Attack on Titan: Shingeki no Kyojin

[MFauli]

Gotta be honest: Too much fantasy bs going on in this episode.

Everyone's memories are connected by some otherworldly power, and when one founding titan dies before relaying its power, a random baby re-awakens that power? Aha.

[DarthEnderX]

Actually, no, scratch that about Historia becoming the Female Titan. That's obviously still for Mikasa.

Historia needs to eat Ymir. Then she can ride around on Eren's shoulder, giving him convenient access to the Coordinate power.


The founding titan is one of the 9.
Okay, so then only one Titan Shifter hasn't been introduced yet.

[MFauli]

Watch it be something like 'the flying titan' 🤦*♀️

Or no, better: 'the human titan', looks like a regular human, but is as powerful as transformed Reiner.

[DarthEnderX]

Actually, I just realized that the fact that Eren is two titans opens up possibilities for combo titans.

Actually actually, I just realized that Eren is actually 3 titans, because he gained his crystal abilities from an injection of Armor Titan juice.

Which means, the first thing the scouts should be doing is injecting Eren with Armin juice and injecting Armin with Eren juice. Making them both Colossal Attack Armor Founding Titans.


Or no, better: 'the human titan', looks like a regular human, but is as powerful as transformed Reiner.It'd actually be pretty down with that. Just a skinless naked person. :p

[Buffalobiian]

Actually actually, I just realized that Eren is actually 3 titans, because he gained his crystal abilities from an injection of Armor Titan juice.

I... don't recall this at all. I thought he just learned hardening after seeing it a few times.

[MFauli]

Btw on a sidenote: It somehow really annoyed me that Eren just couldn't show *any* affection towards Mikasa when they left their cells and he even notices that she looks weak. Ffs, they know he's going to die in 8 years, they're experiencing life-or-death situations every other day - could we pls get a confession and some lovey-dovey scenes?

[neflight86]

I... don't recall this at all. I thought he just learned hardening after seeing it a few times.

Earlier in season three, in the crystal cave, is when Eren ingested the vial from Rod Reiss.

[DarthEnderX]

Btw on a sidenote: It somehow really annoyed me that Eren just couldn't show *any* affection towards Mikasa when they left their cells and he even notices that she looks weak. Ffs, they know he's going to die in 8 years, they're experiencing life-or-death situations every other day - could we pls get a confession and some lovey-dovey scenes?No time for love when you've only got 8 years left to genocide all titans.

Actually, I'm kinda curious as to what Eren's life goals are now that he's found out the truth of the world. His old goal of killing all titans probably seems even dumber now that it did before.

[MFauli]

"Bang Mikasa every day all day for the next 8 years, then let her eat me."

#vore

💁🙈

[Munsu]

Looks like next season airing in 2020 will be the last one:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nUE0OyXWMuo

[shinta|hikari]

Great, that means the manga I'm following is finally gonna end. I wonder if they plan to end it at the same time as the anime though...

[DarthEnderX]

Fullmetal Alchemist did that didn't they?

[shinta|hikari]

And other shows too.

[MFauli]

Final episode:
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1.) Eren tryin' to look like Erwin, lol

2.) Mikasa suddenly making a comeback as #bestgirl (omg, why don't you tap that, Eren?!)

3.) Armin transforming into a proper trap, replacing Historia 🐧


Question: now that the walled people know everything, is there any reason for beast totan, Rainer and co. to continue attacking? Aren't they allies actually, also ultimately trying to defeat the mainland people?

I'm glad next season is last. It's still an easy-to-watch anime, but it never managed to reach the shockingness of its season 1 again.

[Buffalobiian]

Question: now that the walled people know everything, is there any reason for beast totan, Rainer and co. to continue attacking? Aren't they allies actually, also ultimately trying to defeat the mainland people?

No?

Beast titan and the others are the armed titan force of Marley.

They fight for Marley.

[MFauli]

No?

Beast titan and the others are the armed titan force of Marley.

They fight for Marley.


But I thought the founding titans were on Ymir's side.

[Buffalobiian]

But I thought the founding titans were on Ymir's side.

-Ymir-the-titan died and became 9 other titans of individual will (as far as we know).

-Marley obtained control over 7 of the 9 titans. Those 7 titans were used by Marley to exert military dominance.

-The remaining 2 titans are the Attack Titan and the Founding/Coordinator Titan.

-Coordinator Titan is the King himself, who decided to hole up on Madagascar Paradise.

-Attack Titan belonged to the royal family who remained on Marley and tried to form a local resistance.

-Marley is losing military dominance now because technology is slowly rivalling Titans. To maintain military might, they need to obtain the power of the coordinator to:
--------1) diffuse the island's titans as a threat.
--------2) control all titans as an offensive force.
--------3) obtain the island's fossil fuels as a military resource.

[MFauli]

Thx.

2 questions:

1.) How did Marley take control of 7 founding titans? Only Ymir-people can become titans, right? Traitors?

2.) Who's technology begins rivaling Marley's? Other nations'? If so, do we know that Marley uses its 7 titans to fight other nations? 7 titans is a small number for continent-wide warfare.

Bonus-question:

Has anyone else wondered how the special abilities of the 9 founding titans came to be? I just can't wrap my head around that anyone would consciously/unconsciously choose to be an ugly quadruple transport titan 🐧 Makes me think there's still an important twist waiting about the titans' existence.

[Buffalobiian]

1. Yes, Traitors, or brainwashed kid soldiers.

2. Some other country is winning the tech tree battle. We're not told anything further.

[shinta|hikari]

7 founding titans are enough if the enemy only had flintlocks. Airships, machine guns, artillery, and explosives, however...

[DarthEnderX]

Yeah, titans are already dying inside the wall to people with steampunk tech. WW1/2 era weapons would obliterate them.

[Sapphire]

About to get back in on this again! I remember last season being super lackluster, I hope it's better.

[neflight86]

I kind of decided to start reading the manga after this season to find out what happens next, but this ending is so solid (where the story is), I'm satisfied to wait until the anime starts up next year for the final season. I can't believe that.

Word has it that Wit studio won't be animating the last season, though, so I'm apprehensive about that. We'll see how things turn out. Can't wait for this thread to get necro'd.

[DarthEnderX]

Word has it that Wit studio won't be animating the last season, though, so I'm apprehensive about that.Wait, what? Why?! They've been doing such an amazing job!

This and One Punch Man...why would you take a series a way from a studio that's absolutely killing it?

[neflight86]

Well, the OP credits also show Production IG, so maybe they might be able to pull it off with some contracted Wit talent? They have over a year to plan it out.

[MFauli]

Wtf, Im watching some dumb YouTube. Video and, anyway: Levi is apparently 30 yo! Wtf

Always assumed hes like 17. Maybe 19. In what universe does he look 30 lol. Any 1000 yo dragon loli looks more her age

[DarthEnderX]

He looks like he's the same age as Erin, but more haggard.

[Buffalobiian]

It's cuz he's Asian.

[neflight86]

Episode 60 (season 4 ep 1)

Episode 60 (https://nyaa.si/view/1311775)

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I feel kinda numb... almost as if this were a spin-off or side story instead of the AoT I've been waiting for. That is not to say I was disappointed or bored for even a single moment, because that is simply not true. I expect massive twists and story shifts now, and they still are effective, which says that the quality of the scenario and writing are solid beyond mere gimmicks. Good thing too that this is largely carried by its mysteries and drama, because the animation was merely average, and without the directorial flourishes that make the previous seasons stand out, but again, Attack on Titan can stand without that at this point.

What are you waiting for? Get to watching!

[Buffalobiian]

That titan drop was brilliant. Having altitude kill half your titans wasn't a good start though. You'd think they'd have that part worked out at least, especially when there weren't any apparent AA weapons.

So umm.. all Eren's crew has to do is find one of those syringes, transform one of their own into a titan and have them eat Annie. The hardest thing would be to convince a titan to recognize someone encapsulated as food. Actually.. that might not work. If they move Annie above ground and have some titan eat the encapsulated Annie.. she'd just transform from within and rip the titan apart.

[Munsu]

Well finally up-to-date... not to say I have watched the new episode. Just finished the 2nd half of the third season as I've been only watching on bluray versions. The reason for this was because of fear of censorship, but that you guys recall, particularly since the series began simulcasting on streaming services, has it suffered from censorship?

[Buffalobiian]

Well finally up-to-date... not to say I have watched the new episode. Just finished the 2nd half of the third season as I've been only watching on bluray versions. The reason for this was because of fear of censorship, but that you guys recall, particularly since the series began simulcasting on streaming services, has it suffered from censorship?

I don't remember any censorship at all. I watched all HS subs.

[DarthEnderX]

I guess Ymir is dead since someone else has her Titan now...

And I gotta say, the Cart Titan is WAY more impressive with a bunch of tank shit on it than it was when it was just...a cart.

The last of the Nine is still unknown to us, right?


So umm.. all Eren's crew has to do is find one of those syringes, transform one of their own into a titan and have them eat Annie.I'm, like, 90% certain Mikasa is going to be the female titan before the end of the series.


I don't remember any censorship at all. I watched all HS subs.
Well, you wouldn't notice it unless you watched both versions. :p

[Buffalobiian]

I guess Ymir is dead since someone else has her Titan now...

And I gotta say, the Cart Titan is WAY more impressive with a bunch of tank shit on it than it was when it was just...a cart.

The last of the Nine is still unknown to us, right?

[quote=Darth]I'm, like, 90% certain Mikasa is going to be the female titan before the end of the series.

For some reason I thought Akermans couldn't be Titans, but that might just be that they're immune to the brainwashing effects of the Founding Titan.



Well, you wouldn't notice it unless you watched both versions. :p

Right. What I mean instead then, is that I didn't notice any obtrusive efforts in censoring. That's namely bright or dark spots/beams. Anything that was expressed significantly differently in other versions?

[MFauli]

Disappointing start, unfortunately. I agree with netflight insofar as this wasn't a boring episode, but ... it was some totally different story! And it's continuing for at least one more episode :/ Let me see Eren and Co.!

Not sure about the war tactics, either, tbh. Why sacrifize all those Eldian soldiers (even if hated), when they could have dropped the air titans earlier? That bullet train (that they knew of), wouldn't have posed much of a threat when landing inside the walls. Also that girl's plan was WAAAAY too much luck-based. Had either of those 2 enemy soldiers done their job right, she'd be dead. Ah well.

Oh yeah, surgery went fine, btw., I'm back home now. :> Realization from having had surgery on my belly: The way pain is being depicted in ALL of fiction is such massive bullshit :D

[DarthEnderX]

Realization from having had surgery on my belly: The way pain is being depicted in ALL of fiction is such massive bullshit :DWorse? Or not as bad?

[MFauli]

Worse? Or not as bad?

Considering 3 small cuts into my belly made by highly professional surgeons after a successful (better than they expected) surgery still hurt like hell when I bend over or cough a little right now, just tells me that people would NOT keep runing/fighting if they were cut/stabbed/shot. Sure, in the immediate event adrenaline might help, but not to the extent it's being portayed in fictional media.

Really makes me reconsider a lot of the stuff I've watched.

[DarthEnderX]

I think maybe you're just soft.

https://pm1.narvii.com/5729/f71409127f30c3bc12d496ec0eacf8fe5855304a_hq.jpg

[DarthEnderX]

61

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I'm having trouble keeping people straight cause all the Eldian shifters look alike...

[Buffalobiian]

61

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I'm having trouble keeping people straight cause all the Eldian shifters look alike...

How so? They look unique enough to me.

Zeke is Zeke.
Reiner is blond and big.
Jaw titan has slicked-back hair.
Pieck can't walk and is kind of cute.

[neflight86]

Its good to establish that an entire race of segregated people can be thoroughly (at least half) brainwashed and propagandized into servitude of their captors. It gives more weight to the past events when Zeke wasn't some low percentage outlier for turning on his parents. If the real world parallel is the Jewish condition during Nazi Germany, this would be as if they were reviled and regulated for generations, instead of ~10 years. The difference here, of course, also being that Eldians possess the capacity to become dangerous titans.

I somewhat take back what I said about the directing. That slow pull in on Reiner at the dinner table was more effective than I thought it would be, but that scene stayed with me, and I think the show as a whole doesn't need to rely on the bombast of 'potato chip' scenes to carry its dramatic weight.

[MFauli]

I really dont like the current focus. Not that it's boring. But I HATE when stories suddenly try to evoke sympathy for the villains. Duh, of course, villains have their motivation, too. But it shouldn't matter. I'm not gonna feel sorry for Reiner and those children when they are the ones who have murdered thousands of Eldians on the island. Fuck them.

[DarthEnderX]

How so? They look unique enough to me.

