Attack on Titan: Shingeki no Kyojin

[shinta|hikari]

Eren's first mistake is not listening to Levi's hint when he said that his choice of transforming is not wrong. Instead, he chose to trust all the jerks who were panicking themselves and below Levi in real skills and rank.

If he had faced off against the female titan from the start, Levi would have been there and at the very least that would have bought them enough time for Mikasa to show up after hearing Eren's shout. 3 vs 1 sounds like really good odds.

Even on the second opportunity, he would have had most of the elite team backing him up.

Actually, splitting Eren and Levi up was a really dumb decision. So is leaving Mikasa on the forest border to what, stand around? A fucking noob could have done that.

A smarter commander would have made Mikasa Eren's personal bodyguard. She frigging leaves position to chase after him all the time anyway.

[Kraco]

Eren's first mistake is not listening to Levi's hint when he said that his choice of transforming is not wrong. Instead, he chose to trust all the jerks who were panicking themselves and below Levi in real skills and rank.

I'm sure Levi telling Eren a few times he will kill Eren personally if Eren causes any trouble (that is, turns into a titan) doesn't exactly encourage him to turn into a titan when everybody around him keeps telling him not to.


A smarter commander would have made Mikasa Eren's personal bodyguard. She frigging leaves position to chase after him all the time anyway.

I'm sure they kept Mikasa away from Eren for two reasons: To make Eren even easier to control by being surrounded only by people who suspect him and would be willing to slay him at a moment's notice, with Eren naturally knowing all that. Even a single ally who actually believes in him might have made him bolder. The other reason naturally is that humanity doesn't have a single smart commander. After all, Erwin was supposed to be the smart one, but we all just saw the sad limits of his wits.

[shinta|hikari]

Eren distrusts himself (understandably because he almost killed and even scarred Mikasa), so instead he decided to trust his allies. Trusting your allies is fine, but he should have trusted Levi instead of the minions.

The first reason you mentioned for keeping Mikasa away is flimsy. If anything, having someone (who he almost killed while in Titan form once) he cares about near him will discourage Eren from transforming. At that point, they don't doubt Eren's loyalty anymore (as shown in the communal thumb biting scene), just his control. Your second reason is far more believable.

[Kraco]

The first reason you mentioned for keeping Mikasa away is flimsy. If anything, having someone (who he almost killed while in Titan form once) he cares about near him will discourage Eren from transforming. At that point, they don't doubt Eren's loyalty anymore (as shown in the communal thumb biting scene), just his control.

That's hard to say. Even though Eren did indeed try to attack Mikasa, it's 100% certain Mikasa wouldn't try to hold him responsible even inside her own mind, let alone publicly. Instead Mikasa would likely voice support for any scheme Eren could come up with (excluding a suicide), as long as she would also have a part in it, in order to protect him. Mikasa and Armin trust and believe in Eren, even if Mikasa sometimes acts like a mother... For a young chap there's a world of difference between being alone among people who look down on you or having trusty friends beside you. Looking at it from the opposite perspective if Eren had seen Mikasa or Armin in deadly danger, there would have been no stopping him going all out, titan out included, to save them. A bit surprisingly he could stomach watching strangers and half-strangers getting smashed quite long before deciding to act.

[shinta|hikari]

That's not really surprising. I would probably laugh or at the least be entertained if some random stranger died in front of me, but would probably go berserk if it is someone I actually care about, as rare as they are. I believe Eren is pretty righteous, wanting to save the other squads who he does not even know.

Mikasa does not blindly support Eren. She blindly wants to protect him, so if Eren chooses a risky path, she would oppose it as much as she can. Only if that does not work, like when Eren obsessively wanted to join the scouts, will she reluctantly join him. Funny thing is, Eren listens to everyone else's opinion excluding Mikasa's, when it is clear whose opinion will actually keep him safe.

[MFauli]

1.) Mikasa is a noob, too. Just because she´s ridiculous talented doesnt change the fact that she just finished her education.

2.) It really was a lose-lost situation for Eren in terms of making *that* decision. As is, everyone of his team died. sucks. HOWEVER, had he transformed, maybe nobody would have died (unlikely). Yet, afterwards everybody would hate Eren for "not trusting" them. So even if Eren was capable of having these thoughts, it´d come down to "do i want to be hated or not?"

[Kraco]

Funny thing is, Eren listens to everyone else's opinion excluding Mikasa's, when it is clear whose opinion will actually keep him safe.

Like hell it will. The kings and lords long opted not to fight, living confortably inside the walls - until they now lost one of the walls and a huge chunk of land with it, with tens of thousands of people dying as well. I don't see that overly safe in the long run.

I don't agree on Mikasa wanting to keep Eren solely safe as opposed to fighting, even if she regularly shows a little opposition in the very beginning. She always follows him nonetheless and tries her best to see Eren through it. Someone as good as Mikasa at fighting can't be all averse to it anyway.

[shinta|hikari]

Mikasa clearly prioritizes Eren's safety so she can be with him. She just doesn't want him to hate her more. So when Eren gets stubborn, she has no choice but to follow. If the two priorities ever switch, Mikasa would become Yuno.

Safe in the long run? Eren almost died at least 4x since he joined the army, some of which are even from hands of allies. Normally for soldiers, there is no long run.

[DarthEnderX]

Eren's first mistake is not listening to Levi's hint when he said that his choice of transforming is not wrong. Instead, he chose to trust all the jerks who were panicking themselves and below Levi in real skills and rank.You're treating it as though Levi was telling him that it was the right decision. I didn't see it that way.

To me, it seemed like he was saying "Transforming isn't wrong, neither is trusting us. There is no right or wrong, there's just the decisions you make."


If he had faced off against the female titan from the start, Levi would have been there and at the very least that would have bought them enough time for Mikasa to show up after hearing Eren's shout. 3 vs 1 sounds like really good odds.

Even on the second opportunity, he would have had most of the elite team backing him up.Like I said, I have no problem with him trusting them the first time. But when that trust he placed in them turned into a complete clusterfuck failure, he should never have let them talk him into trusting him a second time.

I blame Pleadingeyes McTreepancake, for getting him to do it twice.


Actually, splitting Eren and Levi up was a really dumb decision. So is leaving Mikasa on the forest border to what, stand around? A fucking noob could have done that.Remember that Mikasa IS a noob as far as they're concerned. She just joined, like, last week. She's a very skilled cadet, but still just a cadet.

[shinta|hikari]

Levi said exactly that. Make your own decision. Eren initially wanted to transform, but instead, he got convinced by the pleadingeyes of his team. He should have followed through and believed in both Levi's advice and himself.

I understand that she is a noob, but she has more than proven what she is capable of during the last attack. Moreover, she is ALWAYS running after Eren and not following orders. Why not just place them together? A better commander would have taken that in consideration and ignored the usual process and placed the proper people in the proper places. It was an understandable decision to group Mikasa with the other new recruits, but it wasn't the best.

[DarthEnderX]

I understand that she is a noob, but she has more than proven what she is capable of during the last attack.But that was before she even joined the Corps. They might not even be aware of how awesome she is yet.

[shinta|hikari]

That would also be proof of a sub par commander. You get a new member who is top of her class, AND a close friend of the transforming titan and you don't ask about or read reports (there are reports, it is military after all) about her skills and achievements?

Mikasa has saved (when she forced that asshole merchant into the gate etc.) more people and killed more titans in her 2 weeks than most of the scouting legion in years of service.

[DarthEnderX]

Maybe, but those are just reports. It's not the same as actually seeing her in action.

[shinta|hikari]

Most of upper brass decisions are based on reports. They are not always on the field, and even if they are, they can only see a small part of the field. Erwin didn't see Eren turning into a titan but he believed it easily enough.

[DarthEnderX]

Right. But reading a report that says "Cadet Mikasa killed several titans during the defense of Trost" is not the same thing as seeing her go all crimson ninja death valkyrie with your own eyes.

[DarthEnderX]

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So, yeah. Levi is on a completely different level.

When Pain goes all Sonic the Hedgehog, it's incredibly stupid. When Levi does it, it's the coolest thing ever.

[David75]

Like everything else in that anime, you always have limits.
Levi might be incredibly fast and skilled, his body still has limits.
My only question is how can he wald after spraining his ankle.

Now regarding those tears, I wonder what Levi thinks about them.

