survive? Sayoko was also there with Rolo.
What about Cornelia? And Orange's call?

Kallen owned the episode :D Awesome gif too.

[shinta|hikari]

Exactly, CHEESE!!!

That was pure rapture on her face. And her cuteness does not disappoint. It made me not mind the loss of the previous dry and sarcastic C.C., and that is saying a lot. I loved the scene about the cut and the cold. This sweet and innocent C.C. is definitely better than I expected.

I'm not sure how I like this meeting with Suzaku though... I don't hate him as much as I did before, but the two of them teaming up is kind of lame. I do hope the issue about Euphy gets cleared up though. There is nothing like Suzaku realizing he sold out his best friend over an accident and a misunderstanding.

EDIT: 2 midsection blows, 2 uppercuts, 2 backhands and a slap (in a more combo friendly order of course)? Suzaku must be made of steel, that freak.

[David75]

Exactly, CHEESE!!!
Yeah, pure win I tell you.
I got the premonition that would happen, and there we get that pure pizzzalovervirgin first time :o


That was pure rapture on her face. And her cuteness does not disappoint. It made me not mind the loss of the previous dry and sarcastic C.C., and that is saying a lot. I loved the scene about the cut and the cold. This sweet and innocent C.C. is definitely better than I expected.

Yup.



EDIT: 2 midsection blows, 2 uppercuts, 2 backhands and a slap (in a more combo friendly order of course)? Suzaku must be made of steel, that freak. Well, the guy stopped that highly sharp blade thrown at him in mid air with one hand, so basically it's almost impossible for him to die yet.

[RyougaZell]

I could watch that gif all day long without getting tired...

[Ryllharu]

Aside from the C.C. Slave version fanservice and Kallen's Divine Wrath, quite frankly this episode sucked.

It seemed far more filler than anything else. Well, "set up" if you want to get technical.
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- Lelouch never called her by name, so we still don't know that.

- The Emperor apparently has super-l33t haxorz that can overpower Diethard's distribution (the one that was always able to leak videos in before and no one could stop)

- Cornelia's coversation: cut-off and ignored

- What happened to Viletta? Ogi's fine, Sayoko's fine. Not a word about her though.

- Lelouch calls Suzaku of all people? Sure, C.C. is out of the question for now, and Kallen obviously isn't going to be given a phone, but that's just stupid.

- Nina being a smartass to Lloyd and Cecile. Just because Schneizel gives her money to build her racism-by-Numbers Bomb, suddenly she's better than an Earl who developed anti-gravity and more advanced technology than she'll ever make.

- Introduce stereotypical asshole elitist Knight, the only saving grace was Gino pretty much calling him just that.

- Giving us another goddamned mystery (now about Anya's memories) while they still haven't told us a damn thing about Marianne.

- Orange calls Guilford, why? I'm guessing concerning Cornelia, but oh wait, time to cut to another mystery.
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What did this episode resolve?

[shinta|hikari]

Well, while I do understand your concern, it is as you said, a setup episode. They just introduced a new set of mysteries since several were answered (or complicated?) last time. For me, that means that the succeeding episodes are just that much worth looking forward to and watching.

I think the part about Anya is going to lead to Marianne in some way, so I don't really mind it.

I do agree with the rest of your complaints though.

EDIT: But this blew them all away...

Girl meets Pizza (http://i59.photobucket.com/albums/g310/shinta617/CCmeetsPizza.gif)

[WRX Sti]

Eclipse is out:
http://eclipse.no-sekai.de/

[TheBladeChild]

Jeez this episode introduced added far more questions then it answered. Does this series even intend to be completed by the end of this season? Not that im complaining, I would welcome a 3rd season, if the show maintained its awesomeness. But ya, Kallen beating the crap outta Suzaku was awesome, it was my highlight of the episode at least.

[Ryllharu]

Way out there speculation, but if Anya has had her head messed with as extensively as she seems to believe it has:

- Why does she seem to have fond memories of Lelouch (princely version)?
- If there is a connection to Marianne, is it through her piloting abilities.
- Is it possible...however unlikely, that Lelouch has more than one direct sister?

Again, only in my wildest, fever-ridden dreams would this be true, but for now I can't seem to think of any other reasons that the Emperor would poke around in Anya's head so frequently like that.

She's been another character that they keep making events concerning her a big deal, but they haven't said anything about her. We don't know if she's old family nobility (like the new asshole or the Ashfords), the real significance of the Britannian Crest tattooed on her arm, or even if she has any hobbies other than her camera diary. The series as of late has kept jerking the audience around, piling on mystery after mystery without making any progress. C.C.'s identity was first brought up halfway through season one!

[Everon]

lol at perverts.

[animus]

I'll admit I'm a little perturbed they only spent all of 30 seconds on Cornelia this episode and cut the conversation at a really random spot.

[oyabun]

I could watch that gif all day long without getting tired...

I actually watched the combo for almost 10 times then comes shinta's gif.. you don't wanna know how many times I watched it..

[Shinji Ikari]

I think this episode was great just because of the fact that it didn't answer any questions and instead added to them. Or rather, this episode directed new light to old questions and the creator is basically saying "This is the time for you to remember these questions because they will be dealt with soon".

"It's not a party if it happens every night", they are able to make awesome episodes like 14 and 15 where loads of big questions are answered because they have episodes where these questions are built up as a tease to catch our interest.

Loving every scene with the new C.C, mmmm pizzaaa.

[KrayZ33]

hmmm, actually I liked this episode very much too

I don't see a problem at the moment with new questions comming up. What I didn't like however is for example when Orange called that britannia-guy or simply the conversation with cornelia..because it tells us absolutely nothing but everyone knows that it is important

its like they want to tell us "ooohh look how we create new mysteries... uhuuuu you will keep watching the series just because of that!"

that aside however the episode was pretty good

I really like the new C.C... very cute and kind and I hated Lelouch for hurting her ^^ well at least he understood that he was doing the wrong thing and C.C. isn't mad at him.

so...what I liked:

- The creation of Lelouchs new military force
- C.C. + Lelouch moments
- Britannia's preparations (appearance of the round of ten)
- Suzaku getting beaten up by Kallen
- Anya who seems to be somehow important from now on (she seems to hang out a lot with Suzaku at the moment)
- Masses of people applauding 2 Lolis on a stage
- the hacker King: Charles

what I dislike:

- questions that came up just because they showed a conversation for like 2 seconds
- unneccessary side-character development (like the "love confession" to Todo)
- a series of acts which came out of the blue, like the call of Jeremiah (Orange-kun)
to be honest, there was no sign that he was plotting something or anything similiar..

as I said this is just one those moments which might have a very important role in the following development, but are introduced purely

now everyone knows that something is going to happen between or with Jerimiah and that Britannia guy... but it isn't even worth speculating because we were not given a *single* sign.