Zeke is Zeke.
Reiner is blond and big.
Jaw titan has slicked-back hair.
Pieck can't walk and is kind of cute.Well Pieck is obviously different. But the rest all have SLIGHTLY different short blond hair.

[Buffalobiian]

Episode 62

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Hmm, I always figured Bertolt was the dud in the trio, but turns out it's Reiner. Annie's actually supposed switched on as fuck and even crazier than I thought she was.

I'm half expecting Reiner to turn around and help our protagonists later.

[MFauli]

This season feels weird, tbh. Was that supposed to be Eren at the end of the episode?! Why would he be old suddenly?

As I said before, I don't like this whole "NOW let's explain why the bad guys actually aren't bad and make you empathize with them" narrative. It's a given that everyone has some sort of motivation. But nonetheless, they murdered hundreds if not thousands of people who just wanted to live on that island. You could make a movie showing Hitler's tragic childhood, but I still wouldn't give a shit because he murdered 6 million jews. It feels unnecessary.

[Buffalobiian]

This season feels weird, tbh. Was that supposed to be Eren at the end of the episode?! Why would he be old suddenly?

That's Eren and he's old because this is 3.5 years or something since the last season and he's growing a beard with long hair trying to infitrate Marley as a victim of war.

His change is roughly the same as Reiner's minus the hair.

[MFauli]

Ugh.

So before the story can really get going, we'll also have to go through a flashback that explains how Eren got there. Ugh.

Why can't we just have a straightly told story :(

[DarthEnderX]

Annie's actually supposed switched on as fuck and even crazier than I thought she was.All things considered, she seems to have a pretty good head on her shoulders.

Like, she knows ALL these people are assholes. She's not some crazy patriot. She probably just wanted to get out of the concentration camp.

And Reiner 1000% deserved that ass beating. He's a selfish, unhinged fuckup, who was basically threatening to get HER executed, if she didn't help fix his fuckup.



I'm half expecting Reiner to turn around and help our protagonists later.Feels like they're setting that up. Yeah. But he can't be trusted. He's too unstable.


That's Eren and he's old because this is 3.5 years or something since the last season and he's growing a beard with long hair trying to infitrate Marley as a victim of war.Oh fuck. I did not realize that...


This season feels weird, tbh. Was that supposed to be Eren at the end of the episode?! Why would he be old suddenly?It doesn't help that they switch back and forth in and out of flashbacks with absolutely no indication that they've done so.


we'll also have to go through a flashback that explains how Eren got there.I assume by boat...

[Buffalobiian]

You have to read the years etc.

Marley sent the kids in to Paradise Island to get the Founding Titan.

They lost Colossal and Female Titan.

Other countries heard of this and attacked Marley.

That lead to a 3 year war or something that concluded with the fortress raid we saw in this season's Ep 1.

While this war was happening, Eren's crew cleared Paradise Island of dumb titans, captured or destroyed every single scout ship that headed their way, and have now infiltrated Marley.

[MFauli]

Speaking of which: How dumb is it that the "female titan" is its own category?! Does that mean only women can turn in it? Or will men turn into a female titan? So stupid ...

[DarthEnderX]

While this war was happening, Eren's crew cleared Paradise Island of dumb titans, captured or destroyed every single scout ship that headed their way, and have now infiltrated Marley.Did I miss an episode?! I don't remember ANY of that having been shown!


Speaking of which: How dumb is it that the "female titan" is its own category?! Does that mean only women can turn in it? Or will men turn into a female titan? So stupid ...
I thought the same thing. All the other titans are named after their powers. But the female titans power is...woman?

It just seems like the writer was being lazy in that the Paradise Islander's codenames for each titan ALSO happen to be the Marleyan codenames.

[Buffalobiian]

Did I miss an episode?! I don't remember ANY of that having been shown!


Eren's crew clearing Paradise Island was shown last season where they made it to the ocean. That scene was dated.

All ?35 ships sent to Paradise Island being lost was mentioned during this season - in one of the war meetings I think.

Eren infiltrating Marley was shown this episode.

[MFauli]

So did the beast titan just escape on one of the ships last season without any hint of it? kinda lazy story telling.

[DarthEnderX]

Eren's crew clearing Paradise Island was shown last season where they made it to the ocean. That scene was dated.Oh. I just thought they'd cut a path to the ocean. I didn't think they'd literally wiped out the titans beyond the walls.


So did the beast titan just escape on one of the ships last season without any hint of it? kinda lazy story telling.I assume Beast, Cart, Reiner and Ymir all escaped together.

[exglitch67]

Oh. I just thought they'd cut a path to the ocean. I didn't think they'd literally wiped out the titans beyond the walls.

In the last episode of S3 there was an exchange when they were riding beyond the wall where it was mentioned the majority of the titans on Paradise Island were inside Wall Maria. So in the year they took clearing out the titans to retake the wall they also eliminated most of the titans on the island.

[Buffalobiian]

Episode 63

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Hmm, part of me wishes that Eren helped convince the WarHammer Titan to join them, but that'd make things too easy vs Marley.

Assuming Titans are here to stay for some time, Gabi will take the Armoured. Falco would take the Attack.

[DarthEnderX]

Black people?!


Hmm, part of me wishes that Eren helped convince the WarHammer Titan to join them, but that'd make things too easy vs Marley. Er...why would he? He basically IS Marley. Also he might not be the Titan.


Assuming Titans are here to stay for some time, Gabi will take the Armoured. Falco would take the Attack.You think Falco is going to beat Eren?

Also, I'm assuming titans will be extinct when this is over.

[Buffalobiian]

I think that if Titans were still being passed on, Falco would inherit the Attack titan. I'm not confident that they would be passed on however.


Er...why would he? He basically IS Marley. Also he might not be the Titan.

You're thinking of Willy. I'm referring to whoever is holding the WarHammer, doesn't have to be him.

Willy thinks Marley needs a good restructuring right now anyway - that's why he came out.

[DarthEnderX]

I don't expect this WILL happen, but since we know from Eren being the Attack and Founding Titans, you can consolidate powers by shifters eating other shifters, a final battle between the last two titans that have eaten all the others would be pretty rad.


I think that if Titans were still being passed on, Falco would inherit the Attack titan. I'm not confident that they would be passed on however.Inherit how? Like, Eren just lets him eat him? Isn't that the only way they get passed on?

If a Shifter titan actually died without being eaten, wouldn't it's power just be gone forever?

[neflight86]

This is going to get ugly. I had to watch twice to catch the 'rotten house that needs demolishing' reference to mean that Marley and the rest of the world leadership that persecutes Eldians are likely going to be purged.

Interesting that the Tybor family manages to shadow run the Marley government, but can't or wouldn't secure better living or societal conditions for their people.

Eren approached Reiner, revealing his identity, so whatever his plan is, he expects Reiner to be powerless to stop it...

The pain (of waiting) is real!

[MFauli]

That was a bad episode, really boring. At this point I have no idea anymore who is who, Marley, Eldian, Paradis, etc.. Ok, I know that Paradis is the island where the ringwalled people live where Eren comes from, that's it.

What is the Warhammer Titan's unique feature?

Also, in general, isn't the whole inheritance of the 9 titans pure magic? Like, when a titan dies and nobody eats him to inherit his power, then why can someone else get his power? What kind of celestial observant keeps track of this?

[DarthEnderX]

Like, when a titan dies and nobody eats him to inherit his power, then why can someone else get his power?They don't. I assume it works the same way for them as they tried to do with Eren.

i.e. Shifters only live another 13 years. So when their time is almost up, the inject the next candidate with Titan serum, then the Shifter is fed to the candidate to pass on it's power.

If a titan dies without passing it on, I assume eating the corpse would work.

[MFauli]

They don't. I assume it works the same way for them as they tried to do with Eren.

i.e. Shifters only live another 13 years. So when their time is almost up, the inject the next candidate with Titan serum, then the Shifter is fed to the candidate to pass on it's power.

If a titan dies without passing it on, I assume eating the corpse would work.

Ok,so if a chosen titan (shifter?) dies and its corpse rots away, then THAT special power is lost forever? Good, that makes more sense then.

[exglitch67]

If a Shifter titan actually died without being eaten, wouldn't it's power just be gone forever?

Pretty sure in the previous seasons it was stated that if a titan shifter died without being eaten, its power would be manifested in a random eldian child "yet to be born". I don't read the manga so could be completely wrong on this.

But this would explain why the world wants eldians eradicated and wouldn't just demand they hand over titan shifters for execution.

[MFauli]

Pretty sure in the previous seasons it was stated that if a titan shifter died without being eaten, its power would be manifested in a random eldian child "yet to be born". I don't read the manga so could be completely wrong on this.

But this would explain why the world wants eldians eradicated and wouldn't just demand they hand over titan shifters for execution.

See, that's I remembered, too, but wasn't sure anymore. So it's magic bullshit after all?

[DarthEnderX]

Ok,so if a chosen titan (shifter?) dies and its corpse rots away, then THAT special power is lost forever?That was my ASSUMPTION, but...
Pretty sure in the previous seasons it was stated that if a titan shifter died without being eaten, its power would be manifested in a random eldian child "yet to be born".If that's the case, I missed it/forgot about it.



But this would explain why the world wants eldians eradicated and wouldn't just demand they hand over titan shifters for execution.
The thing about that is though...even if someone is reborn with the shifter powers, they wouldn't be able to USE them unless they became a titan.

So rather than the solution being to commit genocide maybe they could just, ya know, STOP FUCKING INJECTING ELDIANS WITH TITAN SERUM!

And that's one of their go-to punishments for Eldians! It's just like in The Mummy.
"You have been found guilty. And we sentence you to a truly horrible fate, that also gives you AMAZING POWERS THAT POSE AN EXTREME THREAT TO US!"

[exglitch67]

See, that's I remembered, too, but wasn't sure anymore. So it's magic bullshit after all?

Hmmm isn't that to be expected though? Regardless of how you slice it, Yimir the first titan got her powers supernaturally, and the whole coordinate/eldian premise is supernatural by nature. How come the titan serum only affects eldians?...magic, how do Mikasa and Levi have god mode?....magic. Past memory transfer upon eating a titan shifter....magic. At this point I assumed that's just the type of anime we were watching.

[exglitch67]

That was my ASSUMPTION, but...If that's the case, I missed it/forgot about it.


The thing about that is though...even if someone is reborn with the shifter powers, they wouldn't be able to USE them unless they became a titan.

So rather than the solution being to commit genocide maybe they could just, ya know, STOP FUCKING INJECTING ELDIANS WITH TITAN SERUM!

And that's one of their go-to punishments for Eldians! It's just like in The Mummy.
"You have been found guilty. And we sentence you to a truly horrible fate, that also gives you AMAZING POWERS THAT POSE AN EXTREME THREAT TO US!"

My impression was that a child born with innate titan ability wouldn't need to activate it via serum. I imagined a random baby would be born with the titan shifter ability and only discover by accident or by forced testing by Marley military. One could only imagine what a titan shifted baby would be like but they could be unusually intelligent given the past memory transfer

[Buffalobiian]

Inherit how? Like, Eren just lets him eat him? Isn't that the only way they get passed on?

Yes, because that's the only way powers can be passed on intentionally. If peace was to be made somehow and the titans were to be passed down individually, Falco would have Eren's.

There is no proof that the random child born with Special titan power would require Titan activation first. Special titans are sentient. It'd make way more sense for them to be able manifest it from the get go.

[MFauli]

Hmmm isn't that to be expected though? Regardless of how you slice it, Yimir the first titan got her powers supernaturally, and the whole coordinate/eldian premise is supernatural by nature. How come the titan serum only affects eldians?...magic, how do Mikasa and Levi have god mode?....magic. Past memory transfer upon eating a titan shifter....magic. At this point I assumed that's just the type of anime we were watching.

Disagree. Up to this point, everything in the show can be explained. Sure, it's all super dramatic, lots of incredible coincidences and bullshitery - but nothing that required "magic". This however? There'd need to be some celestial entity to notice "oh, the power of special titan X is free now, gotta put it into some new Eldian baby". That's something different entirely. Honestly, I reall hate that.

[DarthEnderX]

Yimir the first titan got her powers supernaturallyMaybe. It's not like any of our characters witnessed it first hand. It happened ages ago. It's basically a creation myth. Who knows if it's at all accurate.

For all we know, some alien came an injected her with something.

Or she ate a fruit from a space tree...


If peace was to be made somehow and the titans were to be passed down individually, Falco would have Eren's.I mean...maybe? But, like, why?

I mean, he's known the kid for, like, 2 episodes. And the kid is a soldier for the other side. Why would they give any titans back to the Marleyans?

[MFauli]

Okay, can we pls talk about Eren letting himself get eaten (aka die)? I would drop the season without ever watching the finale if Eren died like that. Would make me super angry :/

[Buffalobiian]

Okay, can we pls talk about Eren letting himself get eaten (aka die)? I would drop the season without ever watching the finale if Eren died like that. Would make me super angry :/

There's not much to talk about.