[DarthEnderX]

I gotta say, I'm really annoyed that the Survey Corps has to turn Eren over because the mission failed.


Now regarding those tears, I wonder what Levi thinks about them.Probably that it's intelligent, which he already knew.

I wonder why she was crying. Was it just pain, or is she really upset that she failed?

[MFauli]

im sure you can make up explanations, but still ... if Levi had engaged in a fight from the beginning, (almost) nobody would have had to die. And also retreating when the female titan was that crushed was just dumb as hell. Oh no, his ankle. He´d still be strong enough, and he had Mikasa assisting him.

Again, you can make up excuses (Levi couldn´t have fought from the beginning since the FT wasnt as tired; he retreated because of his injury; etc.), but it´s still so unsatisfying. sigh.

Also, if our assumptions about who the three special titans are, are correct, I hope it gets resolved very soon. It´s frustrating to think that these monsters are walking amidst those scared, terrified soldiers. Well, maybe next episode is about that already, since Armin seems to have figured it out. fingers crossed.

[Buffalobiian]

I wonder why she was crying. Was it just pain, or is she really upset that she failed?

She cried for the same reason that the Recon Squad feels down about - Operation Failed means that the sacrifices were for nothing. You can somehow justify the body count if you got results, but to fail means that they were wasted more or less. She failed in her objective to capture Eren which she perceived was for the greater good, while the Recon Corps failed to capture the female titan which they also thought was for the greater good.


And also retreating when the female titan was that crushed was just dumb as hell. Oh no, his ankle. He´d still be strong enough, and he had Mikasa assisting him.

It's important to work out what you have to do, and focus on accomplishing that. When you become greedy and yearn for more, you risk losing what is really important to you. Levi showed that in how he acted. Mikasa almost died while trying to kill the titan when it wasn't necessary. The body-retrieving pair demonstrated right afterwards that when such greedy actions backfire, it can be catastrophic.

Small, steady steps as they say.

I feel that Armin has the potential to become someone like Erwin. He's smart and had a vision for venturing outside the walls. The thing that was holding him back was his physical weakness and his lack of balls (that latter part comes with being smart and being able to perceive risks). With this expedition, it seems he's capable of going through with the best possible actions and hardening his will. He currently lacks charisma, but that will come when he hardens up. It's not like Pixis was the most appealing person, and it seems Erwin is so elusive to most people that they wouldn't really follow him for his sake anyway.

Usual anime trend would put Eren as team leader though due to his passion, with Mikasa following him with great skill and even greater devotion, leaving someone like Armin to deal with strategy and Jean to lead the city defence/administration.

[MFauli]

Usual anime trend would put Eren as team leader though due to his passion, with Mikasa following him with great skill and even greater devotion, leaving someone like Armin to deal with strategy and Jean to lead the city defence/administration.

i wonder whats the plan now, anyway. if i was erwin, i´d go with a small team to retrieve whatever´s inside the base of eren´s house. what was the plan of this failed mission anyhow? finding out about the human titan? just go with a group of 2-3 people that you´re sure are on your side and get to eren´s house!

btw, WHEN is the soundtrack for this anime being released? it´s soooo fantastic, damn. Whenever the music kicks in, i get hyped for that Wii U-game that´s getting music from the same composer. And thinking back, even Xenoblade Chronicles for Wii, the de-facto prequel to the upcoming game, had similiar themes as Shingeki no Kyojin (won´t spoiler since you should play for yourselves :P). so good.

[Buffalobiian]

if i was erwin, i´d go with a small team to retrieve whatever´s inside the base of eren´s house. what was the plan of this failed mission anyhow? finding out about the human titan?

That's the mission objective. The higher-ups knew that as well and approved it. Going to Eren's house to fulfil the "bait" objective won't help them out in this case. If Erwin wasn't summoned the way he was, perhaps he could have sent a small squad out after they entered the walls (so that they can go out covertly).

It might not be as easy as we think though, because they can't fight on normal ground and the house seems to be ages away. If intelligent titans are actually around and looking for them (since they let the news out), then a small squad could be swamped by numbers.


btw, WHEN is the soundtrack for this anime being released?


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[David75]

They lost everything except some intel:
4 MIA. Among them is the female titan...

The return of the legion was quite nice in that you could start to understand how it must feel to come back alive as a commander when you failed and lost so many of your troops.

I was a little surprised Petra was almost depicted as green recruit. Maybe I didn't understand well that she survived for 5 years in the most deadly corp. She only died because she met quite a monster among Titans.

For some reason, I felt like Mikasa would be Levi's replacement in the future. Maybe the ankle sprain, showing his body can't follow his awesome skills. It's hard to tell how old he is, but I guess like in any highly demanding sports, around 30-35 you start to get lots of injuries because you compensate for a decline in physical abilities.

[Buffalobiian]

They lost everything except some intel:
4 MIA. Among them is the female titan...

If our guess is right and the titan is Annie, she's not one of the 4 MIA. She's in the Military Police.


Maybe the ankle sprain, showing his body can't follow his awesome skills.

I'd like him to stick around longer. The ankle sprain (at first I thought it was a broken leg) was totally Mikasa's fault, since he had to dive in to save her. That move was outside of his calculations.

Following the "why wouldn't you crush the female titan" and "tears" idea, he may have also noticed that the female titan had regained her eyesight by then but didn't pursue. Perhaps she couldn't, who knows.

The whole eye thing highlights how important it is to bail after you get your objective though. Tricks can happen. Erwin got screwed over because he didn't know the titan could summon, while the Slayer squad died because they didn't know F.titan could accelerate the regen of one eye. These two groups lost while trying to reach their primary objective so it couldn't be helped, but Levi would be a failure if he lost his/Mikasa's life while being greedy.

[David75]

Even if the FT is not in the legion, doors do not open easily in that closed space story.
So there should be a list of who enters and who goes out the walls. Unless she's working for an insider group and has other ways out.

[shinta|hikari]

Dammit Mikasa, why can't I hate you even after you pull some dumb ass green shit like that even after being explicitly told not to by the best soldier in the world? Moreover it even injured mankind's most powerful warrior (who is certainly not fucking Eren who needed to be saved again, again, again, again...).

Levi is fantastic. Certainly the best character in the show so far excluding Mikasa, who wins because she is absurdly cute.

[Buffalobiian]

edit: @Buff: Im waiting for a "hotter" Mikasa figurine :P One with more of dat cleavage. :>

You sure she's got the boobs to pull it off though?

http://img24.imageshack.us/img24/2198/8j3j.jpg

edit: oh, and the other thing..

F.Titan could raise her arm to hit Mikasa, but didn't use it to prevent Levi's rescue when he was in her mouth? Strange.. maybe it worked out better in the manga panels that may have portrayed the rescue being faster than it seemed.

[shinta|hikari]

Yes, the slice and rescue did indeed happen in a short moment. The anime just slowed it down a bit so people can see what was happening. You can see the titan's arm slowly drooping down after Levi rescued Eren. That means everything happened before it could react. Looking at Levi's speed, it is certainly possible.

[Kraco]

F.Titan could raise her arm to hit Mikasa, but didn't use it to prevent Levi's rescue when he was in her mouth? Strange.. maybe it worked out better in the manga panels that may have portrayed the rescue being faster than it seemed.

It might be the titan was already running on fumes and didn't have any juice left after trying to hit Mikasa. The fact it didn't chase after them suggests as much as well. In that sense they might have been able to defeat it, but all in all after losing so many men due to underestimating the enemy, Levi's decision was undoubtly the correct one.

[shinta|hikari]

The skin hardening thing is simply OP. The titan can just harden the skin on its nape and it would be safe.

[lelouch]

The skin hardening thing is simply OP. The titan can just harden the skin on its nape and it would be safe.

It could require an immense amount of chakra.

[shinta|hikari]

Didn't seem like it. The titan was using it non-stop while it was trapped, but it still managed to get eaten, escape, reform, do it again in the battle against the elite squad, then still manage to beat Eren in titan form.

[DarthEnderX]

Even if the FT is not in the legion, doors do not open easily in that closed space story.
So there should be a list of who enters and who goes out the walls.I would think that with maneuver gear she could just climb over the wall in a place where there's no city and little in the way of guard patrols.

[Kraco]

I would think that with maneuver gear she could just climb over the wall in a place where there's no city and little in the way of guard patrols.