Jerimah just joined the Black knights and nothing really happened so far with him.. he seemed to be loyal, no sign of betrayal or even importance, just a normal member of the Black Knights (like one of the soldiers who came with Todo).. and then this call where exactly nothing is told (I hate that, sorry)


btw.. when everyone was screaming "All hail Britannia" and "Long live Japan" there was this Sutherland doing this "beep thingy"

for some reason it felt like Charles was controling this unit for me... or someone important, maye a spy or something... I don't know ^^ I mean it seemed rather pointless to show this unit if nothing is going to happen with it... it just made *beep* and then the "ALL HAIL BRITANNIA" stuff ended...

felt like that *beep* noice means something like "I did it, hee hee *beep beep*" ^^

and for some reason I kinda know what happens in the end with anya especially now after she seems to be used by Charles in some way, or at least she seems to be "geassed" by him...Her Knightmare is called Mordred isn't it?

Wasn't Mordred the guy who fatally wounded *king* Arthur ?

[RyougaZell]

I actually watched the combo for almost 10 times then comes shinta's gif.. you don't wanna know how many times I watched it..

Since it seemed you missed my post on the flaming pit...

Can you PLEASE change the signature? or at least censor it? Some of us browse at work. And please do not answer like that other idiot that posted to deactivate all images from gotwoot forums.

[kenren]

I seriously need to know how Charles does things. Yeah, the love confession scene is very filler-like. Aside from that, the reason why Karen punched Suzaku was because Suzaku tried using Refrain on her? Or is it something else that I've missed?

[shinta|hikari]

It was very foolish of Lelouch to simply assume that his father is dead. He doesn't know anything about that place or what happened, and he just chooses to believe the best possible outcome for him (hasn't he realized luck is not on his side in R2?). Because of his impatience and underestimation of the man who conquered 1/3 of the world, his sister is now in danger. He better start learning not to look down on his enemies, especially since none of them deserve it.

@ken - I'm pretty sure it's the refrain.

[TheBladeChild]

Wasn't Mordred the guy who fatally wounded *king* Arthur ?

Taken from wikipedia:

Mordred or Modred (Welsh: Medraut, Medrod, etc.) is a character in the Arthurian legend, known as a notorious traitor who fought King Arthur at the Battle of Camlann, where he was killed and Arthur fatally wounded. Tradition varies on his relationship to Arthur, but he is best known today as Arthur's illegitimate son by his half-sister Morgause. In earlier literature, he was considered the legitimate son of Morgause, also known as Anna, with her husband King Lot of Orkney. His brothers or half-brothers are Gawain, Agravain, Gaheris, and Gareth.

[shinta|hikari]

Let us not forget that Lancelot also betrayed King Arthur...

[David75]

By the way, Lelouch said about the "thought elevator" that it was some kind of other world. Pretty much in the idea of a virtual/mind world, I guess we don't need to know much more than that.

And his geass is still active. So some questions from last ep are answered, even partly

[TheBladeChild]

Let us not forget that Lancelot also betrayed King Arthur...

I always thought that was a fitting name for Suzaku's Knightmare.

[KrayZ33]

but he is best known today as Arthur's illegitimate son by his half-sister Morgause. In earlier literature, he was considered the legitimate son of Morgause, also known as Anna



Let us not forget that Lancelot also betrayed King Arthur...


would be awesome if charles altered her memories, so he could become the King or something like that

and I haven't even thought about the lancelot ^^

I hope they will do something like that... and didn't choose the names just for show because they were knights of the round.



Aside from that, the reason why Karen punched Suzaku was because Suzaku tried using Refrain on her? Or is it something else that I've missed?


I thought she got angry because Suzaku said "sorry that I wanted to use Refrain on you" and she beat him up saying "DO YOU REALLY THINK I'LL OVERLOOK THIS JUST BECAUSE YOU SAID SORRY?" or something like that

well I don't really care, even though suzaku became less of a whiner (or fanatic) in the last few episode, he deserved it ^^

[shinta|hikari]

The problem about Lancelot being the name of a traitor is it may symbolize Suzaku betraying the emperor (King Arthur in this case?) and siding with Lelouch after he learns about the circumstances surrounding Euphy's death.

[Yukimura]

The Kallen beat down was awesome, it's too bad that Suzaku is made of magic and wasn't actually being hurt by it. Kallen certainly doesn't look like she hits like a girl. but he was only wearing those token bandages for like a day before being perfectly healed. I think he might be beyond the redemption of the rod at this point. He seems to constantly seek out punishment to absolve him of his guilt however he hasn't realized that he simply can't be harmed physically. The only way to reach his twisted mind would be a psychological attack, however he's already too twisted for a psychological attacks to result in him admitting that not only has he been terribly wrong pretty much the whole show but at any time he can CHOOSE to change and start making up for it.

In other news, Cornealia Bondage = Win, Maid C.C. = Epic Win. And OMG the Pizza scene was just too cute.

The plot was pure setup (is there ever enough setup in this show?) but one of the elements I found quite interesting was the "Give Suzaku the Bomb" scenario. Nina is quite the bitch to enthusiastically support putting Suzaku in the position of potentially having to obliterate his former countrymen for the sin of standing up for themselves after he unilaterally decided they should give up. But if it causes Suzaku mental anguish it can't be all that bad, I just hope the loser doesn't actually decide to use it and just ask for more ultimately meaningless beatings from Kallen.

[KrayZ33]

btw I lol'd when I saw this here

http://img205.imageshack.us/img205/1957/vlcsnap344091mr7.png

I had to go to wikipedia to find out why this is the case, but still its funny that they haven't conquered their own "motherland" yet.

[staffcc]

Hahaha that's true. Well code geass does have an alternate universe story...

[David75]

I guess the explanation comes from the fact you understand the britanian empire much better when your not in Great Brittain.
But sometimes it's also just a lack of culture from the creators, or the fact that the homeland is never considered the same no matter what.

[staffcc]

Is it really an oversight? Well, its not really a big deal anyway, unless they somehow make it part of the story right?

[KrayZ33]

You can read the reason on wikipedia... it makes sense since history is different in Code Geass..

I don't think it's a spoiler so I'll sum it up: (it has nothing to do with the current storyline in Code geass imho, it was helpful to know in the very first episodes and I hardly doubt that it will be explained...well maybe it has alrdy been explained in season 1.. not sure)

It has to do with Julius Caeser's invasion beeing resisted by the celtic people who selected their first "king" (who started the imperial line around ~56 ), the colonie's rebellion ( 1776 ... I think thats when the british forces came to America to break the rebillion) beeing supressed and Napoleon conquering the British Isles a few years later...

the king was exiled(?) to america and startes his campaign there. (see the development of britannia's territory in this episode)

[staffcc]

Interesting take on history. I guess it makes sense then.

[KrayZ33]

ya it makes sense but its still ironical that they conquered half of the world (and with that most of europe) but not that small isle where they actually came from ^^

[animus]

Arthur is already named in the anime, and he's a neko!

[lelouch]

Arthur is already named in the anime, and he's a neko!

Perhaps suzaku will betray his cat!

[Buffalobiian]

I thought this episode was good in it's own ways.