Falco is an Eldian who has shown that he understands more than just Glory for Marley!. His family originally intended to revolt against Marlian rule, and he's serving as a soldier to perhaps save them from being culled. He has enough rapport with Eren to date, and is perhaps about to be in a position to hear/understand the perspectives from both parties.

Eren will not die old, from what we've been told so far. By the time of his retiring, if he encounters a candidate who would use the Attack/Founding Titan for a purpose that Eren would also agree with, then it'd make sense to pass the power onto them. The only young candidate who might fit this bill is Falco.

I did say that this scenario would only make sense if Titans were expected to exist for a further generation. If they were to disappear during this cycle then passing on the power is not required.

[DarthEnderX]

I just realized, I've been wanting Mikasa to become the Female Titan, but that might not even be possible. As they made a point to make it clear she's, like, Eastern. Which means she's not Eldian...


Okay, can we pls talk about Eren letting himself get eaten (aka die)? I would drop the season without ever watching the finale if Eren died like that. Would make me super angry :/You realize that, barring some new magic being introduced, that's, like, a foregone conclusion at this point, right?

He's only got a couple years left to live now. He can either pick a successor and let himself get eaten, or just let himself die naturally and leave it to chance.

That said, if that choice gets made, it'll BE the finale. So there won't be anything left for you to not watch.


By the time of his retiring, if he encounters a candidate who would use the Attack/Founding Titan for a purpose that Eren would also agree with, then it'd make sense to pass the power onto them. The only young candidate who might fit this bill is Falco. Other than, you know, like a dozen people back home? Why wouldn't he give it to Levi or Jean instead of some kid he just met?

And WHY would you intentionally pick a kid? Marley does it because they're child soldier brainwashing assholes. There's no reason for Eren to do that. They were going to make the commander the colossal titan until Armin needed it instead. Why doom some kid to die in his 20s when you don't have to?

[neflight86]

I recall it mentioning it somewhere that all Eldians are somehow 'connected' to Ymir (the founding one, not ours)... there was some celestial web imagery I think, maybe during Ymir's backstory episode in season 2... so that conduit - whatever it is - would be how the power can transfer randomly to the next host. The specifics of why or exactly how, of course have not been explained (yet).

[Buffalobiian]

Other than, you know, like a dozen people back home? Why wouldn't he give it to Levi or Jean instead of some kid he just met?

And WHY would you intentionally pick a kid? Marley does it because they're child soldier brainwashing assholes. There's no reason for Eren to do that. They were going to make the commander the colossal titan until Armin needed it instead. Why doom some kid to die in his 20s when you don't have to?

1) kids taking the power seems to be the theme here.
2) Levi is Asian, he can't be big.
3) The kid is prepared to become a titan, and not for self or Marley Glory. That's the key thing here. You don't see me suggesting Gabi as the next Attack Titan candidate. Affinity and physical performance seems to have something to do with it as well.

As for the colossal, they never intended on anyone in particular to inherit it. The syringe was reserved to be used on whoever was in a critical condition. It doesn't HAVE to be a kid, but that's the way things are happening here. The only exception seems to be Daddy Jaeger.

[DarthEnderX]

2) Levi is Asian, he can't be big. I don't believe he is? He's an Ackerman. But that's just a family that's not effected by the Founder's mind control. They aren't asian.

Mikasa is an Akerman as well, but it's her father that was the Ackerman. Her mother was asian.

Wait...that means Mikasa's father is Eldian. Which means she's got Eldian blood. Which means she CAN become a titan.


It doesn't HAVE to be a kid, but that's the way things are happening here.Right, that's just the way things have been working out. But if you have a choice, why would you ever CHOOSE to make a kid a titan unless you're a complete monster?

Pick an experienced middle-aged soldier who would A. Make a better titan and B. wouldn't be dooming some kid to die in his 20s.

Hell, make Henge a titan. She'd love that shit. First hand titan experimentation, and she'd get her eye back!

[MFauli]

Guys, GUYS ..... if this anime ends without some passionate love scenes between Eren and Mikasa, it will have failed in its entirety. That's why Eren can't just let himself be eaten at this point in time. Unless we get a flashback that shows the two finally becoming a romantic couple and having some sexy time, I refuse to accept Eren self-sacrificing himself to some rando-kid from the enemy side.

Btw lol, wie how we found out about the time skip earlier, I thought at first that the long-haired, aristocratic dude (who's also a special titan) was supposed to be Armin, LOL.

[shinta|hikari]

Guys, GUYS ..... if this anime ends without some passionate love scenes between Eren and Mikasa, it will have failed in its entirety.

HAHAHAHAHA

[DarthEnderX]

Eren wouldn't survive sex with Mikasa.

https://64.media.tumblr.com/5f99a01beed2c1c730109ad6745101a5/tumblr_pkec6jtPwh1vlbdlu_500.gifv

[shinta|hikari]

Eren doesn't even know what masturbation is.

[Buffalobiian]

Shit all you want over Eren, but that guy' has Hardening down pat.

[MFauli]

Eren wouldn't survive sex with Mikasa.

https://64.media.tumblr.com/5f99a01beed2c1c730109ad6745101a5/tumblr_pkec6jtPwh1vlbdlu_500.gifv

T'would be a better death than letting himself get eaten by a random enemy soldier boy :P

[exglitch67]

I just realized, I've been wanting Mikasa to become the Female Titan, but that might not even be possible. As they made a point to make it clear she's, like, Eastern. Which means she's not Eldian...


Isn't she half? Which brings up an interesting question. Can half Eldians become titans or is it a pureblood kind of thing?

[DarthEnderX]

Isn't she half? Which brings up an interesting question. Can half Eldians become titans or is it a pureblood kind of thing?I mean, it seems like a bloodline thing, so it SHOULD still work, since their line still traces back to whoesits.

[DarthEnderX]

64

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And here we go!

Seems like Eren's plan there was to just immediately eat the Warhammer Titan and steal it's ability. But I'm pretty sure the swerve there is that Willy isn't actually the Warhammer Titan, since he was never actually confirmed to be.

The worries about Eren letting Falco eat him seem pretty unfounded at this point...

Eren, still kinda a piece of shit, but he feels a bit more justified now.

[MFauli]

Argh, im not looking: Where did you find the new episode? Nya got nothing :/

[DarthEnderX]

...I got it off Nyaa.

[neflight86]

I... can't handle how much I enjoy this...

Even though I though the whole 'give the story' theatrics was stretching suspension a bit, I'll allow it for the purpose it ultimately served; explaining why they must go on the offensive as a united (anti-Eldian) people. Reiner's terror the whole time was also morbidly entertaining to watch as Falco pieced together what was going on.

I also love how Eren spoke of acclimating to these people, and how they aren't so different, so as to insinuate that he isn't going on the attack... to flip it one more time at the very end. Brilliant. I actually had myself believing that the head of the Tybur family was in cahoots with Paradis behind the scenes; his mangled corpse would suggest otherwise.

[MFauli]

A truly great episode, agreed. The final scene where things go "boom!" just looks sooo good.

My big fear now, though, is that next episode, and possibly more than one, are lame flashback episodes explaining how Armin came up with this plan, blablabla.

Ofc, Armin is the big, thin soldier that lured away the others, can't be anyone else. Here's the only loophole though: Can't the titan users not transform partially like Annie or even Eren? They should have been able to do so and escape the well that way. Whatever, it felt believable enough.


I actually had myself believing that the head of the Tybur family was in cahoots with Paradis behind the scenes

Haha, yeah, totally my thoughts, too. I even had thought maybe Tybur is adult Armin, lol.

[Buffalobiian]

Oh damn.. forgot something rather important.

Remember the nice Asian lady who was sympathetic to Eldians?

She left prior to the ruckus. She's definitely privy to what was going to happen. Whether she's part of the uprising, who knows.

[neflight86]

Since they look familiar, I suspect tall soldier is actually Annie, foe-now-friend.

I almost forgot AoT always follows an action set piece with reverse exposition...

[Buffalobiian]

Tall guy is totally Armin IMO

[neflight86]

Now that you mention it, didn't she (cart titan) mention the soldier having a beard that was "her type"? Maybe that was Armin, after all...

[Buffalobiian]

Not that I'd think Annie would be sympathetic to the Paradise Eldians, but sending her back would be risky anyway because people might recognise her.

[MFauli]

Guys, the tall guy had a male voice, his hair, from what we saw, is different than Annies, and really, what would be the bigger surprise: An asspull where Annie is now on the other side, OR, an unexpectedly tall Armin?! Obvious answer, lol.

[DarthEnderX]

his hair, from what we saw, is different than AnniesI mean...Erin's hair is different than Erin's hair. There's been a timeskip.

But yes, it's probably Armin.

[Buffalobiian]

Episode 65

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-Warhammer titan is.... so different. It's "hardenning" but the body moves as if it's not hardenned at all. Maybe it's just "white" and it comes in various degrees of dynamic hardening to allow movement.

-Ground-up was sneaky. Eren picking it up as if it was Armin was also impressive, but I guess if you actually looked at the ground it might become obvious. This lack of range/mobility makes the Warhammer Titan rather unsuited for warfare, but the specs would make it a good anti-Titan Titan.

... unless it can also do traditional human-in-the-nape Transformation, in which case it's fine in war as well.

-Mikasa in that armour and even shorter hair... good to have you back but you've looked better.

-Sasha vs Gabi staredown.. lol. Her not shooting is gonna bite her in the back so hard.

-Jaw Titan not being able to bite was weird. Didn't Levi slice the nape? That should be instant-KO..
oooh, Levi sliced his jaw open... that makes sense now.

[MFauli]

What an episode!

I will say, though: If the Warhammer titan doesnt have a traditional nape variant, that's just too easy of an exploit, lol. As if made for Zelda-game where you just have to figure out the weak point and win.

Disagree strongly about Mikasa @ Buff. WOW, IS SHE HOT. Mikasa has now become the most desirable anime girl of all times. If some manufacturer provides a quality, sexy figure, I'm gonna buy it 100%.

Gabi is 100% kill someone, I just hope it's not Conny 🙈

Tybur's maid sister being the Warhammer was a nice twist.

[DarthEnderX]

Okay, I guess Titan power MUST just randomly reappear eventually if a Titan dies.

WTF is Armin doing? He better be doing something to counteract the Cart Titan or whatever. Also, where Beast at?

For that matter, where's Reiner? Logically he should be dead, but I doubt it.


This lack of range/mobility makes the Warhammer Titan rather unsuited for warfare, but the specs would make it a good anti-Titan Titan.I assume you don't HAVE to do the ground up thing. It's probably just a useful trick.

[MFauli]

For that matter, where's Reiner? Logically he should be dead, but I doubt it.


That one should be easy: partial transformation to protect Falco

[DarthEnderX]

Ah, that would make sense.

[Buffalobiian]

The Warhammer Titan technically shouldn't be safe to eat in its current state.

If you think about it, from the crystalised form came the movable titan, the giant spear that skewered Eren as well as the multiple ground spikes that locked his feet in place.

What's stopping Eren taking a bite, then BAM - spikes everywhere, goodbye head+nape+throat+whatever sits above your shoulder.

[shinta|hikari]

If you grind her up in your teeth before she can do so.

[MFauli]

The Warhammer Titan technically shouldn't be safe to eat in its current state.

If you think about it, from the crystalised form came the movable titan, the giant spear that skewered Eren as well as the multiple ground spikes that locked his feet in place.

What's stopping Eren taking a bite, then BAM - spikes everywhere, goodbye head+nape+throat+whatever sits above your shoulder.

I'd assume Eren's teeth will be crystal-reinforced. Otherwise it'd be very dumb, yeah. ALTHOUGH: Maybe Eren knows it'll work because he ate Anny? 🤔

[DarthEnderX]

I'd assume Eren's teeth will be crystal-reinforced. Otherwise it'd be very dumb, yeah. ALTHOUGH: Maybe Eren knows it'll work because he ate Anny?I don't see no titties on the Attack Titan!

While watching this, I was thinking "Oh, I guess the Female Titan looking female really IS, like, part of it's powers, since this other Titan Shifter is female and her Titan doesn't look female at all". But then realized, "Wait, that Titan is fake, so she coulda literally made it look like anything."

[MFauli]

If the female titan was female even with a male Eldian, then I'd really like to know: What's it's spend?! Being sexy? Producing breast milk? Being able to bear titan children?!

Really odd, lol

[MFauli]

Episode 66:

Ugh, every time one of the Paradis guys is killed, I felt huge frustration. There aren't THAT many of them here. Meanwhile ... they managed to kill one of the enemies :/

Honestly, that feels to shounen right now. Pieck surviving. The beast titan also surely not being dead yet. Now Reiner turning against them, too. Can we PLEASE just have Team Eren win for ONCE?!