That doesn't still remove the fact she would be counted missing during the day. Unless she has a superior officer who's a part of the conspiracy and can formally assign her some cover mission to explain her absence. Military tends to closely follow each and every member of its force. A vacation during these times seems unlikely as well.

[lelouch]

That doesn't still remove the fact she would be counted missing during the day. Unless she has a superior officer who's a part of the conspiracy and can formally assign her some cover mission to explain her absence. Military tends to closely follow each and every member of its force. A vacation during these times seems unlikely as well.

Sick day.

[DarthEnderX]

Sick day.That would work if they weren't specifically LOOKING for anyone who couldn't be accounted for.

If they go "Okay, so who wasn't accounted for on the day of the female titan attack?" "Well, everyone was here except this person who was out sick." That's a huge red flag.

[Kraco]

Hmm... That might work - if we were talking about career officers or other senior personnel. That is, the sort of people who live in their own houses and come to work every morning like normal people. However, it would do little good to rookies who are forced to live in the barracks. Furthermore, we are talking about the military police here; I would assume they keep all the closer watch on the new recruits.

Under such circumstances you wouldn't be sick unless a doctor admits you are sick, and then you spend the day(s) in the hospital. If you go missing from there, it's no different from going missing from the barracks, or it might be even worse if they think the sickness was a faked one.

[Archangel]

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[DarthEnderX]

I think you might be overestimating how fascinating the comparison is...

[DarthEnderX]

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[Buffalobiian]

Wow.. nice. From the preview last week I thought perhaps Armin was going to sus Annie out himself, but he managed to get everybody on board with it. I was hoping somewhere for an Annie/Armin pairing.. maybe it will happen, maybe it won't. I can't tell whether their development so far was to show Armin "unlocking" Annie or if it was just to show Armin's intellect.

As for Annie, she'd better not lose her shit and just turn into a crazy girl. Her cool composure and perhaps past trauma has it all going for her.

PS: oh, and that gagging. That was hot.

[MFauli]

lol @ annie´s "im crazy and cumming while being exposed to the truth" reaction. but i liked it, crazy annie is best annie. and yeah, have her and armin become a couple, though i have no idea where that would lead, lol.

damn, when armin appeared and told annie his plan, i thought "oh sigh, this is sooo stupid". but then it turned out to be a trap. phew.

[DarthEnderX]

Yeah, it took me a little bit to realize they were setting her up. Think I realized it soon as I saw the tunnel.

Kinda sucks that Armin's trap relied on her being a good person...

[Kraco]

Yeah, it took me a little bit to realize they were setting her up. Think I realized it soon as I saw the tunnel.

Kinda sucks that Armin's trap relied on her being a good person...

The tunnel was so blatant that it gives the impression Armin actually either hoped he's wrong about Annie or that she's indeed mysteriously so good a person she would let herself be captured, despite having killed numerous people as the female titan. Neither really were very realistic or appropriate for a perfect plan. It seems somewhat strange to knowingly introduce a huge flaw that can cost numerous lives. But perhaps it will help Armin to develop into a strategist who can avoid the kind of mistakes Erwin makes. One can learn more from one failure than ten victories, after all.

Still, no matter the outcome, at least this should provide more resources for the army. Nobody can say anymore they are safe within the walls when a titan can suddenly appear there out of nowhere.

[KrayZ33]

considering their timelimit and what would've happened if she was not the female titan, it was a pretty good plan imho
aaaaw... man.... annie, don't go, I don't want her to disappear from the show


the MP bitch (forgot her name) was really annoying, I wanted to smack her right from the beginning - such a slut.
the whole MP made me kinda angry, while I knew that most of them did it to get into the inner area, I didn't think that they were like *this*.
I can't believe people still trust them, they are as annoying as the wall-church/cult which is really annoying too btw, because its so absurd, yet so believable when I take a look around.

[DarthEnderX]

aaaaw... man.... annie, don't go, I don't want her to disappear from the showHey man, the MP's are demanding to dissect a human titan, and dammit, the survey corps are going to provide them with one!

[David75]

That world is rotten to the core. We had several hints before, but they of course emphasized that in that ep.
Shows that Annie, although being an enemy now, does what she does for an objective she thinks is just.

Now, I wonder if Armin and co will ever find common ground with her.
Even if her cause is just, she's had to dirty her hands a lot. Probably explaining why she cried when she missed her objective. Killing all of those capable people for nothing.

[DarthEnderX]

I also wanna say, even though they tried to make it seem like the people who jumped out and grabbed her were very fast and all, there's no way they would have gotten to her before she could bite her finger.

[MFauli]

ALSO ... metal ring! seems my theory back then about the metal spoon wasnt all wrong.

[DarthEnderX]

ALSO ... metal ring! seems my theory back then about the metal spoon wasnt all wrong.Maybe, maybe not. Being metal didn't seem to have anything to do with the reaction, just that she used it to slice open her finger.

[lelouch]

Now, I wonder if Armin and co will ever find common ground with her.
Even if her cause is just, she's had to dirty her hands a lot. Probably explaining why she cried when she missed her objective. Killing all of those capable people for nothing.

He could try basketball diplomacy, like Dennis Rodman.

[Buffalobiian]

Maybe, maybe not. Being metal didn't seem to have anything to do with the reaction, just that she used it to slice open her finger.

I knew immediately that the ring was linked to her transformation, but only because it reminded me of the transforming ring from Skyrim. Since she put it on right from the start, I suppose that it shows she had some slight distrust in Armin as well.

[Buffalobiian]

gg - Episode 24 (http://www.nyaa.se/?page=download&tid=475424)

[MFauli]

since we´re nearing the end (for now), i want to say:

I liked Claymore better than Shingeki no Kyoujin.
Both these anime feature a similar atmosphere, characters dying all the time, gruesome, super-powerful opponents. But the single deciding factor is pace. Where Claymore managed to actually start, execute and end a scene in one episode, SnK relies so much on long-winded, dramatic setups. Just this latest episode was used only to show Eren´s mindset going from "i cant kill annie" to "i can". A whole episode for that. And that wasn´t the first time.
As much as I enjoy this anime, the producers fucked up by not waiting until they had enough manga chapters to properly turn this series into an anime.

[Buffalobiian]

since we´re nearing the end (for now), i want to say:

I liked Claymore better than Shingeki no Kyoujin.
Both these anime feature a similar atmosphere, characters dying all the time, gruesome, super-powerful opponents. But the single deciding factor is pace. Where Claymore managed to actually start, execute and end a scene in one episode, SnK relies so much on long-winded, dramatic setups. Just this latest episode was used only to show Eren´s mindset going from "i cant kill annie" to "i can". A whole episode for that. And that wasn´t the first time.
As much as I enjoy this anime, the producers fucked up by not waiting until they had enough manga chapters to properly turn this series into an anime.

By and large I agree. Is the anime and the manga really that close? I thought they simply decided that they wanted to end the anime at this point and was stuck with either a short 13ep run or a long 25ep run.

[David75]

Still, Annie is by far what is making that anime interresting for the time being.

Mikasa is nice, but her character is too sterotypical/scripted yet. Even if I liked the fact she's already trying to copy some Levi moves...

[Buffalobiian]

Mikasa's "Eren is mine, fuck off bitch" mentality pisses me off a little as well due to the irrational decisions that her devotion leads to.

Talking about Claymore, one thing Titan does better in is the music. If nothing else, it's better produced.

[lelouch]

Yeah I feel bad for anyone who thinks this show's animation or pacing is bad, simply because they aren't able to enjoy what I find to be a really entertaining show to watch. I like Mikasa's character, I like Annie, Levi, and Erwin. The fight scenes and music that goes along with it are amazing.

I don't think Mikasa's decisions to protect the person who means most to her at all costs are irrational.

[DarthEnderX]

Haha, this episode was ALL about the crazy eyes.

Crazy scientist lady for one, and Mikasa "why can't you kill her? Do you LIKE her?!" McDeathStare.


since we´re nearing the end (for now)We are? How for are they going? 25 or 26?

[Buffalobiian]

Haha, this episode was ALL about the crazy eyes.

Crazy scientist lady for one, and Mikasa "why can't you kill her? Do you LIKE her?!" McDeathStare.

We are? How for are they going? 25 or 26?

This is finishing up next week at 25.