One thing that struck me when I watched this ep (around 5mins ago), then read these comments, is regarding Orange-kun's call.

All we saw was Jeremiah call Guilford.

Most people suspected Orange's betrayal, from just that one scene. Yet we've seen just how true Lord Jeremiah's loyalty to Britannia was.
He regretted his impotence in protecting Marianne. He would die to know someone still fights for Marianne. He would respect someone for their loyalty regardless of how they mutilated his body.
In this episode, he'd rather hand Cornelia over than simply "let her go", even though she too is of loyalty. That's Jeremiah.

Knowing that, and seeing Guildford's dumbstruck face in the parade afterwards (15:05) makes me think otherwise:

Jeremiah is trying to recruit the Glaston Knights.




Edit: regarding Viletta, it looked like she could have taken a direct hit on those rocks last ep.
And about Anya's memories, the writers introduced an interesting nutcase full of mysteries this season, and they've also provided the key that is the Geass Canceler.

[TheBladeChild]

In other news, Cornealia Bondage = Win, Maid C.C. = Epic Win. And OMG the Pizza scene was just too cute.


You forgot more screen time for Kallen in that dress^^.

[rockmanj]

The plot was pure setup (is there ever enough setup in this show?) but one of the elements I found quite interesting was the "Give Suzaku the Bomb" scenario. Nina is quite the bitch to enthusiastically support putting Suzaku in the position of potentially having to obliterate his former countrymen for the sin of standing up for themselves after he unilaterally decided they should give up. But if it causes Suzaku mental anguish it can't be all that bad, I just hope the loser doesn't actually decide to use it and just ask for more ultimately meaningless beatings from Kallen.

Of course the episode was win just for the Karen scene (I can take or leave the C.C. stuff), but Ive noticed that I actually respect what the writers have done with Nina..like even though she's fictional, I seethe when she's onscreen. I mean, even though I'm no Suzaku fan, she has some nerve to suggest that to Lloyd, while Suzaku is standing right there, and then say it with a totally straight face, and of course bring up Euphy in the process. Lloyd shoulda back handed her instead of just threatened her.

[staffcc]

I agree with everything you said about Nina. I didn't like Euphie, but using her name like that os just low... Its too bad Nunnally is not there to expose her table-screwing hobby and shame her forever... Well, after seeing her expose her insanity and ugly crazy face from time to time, I guess having a table fetish is not such a big deal...

[Buffalobiian]

I agree with everything you said about Nina. I didn't like Euphie, but using her name like that os just low... Its too bad Nunnally is not there to expose her table-screwing hobby and shame her forever... Well, after seeing her expose her insanity and ugly crazy face from time to time, I guess having a table fetish is not such a big deal...

.....wait, THAT"S what the table was for.....:confused:

[KrayZ33]

I just rewatched the episode and I wondered why Lelouch's Geass has no effect on C.C.

Is she still immortal and a geass master?

we know now that Lelouch isn't immortal because he still has his geass... so the only thing that changed is that C.C. has lost her memories?
Just wanted to respeak this point, because it was one of the questions we (or probably just me?) had in the last episode.

and does C.C. has a new VA now? If not, then she does a great job.. for me C.C. sounds totally different now... I like the new sound of her voice more than the old one

[Buffalobiian]

I just rewatched the episode and I wondered why Lelouch's Geass has no effect on C.C.

Is she still immortal and a geass master?

we know now that Lelouch isn't immortal because he still has his geass... so the only thing that changed is that C.C. has lost her memories?
Just wanted to respeak this point, because it was one of the questions we (or probably just me?) had in the last episode.

It slipped my mind, but yes, that very question crossed my mind too. It's not very CodeGeass-like to leave plot holes wide open. Has it ever been established whether Geass simply do not work on the one who gave it to you, or to all Immortals in general? We've never seen a match between C.C.- Rolo, nor V.V. - Lelouch. If all immortals are indeed immune to any Geass, we could attribute that to certain bodily changes that occur when they acquired immortality. Becoming a mortal may not completely reverse the change.

[NeoCybercoin]

It slipped my mind, but yes, that very question crossed my mind too. It's not very CodeGeass-like to leave plot holes wide open.

Well I don't recall him giving her an order besides STOP when she wanted to take of her clothes. And then he said that before looking her in the eye =\

Oh and I love Suzaku's face on this one

http://img66.imageshack.us/img66/8049/vlcsnap165109qc0.th.png (http://img66.imageshack.us/my.php?image=vlcsnap165109qc0.png)

[KrayZ33]

well but the geassed target normally gets the "red eyes".
take the scene where he tested his geass with the teacher.

he called the teachers name who looked into his eyes then and became influenced by it. and _after_ that he gave the order, if I remember it correctly

I'm pretty sure she is still immune against geasses.

why should she become back to normal, when Lelouch still has his geass and he did not take her code because it would be visible on his forehead then... well ok his hair is probably hiding it.. but it would be strange if he has the code and the geass.

I bet everything that happened is the destruction of the cyberworld they were fighting last episode, which caused the amnesia

[Buffalobiian]

I bet everything that happened is the destruction of the cyberworld they were fighting last episode, which caused the amnesia

I believe that too, but that then leads us to another question. Why was it only C.C's memories that were erased, if say it had nothing to do with semi-removing her code? Both Charles and Lelouch were there too, and neither lose their memories. If you thought it's 'cause C.C. was immortal, well so was Charles.

[shinta|hikari]

True. The logical conclusion would be to point at the incomplete ritual as the cause.

C.C. still seems to be immune to geass, but maybe that's because the ritual was not completed as well. She is definitely not immortal though, since the cut on her finger bled like crazy and did not seem to heal up.

[staffcc]

But we don't really see if it the wound closed or not, since the blood was covering it, so it's not sure...

[RyougaZell]

It slipped my mind, but yes, that very question crossed my mind too. It's not very CodeGeass-like to leave plot holes wide open. Has it ever been established whether Geass simply do not work on the one who gave it to you, or to all Immortals in general? We've never seen a match between C.C.- Rolo, nor V.V. - Lelouch. If all immortals are indeed immune to any Geass, we could attribute that to certain bodily changes that occur when they acquired immortality. Becoming a mortal may not completely reverse the change.

Wasn't Charles already immortal when Lelouch geassed him to kill himself?

I mean... he was, because he survided... duh...

So my guess is that Rollo could well use his Geass to stop CC... or Lelouch could have made VV do something. Dunno. Like order him to stay underwater forever... how will an immortal react to that? (this one of VV of course before giving his immortality to Charles)

[staffcc]

It didn't work. The emperor just pretended to be affected, which is why Lelouch failed when he tried again and again after that.

That means all immortals in the show are immune to all forms of geass.