Eren could have at least quickly eaten the jaw titan, he had the time. But nah, he sees a light so he must look there in awe ... sigh.

[exglitch67]

Episode 66:

Ugh, every time one of the Paradis guys is killed, I felt huge frustration. There aren't THAT many of them here. Meanwhile ... they managed to kill one of the enemies :/

Honestly, that feels to shounen right now. Pieck surviving. The beast titan also surely not being dead yet. Now Reiner turning against them, too. Can we PLEASE just have Team Eren win for ONCE?!

Eren could have at least quickly eaten the jaw titan, he had the time. But nah, he sees a light so he must look there in awe ... sigh.

Eren and squad aren't out yet but I would say the damage inflicted in this episode is a MASSIVE W for Paradis. Not sure if you wanted them to execute an operation with zero casualties...which would definitely be shounen or if somehow you think those Paradis soldiers weren't worth 1) the acquisition of the Warhammer Titan 2.) Elimination of Marley's Navy 3.) Elimination of Marley's command structure 4.) Wiped out most of the solider candidates

I am disappointed (to your point) that we didn't get some enemy deaths paid off as I think they are owed (beast titan especially, please let Levi fulfil his mission to Erwin!) but even with a few more casualties on the Paradis side assuming they don't lose a titan the operation will still be a huge win imo.

[MFauli]

Oh, btw I still don't get why the big titan that Armin is now controlling has this nuclear bomb ability now. It never looked that strong when the anime began in episode 1. Even in that other town where Erwin died, Bertholt didn't have such destructive power. But here? Armin is walking Nagasaki hell :/

[DarthEnderX]

I was worried this was all going to be a waste for a minute.

But they got their target, and the Beast and Pack Titans MIGHT be dead(Pieck looked dead, not unconcious). If corpses still work though, they'll probably just make Gabby and Falco the Pack and Beast Titans.

I do hope they're at least able to get Jaw as well, because that will give them access to Annie.

They should have Armin do it. He needs to eat someone with more mobility. And Erin's got 3 already.

Kinda curious why Erin wanted Hammer so bad. It's powers don't seem like that big a deal honestly. Jaw and Beast seem more important.


Oh, btw I still don't get why the big titan that Armin is now controlling has this nuclear bomb ability now. It never looked that strong when the anime began in episode 1. Even in that other town where Erwin died, Bertholt didn't have such destructive power. But here? Armin is walking Nagasaki hell
It's probably because he's in the water. The Colossal Titan lets out massive amounts of heat. If you superheat water rapidly, it will vaporize with explosive force. That's literally how nuclear power plants operate.

[MFauli]

Maybe Eren wants the jackhammer for its enormous crystal control? He could create a wall that no titan would ever be able to penetrate back home on Paradis. Maybe that's why he was surprised about the jaw titan being able to bite crystal to pieces - it puts a damper in his plans when there is a titan that can destroy the crystals.

Although the counter argument to that theory is that Marlayans can just use airships to attack paradis ...

[exglitch67]

They should have Armin do it. He needs to eat someone with more mobility. And Erin's got 3 already.

Kinda curious why Erin wanted Hammer so bad. It's powers don't seem like that big a deal honestly. Jaw and Beast seem more important.


It's probably because he's in the water. The Colossal Titan lets out massive amounts of heat. If you superheat water rapidly, it will vaporize with explosive force. That's literally how nuclear power plants operate.

Agree they should have Armin eat the jaw titan but logistically that seems impossible given the airship is a 1 chance operation, Armin going colossal could significantly affect the airship. Eren might of already lost his chance.

On the Warhammer titan...they likely assumed (and rightfully) that it would be the most useful in titan on titan combat, easily able to take out beast and cart titan. The issue is they underestimated jaw by assuming its max abilities were that of Yimir, where clearly with training the jaw's ability are S tier in titan combat. I bet if they had this information beforehand they may have switched priorities but the fact Warhammer was a relatively unknown titan they may have just assumed it was the strongest.

Armin's water detonation makes a lot of sense now, props to the anime team for thinking that through.

[neflight86]

I wasn't surprised by the explosion in the least. It has been shown three times to have that effect: On the wall in season 2 (mini 1/2 transform version, but everyone went flying), season 3 (Bert was literally tossed into Shiganshina as a bomb in a barrel and Hange had to be pushed into in a well to survive the blast), and during the titan roll call scene earlier this season it showed them (Marley) using it as effectively a bomb. If the water made it more powerful, so be it, but it always had that transform impact; the only times people were spared the blast were when it transformed on the other side of a wall.

Zeke didn't get the rematch he wanted; not that I expect he would fare any better this time.

So Ackerman's are a thing referenced by name? Sasha is a bit scary is an emotionless sniper, same for Armin, but time can do that to you, I guess.

This season is too wild.

[Buffalobiian]

These latest few episodes have been kickass.

Colossal titan transformation was fine. We've already learned that different people inheretting titans give slightly different potential. If Armin is suited, so be it.

Eren analysing his way through a battle is so OP in such an enjoyable way. I don't know if the Assault titan having such transformation stamina is its perk, or whether it's just now an Eren thing but whatever.. good shit.

As for the next fight, well Eren should be able to build a lance against that armour now. Along with the fact that he already kicked its ass last time by busting his joints, the only thing not working in his favour this time would be:

1) sudden attack by beast titan.
2) Jaw growing its legs out and fighting again
3) lack of stamina after fighting for so long

Action aside, I think my favourite thing about this episode was that there WAS a plan that was more than just "We eat Warhammer Titan, we win", and they had the intel and plans to take out every single titan if possible. Fucking Armin man..

[DarthEnderX]

I just love how Eren is, to all these pieces of shit, what the Colossal Titan was to him when he was a kid.

Jaw Titan is such a dipshit too. I kinda really savored his horror at realizing they were going to use him to kill the Hammer Titan.


I will say this. Now that we know all 9 of the Titans' powers, there's not actually a ton of variety there.

Like, 4 of their powers are just variants on hardening. 3 of them are variants on lower Titan control. And the rest is basically just "Well, this one is bigger" or "this one is more mobile".

At the end of the day, the Shifters only really have, like, 3 different powers that just manifest in different ways.

[exglitch67]

I will say this. Now that we know all 9 of the Titans' powers, there's not actually a ton of variety there.

Like, 4 of their powers are just variants on hardening. 3 of them are variants on lower Titan control. And the rest is basically just "Well, this one is bigger" or "this one is more mobile".

At the end of the day, the Shifters only really have, like, 3 different powers that just manifest in different ways.

Hmmm is this too be expected though? The 9 titan powers were once 1 titan that was op as hell. It would make sense their powers were all related in some way. I guess they could of gone a route similar to the tailed beasts but I don't think I am disappointed with the titan powers / variety overall. Weakest one being a the female titan...that logic never really held up for me.

[DarthEnderX]

Hmmm is this too be expected though? The 9 titan powers were once 1 titan that was op as hell.Did they tell us that and I forgot?

I know the Titans are all children of Ymir, but did they say that she had the powers of all the Shifters?


Weakest one being a the female titan...that logic never really held up for me.Actually, their description that the Female Titan's power is versatility holds up really well to me.

She has crystalization, but not on the same level as the Hammer Titan. She has lesser Titan control, but not on the same level as Founder or Beast. She has enhanced mobility, but not on the same level as Jaw.

She's the Jack-of-all-trades Titan, and I think that has value too. And why I desperately want to see Mikasa become it.

Honestly, the Attack Titan seems like the weakest to me. As it seems to have NO powers beyond just being a Shifter. If Eren wasn't also the Founder and took a needle full of Armor Titan, he'd have no special powers at all.

[Buffalobiian]

Honestly, the Attack Titan seems like the weakest to me. As it seems to have NO powers beyond just being a Shifter. If Eren wasn't also the Founder and took a needle full of Armor Titan, he'd have no special powers at all.

Unless it's bloody Endurance. No other titan thus far has transformed in succession like he has.

I've rewatched the episode twice this week, which is kinda rare for me. I realised that this episode gave EVA vibes in all the good ways -

-3rd impact level of destruction.
-Large humanoids battling in city areas, ripping arms off and looking like a berserk mode etc.

[Buffalobiian]

Episode 67

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Well, I would have never thought that Zeke would side with Eren.

So he was after inheriting the Beast Titan and reclaiming the the Founding Titan for a violent revolt this whole time? Guess we're in for more flashbacks.

Pieck's whole "I remember (Armin) because she's a devout follower of Zeke" doesn't quite make sense to me. ?mistranslation.
EDIT: Oh wait!! That tall fellow WASN'T Armin?!

Sasha dying was more or less foreshadowed. You'll kind of be missed - you're a funny character, but all the main cast is now so grown up and different that I just feel disconnected with them. I think I'd only personally care if the main 3 died.

[MFauli]

Honestly, I'm frustrated by how predictable and contrieved that was.

How did Gabi even catch up to the Zeppelin that was passing over 3 house blocks per second, lol?

But then she kills that guy (who existed as cannon fodder ...) and managed to get inside and shoot Sasha. How? Did everyone sleep?! And she even got a 2nd shot in! Shock my ass, that's too contrieved.

I'm glad she got punched, but fuck, they should have kept going.

Also FUCK Levi. How I hate that asshole. He abused Eren from their first time meeting, now again. I'd be so happy if Eren just ate Levi. What a weakass pussy. Levi is the worst strong character ever, no accomplishments of his own. Fuck Levi.

[neflight86]

What an episode!

And so the cycle of violence continues... I wonder how far 'deep' this conspiracy goes to essentially allow Eldians to come back into power? Is it going to be a cycle repeats kind of thing?

I felt pretty bad for Sasha, but annoyed that I caught a single phase spoiling her death on a wiki or something about a year ago; so I'm glad to finally be cruising spoiler free again. Kinda surprised that Mikasa was also crying over her; but not disappointed.

This can only get more messy from here. All out war on the world? Yikes!

[DarthEnderX]

Booooo!

Sasha was the one I LEAST wanted to die! FUCK Jean and Connie!


And yeah, tall soldier was some girl I don't remember.


Beast Titan eh?

That means all Marley has left is Armor, Jaw and Cart...

They didn't get Jaw though, which means Annie is still off the table.


What a weakass pussy. Levi is the worst strong character ever, no accomplishments of his own. Fuck Levi.I know you hate the guy, but that's just plain false. The guy mows down titans like grass.


And so the cycle of violence continues... I wonder how far 'deep' this conspiracy goes to essentially allow Eldians to come back into power? Is it going to be a cycle repeats kind of thing?Is that even the goal?

Cause, lets be real here, the Marleyians are Nazis and the Eldians are the Jews. It's not at all subtle.

I know that one soldier said New Eldian Empire, but it might just be more about freeing their people and toppling their oppressors.

[neflight86]

The story as advertised to other nations at least, is that the Eldians ruled over all with their titan powers until they were defeated and the powers split up into nine. "Eldian Empire" sounds a lot like world domination in this context.

Obvious parallels here if Nazi Germany, but the Jews didn't have within them the power to transform into titans, so I'm not surprised that the rest of the world can get on board the hate-train - especially now that Eren stomped out a good number of foreign delegates seemingly unprovoked.

Falco's got his work cut out for him if he's going to save the world from... this. His only advantage is that he hasn't become a little ball of hate, somehow.

[MFauli]

The issue is that the Eldians can't just return to Paradis and say "well, we showed them, we got their most important titan, now leave us be!"

With technological progress, Marley will eventually invent the atomic bomb, and then it's over for Paradis. Actually, now that I mention it I feel like that might happen during the very end of the story; I haven't read the manga, so this isn't a spoiler lol.

But how can Paradis even begin to think they could win a war against THE WHOLE WORLD? And making peace isn't really easy either, because non-Eldians wouldn't want to live among people that might transform into deadly giants any given second.

Phew.

Ah, fuck Sasha dying ... although I'll say it'd have been worse if Conny had died. I was expecting the Sasha-foreshadowing to be a diversion and then Conny bite the grass. Honestly, though, I hate how EVERYONE comes off as suicidal. Seriously, the atmosphere amongst the old main characters couldn't be grimmer. Eren, Mikasa, Levi, Jean, Conny, and most conspicuously Armin. It's like they all full well know "this is gonna end soon and we're not gonna live through it". :(

[DarthEnderX]

Obvious parallels here if Nazi Germany, but the Jews didn't have within them the power to transform into titans, so I'm not surprised that the rest of the world can get on board the hate-train - especially now that Eren stomped out a good number of foreign delegates seemingly unprovoked.Except for the part where Marley is the one MAKING the Titans. Like, the Eldians don't just become titans on their own. They become Titans because the Marleyans inject them with Titan juice to turn them into weapons.