[shinta|hikari]

Well, a 2nd season is definitely coming. We are only waiting for more manga content.

[Kraco]

I thought the reverse to the usual shounen setting of an underdog main character growing progressively stronger was the cooler setting of an already strong main character facing more subtle challenges (like in Chrome Shelled Regios or Kaze no Stigma, for example), but in fact this show is the reverse: A weak main character keeps getting still weaker and stupider towards the end.

[KrayZ33]

I thought the reverse to the usual shounen setting of an underdog main character growing progressively stronger was the cooler setting of an already strong main character facing more subtle challenges (like in Chrome Shelled Regios or Kaze no Stigma, for example), but in fact this show is the reverse: A weak main character keeps getting still weaker and stupider towards the end.

"I had so high hopes for this series, but it just gets worse and worse with every new episode."

[shinta|hikari]

Hope is mankind's greatest tragedy.

[Penner]

[HorribleSubs] Shingeki no Kyojin - 25 [1080p] (http://www.nyaa.se/?page=download&tid=477697)

[HorribleSubs] Shingeki no Kyojin - 25 [720p] (http://www.nyaa.se/?page=download&tid=477695)

[HorribleSubs] Shingeki no Kyojin - 25 [480p]
(http://www.nyaa.se/?page=download&tid=477694)
Literally just finished watching all the eps like two hours ago, perfect timing!

edit: There's a small scene after the ending/credits, just so you don't miss it.

[darkshadow]

Well shit, I guess now we know why those ppl worship the walls.

[deadlydreamx]

Anyone have any idea when the next season might start? I wanted to ball up in a corner and cry when i found out this was the last episode.

[DarthEnderX]

Awesome season finale.

Longest pause ever when I had to stop to read all the text in the commercial cards. Interesting info there.

Not as interesting as the fact that there's titans inside the walls!!!


Anyway, sure was satisfying to see that church get smashed.


I finally realized this episode that Annie's fighting style is Muay Thai as fuck.

I wonder if Eren being on fire is, like, his Titan special ability(like Annie's diamond skin), or if he was just so worked up that he was overheating.

[Dark_n1ghtmar3]

Awesome season finale.

Longest pause ever when I had to stop to read all the text in the commercial cards. Interesting info there.

Not as interesting as the fact that there's titans inside the walls!!!


Anyway, sure was satisfying to see that church get smashed.


I finally realized this episode that Annie's fighting style is Muay Thai as fuck.

I wonder if Eren being on fire is, like, his Titan special ability(like Annie's diamond skin), or if he was just so worked up that he was overheating.

seemed like he was in rage beast mode cant wait for second season now i got 1 less thing to watch

[Buffalobiian]

Annie survives. :')

That is all that matters.

[MFauli]

ugh, worst finale for such a clifferhanger. i mean, itd be a nice ending, if only it werent for the, what, 3 years wait for its continuation.

Titans inside the walls ... i assume those werent used to actually build the wall, because we never saw them when the other walls were shattered to pieces.

and damn, i hate annie. mega-bitch.

[shinta|hikari]

The walls were not shattered before. I think those were the gates.

[DarthEnderX]

^ what he said. It was always the gates that were breached before, not the walls themselves.

So did anyone else read the commercial break story where it implied that the walls go beneath the ground like a floor as well?

[David75]

^ what he said. It was always the gates that were breached before, not the walls themselves.

So did anyone else read the commercial break story where it implied that the walls go beneath the ground like a floor as well?

Yup.
We've got intel on tunnels too, don't we?
I wonder why the walls go so deep. Would that mean that walls existed far earlier than told and with time and sedimentation, humanity continued to build them higher?
What would be the need to have walls going far under the surface? We've not yet seen a titan that is able to dig, should we anticipate that?


The other info we got from that is intel management.
For some reason, there are spies everywhere and you can't even voice once something unusual about walls or any classified topic.
But at the same time, none of those spies has been apprehended or spilled the beans for centuries.
That means everything is incredibly well structured in that world, and the truth behind Titans and all is well protected.

[Buffalobiian]

The question from me is: Did the titans within the walls become the wall willingly. We've got Eren-titan fighting for mankind, there's no reason others can't do the same.

It's entirely possible that while titans were made as either:

1) an accident
2) a way to advance the human race
3) a way to unite humans with a common enemy
4) a way to cripple the human race,

that some titans thought the last of mankind should be preserved, and used themselves to become the walls of humanity.

Perhaps it's Annie's goal to liberate these unsung heroes as the current humanity is a piece of degraded shit anyway? The titan in the wall had that peeled look, and the only 2 peeled titans we've seen are intelligent, and to all intents and purposes - human. I really do sympathise with Annie even though we know close to nothing about her still, mainly because she feels remorse about all the lives that have been sacrificed. Whatever her goals are, she sees that it's worth it in the end. Eren just rampaged like no other in his own sense of justice. I'm not going to argue that the justice is misplaced, but he's not looking around to see where it's taking him. Perhaps it's his lack of control over his titan form. Or perhaps he's just simple-minded.

[shinta|hikari]

I loved the part where the cultists were squished like no one cared.

[DarthEnderX]

I wonder why the walls go so deep.It's not just that they go deep, it's that they go beneath the ground as well.

So it's like, rather than being three separate walls, like this: | | |

The three walls are actually one GIANT disc, with three walls built on top of it, like this: |_|_|

[MFauli]

well, its obvious, isnt it:

these walls are the last defense against the angels. below lies the central dogma. Titans are newborn angels, sent to break down mankind and reach the central dogma. Eren, Annie and Co. are the first "pilots".
Conclusion: Attack on Titan is an Evangelion-prequel.

:o

[shinta|hikari]

Chuunibyaaaawn...

[Kraco]

Whatever her goals are, she sees that it's worth it in the end. Eren just rampaged like no other in his own sense of justice. I'm not going to argue that the justice is misplaced, but he's not looking around to see where it's taking him. Perhaps it's his lack of control over his titan form. Or perhaps he's just simple-minded.

Eren's goal, which he forgot for the middle part of the show, is to slay all the titans after he watched one eat his mother (and kill countless others around him). It's quite a simple-minded goal compared to elaborate plans, but that's why being a rampaging berserk suits it well. What's there to see about where it's taking him? It's taking him either to a world free of titans or his own death. Quite simple.

[Buffalobiian]

Eren's goal, which he forgot for the middle part of the show, is to slay all the titans after he watched one eat his mother (and kill countless others around him). It's quite a simple-minded goal compared to elaborate plans, but that's why being a rampaging berserk suits it well. What's there to see about where it's taking him? It's taking him either to a world free of titans or his own death. Quite simple.

What happens if killing all the titans involves killing civilians?

The problem with his goal, is that it isn't a means to benefiting humans if killing is all Eren's concerned about. What happens when it no longer coincides with the needs of humans? Will Eren become the enemy of humanity just to kill further titans?

[DarthEnderX]

It's taking him either to a world free of titans or his own death.Both really. He IS a Titan after all. So after killing all the other titans, if he really wants to rid the world of titans once and for all, he has to kill himself too.


What happens if killing all the titans involves killing civilians?It already did. In order to beat Annie he had to throw her through a bunch of inhabited buildings, killing people inside.

[shinta|hikari]

Yeah, that was the best part. Squished because Eren punched Annie. I wonder if he actually feels guilt for doing that.

[Kraco]

Yeah, that was the best part. Squished because Eren punched Annie. I wonder if he actually feels guilt for doing that.

Whether he does or doesn't shouldn't affect his actions if he plans to stick to his goal. I'd say he does feel, considering he became a useless weakling after joining the recon legion, but now he ought to have understood that the outcome is dictated by the feelings he lets control himself the most. Like Armin said, if he's only concerned about losing things (allies, his own comfort), he won't achieve shit. If he's only concerned about slaying titans, he can do that in a grand fashion but also irreversibly lose something in the process.

[Buffalobiian]

I realizeit's happening already, the question's does Eren? You're also right in in that you have to sacrifice in order to get something done, but to what end? Erwin can sacrifice, but he doesn't do it in vain and he also keeps track of his losses. Can Eren?

Pretending or outright not seeing your collateral damage isn't the same as accepting and taking responsibility for them.

[Kraco]

Pretending or outright not seeing your collateral damage isn't the same as accepting and taking responsibility for them.