[KrayZ33]

C.C. still seems to be immune to geass, but maybe that's because the ritual was not completed as well. She is definitely not immortal though, since the cut on her finger bled like crazy and did not seem to heal up.

true(!), now I understand why Lelouch was so concerned about C.C. just because she bleed a "little", I think he knows that she isn't immortal anymore... and that is the reason why they showed us that C.C. got a band-aid on her finger.. because it didn't heal automatically like all her wounds before

my bad for missing that. but it makes perfect sense now

then its all the more confusing why Lelouch still has the geass etc... well, but as you said, its probably because of the ritual which was not done correctly

[staffcc]

I forgot about the band aid too! I guess its already a sure thing that C.C. is human now, but the reason why she is immune to geass is still a mystery... Maybe like buffalobiian said, once you become immune you become immune forever, like vaccination...

Isn't it funny how geass sounds almost like guess? which is pretty much all we are doing all the time... :)

[RyougaZell]

It didn't work. The emperor just pretended to be affected, which is why Lelouch failed when he tried again and again after that.

That means all immortals in the show are immune to all forms of geass.

He did not pretend. He did get the characteristic red eyes of a Geass'ed person.

[animus]

He did not pretend. He did get the characteristic red eyes of a Geass'ed person.

He actually didn't. In episode 15 around the 4 minute range, all you see is the red lasers enter Charles' eyes but you never see them outlined which is characteristic of Geass'd people. So it was pretty clear he was pretending.

[staffcc]

I checked the episode again just to be sure, but he did not have the red ring on his eyes. In fact, the scene never showed his face close enough to confirm that he was geassed. The red geass light reflected from the mirrors just flew into his eyes, but it was never shown whether it worked or not. The emperor just shouted in reaction, like he got hit, but all of that may be acting.

In another episode, somewhere in season 1 with C.C. during the Mao arc, it was shown that the light will still fly into the target's eyes even if it is immune, but there will be no effect.

[David75]

Do not forget that when Lelouch geass'd Charles, they were in another world, possibly one created by Charles mind through some thought amplifier.
So basically the rules there are manipulated by those who understand how to manipulate the correct thoughts.
Charles let Lelouch use what he thought to be his geass on him and played with him. But this was only some mind/dream experience

[Ryllharu]

and does C.C. has a new VA now? If not, then she does a great job.. for me C.C. sounds totally different now... I like the new sound of her voice more than the old one
Nope. Still totally Yukana (http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/encyclopedia/people.php?id=952).

She's just using the calm version of her Tessa voice instead of her C.C. one. With a bit less of the cutesy tones Tessa has. Yukana has a lot of range. Not as much as Kaori Nazuka (Nunnally) or Saeko Chiba (Nina), and nowhere near Satomi Arai (Sayoko), but it is very notable.

(The other three have characters in other series you would never guess were voiced by the same person.)

[shinta|hikari]

Yukana's always done a great job in voicing C.C. This is just an extension of that. I like both, but I still prefer the haughty, arrogant, and extremely sexy voice from before.

I used to think that Kallen was not voiced as well, until I saw spice and wolf, where Ami Koshimizu arguably exceeds Yukana's performance in Code Geass. Maybe it's just because Kallen has a very straightforward manner of speech, even with her two personalities.

[Buffalobiian]

I checked the episode again just to be sure, but he did not have the red ring on his eyes. In fact, the scene never showed his face close enough to confirm that he was geassed. The red geass light reflected from the mirrors just flew into his eyes, but it was never shown whether it worked or not. The emperor just shouted in reaction, like he got hit, but all of that may be acting.

In another episode, somewhere in season 1 with C.C. during the Mao arc, it was shown that the light will still fly into the target's eyes even if it is immune, but there will be no effect.

It's true that as of now, I don't think we can conclusively gather whether Charles was acting or not. Like we've discussed, we didn't get close enough to see the red ring, nor did we see the synaptic change in the brain, either of which are able to confirm our suspicions.
We know that once the person carries out Lelouch's order, they're free from it's effects. Problem is now, if Charles was indeed affected, did he complete the order, which was "DIE!"?

[MFauli]

ONCE AGAIN, suzaku proved what an ass he is. having a "condition", when lelouch wants him to save nunnaly..sigh

[staffcc]

@Buff - We know that if the target of the geass can't fulfill the order, they will simply stand there. If the emperor was immortal, he would have just stood there dumbfounded if he was given the order to "die!" by Lelouch.

[Buffalobiian]

@Buff - We know that if the target of the geass can't fulfill the order, they will simply stand there. If the emperor was immortal, he would have just stood there dumbfounded if he was given the order to "die!" by Lelouch.

Quite right. I didn't think about that. But then, do these immortal die and revive? We know that they come back, but before then, do they experience a "death"? I'm not sure myself. If it was true however, then it opens up the possibility of Charles dying, then talking again.

[RyougaZell]

So it seems I mistook the scene. But neverthelss... Buff points out something interesting in the previous post.

We clearly saw VV acting like nothing when he got hit with the knife on the forehead, but then... why did CC staid down on the very first episode when she was shot? First season I mean.

Do they stay down for a bit and regain conciousness and if they experience more and more deaths (lol) they get up faster?

Ok, that was random.

[Buffalobiian]

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[RyougaZell]

Excellent! Haven't downloaded an Ali Project song in a while.
Thanks.

[staffcc]

Wow, thanks for the link! I love Ali Project!!! :)

[Buffalobiian]

*bump with ED02 art*

http://img521.imageshack.us/img521/3893/aliiw7.jpg

[shinta|hikari]

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I will comment later when people have watched the show...

But I must say,

Spoiler:



I really want Suzaku to die.

[RyougaZell]

Mixed feeling with the episode.

While I approve of Schneizel ruining a truce between Suzaku and Lelouch, I did not quite understand what really happened. What's with this 'who is Suzaku really?'

The orange-haired Knight of Round is a bastard.

What is Gino trying to do telling that to Kallen?

Weird to see Lelouch crying over the fact of Suzaku 'betraying' him, when he has betrayed many. And why the hell did he not say the truth about Euphie? About being it an accident?

Guilford... what will happen now with him?

Isn't sending Rolo a gamble? He could well kill Nunally... and will Lelouch ever fulfill his promise to Kallen? Of rescuing her...

[shinta|hikari]

The Suzaku question is about where his loyalties lie.

Gino is trying to get Kallen on their side.

Lelouch didn't "betray" many. To betray someone, you have to give loyalty to them first. Most of the time, Lelouch just deceives and uses them from the get go. Lelouch was surprised and anguished because he never thought Suzaku would betray him in such a way, actually plotting to capture him by giving his word to meet alone at the shrine.

Lelouch didn't tell Suzaku about the whole thing because it is quite unbelievable and would sound like an excuse, but I also think he did so mainly because he genuinely feels responsible for the unfortunate accidents, and by principle had to admit to them like he lied about everything else he did. It was his way of carrying the guilt and punishment for his actions.

You have a point with Rolo, but maybe Lelouch simply has no choice but to send him because of his geass.

[WRX Sti]

eclipse subs are out:
http://eclipse.no-sekai.de/

[Lucifus]

Anyone else adore the scene with C2 and her bandage ring?