It's like if the world feared Jews because they were also nukes, but the Nazis were the ones turning them into nukes and launching them at people.


Falco's got his work cut out for him if he's going to save the world from... this. His only advantage is that he hasn't become a little ball of hate, somehow.Falcon's heel turn is dependent on what happens to Gabbi. It's obvious she's the one he cares about, and if something happens to her, that's the thing that will send him into a hate spiral.


With technological progress, Marley will eventually invent the atomic bomb, and then it's over for Paradis.I mean, you're metagaming there. Atomic bombs might never be invented, and they certainly wouldn't KNOW that a thing they can't even conceive of is going to be invented.

But you are right that technology WILL surpass the Titans eventually, and they probably WILL come for them.

Of course...the solution there is to...also progress your technology, and not rely on the Titans for your defense.


But how can Paradis even begin to think they could win a war against THE WHOLE WORLD? And making peace isn't really easy either, because non-Eldians wouldn't want to live among people that might transform into deadly giants any given second.
Aren't the walls made up of, like, a million near-colossal Titans that the entire reason Paradis was left alone was because the Founder could wake them up and wipe out the world at any time?


non-Eldians wouldn't want to live among people that might transform into deadly giants any given second.Again, though, that...doesn't happen. Like, nobody inside the walls ever just spontaneously transformed into a Titan.

The Titans were all outside the walls, and they were there because the Marleyans kept making them and SENDING them there. If you don't have people running around injecting Eldians with needles full of Titan fluid, you don't have people turning into Titans.


It's like they all full well know "this is gonna end soon and we're not gonna live through it".Well, Armin and Erin DO know that. They're Titan shifters. Which means they're dead in a couple years regardless. And then Mikasa is all depressed because, well, the only two people in the world she cares about are dead in a couple years regardless.

[MFauli]

Wait, I thought Eldians turn into giant when Historia/Eren use their special call power? Injections are only for conscious titan transformations. Am I wrong?

Because conscious or not, all it takes is someone with the call power sneak into some town, call, and suddenly monsters everywhere.

[neflight86]

Except for the part where Marley is the one MAKING the Titans. Like, the Eldians don't just become titans on their own. They become Titans because the Marleyans inject them with Titan juice to turn them into weapons.


I don't think the world at large understands the mechanisms of how Eldians turn into titans. Marley has no reason to explain it, and even if they did, the danger they (Eldians) possess remains, so others may be wary and resentful of them as a people. Zeke was shown being able to shout out and create titans spontaneously (during the air drop in the first episode this season and off screen in season 2, unless you believe he individually held down and syringed Connie's whole village), so what if other Eldians can do that, or what if you don't know any better because you aren't privy to Marley's military secrets and just assume they can do that to themselves? I certainly believe they are rightfully afraid now theat they have struck the mainland.

Also, it would seem this entire conflict so far is of Erin's independent actions. He knew the scouts had to come get him, so he set up the stage to strike where he could accomplish the most of his goals (whatever those are/were; likely claiming the warhammer titan) before he is restrained by his own people.

[DarthEnderX]

Yeah but, neither of those is random, they're specific creations of a couple of the Shifters.

If you just make sure the people that become Shifters aren't assholes, there'd be no reason for there to ever be more than 9 Titans in the world. And no reason to worry about random Eldians becoming Titans.


I don't think the world at large understands the mechanisms of how Eldians turn into titans.We're talking about what hope Paradise has for peace.

If the Marleyans are keeping it a secret, obviously the first step is to...tell everyone.


during the air drop in the first episode Pretty sure those people weren't normal. They had rictus Titan grins even BEFORE Zeke roared.

[Buffalobiian]

Pretty sure those people weren't normal. They had rictus Titan grins even BEFORE Zeke roared.

I think that was normal. The grin was for effect.

[DarthEnderX]

I'm not talking about the shot of them in the plane where one looks like he's smiling, I'm talking about the shot of them all dropping out, where a bunch of them literally have their faces contorted into that horrible titan grim where the skin is pulled back and all their teeth are showing.

[Buffalobiian]

Yes, I'm talking about the entire grinning thing.

[MFauli]

episode 68:

I swear, AoT has invented time travel. These episodes feel sooooo short ...

It was interesting, but I didn't like the flashback. Just show me the present time events. And Levi remains an unlikeable asshole.

I wonder what Zeke's plan is. It's NOT awakening all the titans in the walls, right?

Also, was it really necessary for him to kill so many Eldians on Paradis if he always planned to go against Marley? Like, he could have conspired with Eren and Co. earlier :/

[DarthEnderX]

Also, was it really necessary for him to kill so many Eldians on Paradis if he always planned to go against Marley? Like, he could have conspired with Eren and Co. earlierNo point if he didn't think they could pull it off.

[Buffalobiian]

No point if he didn't think they could pull it off.

He also didn't have a group of volunteers to send to help them out. Remember that Paradise needed 3 years to climb the tech tree and build their knowledge. That time was bought by having the world learn Marley's titans were captured.

It also required Marley to not launch an immediate counterattack - that's why Paradise destroyed their port.

[neflight86]

Good to see the years gap was put to good use.

It makes sense in a 'of course it works that way' hindsight that there were other peoples conquered who don't like Marley enough to want to destroy them. My question is how or when, exactly, Zeke decided to take up his father's mantle? Was it before or after he outed his entire rebel cell? Was he always deep double, or did his hate fester and grow during his years of servitude?

I really like that at least some of the captives became more or less integrated to paradise island's little society- even if they are kept at arms length supposedly until the danger of war has passed.

[Buffalobiian]

Good to see the years gap was put to good use.

It makes sense in a 'of course it works that way' hindsight that there were other peoples conquered who don't like Marley enough to want to destroy them. My question is how or when, exactly, Zeke decided to take up his father's mantle? Was it before or after he outed his entire rebel cell? Was he always deep double, or did his hate fester and grow during his years of servitude?

Imagine if that was all actually Owl's ploy - that he knew Papa Jaeger's revolution meant nothing without infiltrating Paradise Island.. so got in touch with Zeke to force his dad into a spy mission to capture the Founding titan and to revolt in the coming years.

IF that was the case, and Eren remembers it, then it'd explain 100% why he has full confidence that Zeke will pull through with the plan.

[DarthEnderX]

I'm excited that we got an entire load of titan syringes. Means we can turn more of our favorite characters into Titans.

New girl clearly knows Annie. I wonder if they'll turn her to their side.

I'd actually forgotten that Shifters get the memories of the shifter they ate. I wonder if Eren learned anything interesting from eating the Hammer Titan.

[MFauli]

I'm excited that we got an entire load of titan syringes. Means we can turn more of our favorite characters into Titans.

But they'd be mindless titans, right? You first become a mindless titan and THEN you must a shifter to become a conscious titan. That's how I understood it. So unless you wanna sacrifice our favorite characters, I don't see how they can become conscious titans. Nobody's gonna eat Historia, Eren or Armin. Maybe Zeke could be up for dinner.

[DarthEnderX]

But they'd be mindless titans, right? You first become a mindless titan and THEN you must a shifter to become a conscious titan.Right. You have Female, Cart, Jaw and Armor still available.

Obviously you have beat them first, but that's what I'm looking forward to.

C'mon Jaw Connie!

[Buffalobiian]

If only we had Sasha Jaw Titan.

[DarthEnderX]

If only we had Sasha Jaw Titan.Nah, Hammer Sasha. She makes a sniper rifle.

[neflight86]

69

This is the first time I was genuinely confused watching this season. I had trouble telling which parts were flashbacks to before the beginning of the season, and which took place after. Some had an obvious continuity (Eren in the cell), while others felt disjointed- like when they were on the mini train, I thought Connie was hallucinating Sasha for a bit.

Now I'm also racking my head as to whether we've seen Mikasa's wrist before...

These episodes are necessary for the narrative, but they really sting to watch on a weekly basis.

[DarthEnderX]

Yeah, it's a real heartstring pull showing all these flashbacks with Sasha in them right after she died.

[Buffalobiian]

And next week Gabi escapes, eats at Sasha's dad's house and the guy explains to her why he's not hell bent on killing Sasha's killer. I'm hoping that it's somewhat effective, but not super effective. Gabi not changing her belief is just boring, but going with the flow too easily is also boring.

[DarthEnderX]

And next week Gabi escapes, eats at Sasha's dad's house and the guy explains to her why he's not hell bent on killing Sasha's killer. I'm hoping that it's somewhat effective, but not super effective. Gabi not changing her belief is just boring, but going with the flow too easily is also boring....why are you telling us this?

[Buffalobiian]

...why are you telling us this?

We mentioned Sasha in the post above, and then I remembered the preview scene so I'm speculating. What of it?

[DarthEnderX]

I thought people aren't allowed to talk about the preview scenes, for obvious reasons.

[Buffalobiian]

I thought people aren't allowed to talk about the preview scenes, for obvious reasons.

No such rule afaik.. it's part of the episode, as much as discussing OP/ED scenes are part of the episode.

[DarthEnderX]

I can't remember anyone doing it before(I think there was an argument about, like, 10 years ago).

That sucks. Didn't really want to be told what happens next episode...that's why I skip them.

[Buffalobiian]

I can't remember anyone doing it before(I think there was an argument about, like, 10 years ago).

Ladies and Gentlemen, let me take you back to 2006:

https://forums.gotwoot.org/showthread.php/13811-Forum-Rules-on-Spoilers

[Buffalobiian]

Episode 70

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OMG that girl mindfucking Gabi was so good. You can see her belief system break right down. I thought the dad was going to be involved but guess not.

[MFauli]

Man, my only wish for the remainder of this anime is that Gabi suffers as much as possible, ending with a gruesome death.

Easily the most hateable character in years.

She SEES all the people living no different than her own family, but she chooses to be blind and calls them monsters. That poor jail guard she murdered. Had my blood boiling.

Fuck Gabi.

[DarthEnderX]

She SEES all the people living no different than her own family, but she chooses to be blind and calls them monsters. That poor jail guard she murdered. Had my blood boiling.Yeah, it's nothing like how when white supremacists see minorities just trying to get by, and they just immediately stop being white supremacists.


Ladies and Gentlemen, let me take you back to 2006:

https://forums.gotwoot.org/showthread.php/13811-Forum-Rules-on-SpoilersI don't wanna read the whole thing. What did they decide?

Like I said, I can't remember the last time I saw someone talk about a preview.

Edit: Hey! It's me (https://forums.gotwoot.org/showthread.php/13811-Forum-Rules-on-Spoilers?p=336750&viewfull=1#post336750)! FUCK I'm old!

[MFauli]

Yeah, it's nothing like how when white supremacists see minorities just trying to get by, and they just immediately stop being white supremacists.

I don't wanna read the whole thing. What did they decide?

Like I said, I can't remember the last time I saw someone talk about a preview.

Edit: Hey! It's me (https://forums.gotwoot.org/showthread.php/13811-Forum-Rules-on-Spoilers?p=336750&viewfull=1#post336750)! FUCK I'm old!

Surprise: white supremacists are disgusting assholes, too. So the comparison to Gabi is a good one :]

[DarthEnderX]

I'm just saying, hoping a fanatical racist will suddenly stop being a fanatical racist when they see their target being downtrodden is some wishful thinking.

[neflight86]

... a return to the hard hitting feels I watch titan for.

Gabi certainly does not want her life's belief system turned upside down. Reiner even suggested they (Paradis inhabitants) weren't all evil when describing how there were 'all kinds' of them during the dinner scene back in Marley. Life abiding by principles can be simple, and kids gravitate towards simple, because they are kids who don't have life experience to weigh against their own morals. Eren blamed titans just the same, though he never had dinner with them (except for three). I think Gabi knows that the island devils may be related to the cause of her people's suffering, and that is good enough to have someone to blame. Her friends are dead. Assigning blame is important for revenge.

I'm glad that the audience alone gets to savor the irony of the orphan farm, and the young girl's inspiration by Sasha's selflessness. It would have cheapened the entire scenario for Gabi to have somehow found out or been told that she was saved indirectly by Sasha, whom she killed. Her beliefs were challenged plenty by the young lady. I liked that the girl's motivation is to be like the person that saved her. It is a common trope in anime, but it really hits home here due to the bleak tone the show has generally been soaked in. Light in the darkness, and all that...

Speaking of saved girls, who would have though that the little girl saved by Mikasa in ep6 would have returned as a pro-empire activist? I also didn't expect Hanji to have to face the old inner police's words about the questionable means to keep peace again. Brilliant.

[neflight86]

Jagerists... lol.

This episode really made me acknowledge that, for how complex and interesting the story still is to me, I can deny no longer that Mappa is really just animating the minimum possible it can get away with. This episode in particular was ugly, and even more so when in motion... I hope some reanimating or other touch ups make their way to the final release...