If he fights as a titan in the middle of the city, there's no avoiding collateral as long as the opponents don't care about it (like they won't). The choice would be to hold back and achieve nothing, letting the enemy run free. Taking responsibility is a matter of his mental fortitude, though, nothing else. That is, how long he can accept outsider victims as inavoidable or somehow explain them as participants in the humanity's bigger war of survival.

But naturally this is all something that depends on his faithfulness to his original goal. I wouldn't really count on that because, like I said before, Eren actually exceedingly disappointedly totally forgot it for half of the show. I can't help but wonder how long such an indecisive airhead actually could manage to push forward, accepting the high price. If he at some point gives up, then it will be all for naught, all civilian deaths included (unless he had managed to win back the lost wall, or something else concrete before breaking). And of course if the story later revealed fighting the titans is no solution to anything at all, then he would face quite an utter humiliation and personal defeat, with his actions turning out to be nothing but petty revenge at high cost.

[DarthEnderX]

Like Armin said, if he's only concerned about losing things (allies, his own comfort), he won't achieve shit. If he's only concerned about slaying titans, he can do that in a grand fashion but also irreversibly lose something in the process.I guess the question is, which one makes him worse.

I realize nobody likes whiny Erin, but personally, I dislike the second one more. The whole "sacrifice-anything-to-achieve-my-vengeance" mindset really pisses me off.

[Buffalobiian]

Kraco, my gripe isn't to do with Eren's mental fortitude or how he weighs collateral damage. It's whether or not he even knows about collateral damage in the first place.

In this episode, Eren fought Annie. Annie left for an open battlefield to avoid losses. It's not as if Eren didn't give a shit about losses, but it's that he didn't even know about them in the first place.

He's not saying "I'll kill titans no matter what" or "these losses are justified by discovering her secret". He's parading with his killing mentality while being oblivious to the lives he directly or indirectly took. DE brought up the question about which of these being the worst. For me, it's definitely Eren holding his head high with his ideals thinking he avenged humanity and his family without knowing how they've suffered from his actions at the same time.

Disregarding whether Annie and Erwin made the right choices, they're at least responsible for them. Eren's lack of awareness doesn't allow him to take responsibility for his based on this episode - and that is my problem with him.

[Kraco]

In this episode, Eren fought Annie. Annie left for an open battlefield to avoid losses. It's not as if Eren didn't give a shit about losses, but it's that he didn't even know about them in the first place.

No, Annie headed for the open battlefield because it would prevent the human soldiers from attacking her (no high places for 3D maneuvers) and because she needs a bit of room for her trained and sophisticated martial arts moves. If she had any thoughts about avoiding extra kills, it was of secondary importance. She has been killing ordinary grunts so gleefully she doesn't really consider each and every human life sacred. Only her "friends" mattered.

I find it hard to believe Eren wouldn't realise, at least before and after. Hard to say when he's in a berserk mode, but probably not - since he's in a berserk mode and berserks aren't known for thinking too much when fighting. It's enough if he knows afterwards because he will always be in a position to decide whether to keep fighting in the future or not.

[MFauli]

I´d like to a contrarian point of view regarding Eren:
You guys are criticizing him, complaining about his lack of awareness or responsibility. About him being naive, whiny, stupid.

Let me say that I, too, want to criticize Eren, but for a whole different reason: His lack of resolve. The ONLY responsibility Eren has, is the one his dead mother. When a titan ate his mother, Eren swore to kill all titans. That´s his one and only reason for being where he is now, as part of the survey corps. Because of that, when Eren finally went all berserk against Annie, it was then that I nodded and said to myself "now he´s doing what he said he´d do at long last". In other words, Eren took the stance of a lonesome warrior, akin to Guts, but then became, well, really just lazy about it, made lots of friends, "enjoyed" the time and didn´t really persevere his original goal besides occasional hero speeches.
Eren lacks resolve and ruthlessness. He needs both to become stronger, and it´s probably also the very solution to gain full control over his titan body, in the way Annie had. Right now, his strenghts relies on his feelings, and that´s no basis to make further plans for whatever. Armin would tell Eren exactly that, if he´s as smart as he´s made look like.

[shinta|hikari]

I cannot really blame him for that though. People change, and being an avenger isn't really the most pleasant option one has. Having spent time with friends can make people (want to) forget the heavier and more painful things they carry.

[Buffalobiian]

I cannot really blame him for that though. People change, and being an avenger isn't really the most pleasant option one has. Having spent time with friends can make people (want to) forget the heavier and more painful things they carry.

It also leads them to believe that vengeance isn't all that they have left, which is as you say.. an induced change.

[DarthEnderX]

Annie left for an open battlefield to avoid losses.Is there any evidence of that she wasn't just fighting in a place where the Corp couldn't back Eren up in combat?


Let me say that I, too, want to criticize Eren, but for a whole different reason: His lack of resolve. The ONLY responsibility Eren has, is the one his dead mother. When a titan ate his mother, Eren swore to kill all titans. That´s his one and only reason for being where he is now, as part of the survey corps. Because of that, when Eren finally went all berserk against Annie, it was then that I nodded and said to myself "now he´s doing what he said he´d do at long last".Right, he's finally acting on all that stupid shit he's been saying since the start of the series...yay.


I cannot really blame him for that though. People change, and being an avenger isn't really the most pleasant option one has. Having spent time with friends can make people (want to) forget the heavier and more painful things they carry.Exactly! Why, only the shittiest kind of character imaginable would ignore all of that to pursue their petty vengeance.


......

[shinta|hikari]

That cute look she had before she headed for the open area.

[Penner]

lol

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[The1LittleMchale]

So I just started getting into this show does anyone know of a high quality batch anywhere? cause some of the episodes (3 for example) don't have working links anymore. as always your help is appreciated.

[Buffalobiian]

So I just started getting into this show does anyone know of a high quality batch anywhere? cause some of the episodes (3 for example) don't have working links anymore. as always your help is appreciated.

gg - Shinkegi no Kyojin S1 batch 720p (http://www.nyaa.se/?page=download&tid=479490)

[KrayZ33]

arn't the BDs comming out atm? and shouldn't he wait for them, since they fixxed animation issues and all that

[Buffalobiian]

Some BDs are out. I'm not sure when they'll be released entirely though.

[The1LittleMchale]

I'm ok with not waiting, thanks a ton Buffalo!

[shinta|hikari]

Don't call him that. Call him Lobiia.

[Buffalobiian]

This is NOT news regarding S2.


btw, WHEN is the soundtrack for this anime being released?


[Shin-S] Shingeki no Kyojin Original Soundtrack (FLAC) [Various].zip (http://www.nyaa.eu/?page=download&tid=447784)
[Shin-S] Shingeki no Kyojin Original Soundtrack [Various].zip (http://www.nyaa.eu/?page=download&tid=447785)



And here's the second part to that.

[Nipponsei] Shingeki no Kyojin Original Soundtrack II.zip (http://www.nyaa.se/?page=download&tid=484554)
[AOI] Attack on Titan Original Soundtrack II [flac+scans] (http://www.nyaa.se/?page=download&tid=483563)

This one doesn't contain as many iconic tracks as the first OST, but the piano pieces are still good. More laid back and moody.

[Penner]

Not sure if you guys have heard this yet, but i'll post it anyway because it needs to be heard.

This shit is right up there with the Fairy Tail theme "metal version".


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MVO-iK2aTK4

[MFauli]

guy looks super nice, and im jealous at how seemingly effortlessly he plays the guitar. awesome.

[DarthEnderX]

The best part is the Tony Stark shirt.

[MFauli]

not trying to shit on shingeki no kyojin, since i honestly love it, but:

do you guys think this anime would stand a chance against an animated version of the later parts of Gantz? I though about this yesterday, and for all the shock and violence and action and drama that SnK gets praised for, Gantz really 1up-s it in just about every area. Not posting spoilers, but yeah, maybe Gantz´ ending was a bit of a letdown, but still.

Man, what I´d give for a modern, high-quality animation anime of all of the Gantz-manga :>

[shinta|hikari]

SnK has Mikasa.

SnK wins.

[MFauli]

Gantz has a multitude of hotter girls that are even stronger in battle. :P

[shinta|hikari]

Mikasa isn't about the battle prowess or hotness.

Mikasa is a silent yandere with a six pack and a loli flashback.

SnK wins.