<3

[Kraco]

Lelouch isn't quite stabile these days. I wonder what he really expected when he went to meet Suzaku. Surely not getting betrayed, that much is clear, but it's also hard to believe he would have thought everything would go his way in such a situation. Quite a lot could have gone wrong in any case, and now when something went wrong, he seemed unreasonably distraught. Especially considering Suzaku had already once handed him over to the Emperor.

Sending Rollo is quite a gamble but maybe even Rollo understands that if Nunnally dies, Lelouch is finished, himself.

The Vampire of Britannia was quite a bastard indeed! Let's hope he will die in a spectacular fight in the next ep.

[Ryllharu]

I didn't catch the fact that the bandaid was on the ring finger of her left hand until this episode (where they made it obvious). Makes you wonder what is going on in her head now that she's been properly fed and treated for what would be the first time in her recollection. Not to mention she's the close-kept personal servant of the most powerful person she knows.

As much as I disliked the way they are treating the whole Ogi/Viletta side story [read: all but ignoring it and then just jumping ahead without telling us anything], I did really like the point that Diethard made. People like Ougi and yes, even Tamaki are necessary because they are "normal" people that recruits can connect with. They're not long-time rebel ace pilot/commanders, Japanese royalty, former Generals, assassins, genius scientists or Zero's concubine. Ougi, though his tactical or combat usefulness is limited, is a symbol of the kind of people they want to gain the sympathy and support.

As easy as it was to hate Suzaku this episode for being a hypocrite as always, there is something we have to take back from this. The series centers around Lelouch, far out of proportion to Suzaku. We know that Lelouch was going to surrender to Euphie. We know Lelouch blames himself for it, even though it wasn't completely his fault. Same for Shirley (twice). We can hate Suzaku here because we really know how much Lelouch, prideful Lelouch, is proselytizing before his former friend, taking all the blame in the slimmest hope that he might get one single favor. But Suzaku knows none of this. That's why he asked it all. Does it make me hate him any less? No. But it is something we have to keep in mind.

Now the ones to really hate are Schniezel and that douchebag Canon. Schniezel because he now claims to have the upper hand in the grand scheme of things, has control of Nina's Nuke, and seems to know a lot more know that he's forced Suzaku to tell him everything. But why hate Canon even more? Because he has the fucking gall to tell Suzaku, "I'm in no position to reprimand you, but I would if you weren't the Knight of Seven." Since when is a weakling little manservant in the position to insult and look down on someone who puts themselves at risk to live up to their ideals (misguided as Suzaku's may be).

Schemers have no right to insult the honor of those that would stand on the front lines for what they believe in.

That is what separates Lelouch, Suzaku, Cornelia, Euphemia, Xingke, Kallen, and Orange-kun from the likes of Schniezel, Canon, Nina, the eunuchs, various unimportant governors, and the Emperor.

(and Gino is totally luring Kallen out so that he might get a chance to touch the boobs bursting out of her dress.)

[Inazuma]

Things are getting fuzzy, and it's shit. More players on the field, more complex personas, more plots and schemers.

I can only think of one thing, Nina's Nuke. I just want it to be set off when in Suzaku's rectum.

[Carnage]

Out of all the shitty characters in this series (and there are a lot), I most definitely hate Suzaku the most.

[Yukimura]

I hope everyone noticed that Schnizels boy toy has a recording of Lelouch's conversation with Suzaku. That could be a pretty handy tool if applied at the right moment.

Anyway, sending Rollo to get Nunally is pretty dumb, but Lelouch seems to think he's won Rollo over with the idea of being added to his family instead of replacing it.

More Cornelia bondage scenes are always welcome, I can't wait till they come out with a miniature of that, I think I'll have to buy it.

And the biggest setup in this ep woudl be Suzaku + Nuclear Warhead + Messed up head. Imagine the haterade we'll be able to pour on Suzaku if he ends up nuking the capital of his homeland in the pursuit of his misguided nonsense ideology (b/c making everyone happy by letting Britannia enslave them is so much more fun than fighting against Britainnian enslavement and advocating freedom).

[The Heretic Azazel]

I also thought that was an interesting use of the Geass. Up till now I assumed if a person couldn't physically complete a command (like Shirley being ordered to live when she was dying) it wouldn't work on them. I didn't really consider his order to appear as Cornelia as something you can order someone to do.

[shinta|hikari]

Ordering someone to imagine something else to replace another thing (like imagining something from nothing, or forgetting about certain things) seems normally impossible, but it really is not that far-fetched. It can happen when one experiences trauma, and people in denial can do it as well (though of course involuntarily). This makes it physically possible, just mentally implausible, a situation we have seen overcome by geass numerous times.

@Ryll - I thought about what you said about Suzaku, and that has been his excuse for the longest time. We all know Suzaku is not a "bad" guy. If anything, he tries to do the "right" thing all the time (as confused, stupid and misguided his perception of that is). I didn't hate him for that in this episode. It is his usual hypocrisy that strikes me as hateful. Let me elaborate.

Suzaku from one week ago (the one that has not been ordered to nuke his own country, the one that did not have to worry about his blind little friend Nunnally being held hostage or hurt) would never even think of talking to, much less negotiating with Lelouch/Zero. He wanted to know about certain things (like the order to live etc.), but those can be obtained through refrain or physical torture. He would never have offered his hand to help (this is of course because he does not know the whole situation, like Ryll said).

Why does he do it now? Because he is stuck in a situation where he realizes that the side he trusted was all twisted, and that the only way out would be to use Lelouch. It is so funny how alike they think at times, but the look of disgust on his face when he was talking about how Nunnally commented on how similar Lelouch and him have become was the height of his hypocrisy.

Again, is he aware about becoming like his hated rival? No, of course not. His hypocrisy extends to himself. It is so powerful he can fool himself into thinking that his bullshit talk about making Zero's lies real and fighting for justice is actually for the greater good instead of his own personal agenda. He can't even clean up his own mess (much like Lelouch, only Lelouch had it much tougher) so he decides to get his "best friend" to do it. The main difference here is, Lelouch bowed his head to get what he wants, while Suzaku stepped on it.

Kicking people while they are down is one of the most disgusting things anyone can do. I bet even Suzaku knows that Lelouch didn't do all the things he said he did (having known him when they were children), but he needed a convenient outlet for his powerlessness, and what is more accessible than a a person (you hate) groveling on the ground for a favor (one that should be in line with Suzaku's ideal of protecting the innocent)? What he did was like extortion really, but that is just another fact he can easily bury in his long list of the things he has conveniently forgotten, or ignored.

[Kraco]

It's not like I'd feel any need to defend Suzaku but I'll still point out he's not fighting for his own vision as such as much as he's trying to create a peaceful world, just like Lelouch. It's just that his way for that end is quite the opposite to Lelouch's. This episode showed the first time that Suzaku might have doubted the effectiveness of his own choice. Obviously if both of them follow their own ways there can't be anything but conflict, since they are at opposing sides, but yet Suzaku was going to give Lelouch a chance to prove his way is a valid one.