The obvious conflict brewing here is the Jager brothers' confrontation, and I can't wait to see how it plays out with Levi on guard duty. I'm surprised that the nationalists are so willing to spill Eldian blood to further their cause, and are quickly becoming an unsympathetic faction. I'm already giving my heart for the next episode.

[DarthEnderX]

I don't like how now everyone has the "shadowed eyes" effect going on, like, all the time. They used to reserve it for when a character was really surprised.


At this point, I hope Eren is just using the Jaegerists. Like, they think his goal is to use the rumbling to create a New Eldian Empire. But it's actually the same as it's always been, to destroy all titans.

[MFauli]

Episode 13:

Man, it feels so good every time Gabi is punched.

Don't quite understand what else is going on. Where does that Floch guy come from, why is he working with Eren, what's with the wine? I guess drinking the wine let's Zeke transform them into titans?

Also yeah, it's annoying that everyone permanently has those vertical eye lines that used to express high distress in the past. Irritating.

Can't say I like Eren's attitude. Seems like now that the finale is about, the author took away all connection between Eren and the audience, now he's just a plot device with an attitude. Oh well.


And Levi continues to be my most hated character after Gabi. Hope Eren gets a good punch at him before all is over.

[exglitch67]

Episode 13:

Man, it feels so good every time Gabi is punched.

Don't quite understand what else is going on. Where does that Floch guy come from, why is he working with Eren, what's with the wine? I guess drinking the wine let's Zeke transform them into titans?

Also yeah, it's annoying that everyone permanently has those vertical eye lines that used to express high distress in the past. Irritating.

Can't say I like Eren's attitude. Seems like now that the finale is about, the author took away all connection between Eren and the audience, now he's just a plot device with an attitude. Oh well.


And Levi continues to be my most hated character after Gabi. Hope Eren gets a good punch at him before all is over.

100% agree on Gabi, she just refuses to learn. Glad her lessons are getting deeper, but unfortunately she is a fanatic, truly wonder if she will ever convert.

Floch has had an amazing arc, pretty sure he hated the scouts in S3, he was part of the garrison rookies that joined the scouts to retake wall Maria? Its the battle where the beast titan took out 50% of the remaining survey corps. He was in the last charge on the beast titan, and dragged Erwin to safety. Hated that Armin was the one to receive the colossal. Now he is 100% a fanatic like Gabi.

I think the eyelines are there to depict how stressful the situation is. Like it was rare before and we thought shit was bad, but now as you mention its a permanent fixture. Could be bad animation or progression of intensity.

I am actually really liking Eren at the moment. If we had Eren pov at this stage in the anime it would ruin story progression and the reveal of Zeke's overall plan. I still have faith Eren is on Mikasa and Armin's side, just curious how he has protected from playing into Zeke's hands

Fuck Levi...there I said it.

[Buffalobiian]

They made great use out of Sasha's death, that's for sure. I felt cheated initially, but looking back.. .yeah that was a good move.

[DarthEnderX]

Yeah, see, the Beast Titan doesn't just spontaneously make Titans. Eldians have to be dosed with Titan fluid.

So yeah, Eldians are only a problem because Marley keeps MAKING them a problem.

[neflight86]

This explains the titan drop from Ep1 this season.

I thought the dinner scene was really well done (no pun intended), and made Sasha's death have some more impact. Her parents truly embody grace, as one handed the knife to the other, and it was set away. Gabi is finally starting to be faced with the unrelenting realization that these people aren't... can't... all be demons beyond redemption- and that has clearly broken her just in time to sit down at a table with the metastasization of everything she wants to hate.

This (overall) story can actually be kind of hard to follow, in a good way. Many moving parts and a confrontation that is always looming. I hope Erin isn't too far gone to at least see some of the reason that Armin and Mikasa will try to impart on him.

What is with the Levi hate? He's a compelling character who, if anything, could be criticized for being almost a "Gary Stu" who excels at almost anything, but fits into the story shockingly well. He never claimed to be a paragon of virtue- just that he was following orders and acting to further 'mankind's survival'. He has a point in that all of the resources... all of the sacrifices poured into keeping Erin in play are seeming questionable now that the power has somewhat gone to his own head. Remember when Erin punched himself in season three for daring to think he was special somehow just because he had titan powers? That lesson clearly didn't sink in all the way, and his idealism has since manifested as... well, we don't know exactly what yet.

Falco got the worst of it, though- I am curious to know his part in all of this, ultimately. Exciting stuff, as always.

[DarthEnderX]

I don't get the Levi hate either. It seems to boil down to "he's mean to Erin!" but Erin is a massive dickhead.


I hope Erin isn't too far gone to at least see some of the reason that Armin and Mikasa will try to impart on him.I'm still hoping he's just using the Jaegerists so he can kill all titans.

[shinta|hikari]

Eren, it's Eren.

[DarthEnderX]

...

Aaron.

[MFauli]

i know there was an earthquake which impacted the latest episode, but ... will we never get it now?

[Munsu]

i know there was an earthquake which impacted the latest episode, but ... will we never get it now?

Only entered the thread despite not watching this season yet because I knew it was going to be about this, maybe this will answer your question:

https://www.animenewsnetwork.com/news/2021-03-15/attack-on-titan-quake-delayed-episode-73-rescheduled-to-next-week/.170638

[MFauli]

So can we expect both episode 14 and 15 today? I think I read that both episodes would be aired this week, not sure.

[shinta|hikari]

Yes, yes.

[MFauli]

Episode 14 and 15:

And now everything's supposed to end with ONE more episode? That's bullshit :/

The episodes themselves were fine, although I find Eren's completely changed character rushed. You can't just do a time skip and expect me to accept that Eren is now "Punished Snake". But with only one more episode, I doubt there's time to explain much.

I can't really believe that Eren would truly hate Mikasa, especially "for all those years". Makes me think that maybe Eren is faking everything for ... whatever goal he has in mind. Maybe he wants Mikasa to leave Paradis, go with her ancestors who, albeit using her for financial gain, would still be a better future than being with Eldians? I dunno. But if Eren was serious, then wtf. See above. Too rushed imo.

[exglitch67]

Episode 14 and 15:

And now everything's supposed to end with ONE more episode? That's bullshit :/

The episodes themselves were fine, although I find Eren's completely changed character rushed. You can't just do a time skip and expect me to accept that Eren is now "Punished Snake". But with only one more episode, I doubt there's time to explain much.

I can't really believe that Eren would truly hate Mikasa, especially "for all those years". Makes me think that maybe Eren is faking everything for ... whatever goal he has in mind. Maybe he wants Mikasa to leave Paradis, go with her ancestors who, albeit using her for financial gain, would still be a better future than being with Eldians? I dunno. But if Eren was serious, then wtf. See above. Too rushed imo.

I agree this whole season has game of thrones S8 vibes.

[MFauli]

I agree this whole season has game of thrones S8 vibes.


OMG, I couldn't put it in words and ... that is it. :/

Yeah, it feels like we're right before the last episode of GoT. Still hopeful that the finale turns out great, but too much stupid shit has already happened and we're anxious and full of doubt. I will say, though, that Attack on Titan hasn't been as bad as GoT's final season. But it's definitely comparable.

[DarthEnderX]

Hah. I knew it. Eren doesn't give a shit about a New Eldian Empire. It's a solid(if horrifying) plan.


I find Eren's completely changed character rushed. You can't just do a time skip and expect me to accept that Eren is now "Punished Snake".He hasn't changed at all. His goal has been "destroy all Titans!" since episode 1, and it's exactly the same now.


Makes me think that maybe Eren is faking everything for ... whatever goal he has in mind.I'm assuming that's the case. He's performing a role until he can accomplish his goal.


And now everything's supposed to end with ONE more episode?Wait, WHAT?!

[Buffalobiian]

I found Zeke's "Fuck not this beyblade again!" moment hilarious.

Next week's episode being the last one seems to be true. I'm skeptical about ending it in such little time but let's see.

[neflight86]

I'm doubtful that one more episode will finish the story, but perhaps there will be a 'final season part 2' later this year, or a movie?

Erin's change in character could be him trying to protect them from what he about to do by distancing himself from them. He has access to arcane knowledge now and is likely going to attempt something that could end the world. By comparison, Zeke's sterilization plan might seem more humane, but also ultimately accepts Eldian's 'sin' of existence and denies them the right to life going forward. Interesting that the creation of Titans could well be links to Ymir (OG) modifying Eldian bodies to resist a pathogen. I hope we get to see the truth of what happed in the past, as all we have a conflicting state and revisionist extremist teachings on the matter.

Live, Levi, li~ive! I always had you pegged for death; but not like this!

I could not disagree more on the quality of entertainment provided by this season- to compare it to GoT's slow decent (s5 onward) is kind of insulting. Titan's quality (aside from the animation itself) has never waned in my opinion. This story is gripping, and nothing gets between me and my viewing of this each week ever since it began airing in 2013. Sorry if it isn't working for you, but I've never experienced a story like this before, anime or otherwise...

[MFauli]

I'm doubtful that one more episode will finish the story, but perhaps there will be a 'final season part 2' later this year, or a movie?

That would have been announced already though, wouldnt it?

[MFauli]

wtf

apparently it was announced yesterday that this is onlly PART 1 of the FINAL SEASON. Fucking lol. Why wasnt this announced way earlier? I guess my worries of a rushed ending are somewhat gone now. Instead I'm looking forward to a mean cliffhanger ....

[DarthEnderX]

Oh thank god. I was also worried about how the fuck it was gonna end in 1 episode.

[Munsu]

Trying to avoid reading anything since I'm not up-to-date, but:

https://twitter.com/anime_shingeki/status/1376196378624282625

Next episode "this winter", not sure if that's the final episode or the beginning of a Part 2 season.

[DarthEnderX]

Next episode "this winter", not sure if that's the final episode or the beginning of a Part 2 season.There's no way they'd take a year off for one more episode.

Unless the finale was gonna be a movie.

[Buffalobiian]

Episode 75

---------------


Pieck making everyone blush while waving her arms at Jaw Titan in the crowd to show him she's tied up. Brilliant.

Interesting that some random titan came to rebirth Zeke. I thought initially that Levi made himself a titan to ensure he gets to take over Beast.

[MFauli]

Disappointed that we didn't get any action in the last episode :( That was super lame.

Now waiting a year. Ok.

Honestly, it feels pretty meh. They should have communicated to fans earlier that this actually wasn't gonna be the end, but only half the final season. Would have lowered my expectations.

[neflight86]

There can be no greater pain than knowing I one must wait months for the next episode... except perhaps, this actually being the last episode, so I am grateful.

Lets start it where we ended it (or vice versa?), right here in Shiganshina! I'm certain that Erin's plans to be free still involve pretty much killing the rest of the world that would stand in his way, so I can't say Marley is entirely unheroic right now, their vested interests aside.

I wonder if Armin crying was because he felt Zeke's/Yelenna's plan was somewhat noble, and he knows deep down that replying on a person with Erin's temperament would doom such a plan to failure? As if he is crying to say 'I'm sorry you pinned your (our) hopes on him'.

Any chance we'll get the Jujutsu Kaisen team to work on the last part of this season?

[Munsu]

Any chance we'll get the Jujutsu Kaisen team to work on the last part of this season?

Well not sure about the differences in teams, but they also need to work with Chainsaw Man, which will be a highly anticipated series and I think there's a prequel movie for Jujutsu Kaisen as well.

[DarthEnderX]

Interesting that some random titan came to rebirth Zeke. I thought initially that Levi made himself a titan to ensure he gets to take over Beast.I thought that too!


I'm certain that Erin's plans to be free still involve pretty much killing the rest of the world that would stand in his way, so I can't say Marley is entirely unheroic right now, their vested interests aside.I might be more sympathetic if all of this wasn't entirely their fault.


I wonder if Armin crying was because he felt Zeke's/Yelenna's plan was somewhat noble, and he knows deep down that replying on a person with Erin's temperament would doom such a plan to failure? As if he is crying to say 'I'm sorry you pinned your (our) hopes on him'.I'm pretty sure he was trying to do the same thing to Yelenna that Pieck was doing to Eren.

[DarthEnderX]

Edit: Double post

[Buffalobiian]

Interesting that some random titan came to rebirth Zeke. I thought initially that Levi made himself a titan to ensure he gets to take over Beast.

hah.

Remeber episode 73? 3 titans escorted Zeke out of the forest. 2 were killed by Levi, and Zeke transformed next to the 3rd, ripped it up and splattered guts trying to hit Levi. At the end of that fight, a piece of lower jaw twitched as Levi dragged Zeke away.

That lower jaw regenerated back into the very titan that came to regenerate Zeke.

This damn continuity man..

[neflight86]

76

It's that time, boys...