[DarthEnderX]

Mmm hmm.

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[Shadow Skill]

Hmm I cant for the life of me figure out why peope love this anime. I watched all 25 episode due to a friend asking me to watch it. She said it was one of the best out there...

Story is, Protagnist loses mother, decided to kill all Titans. Masters Maneuver gear fighting (Which aside from Mikasa and the other guy) are completely useless aside from running away (Which works 10 % of the time). Every fight with another Titan (Annie) he loses. Story is very slow at progressing. They repeat the same shit story line every episode about Titans as if the viewer doesn't have the capacity to rememeber the first 5 episodes that explained it all. Only once did Jeager show interest in returning home to see his basement. Other than that it was a forgotten story line by the creator/writer of this series.

The action was over a min after it started. Same story, same characters, different names. None of them acquired any new fighting skills in the 4 years that took place. None of them really thought outside of the box. It was like they were directed to be fodder for the whole series.

If there is a season 2 I wish the story and action is a lot better than this whole assumption conjecture going on during season 1, which was completely boring, as well as the main protagonist making the resolve to kill Titans every episode (Which was estabolished in episode one) wtf nonsense is this. I understand the need to fill time in on the anime but seriously, they could have had them do recon jobs or try to gather supplies from the Titan infected areas. None of that ever happened.

I sincerely hope there is not a season 2 as I find season 1 boring as hell and mind numbing nonsense. Worst anime 2013 in my opinion.

[shinta|hikari]

Why would you hope that there is no season 2 of an anime a lot of people like and are happy with, when you can just not watch it?

[Shadow Skill]

If this piece of shit anime is this bad. I can see how a season will 2 will go. Be the same as season one. No development at all in any area. Be season one all over again. If they're going to go 25 episodes in season one with no development of any kind and take the same pace, then a season 2 will pretty much be the same there will be no need to watch. I don't plan to watch season 2.

I don't want others to go through the mistake of watching season one again in what is suppose to be a second season. Does that clear it up for you?

[DarthEnderX]

It makes it clear that you're super dumb. Yes.

[shinta|hikari]

Indeed it did.

[Buffalobiian]

No need to go to personal insults guys.

Besides the reason that Shadow Skill mentioned, (not wanting an S2 to give an impression of being a good anime when he thinks it isn't), another reason for it could be to reallocate studio resources. Instead of having them make an S2 that he'll probably not like, it could be put into making a different show that he might like.

In the end, I found Titan to be a pretty fun watch. I didn't feel like it was amazing or the next best thing since *, but it was enjoyable. As mentioned before, the best thing by far for me is the soundtrack.


* - whatever the last best thing was.

[shinta|hikari]

The reason he mentioned is absurd. He wants to prevent (a likely smaller number of) people from hypothetically getting disappointed by preventing (a likely much larger number of) people from enjoying themselves and being happy, and he says it as if he is being selfless and doing it for others' benefit.

Okay, he is not super stupid. His reason is.

Actually, I did not understand what he said at all in that 2nd paragraph, and I just guessed based on the words and context clues, so I may have interpreted it incorrectly.

"I don't want others to go through the mistake of watching season one again in what is suppose to be a second season. Does that clear it up for you?"

No, it really isn't clear to me.

@Buff - I understand the reason you gave and accept it as valid and logical.

[Shadow Skill]

Ok Shinta, Season 2 will be exactly as season one. That is what I am saying, if you cannot understand with how sarcastically I spelled it out in my paragraph with zero error, then perhaps someone needs to retake an English course again.

I don't think many will be happy with a season 2.

I do agree the soundtrack was superb but the anime itself as a whole was atrocious and on the level of Legend of the Legendary heroes. Jumping around, no solid story lines. Same repetitive scenes. Different names, but same characters overwall who die over and over again.

Worst anime ever. I sincerely hope there will never be a season 2. This whole anime was 25 episodes of a novel being vocally read out loud.

[FelixZeroAlastor]

I do agree the soundtrack was superb but the anime itself as a whole was atrocious and on the level of Legend of the Legendary heroes. Jumping around, no solid story lines. Same repetitive scenes. Different names, but same characters overwall who die over and over again.

Worst anime ever. I sincerely hope there will never be a season 2. This whole anime was 25 episodes of a novel being vocally read out loud.

This was on no way on the level of Legend of the Legendary Heroes. While the anime did drag its feet during the wall invasion for no reason (happened pretty fast in the manga), the story progressed along quite smoothly after that point, as opposed to Legendary Heroes where it couldn't quite figure out where it was going and what it wanted to do. I don't even know how you see them repeating the same thing over and over again or your point about the characters.

The anime wasn't amazing but it isn't as bad as you make it out to be. If anything, it is mediocre to above average.

As Buff said, it was overall just fun to watch.

[NeoCybercoin]

Speaking of Titans. The OVA just came out. And it shows some damn interesting things.

Hatsuyuki- Shingeki no Kyojin OVA 1 (http://www.nyaa.se/?page=download&tid=502965)

[shinta|hikari]

That is what I am saying, if you cannot understand with how sarcastically I spelled it out in my paragraph with zero error, then perhaps someone needs to retake an English course again.

"I don't want others to go through the mistake of watching season one again in what is suppose to be a second season. Does that clear it up for you?"

Supposed*

LOL.

I got what you meant in the first paragraph, but your 2nd is confusing. Please fix your tenses first before telling people to relearn a language. I did a quick check and there are more than 10 grammar errors in your 1st post.

Do you mean you do not want others to watch season one like you did, because there is a second season that implies it is a great anime? This is what Buff thought you meant, which serves as proof that your statement was unclear.

But according to your last clarification, I guess you meant "I don't want people to watch a repeat of the 1st season in what is supposed to be the 2nd season." A few changes can make things much clearer.

[DarthEnderX]

I don't think many will be happy with a season 2.Says the guy who wasn't happy with season 1, even though most people seem to love it. Probably not the best person to be judging what other people are going to be happy with.


Worst anime ever.Alright, now you're just trolling.

[Shadow Skill]

My English is fine. It's you who cannot comprehend simple words. Aside from that, no it's not trolling. It is the worst anime ever. It's just mind boggling that people actually like it. It has zero substance and zero story and zero character development. The anime itself as a whole is a waste of 9 1/2 hours.

If you don't like my feedback on the anime, stop replying and asking me questions about why I hate it and scroll over. Simple as that. Obviously you dislike anything that doesn't agree with your set dogma in place on anime. That's the point of these forums are they not? To shed light on anime that is actually quite bad.

[shinta|hikari]

We actually presented proper arguments or asked for clarifications. Claiming you have zero error (really, this is something you should never do) then blaming me for not understanding and having a tantrum after having your errors pointed out is (pardon the ad hominem, this is just an observation really) quite childish.

Buff mentioned a good reason why a 2nd season is not desirable for some and I accepted it, because it actually made sense.

We aren't berating you because you dislike SnK. It is because your arguments are weak or hard to understand. You also love to exaggerate, which tends to make your argument much less believable or acceptable because it lies in the extremes. Calling SnK the worst anime ever is hardly believable, unless you watch very little anime.

After you clarified your point, I actually understood you, and while I do not agree, I cannot stop you from having and stating that opinion, just like how you cannot stop me from having and stating my opinion of your opinion. That is the point of these forums, discussion, not some messianic quest to enlighten us dumb watchers of what anime is "good" or "bad", since that relies heavily on taste.

[David75]

Speaking of Titans. The OVA just came out. And it shows some damn interesting things.

Hatsuyuki- Shingeki no Kyojin OVA 1 (http://www.nyaa.se/?page=download&tid=502965)

I have some very bad experiences with that fansubing name. Are the subs decent for that one?
Thanks

[DarthEnderX]

We actually presented proper arguments or asked for clarifications. Claiming you have zero error (really, this is something you should never do) then blaming me for not understanding and having a tantrum after having your errors pointed out is (pardon the ad hominem, this is just an observation really) quite childish.

Buff mentioned a good reason why a 2nd season is not desirable for some and I accepted it, because it actually made sense.

We aren't berating you because you dislike SnK. It is because your arguments are weak or hard to understand. You also love to exaggerate, which tends to make your argument much less believable or acceptable because it lies in the extremes. Calling SnK the worst anime ever is hardly believable, unless you watch very little anime.