It's safe to say Suzaku is getting more and more lost. After Euphie died he hasn't really had anything or anybody specific to defend. That makes me think Lelouch's willingness to go so far to defend Nunnally must have affected Suzaku and reminded him of his old self (or rather what he imagined he was, since he's always been a killer in reality).

[shinta|hikari]

I can only think of one thing, Nina's Nuke. I just want it to be set off when in Suzaku's rectum.
When I read this, I initially thought that the idea was impossible, then I remembered how big of an asshole Suzaku is. Now, it almost seems that the nuke is too small.

@Luci - While I always love C.C., there was something weird about how she was drawn in that scene (particularly the face). I don't hate it, but its not up to the usual level of hotness.

[Inazuma]

When I read this, I initially thought that the idea was impossible, then I remembered how big of an asshole Suzaku is. Now, it almost seems that the nuke is too small.

@Luci - While I always love C.C., there was something weird about how she was drawn in that scene (particularly the face). I don't hate it, but its not up to the usual level of hotness.

So I'm not alone when I think that CC was drawn out of proportions.

Btw, Excalibur ? They could have made it a lot better, when you think of Excalibur + Knightmare you would expect a sword that shoot dinosaurs or some shit. Not just some vibration sword.

[KrayZ33]

I wonder if the knight of one has a geass
http://img98.imageshack.us/img98/2415/neubitmapew8.jpg

who would stitch up his own eye?

@Luci - While I always love C.C., there was something weird about how she was drawn in that scene (particularly the face). I don't hate it, but its not up to the usual level of hotness.

actually her look on that scene reminded me of the old C.C.... hugging the stuffed animal like she always did... and daydreaming. it was nothing like the "pizza eating scene" or any other scene after she lost her memories... but I can't rewatch it because I don't remember the exact time... and I'm to lazy to rewatch the whole episode ^^ (if someone can tell me or remembers it roughly feel free to tell me, because I found it absolutely adorable ^^)

btw:
I wonder what Charles is planning.... the screen said "GEASS" and they called it Ragnarok...
"The annihilation of the weak" I guess?

What I did not understand at all in this episode was: Schneizel talking nonesense.... (for me he seemed to act a bit too enigmatic)
I know that the recording is very usefull for him because he can use it to kill his status.. "A former prince of britannia as the leader of the black knights? no way!"
but for some reason I still don't get what he's after, it seems like he doesn't like Charles for some reason and wants to betray him... or at least he thinks different than him (btw I thought he already knew about the existence of Geass)

all in all, good episode even though I hate it when there are alot of "gundam fights"...
A whole flank crumbles just because there is a single knightmare..

[Lucifus]

I don't know about you guys but I'm with KrayZee, C2 was absolutly adorable all innocent and happy like that.

8:02 - 8:10

8 Seconds of sunshine.

[Ryllharu]

I wonder what Charles is planning.... the screen said "GEASS" and they called it Ragnarok...
"The annihilation of the weak" I guess?

What I did not understand at all in this episode was: Schneizel talking nonesense.... (for me he seemed to act a bit too enigmatic)
I know that the recording is very usefull for him because he can use it to kill his status.. "A former prince of britannia as the leader of the black knights? no way!"
but for some reason I still don't get what he's after, it seems like he doesn't like Charles for some reason and wants to betray him... or at least he thinks different than him (btw I thought he already knew about the existence of Geass)

Ragnarok is the norse apocalype, known primarily for a large snake swallowing the sun. Perhaps he intends to build something to swallow Jupiter instead? Or maybe...just maybe, he intends to enter a so called "Jupiter Space" and attack one of the gods named Ishtar. Then in killing her, he will remake the world in his own vision.

/back to being serious

I starting to think that all along the Emperor meant for Schneizel and Lelouch to fight in a war of succession. Lelouch said that his only true equal in chess was Schneizel. Charles obviously wants to move onto bigger and better things, and we've heard all about how unfair he thinks the world is during that flashback that showed Marianne and C.C. together while he talked to V.V.

So what better way to find someone worthy to take over your empire? Let the eldest, weakest, dumbest heirs fall to the wayside, and let the two best and brightest fight over the entire world. Euphie was an easy sacrifice for him, Cornelia was too dependent on her little sister, the eldest (or second eldest) is a big dumb wuss who was pushed by one of his younger brothers into marrying Tian Zi. The others we don't know much about, but they seem to be more interested in the politics of things and being important. Certainly not enough to do anything that would put them in danger.

We just don't know where Schneizel stands. He's a huge manipulator, but not in the same way Lelouch is. He tells the gentle like Euphie and Nunnally that he only wants peace in this world, and he tells Nina and her kind (racists) that they need the ultimate military might to make that peaceful world. We really don't know what he's after, but no method is certainly beneath him in making it happen.

[MFauli]

um, i guess im the only one again, but this episode felt so horribly rushed...

cant really go into detail, because the whole thing made me feel that. i wouldnt be surprised if Karen joined Britannia next episode...

[Carnage]

Ragnarok is the norse apocalype, known primarily for a large snake swallowing the sun. Perhaps he intends to build something to swallow Jupiter instead? Or maybe...just maybe, he intends to enter a so called "Jupiter Space" and attack one of the gods named Ishtar. Then in killing her, he will remake the world in his own vision.

/back to being serious

I starting to think that all along the Emperor meant for Schneizel and Lelouch to fight in a war of succession. Lelouch said that his only true equal in chess was Schneizel. Charles obviously wants to move onto bigger and better things, and we've heard all about how unfair he thinks the world is during that flashback that showed Marianne and C.C. together while he talked to V.V.

So what better way to find someone worthy to take over your empire? Let the eldest, weakest, dumbest heirs fall to the wayside, and let the two best and brightest fight over the entire world. Euphie was an easy sacrifice for him, Cornelia was too dependent on her little sister, the eldest (or second eldest) is a big dumb wuss who was pushed by one of his younger brothers into marrying Tian Zi. The others we don't know much about, but they seem to be more interested in the politics of things and being important. Certainly not enough to do anything that would put them in danger.

We just don't know where Schneizel stands. He's a huge manipulator, but not in the same way Lelouch is. He tells the gentle like Euphie and Nunnally that he only wants peace in this world, and he tells Nina and her kind (racists) that they need the ultimate military might to make that peaceful world. We really don't know what he's after, but no method is certainly beneath him in making it happen.

I love the bold.

[animus]

I wish they would do something with Cornelia already. She's been in a cell block for like the past 4 episodes. But we do get some fanservice from the peculiar way she's bound, mmm.

[RyougaZell]

I wish they would do something with Kallen already. She's been in a cell block for like the past 7 episodes. But we do get some fanservice from the peculiar way she's dressed and how she beats Suzaku, mmm.


Fixed...

[Kraco]

Decisive measures:

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[Ryllharu]

This episode left me with mixed feelings.