I really hate to see it, but Levi was pegged as a dead man seasons ago so I'm not surprised. His death is too juicy a narrative device in a show that has so much character death. It still hurts to witness (though he'll likely come back since Hange saved him, but I don't expect him to be much of an action player going forward with how mangled he was). So even Zeke is still figuring some of this titan stuff out, not knowing how he resuscitated.

Marley is putting up a much better fight on the offense. Piek MVP with the "Boom, headshot!"

Commander went dere on Gabi, cute.

I want some clarity as to what Erin is scheming for- his personality is 'take on all comers' and 'kill his opposition', which got him baited into a fight he's now losing, but he still hasn't taken actions that will give us the flashback to his meeting with Zeke, so there's another potential turn awaiting.

The pain of seven days is real.

[DarthEnderX]

(though he'll likely come back since Hange saved him, but I don't expect him to be much of an action player going forward with how mangled he was)Unless he becomes a Titan, which will heal all his injuries.

[MFauli]

Unless he becomes a Titan, which will heal all his injuries.

Serioulsly! nefligh, are you trolling? Sorry, but imo it is 100% guaranteed that Levi is NOT dead and will return, maybe even as a titan. That was the most obvious not-dead scene ever :D

Great episode. Lots of fighting, then lots of drama. I currently have one big fear: I want Eren to win. I want fucking Marley to lose, be eradicated and have Eren triumph. But with how it's presented, they make Eren out to be the bad guy :/ It's Death Note all over again.

Btw it's dumb how many Eldians are dying from being shot by Marleyan soldiers. Wasn't there are shortage of Eldian fighters already? They must be super close to being eradicated. Plus it sucks how easily they get killed, come on, they're more experienced fighters than Marleyans, even if not with guns, then with moving around and outmaneuvering them. At least make it look believable, not this sitting duck-style killing.

Anyway. The worst kind of wait has begun anew.

PS: If rumors about this season not showing the final final end, but a movie coming afterwards, they better tell us NOW rather than ending the season on a cliffhanger and then announcing a movie ...

[DarthEnderX]

I currently have one big fear: I want Eren to win. I want fucking Marley to lose, be eradicated and have Eren triumph. But with how it's presented, they make Eren out to be the bad guy.I agree with Armin that Eren is just pretending to go along with Zeke until he gets his power. What I'm not sure of is what he plans to do with it.

Eldian empire? Sterilization? I could see him doing either.

But...if the power gives him so much control over the Eldian's biology that he can just sterilize every one of them across the world...what ELSE could he do to them? Turn every Eldian into a titan shifter? Extend their lifespans? What?

[Buffalobiian]

But...if the power gives him so much control over the Eldian's biology that he can just sterilize every one of them across the world...what ELSE could he do to them? Turn every Eldian into a titan shifter? Extend their lifespans? What?

Remove the titan shifting ability.

btw, that was Ymir repairing Zeke there. If these are all subjects of Ymir, she's there somewhere. That titan healed Zeke "on its own". Something bigger is at play.

[MFauli]

Have "the paths" been mentioned before? Kinda expecting some bs twist now lol.

Anyway, I stand by my two hopes:
- Eren wins
- Marley gets fucked (especially Gabi)

[Buffalobiian]

They were mentioned before. I've forgotten the extent, but yes.

Probably around the time when they mentioned the how the royal family controls titans, and how one of the previous kings always exerts his influence on any royal family member carrying the Founding Titan such that they're always pacified.

[DarthEnderX]

I thought the paths were the 9 shifter titans.

[Buffalobiian]

Now that I think about it, the last time I remembered Paths being a thing was when old Attack Titan dude told Eren's dad about the future.. then he went "why did I say that?" before transforming the dad.

[MFauli]

Episode 77:

What was up with the blonde guy's scary face at Armin?! Didn't get that scene at all, lol.

Otherwise great episode, lots of plot and lots of stuff happening. I guess the one thing that's a bit frustrating is how Zeke and Eren could be way more successful if they acted more strategically. Zeke was way too inactive, just standing on top of the wall for most of the time. He should be throwing nonstop, especially at key targets like Pieck. And Eren needs to stop his zombie-like walk forwards and just deal with Rheiner and the smaller titan first. Not sure why Eren is walking so slowly, either, he just needed to regenerate fully.

Gabi with the very late realization.

I assume Eren wants to eat Zeke to obtain his power, eh?

[Buffalobiian]

What was up with the blonde guy's scary face at Armin?! Didn't get that scene at all, lol.

It was to show her potential distrust towards him.


He should be throwing nonstop, especially at key targets like Pieck.

Throwing uses energy, and he needs to priorities throwing at people going for Eren. When you're throwing at someone, you're not looking out for the others.


And Eren needs to stop his zombie-like walk forwards and just deal with Rheiner and the smaller titan first. Not sure why Eren is walking so slowly, either, he just needed to regenerate fully.

He's tired and doesn't have enough energy to regenerate properly. He did his Warhammer Titan Spike move many times to save his ass.


I assume Eren wants to eat Zeke to obtain his power, eh?

Eren needs to touch Zeke. The whole point is that they have a Royal Blood person who can use the Founding Titan power (or vice versa). When a Royal is ALSO the Founding Titan, they get brainwashed by the Sage/King. Eren eating Beast just becomes Eren with a another titan power, he loses out on the Royal aspect.

Theoretically if Royal Blood is all that's required he can use Historia, but I don't know if their plan requires the Royal to know what they're doing (or cooperate).

[DarthEnderX]

Zeke was way too inactive, just standing on top of the wall for most of the time. He should be throwing nonstop, especially at key targets like PieckHe's been doing everything! Taking out blimps, troops, Jaw, Cart(until she hid behind the wall). He single handedly turned the tide!


And Eren needs to stop his zombie-like walk forwards and just deal with Rheiner and the smaller titan first. Not sure why Eren is walking so slowly, either, he just needed to regenerate fully.I assume he can't. They can only regenerate so much damage. And he's taken a LOT of damage.

[neflight86]

Yeah, Zeke was throwing a storm from up there, and the vantage point is why I assume he didn't try to descend to meet Erin.

Ylena has always looked kinda crazy, but that shot really sold it.

Very chaotic battlefield with allies and enemies constantly shifting. Interesting. Will Falco stay Zeke's scream? What a strange hostage situation.

I'm still assuming Erin is about to betray everyone's expectations due to some arcane memories he has.

[MFauli]

Will Falco stay Zeke's scream? What a strange hostage situation.

That is why I assumed Eren would eat Zeke; because Zeke won't do the scream when Falco is there, but Eren doesn't give a shit about Falco. But if it is like you guys said that eating Zeke wouldn't work and they need to "touch" (when was that established? Physical touching activates an ability? so weird), then either Zeke will scream anyway or there's gonna be another twist. Couldn't someone else eat Zeke and then touch with Eren? How about Armin eating Zeke? Or ... couldn't Zeke scream, then Falco transforms into a titan, and then titan-Falco eats Zeke, thus gaining his ability?

[DarthEnderX]

Ylena has always looked kinda crazy, but that shot really sold it.Definitely a meme-worthy shot.

[neflight86]

But if it is like you guys said that eating Zeke wouldn't work and they need to "touch" (when was that established? Physical touching activates an ability? so weird)

In season three Erin discovers/supposes he can use the ability by simply touching someone of royal blood when he touches Historia at the ceremony. This is essentially a workaround to use the founding titan ability, because if a royal actually inherits the power, they are brainwashed by the first king. If a commoner has it and touches a royal, they can use the power without the 'safety lock', is how I understand it.

[MFauli]

Every time you write "Erin", a kitten somewhere on this planet dies, neflight

(sorry, it's really grating lol. At first I thought it was a spelling error, but you keep doing it ...)

Thanks for the answer though. But who is the first king? Have we seen him?

[neflight86]

How about "angry titan hating boy"? I've seen various subtitles over the years and seen it spelled so many different ways that I don't bother to commit the correct spelling to memory.

First king was the one who established Paradise island- he took a subset of eldians a hundred years ago from Marley and wiped everyone's memories (everyone on the island at least) while threatening marely with the rumbling if they ever dared come after them- so some of those people could live in peace, supposedly. There is a puppet-like show in the first part of season four that would serve as a good refresher- the episode before angry titan hating boy ate Willy.

[MFauli]

It's エレン, which literally translates to Eren, so believe me that this is the correct spelling :)

As for the king, why would have still be alive after 100 years? I thought titan users don't get much older than 30.

[Buffalobiian]

As for the king, why would have still be alive after 100 years? I thought titan users don't get much older than 30.

There was a King.

He made Paradise Island what it is until the start of the series.

Somehow he exerts his will onto every Royal who ingests the Founding Titan, so no Founding Titan holder to date has been able to enact a rebellion.

Eren is a commoner who ate the Founding Titan. He can't use its powers unless he touches a Royal.

The king is dead.

Titan user's age is irrelevant. They live for 5 or something years once ingesting a special titan, we're told.

And before anyone asks, Zeke is a Beast Titan holder with Royal blood. If you eat him you inherit the Beat Titan power. You don't inherit his Royal blood.

[MFauli]

episode 78:

FFS, can't Eren EVER be the one on top of the game?! :(

Also fucking Gabi. Truly the worst character in this anime. She's comically annoying at this point.

[Ryllharu]

Also fucking Gabi. Truly the worst character in this anime. She's comically annoying at this point.

Gabi is infuriating. She's also one of the best written characters in the series. I'm dead serious.

[MFauli]

Gabi is infuriating. She's also one of the best written characters in the series. I'm dead serious.

I actually agree. That's what makes her so frustrating. You want to hate her, but you don't want her to be gone from the series.

[DarthEnderX]

Haha, Falco got the shit titan.

Armin needs to shift. Goddamn.

[MFauli]

Haha, Falco got the shit titan.

Armin needs to shift. Goddamn.

Yeah, wtf is up with Armin?! He could have at least transformed outside the walls and punched the carrier titan off the wall top.

[neflight86]

FFS, can't Eren EVER be the one on top of the game?! :(


A-ron had his fun at the beginning of season four when he infiltrated Marley and forced all of those soldiers to come save him after he started and ended a fight with the warhammer titan, so I don't think this is entirely fair.

Unlike what his father believed, this boy is not special. Just a dumb kid with some extra memories and maybe a little god complex, as demonstrated at the convergence point. He has gotten so far because he has literally had an entire nation pour its resources into protecting and shaping his power. Zeke has endured the same or more hardship in his journey and has, so far, come out on top in this exchange. Neither are heroes, unless your definition of a hero includes the genocide (peaceful or otherwise) of a group of people.

Sad what happened to Falco, and the roar was almost numb in the context of how morose AoT is with character death. I'm surprised that Gabbi is the one who finally pulled a real head spinner and catapulted us into what appears to be another story arc.

I wonder how long we're going to be at the center the coordinate, and what we shall learn now that Zeke has the power to full-Thanos his own people. He seems like he retains hope in converting little brother.

Not my thought, but the comments elsewhere pointed out that the title of this episode, "brothers", could be applied to the finality of both the Jagers, Colt and his Brother Faclo, and the Jaw titan and his brother, who all got some degree of climax this episode, which is pretty clever if you ask me.

[MFauli]

What's sad about Falco, though? He'll regain his consciousness once the titan guy is properly swallowed. Best outcome for him, considering the Titan call was always happening, don't kid yourself.

I thought about whether it was dumb of Eren to reveal his true intentions the moment he did to Zeke, but ... he would have lost either way. Assume he didn't reveal anything. Then eventually Zeke would have just continued to order Ymir to do whatever he wants anyway, because Ymir only listens to him. So whether Eren says something or not, he wouldn't have been able to execute his plans.

[neflight86]

What's sad about Falco, though? He'll regain his consciousness once the titan guy is properly swallowed.

There was no guarantee that his titan would get to eat a shifter, or wouldn't be cut down or otherwise sacrificed or disposed of. His transformation also killed his brother who was pleading for his (Falco's) life. Zeke didn't even want him to be harmed. That's all pretty sad to me.

[MFauli]

There was no guarantee that his titan would get to eat a shifter, or wouldn't be cut down or otherwise sacrificed or disposed of. His transformation also killed his brother who was pleading for his (Falco's) life. Zeke didn't even want him to be harmed. That's all pretty sad to me.

Zeke controlled titan Falco to eat Rainer, then changed it to the other guy. Outside of being killed prior, Falco was absolutely guaranteed to eat a shifter.

[DarthEnderX]

What's sad about Falco, though? He'll regain his consciousness once the titan guy is properly swallowed.He's still only got 8 years to live now.


Zeke controlled titan Falco to eat Rainer, then changed it to the other guy.Zeke didn't change it. He was incapacitated at the time.

[MFauli]

He's still only got 8 years to live now.

Didn't just talk about this and that it's not known how long they truly live? Where was 8 years mentioned?