After you clarified your point, I actually understood you, and while I do not agree, I cannot stop you from having and stating that opinion, just like how you cannot stop me from having and stating my opinion of your opinion. That is the point of these forums, discussion, not some messianic quest to enlighten us dumb watchers of what anime is "good" or "bad", since that relies heavily on taste.Look. He's entitled to his wrong opinion. And no real explanation is required beyond "I have terrible taste". So it's fine.

[NeoCybercoin]

I have no experience with that group but it was alright.

[KrayZ33]

hatsuyuki is fine, I'm watching their Magi S2 releases.

[Inazuma]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e7ZfsHoKTg4

Can anyone tell me what this is about ?

[MFauli]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e7ZfsHoKTg4

Can anyone tell me what this is about ?

It´s about all of us buying a Subaru.

[Buffalobiian]

A highly manoeuverable SUV apparently.

And if the anime is to be referenced, you've got to watch your gas. ;)

[Killa-Eyez]

You know, I think Subaru's would be helpful. Especially with the advanced titans. Those horsies can only go so fast.

[shinta|hikari]

A Subaru would never be caught by Titans. In fact, cars and the technology that comes with them would make the Titans look like crap.

[Buffalobiian]

Apparently:

Dec 29th: "Birth of Levi" - Erwin and Levi's rise to power

August 2015: S2

http://www.christiantoday.com/article/attack.on.titans.season.2.updates.release.dates.fi nally.revealed/39722.htm

[Carnage]

So it's adapted from a manga spin-off? Never heard of it...

[DarthEnderX]

http://www.christiantoday.com/article/attack.on.titans.season.2.updates.release.dates.fi nally.revealed/39722.htm[/url]So....do you get all of your anime news from Christian news sites?

[Buffalobiian]

I don't always open the Christian news but when I do, I flip to Anime.

[Kraco]

http://i.imgur.com/Bb1H4JV.jpg

[MasterOfMoogles]

On a slightly different note, did anybody watch OVAs 2 and 3?
3 was pretty good, but I thought 2 was amazing. If only for the minor changes they made to the OP.

[neflight86]

Hah. Its almost worth it for Mikasa's 6 pack alone. I would definitely watch these episodes as 3.5 (Ovas 3 then 2), and maybe Ova 1 as... It doesn't really fit anywhere so I'd put it at... the episode before they introduce the recon core/they leave the walls before the second collossal titan attack. A good marriage of humor, action and actual mystery progression; worth the time to watch.

[Munsu]

Well, just managed to watch the full first season within a day.

Overall really enjoyed it.

Though it could use a bit of better pacing, and the character development wasn't all that in particular as it regards our main characters (side characters seemed to have been developed better), but it was a good show to watch, and I definitely loved the action/violence.

Looking forward to the next season, and hope they keep up the high quality animation. It'll be tough to wait for the bluray releases, since those are the version I'll be watching.

[Munsu]

So, what do you guys think of this shit?


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wm3WBqihF-A

Attack on Titan: Junior High, just what I was hoping for... coming out next month.


While we're at it, they seem to be teasing the biggest announcement ever for this franchise in the coming New York Comic Con:
http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/daily-briefs/2015-09-15/kodansha-comics-teases-biggest-attack-on-titan-manga-announcement-for-nycc/.92982

I wonder what it'll be. Major Hollywood rights maybe?

[Buffalobiian]

Wait, we're not getting a real AoT sequel next month? :(

At least chibi Mikasa should be fun. Sasha too.

[Munsu]

I could've sworn that this was already mentioned in this forum, so I went to look for the discussion of it and noticed that there's been no mention on it.

Well, season 2 of this series is coming out in Spring 2017:

The staff of the Attack on Titan franchise revealed at the "Shingeki Matsuri" event on Sunday that the anime's second season will premiere in spring 2017. The announcement also reveals a new visual (below) and the second season's staff and cast.

http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/news/2016-07-03/attack-on-titan-anime-2nd-season-premieres-in-spring-2017/.103914

Can't wait.

[DarthEnderX]

season 2 of this series is coming out in Spring 2017Excellent.

[DarthEnderX]

26

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Nice. Introducing a new boss titan right off the bat. And he talks and everything!

From the intro, looks like we're probably getting a lot of Armored Titan this season as well.

[neflight86]

Only this show and HxH have ever given me chills like I got when the Beast Titan began speaking. I'm back in.

[MFauli]

Great first episode. Although I´m totally lost on the "12 hours ago" thing. So ... while Eren and co. celebrated their important victory over Annie-titan, the others actually found out that despite the "happy end" of season 1, mankind is already fucked, because 300 miles away the most inner wall was breached and titans are approaching? wtf

The hairy titan also confused me. From the way he told the poor chap that he´s aware of people´s knowledge about them being inside the titan´s nape, it sounded as if the hairy titan is definitely controlled by a human, too. But he´s so completely distanced from the mankind we know, being surprised by technology. Getting a feeling as if there´s "another mankind" that for whatever reasons has a grudge against the mankind we know and use their titan-"technology" to fight.

Weird!

[Buffalobiian]

1) Titans in the wall must be covered from sunlight

-so perhaps the wall wasn't built by some voluntary band of titans after all. They got themselves trapped and were used as walls. Read: they're not friendly. Come to think of it, we've never seen a nocturnal titan attack yet.

2) Beast titan:

-Doesn't know shit about the current humanity. It's as if he's been asleep for some time and just woke up. Or he's been camping somewhere happily eating stuff. He isn't even sure they were speaking the same language. He knows what swords are though. That all points to him coming from a different age.

3) The ED animation:

-So much there that seemingly talks about the history and origins of Titans. The segment depicting cannibalism was particularly interesting. I'm not sure what to make of it though.

4) Annie: She's still hot.

[neflight86]

Lets not forget that the zealous church of the walls apparently knows more than its sermons let on... knowledge they are willing to die to protect!

[DarthEnderX]

The commercial break information is, as usual, some of the most important.

The Wall Titans actually generate the walls, creating a substance similar to what the Female Titan created. Which is why her claws were able to make a hole in it.


because 300 miles away the most inner wall was breached and titans are approaching?Wall Rose is the middle wall, not the inner wall.

[MFauli]

Wall Rose is the middle wall, not the inner wall.

Mea culpa. But from what we´ve seen, the inner most part is so small that it´s impossible for mankind to survive inside. It´s pretty much just a delusional fake-protection for the king.

[Shadow Skill]

Still a major let down in the development department. Going to be another season of random characters repeating same crap for 26 episodes with a character being cornered and dying in order to advance the plot and possibly story since there is not much of a story here. You can't expect much from one of the worst anime ever. Maybe I'm just being spoiled from the other better action kill/be killed anime like Claymore.

If this second season continues like this, it's just going to be season 1 all over again with the main and side characters telling the viewer "The Titans eat us, we fight them with 3D maneuver gear that does not really work or make sense. We are going to die so we need to fight as best we can to 'SLOW' them down." -Yawn-

If these Titans are anything like Erin is it? How do we know they don't regenerate either? You can already see the ending if Annie and Erin can regenerate over and over. The creator most likely has some Deus Ex Machina planned for the Titan to either kill all the humans or Erin will end up as the Deus Ex Machina plot device. Shitty anime and anyone with a brain can already see the end game.

[DarthEnderX]

The fuck?

AoT is way better than Claymore.

[Buffalobiian]

The last few episodes of Claymore were meh, but overall I liked Claymore. The lore and characters were better. AoT definitely relies on shock factor a lot more.

[MFauli]

Kinda agree with Buff (although I want to make clear: only the final battle in the Claymore-anime sucked. Claire vs the lion guy was awesome). AoT is too choppy in terms of story telling. Here´s a bit. Now here´s another bit. And here´s the next bit. Always from shocking twist to shocking twist. It works as a weekly format and obviously keeps people curious. But it doesn´t flow at all. Claymore had a much better flow and is nicer to watch continuously.

Also, I cant shake off the feeling that AoT will get worse with time, because the author will keep up the shockign twists for shocking twists´ sake.

[DarthEnderX]

I never much cared for Claymore. To me, Claymore feels the way the first 7 episodes of AoT felt. But then episode 8 of AoT happens and it becomes a completely different kind of show that's awesome.

[neflight86]

I never much cared for Claymore. To me, Claymore feels the way the first 7 episodes of AoT felt. But then episode 8 of AoT happens and it becomes a completely different kind of show that's awesome.