The Gurren has become a bit too much like another Gurren for my tastes. I mean, Kallen is tossing mini-galaxies around already. The little kid in me knows how awesome the two fights with wannabe-Vampire (thank god his role was short) and and Suzaku, but come on. It is Sunrise, and this isn't the first time retardedly overpowered things have existed in their series (any Gundam, Mai-Hime/Otome, etc), but we all came into Geass expecting a little less over-the-top mecha. The technological arms race has gone completely out of control now.

...and now this very overt Nationalist series has gone on to one more touchy subject from Japanese history. I'm interested in how the citizens (Japanese or Britannian colonists) examine the aftermath of being nuked.

What irked me the most was...again, various characters getting just enough time to make it really, really annoying.
- Cornelia [sexier-than-ever version] escaped.
- Anya had another Geass reaction and went comatose in mid flight.
- Though we know Diethard has her, no sign, and only one mention of Viletta.
Those lines pretty much sum up their involvement in the episode. We get freaking tertiary character development ("Oh, I saved you Nagisa, because you still need to tell Todou you love him.") but where the hell is the secondary character development!

Don't they care enough to even have another character mention how weird it is that Anya keeps falling out of the sky when she touches Zero's Knightmare?

/grumble, grumble, bitch, bitch, rant

Oh wait, "mixed feelings" means that I thought there was something redeeming about this episode. I suppose Cornelia will have to do.

[MFauli]

someone got a direct download link for this episode? :(

[Kraco]

I thought this was a good ep. I didn't expect Nunnally to die (ruling Area 11 certainly is detrimental to one's expected lifespan) but in addition to that the episode suggested subtly that Lelouch's rule might be crumbling also otherwise. Although knowing how attached he was to his little sister, it's not like he would need any harder a hit. All in all this wasn't certainly Lelouch's season...

So, seeing how things are falling apart left and right, I'm not sure how big a role uber mechas might anymore play. Well, we still do have quite a few eps left so anything could happen (and probably will happen since this is Code Geass), but likewise it's also possible the vehicles will play a lesser role. Especially if Lelouch won't get his act together anymore enough to conquer lands. I'm sure he will still do something but do knightmares play a big role, is another thing. In the end, if you consider this episode, it's not like Kallen's new uber Gurren really solved the whole thing. It forced Suzaku to use the wmd but honestly if he hadn't been fated to use it, the whole thing wouldn't have been introduced in the first place.

[animus]

Mmm Cornelia. I swear she's got everyone beat in bust size probably.

[Splash!]

It really sucks that Lelouch's geass caused Suzaku to fire FLEIA. It will just give him another reason to blame Lelouch, even though it was probably his own damn fault for putting himself in that situation. But I don't quite understand how Lelouch's 'live on' command translates into launching a mega warhead that is not in the direction of the person directly attacking him.

It is also very interesting that Nunally didn't die at Rollo's hands. It makes the whole situation with Rollo very unpredictable.

With Nunnally dead , if the Japanese betray Lelouch now, I don't think he will even have the will to continue anymore. He'll be completely screwed. Maybe theres a chance that Diethard will play a major role in preserving zero's image for the time being.

[Ryllharu]

Suzaku intended to lauch FLEIA and kill Zero, Kallen and himself because the Gurren as kicking his ass so badly. The "Live" command made him miss so that he would not take himself out due to the enormous blast radius. So the shot goes directly for the palace, "killing" Nunnally and everyone else.

Why then, was Schineizel smiling when he specifically saw the FLEIA hit the palace (thus "killing" Nunnally)? Is it because he would know that something like that would break Lelouch's determination?

("Killing" Nunnally because this is first and foremost, a Sunrise series. Even seeing a body is not good enough. We need to see the blood drain out of them, like with Euphie and we need to see them buried.)

[Board of Command]

Why then, was Schineizel smiling when he specifically saw the FLEIA hit the palace (thus "killing" Nunnally)? Is it because he would know that something like that would break Lelouch's determination?
That's probably it. Lelouch originally started everything for Nunally's sake, and how that she's gone, he'll probably break down as well.

[Splash!]

Suzaku intended to lauch FLEIA and kill Zero, Kallen and himself because the Gurren as kicking his ass so badly. The "Live" command made him miss so that he would not take himself out due to the enormous blast radius. So the shot goes directly for the palace, "killing" Nunnally and everyone else.


Are you sure about that? To me it seems like Suzaku did not intend to launch FLEIA at all. He just wanted Kallen to kill him. He grabbed the gun from behind Lancelot's back only after the 'live on' command had been activated and he had safely gotten out of the gurren's way. I don't see how he could have possibly launched FLEIA whilst Kallen was still attacking him. He didn't have enough time.

[Idealistic]

Sayako used some ninjutsu and teleported her and Nunnally to safety.

It's that simple.

[Darknodin]

Sayako used some ninjutsu and teleported her and Nunnally to safety.

It's that simple.

i find it interesting that this is as plausible as "she's dead in the explosion that killed everyone else around her".

anyways... it's kind of cool that Suzaku killed Nunnaly the same way Lelouch killed Euphemia...

[Carnage]

Yes, now Nunally is dead! Took fucking long enough. And cool new weapons as well. I love how they try to develop the character of every fucking ant in this series. Its almost as if the writers couldn't possibly put more focus on the people that actually matter.

[TheBladeChild]

Im not convinced she's and Ryll said before this is Sunrise were talking about here. Lelouch is emotionally screwed now that his sister is dead and with no C.C. to comfort him this time makes it all the worse for him.

[Inazuma]

I'm going to go with Ryll here ...
Fact is that Nunnaly and Sayoko being dead "just like that" in a Sunrise franchise sounds just stupid.
Mega Weapon of sure doom will get countered by the simple fact that they were in an escape shuttle that could easily kick some Mach7 speed. Thus, they are still alive (more like 50/50 to be, knowing Sunrise).

Kallen is back and kicking ass, Cornelia is out, Suzaku killed millions of his own kind and the person (Blind, young, caring and cute) he lived his childhood with, Orange got upgraded to SiegFriedShutterlandSniperthingy, Scheinzel is coming to town, Dad coming to see the party from the other side of the street, nukes, side chars dying, OBK loyalty to Zero falling apart.

If you don't think this ep is good, go get yourself checked by Keiko Nobumoto and have your standards reviewed.

(Note : Cowboy Bebop was a Sunrise prod too, even tough that the main characters are actually dead or believed to be dead.)

(Did I triple posted? if I did, sorry.)

[oyabun]

The empire will probably find a way to blame the Black Knights for the nuke. It really didn't matter for me that Nunully died aside from the effect that Zero needed to have a 1 episode comeback from depression. What really affects me that the black knights lost a very vital agent which is Sayoko. Assuming she did die. But I'm still hoping for the teleportation theory,,,

[xtallography]

If Rolo was in the same hangar as they were and yet he somehow managed to escape (maybe 5 sec geass head start), then it's not out of the real of possibility that the Nunully express with someone onboard who knew what the FLEIA was could have made it out in time.

I wish they'd kill off Rolo already.

[ChaosK]

If Rolo was in the same hangar as they were and yet he somehow managed to escape (maybe 5 sec geass head start), then it's not out of the real of possibility that the Nunully express with someone onboard who knew what the FLEIA was could have made it out in time.