[Buffalobiian]

Didn't just talk about this and that it's not known how long they truly live? Where was 8 years mentioned?

I can't remember the actual number being 8 or whatever.

But it's been mentioned repeatedly that Titan holders have limited lifespan and need to be ingested in order to control possession of the titan.

[MFauli]

I can't remember the actual number being 8 or whatever.

But it's been mentioned repeatedly that Titan holders have limited lifespan and need to be ingested in order to control possession of the titan.

Yeah, but afaik it was more like 30 year years or so. Still shit lifespan, but far beyond 8.

[Buffalobiian]

Yeah, but afaik it was more like 30 year years or so. Still shit lifespan, but far beyond 8.

I googled afterwards because I can't be bothered finding the episodes, not that I'd remember which episode it came up in. It's much closer to 8 than 30.

My impression/memory from watching the series was also a lifespan much shorter than 30.

Naturally, look it up at your own risk.

[neflight86]

To save from spoilers, the time limit is 13 years from ingestion. That is why Grisha had to give his titan to Ehryn when he did. He ate the owl on the wall, infiltrated the big walls, and had 13 years to complete his duty before passing it on. Just long enough to have a kid and raise it a bit, then be eaten by him.

[MFauli]

I hope somebody keeps track of neflight's Eren-variants.

[shinta|hikari]

Why are you so stuck on calling him Eren anyway?

[DarthEnderX]

To save from spoilers, the time limit is 13 years from ingestion.I think I thought it was 8 because they said Eren had 8 years left before the timeskip. But that was 5 years after he became a titan.

I know they've said Zeke and Reiner are nearly out of time.

[MFauli]

Why are you so stuck on calling him Eren anyway?


B-because it's correct?

[DarthEnderX]

B-because it's correct?Yeah, but who cares? It's not like you don't know why they mean. You aren't like "Who's this Erin person? Is that a new character?"

[MFauli]

episode 79:

Omg, haha :D Fantastic episode. Eren with some serios Light-energy. <3

The "Attack titan can see the future" is bs outta nowhere, ofc, but it's done so nicely, I allow it. It's so weird, creepy and cool how it actually makes sense that "past" Grisha can see and interact with future Eren and Zeke ... he knows Eren's future memory, so he "sees" how they're observing him in the past. Blows my mind thinking about it, haha.

Ofc, the biggest bs is that apparently time is a fixed matter in this world. Only then is it possible that an Attack titan-bearer would be able to see the memories of his FUTURE bearer. If time wasn't fixed, there'd be no way for this almost-time paradox to happen. I say "almost", because impressively there is no paradox as of now, despite some time travel shenanigans. Most stories with time travel fuck it up.

The actually biggest bs, of course, is Ymir and whatever power is even allowing Eren and Zeke to travel Grisha's memories. Is Ymir a literal goddess that can just do "magic"? I don't like that part, makes everything else kinda trivial, because why not do this or that when you can work magic. But it's the final season, so I'm not gonna question it too hard now.

Anyway, good episode, but I hope they can bring it to a satisfying end now.

[Buffalobiian]

The actually biggest bs, of course, is Ymir and whatever power is even allowing Eren and Zeke to travel Grisha's memories. Is Ymir a literal goddess that can just do "magic"? I don't like that part, makes everything else kinda trivial, because why not do this or that when you can work magic. But it's the final season, so I'm not gonna question it too hard now.

That's your issue?

The founding titan brainwashed all Eldians. Memory replay is easy mode.

What I found weird is that the Attack Titan bearers can only see certain memories - so who or how controls what it sees? It explains Eren Kruger naming Mikasa etc in his final moments, but for example - Grisha should have known that Freida can't be convinced so he should eat her anyway.

It's weird how it works, but anyway.. this is pretty damn tight.

The question is then, whether Eren sees his future if he is the final Titan. I assume he'd see other futures if he wasn't, but then the same logic applies - how much does he get to see, and who's deciding that?

Actually, now that I think about it, did he already have all of this worked out when he connected with Historia the first time? Remember that time is infinite and instant here, so he could visited all the memories and worked out the secrets of the Paths World all those years ago. Maybe Eren connecting with Historia is the sole reason that the Attack Titan holders had glimpses of memories - because during that moment he gave all the relevant people the flashbacks required. I didn't think he was that mature then but.

[MFauli]

That's your issue?

The founding titan brainwashed all Eldians. Memory replay is easy mode.

What I found weird is that the Attack Titan bearers can only see certain memories - so who or how controls what it sees? It explains Eren Kruger naming Mikasa etc in his final moments, but for example - Grisha should have known that Freida can't be convinced so he should eat her anyway.

It's weird how it works, but anyway.. this is pretty damn tight.

The question is then, whether Eren sees his future if he is the final Titan. I assume he'd see other futures if he wasn't, but then the same logic applies - how much does he get to see, and who's deciding that?

Actually, now that I think about it, did he already have all of this worked out when he connected with Historia the first time? Remember that time is infinite and instant here, so he could visited all the memories and worked out the secrets of the Paths World all those years ago. Maybe Eren connecting with Historia is the sole reason that the Attack Titan holders had glimpses of memories - because during that moment he gave all the relevant people the flashbacks required. I didn't think he was that mature then but.

I think the reason why Grisha didn't know he had to eat Frieda was that he only know Eren's memories from when Eren was alive. Eren exists in some weird afterlife-like world right now. Grisha knew from living Eren's memories that Frieda and the rest have to be eaten. But when he arrived at the scene, he couldn't do it. NOW, dead Eren takes action in his "present" time and encourages Grisha to do it. You know the rest.

The question is: What state is Eren in and will he be able to return from there? Assuming he doesn't just stay in Ymir's afterlife, and assuming that I understood the attack titan bearer's future sight correctly, there needs to be some sort of "cut" so that it still all makes sense, otherwise Grisha would indeed have seen what he had to do already. Maybe, and I'm just throwing out this idea, Eren did die, but by some Ymir-shenanigans, he's being sent back as his own attack titan-successor. Just a random idea, though.

Also: Why did Frieda look like female Eren? Total genderbender, lol.

[DarthEnderX]

The "Attack titan can see the future" is bs outta nowhere, ofcIt is absolutely fucking NOT out of nowhere. They've been hinting at that shit for half the series!

[MFauli]

It is absolutely fucking NOT out of nowhere. They've been hinting at that shit for half the series!

Then link me a single post in this thread where you talk about it. Then I'll believe you.

[DarthEnderX]

Then link me a single post in this thread where you talk about it.Hey numbnuts, that's not how foreshadowing works. You don't understand what it is until it's been explained. But Erin has had weird flashes of shit in the past. They started out as a mystery. Then explained to be his dad's memories. And now explained that they weren't all the past.

[MFauli]

Hey numbnuts, that's not how foreshadowing works. You don't understand what it is until it's been explained. But Erin has had weird flashes of shit in the past. They started out as a mystery. Then explained to be his dad's memories. And now explained that they weren't all the past.

That Eren inherited his dad's memories was explained to be part of becoming a titan bearer. NOW we know that this was more than that. But it was no foreshadowing.

[Buffalobiian]

Kruger knew of Mikasa before he turned Grisha. At that point it was hinted that memories were not all from the past

[DarthEnderX]

Kruger knew of Mikasa before he turned Grisha. At that point it was hinted that memories were not all from the pastThank you!

Here's me (https://www.gotwoot.org/showthread.php/21487-Attack-on-Titan-Shingeki-no-Kyojin?p=566568&viewfull=1#post566568) being concerned at the time about "time shenanigans". So they've been foreshadowing this for at least 2 1/2 years. That was pre-timeskip.

[MFauli]

Who is Kruger?

[Buffalobiian]

Who is Kruger?

The spy who turned Grisha and gave the attack titan to him

You need to watch a recap or something.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wKROoVC1q7E

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So, turns out that guy does a pretty good recap, and I'd also forgotten that the one time Eren manifested Coordinator powers was when he punched Dayna-Titan and got a glimpse of royal power.

[DarthEnderX]

You forgot THAT? That was like the massive seasonal climax where Eren's titan seemingly did something special for the first time!

...and then didn't do it again for, like, 3 more seasons before they explained why. :p

[MFauli]

You forgot THAT? That was like the massive seasonal climax where Eren's titan seemingly did something special for the first time!

...and then didn't do it again for, like, 3 more seasons before they explained why. :p

What did he do?

And yes, waiting years in between season does that to my memory ;/

[DarthEnderX]

So they establish that the Attack Titan always refuses to be ruled. But Eren says he's been that way since he was born. And we known the Attack Titan has the memories of its future users.

The implication being that Eren infected all the previous Attack Titan hosts with his rebelliousness. And is the reason they always rebl.


What did he do?That's the moment he tried to human punch the titan that ate his mom, there was an electrical spark, and then all the nearby titans suddenly attacked her and tore her apart.

At the time, I thought that was the Attack Titan's special power. But we found out WAY later it was cause she had royal blood, so touching her let him use the Founder's power.

[neflight86]

An excellent twist this episode as Zeke paraded Errand around these memories trying to dissect just where he was brainwashed by Grisha only to slowly realize that he had pretty much always had a few screws loose and was willing to kill for his freedom. Finding out that not only did the attack titan give future memories, but that Grisha had been staring down based Eyron during those pivotal scenes as well was a delightful recontextualization of what we thought we knew about events thus far, including the killing of the Reese family. Little details getting glossed over have a way of coming back to bite the viewer's behind in Attack on Titan, and I love it.

Brilliant.



The implication being that Eren infected all the previous Attack Titan hosts with his rebelliousness. And is the reason they always rebl.

I didn't think of that. If he appeared to dear 'ol dad, it makes sense that he would to previous holders as well.

No doubt the rumbling is coming, with that warning Grisha gave out.

[MFauli]

"Screws loose" for "willing to kill for his freedom"? That's a pretty good reason in the realm of reasons imo.

[DarthEnderX]

"Screws loose" for "willing to kill for his freedom"? That's a pretty good reason in the realm of reasons imo.If he were rational, yes. But Eren is consistently portrayed as being pretty unhinged.

Good intensions doesn't really excuse acting like a rabid dog.

[MFauli]

If he were rational, yes. But Eren is consistently portrayed as being pretty unhinged.

Good intensions doesn't really excuse acting like a rabid dog.

He grew up in a world where it's normal that gigantic humanoid monsters eat you when they get near you. I think he was pretty well adjusted for that.

[neflight86]

He grew up on the other side of walls that prevented him from being exposed to any of the titan business until the wall fell. It didn't have any impact on him at the time he had already demonstrated the ability to kill without remorse or hesitation. He was always high functioning psychotic.

The fate of the world being in his hands is the most chilling thing so far. I only hope the small remaining tethers to humanity (friends and loved ones, if any) can stave off his wrath if his power is as great as hinted at.

[MFauli]

episode 80:

OMFG!!1

I love it :D

One of the few flashbacks in anime that was exciting from beginning to end. It was cool to see the author actually trying to explain the titan powers. Admittedly, the weakness of that explanation is "where did that divine parasite come from and get his powers from?", but when it comes to fantasy and scifi, you'll always reach the point where you have to just presume something to be the case, whether that's a Mana tree, a warp engine or the Force.

However, we're not at the end, so I'm worrying that Eren will not actually win in the end :/ This happened too early, meaning that something else can/will happen to oppose his plans.

But still, I enjoyed this episode greatly. Even the titan eating-thing was explained with that King's "eat your mother's body to inherit her powers!". Great.

[Buffalobiian]

Ep 80

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Zeke my boy. The violent genocide you're about to see can't be further from your intended vision.

Interesting backstory on Ymir, who was in fact a nobody. She just happened to be outed for losing a pig (who knows if it was actually her anyway, she was probably just easy to blame). She happened to get Titan Powers from a creature within ?Yggdrasil?. Clearly these guys are Nordic.

Despite obtaining great power she chose to return and serve, got some sort of life, then went to protect her king that she presumably developed feelings for. I gather that she probably could have regenerated, but decided to give up in despair. Despite that, the cannibalism meant she had to serve her kind in death by continuing to provide them with titan powers.

By the end of this, I wonder how much she could have refused physically. I'm going to guess that she can't leave the Coordinate World (World of Paths). Could she have stopped making titans (for example, choose not to revive Zeke when he blew up)? Or did she still need an outside agent to follow (As in, invite Eren into that world so she could take the Founding powers from Zeke to give Eren)?

What's still not explained is how one particular king (Fritz the Pacifist Sage Descendant, not Fritz the Original Asshole Slavedriver) exert so much influence that he overrides every Royal since him?

Actually, thinking harder about this.. what happens when an Non-Eldian gets injected with spinal fluid?

And if all present day Eldians are descendants of Ymir, and she only fucked the king.. everyone's technically a Royal.