I wish they'd kill off Rolo already.

Rolo hijacked a Knightmare and was waiting outside the hanger to shoot down Nunnally's shuttle. He only escaped because he was in a Britannian Knightmare and everybody else was going "GET THE FUCK OUTTA THERE!!!" Just wondering, did they ever define FLEIA? In the beginning of gg's sub, they had a note that said Freya=FLEIA (cause they had been calling it Freya until that point) and then said it was some stupid Britannian Engrish acronym, but I didn't see it defined...

Also in the intro, they show what I believe is Tristan and the Mordred in line with the Black Knights knightmares...next episode is Betrayal, either we finally explore Anya's weird geass reactions and she joins Lelouch as like..his other sister, Lelouch finally kills Rolo or Suzaku once again betrays Lelouch by blsming the destruction caused by FLEIA on him.

[animus]

Still don't understand why it took Cornelia so long to escape, I mean she had plenty of time to, but why that exact time.

[shinta|hikari]

@CK - The last one isn't really betrayal though, but more like denial and transfer of guilt.

@animus - it looked as if she was struggling to use the tool to escape, so maybe that delayed her a bit. The other reason might be timing, since escaping without a diversion is bound for failure.

I could wish for nothing more right now than for Anya to join the Black Knights (because she is loli, and mysterious is always a plus) and explore her past a bit (well except for more C.C., but that's a given)

I think Nunnally and Sayoko are alive. Their death would be much too abrupt otherwise.

We see Kallen crying in the next episode. It's probably because of Nunnally and Sayoko being "dead", but could it also be because of what happens to Lelouch?

I personally want Lelouch to snap at Rollo for failing to save Nunnally, then Rollo finally deciding to kill (or is double suicide more likely?) Lelouch upon realizing he was being used. C.C. will then kill Rollo since she is immune to his geass (and he does not know it, I believe). This scenario means more C.C. slave mode and Rollo finally dying.

On the Suzaku topic... I don't really blame him for the explosion. It was one of those things they (Lelouch or Suzaku) had no control over. The one to be blamed should be Nina (who created the damn thing) and Schneizel (for planning it to result the way it did). I think Suzaku also explained the "live" command to Schneizel, so he knew that if defeat was imminent, Suzaku would have no choice but to shoot FLEIA. This part is just speculation, though.

[Kraco]

C.C. will then kill Rollo since she is immune to his geass (and he does not know it, I believe). This scenario means more C.C. slave mode and Rollo finally dying.

I'm not sure C.C. is right now up to killing anyone, even in self-defense. She's still pretty much in the slave / servant mode, which doesn't even allow her to defend herself.

[shinta|hikari]

Not herself. but her master who is probably the kindest person she has ever met. It only makes sense that the slave protects the master, even if she isn't inclined to do so (I believe she would want to in this case though).

EDIT: Rollo would also be completely off-guard since he believes that his geass is in effect. A nice attack from behind should be enough to incapacitate him at least, if not kill him.

[Lucifus]

Mayhaps defend her ever so kind master? Haha, I wonder how they'll play the next episode out.

[Kraco]

In any case, if such a scene is to appear there is only one thing I hope as sincerely as I have hoped anything regarding this series: That C.C. doesn't save Lelouch by jumping between the blade and him, sacrificing her own life to save Lelouch. C.C. has been the saddest character of this series all the time and such an ending would be cruel without equal, now that she finally has a chance, no matter how slim (now that Lelouch is crumbling), to some degree of happiness.

[Ryllharu]

I imagine Rollo knows that the granter of the Geass is immune to the effects. He did grow up inside one of the cult compounds after all. It would be more of a question whether C.C. is still immune to Lelouch's geass.

If I remember right from the World of C episode, her code is gone, despite Lelouch still having his Geass.

[shinta|hikari]

I based my speculation from how C.C. seems to be currently unaffected by Lelouch's geass even if their eyes meet. It seems that despite losing her code, C.C. is still immune to geass, but of course, we can't be sure since Lelouch never gave a blatant order (and we know how dubious the technicalities of geass are).

Having C.C. step in and take a hit is not so bad, as long as she doesn't die. It will open up enough time for Lelouch to kill Rollo with his geass, and maybe more Lelouch/C.C. interaction when she gets injured. It may even make him realize that his sister complex is not the only thing that can keep him going.

C.C. dying is the worst thing that can happen in this show, no matter how well it is done.

[Illrenmazou]

Yes! Karen is back! And the new Gurren, although it emits a Freedom-like aura, is still so badass.

Just wondering, did they ever define FLEIA? In the beginning of gg's sub, they had a note that said Freya=FLEIA (cause they had been calling it Freya until that point) and then said it was some stupid Britannian Engrish acronym, but I didn't see it defined...
FLEIA = Field Limitary Effective Implosion Armament

[animus]

They might as well just named it NUKE.

[Inazuma]

The afterblast makes it look like FLEIA is actually transporting stuff elsewhere instead of destroying it, isn't it ?
Transporting, as in Teleporting it.

[Ryllharu]

@Inazuma:

That's exactly why explosions with yields equivalent to nukes are so devastating.
1. Flash of heat incinerates everything in the blast radius faster than the speed of sound.
2. Shockwave at speed of sound follows outward, annihilating everything.
3. Vacuum left by the expansion of (1.) creates a secondary shockwave, going inward, destroying everything again.

[darkmetal505]

I don't think Code Geass has hit over the top mecha just yet. Before Zero came in with the Black Knights, Britannia had little use for advanced technology. Of course, such a threat as Zero with Rakshata would bring the need for counter weapons. Also, it seems like the technology used in the show has already been developed and is not created on the spot as indicated by Rakshata.

[DDBen]

Charles wasn't in the area with his flagship for no reason and if Nannaly and Sayoko are alive I'd guess he has them likely due to some sort of transporter. We have already seen several instances of teleporting tech out so I don't find it impossible with one maybe 2 codes that he was somehow able to use on atleast Nannaly,

[Buffalobiian]

Despite being Sunrise, I'm still going to believe Nunnaly's dead for now, since I can't see a reason how she'd escape. Ninja teleportation is wishful thinking, while if Britannia really did develop some ultra-speed craft, or an instant transmission device, it'd be either in a prototype or military service, rather than exclusively in the transport of Area 11's govener.

One person who I think died brilliantly this episode was Guilford. Though completely off the mark, he went in the most honourable way possible for a knight.

Edit: Did Todou ever get the full message, or was he left with "We can't trust Zero after all.......*dead*"?

And the best thing I loved about this episode is how Jeremiah embraced Orange-kun.

[TheBladeChild]

I havent been keeping count but are there any Glaston knights left?

[Kraco]

Will Suzaku be court-martialed? After all, he killed the governor of Area 11 and who knows how many other genuine Britannian citizens. You'd think someone would press charges... And you can hardly just say it's unavoidable collateral damage under those circumstances when the crater directly emcompasses the HQ/Palace.