How I see it is that AoT spent the first 7 episodes building an air of general hopelessness with some small relief in episodes 3-4 to prevent fatigue, and then cashed it in brilliantly in episode 8 (Erin titan reveal), effectively blowing the lid off of the scope of the story, but not in a ham-fisted way (to me). That nurturing of despair into hope is the single best element of AoT, in my opinion. The story beats are essentially "we have to fight the titans", followed by "the reality is we can't really fight the titans on even terms", and then "things are getting really bad because the titans are engaging us on their terms", until the climax of "this new development changes the rules a bit and gives us a chance against the titans". The characters persevere and succeed, but at great cost. I love the formula.

[Buffalobiian]

I needed to read your post before being reminded of what happened during episode 08. Suffice to say, that particular episode must not have had much impact on me at all.

Eren being a POS kinda does that.

[DarthEnderX]

I needed to read your post before being reminded of what happened during episode 08. Suffice to say, that particular episode must not have had much impact on me at all.I've been saying Ep. 8, but I guess I technically mean the end of Ep. 7.

For me, my reaction to this series was:

Episode 1-4: "Meh..."

Episode 5: "...huh."

Episode 7: "FUUUCK YEAH!"


Eren being a POS kinda does that.I didn't like Eren as a character at first either. But the fact is, after Ep. 5, he kind of stops being a character at all. He just becomes this living plot device, and everyone around him becomes the characters just using him to make the plot happen.

Is he still a PoS? Fuck if I know. Cause he doesn't really weigh in on anything anymore. He just does what people tell him to do.

[MFauli]

All I want from season 2 is some answers. Some real answers. Right now, we´ve got even more questions.

[DarthEnderX]

Edit: Removed spoiler

[lelouch]

Edited out spoiler.(Buff).

Thanks for the spoiler. Didn't realize this was a manga/anime thread.

[DarthEnderX]

Thanks for the spoiler. Didn't realize this was a manga/anime thread.I mean, it's kinda the entire point of the series so far. It's like saying Naruto becomes Hokage. Or Gon finds his dad. Or Luffy reaches the end of the Grand Line(future spoiler!). That thing they spend the entire series trying to do? They do it at some point.

But I'll edit it out.

[Shadow Skill]

All I want from season 2 is some answers. Some real answers. Right now, we´ve got even more questions.


This, I have been saying this and asking for this for 4 years. I am not going to read the Manga for answers. After 26 episodes, you would think we could know something of the Titans by now. So far every episode is "I will sacrifice my life and slow down the Titan. You/You all must live to sacrifice your lives for another 24 episodes so this story can go on." I really hoped Season 2 would have changed that way of story telling. They keep repeating the same stuff. Titans eat us and are 10 stories tall. I am starting to think the creator himself does not know how to tell the viewer how the giants came to be. Was it genetic altering gone wrong? Some sort of mutation from a biological war? We the viewer still don't know anything.

I will admit that this new talking Titan is new. As for if it has any merit for the season will be seen in hopefully the next 4-5 episodes and not forgotten about until the 20th episode. Wait and see. I know some are fan of this show but I honestly don't see one defining point of this entire series.

[DarthEnderX]

I know some are fan of this show but I honestly don't see one defining point of this entire series.Then why the fuck are you still watching it? Jesus Christ...

[shinta|hikari]

Because he doesn't actually dislike it that much and just doesn't like it as most people.

Or he is a hipster.

[Shadow Skill]

Then why the fuck are you still watching it? Jesus Christ...

I am a completionist. I started this shit storm of an anime and I have to finish it even though its fucking terrible. The fact you feel the need to not only validate the fact you watch this shit show by actually asking why someone is watching it, must mean you either know it's shitty and are forcing yourself to watch it as well. I honestly can't see why you would care one way or another as to why someone finishes watching a show they started. Kind of an ironic moot point eh?

If you need to validate your existence by asking someone else for answers and questioning someone else questions without offering an answer of your own, then I suspect you are either a troll or a person who wants everyone to love a shit show that you think is the best thing since grilled cheese. We both know it's shit from your replies.

AGAIN, there is not one defining point of this entire series. Even the live action movie is total crap. I haven't even watched that but from what I hear it no better than the anime or the manga and total shit. So are you going to keep this façade going of Attack of Titan being a mediocre anime even though it's not even in the must watch list? Are you?

[Buffalobiian]

Episode 27

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I'm strongly suspecting that practising cannibalism turns you into a titan. One of the dumb ones, but a titan nonetheless.

[shinta|hikari]

I am a completionist. I started this shit storm of an anime and I have to finish it even though its fucking terrible. The fact you feel the need to not only validate the fact you watch this shit show by actually asking why someone is watching it, must mean you either know it's shitty and are forcing yourself to watch it as well. I honestly can't see why you would care one way or another as to why someone finishes watching a show they started. Kind of an ironic moot point eh?

If you need to validate your existence by asking someone else for answers and questioning someone else questions without offering an answer of your own, then I suspect you are either a troll or a person who wants everyone to love a shit show that you think is the best thing since grilled cheese. We both know it's shit from your replies.

AGAIN, there is not one defining point of this entire series. Even the live action movie is total crap. I haven't even watched that but from what I hear it no better than the anime or the manga and total shit. So are you going to keep this façade going of Attack of Titan being a mediocre anime even though it's not even in the must watch list? Are you?

Hipster detected.

[neflight86]

It may be one of those "walking dead" style 'We're all infected, but something has to happen to trigger our transformation into a titan' things. Until I learn the surely disappointing explanation for where the titans come from, this is riveting!

I'm glad Sasha's folk were able to survive the attack, due to their horses.

Pastor Nick is a pro tease.

[shinta|hikari]

The titans existed before humans. They eventually vanished from the earth due to a terrible meteor crash that lifted dust into the atmosphere where they existed, cutting off their supply of sunlight. The humans then evolved from monkeys while the titans went into hibernation. Hundreds of years later, they slowly revived and threatened the human race as it is now.

The question is, if something, the titans in this case, existed before humanity and human history, do we even care where they come from? Can't they just be there?

[NeoCybercoin]

People die and are reincarnated into Titans turning it into one viscous cycle.

[DarthEnderX]

That was the tiniest titan ever! I just thought it was a naked guy at first!

[MFauli]

Ignoring how fucking dumb Sasha was:

The biggest mystery atm imo is the question of WHY the priest is keeping quiet, even when threatened with death, even when the existence of mankind is at stakes.

Normally, one could dismiss him as a religious lunatic, BUT he clearly has greater knowledge, so it gives off the feeling that he´s not acting from lunacy, but from knowledge. So .. what knowledge could make you keep quiet about stuff that might help surviving against the threat of the titans?!

Either there´s a higher concept that´s yet completely unbeknownst to us (like: the mankind we´ve seen so far is just a gruesome experiment. The real mankind is outside, watching, Truman Show-like) OR the priest knows that it´s actually all hopeless and that they WILL die one day, so he refuses to tell them anything, because then everybody would just break out in madness, chaos, suicide.

[KrayZ33]

Sasha was so awesome.

Good way to start the 2nd season, they still manage to freak me out with their weird titans and the desperate situation for humanty overall (and the victims that are about to be eaten). On top of that, the whole mystery about the titans themselves and that we can be pretty certain now, that a new faction joined the fray - Beast titans?

Pretty sure they are different from the armored/super giant/Annie titan. And unless Annie was some kind of secret agent (I can't remember if anything like that was mentioned in S1) that couldn't go back with the intel she was supposed to gather, they are on a different team.

This does also raise the question: Why didn't they attack earlier.... that is, if attacking humanity is even their goal.

[NeoCybercoin]

Maybe free the titans stuck in those walls?

[Buffalobiian]

Maybe free the titans stuck in those walls?

That's a pretty ambiguous point at the moment.

On one hand it makes sense for the titans to voluntarily form the walls since they need to actively morph their skin into stone.

On the other hand, the priest's fear of them suggests they could turn at any time (on exposure to sunlight), suggesting they're not exactly friendly titans.

[KrayZ33]

The ending hints at some great exodus (after being eaten and chased away by titans) or something where titans, willingly formed an alliance with humans in the presence of some holy lady titan(?).

Maybe that Lady was "betrayed"/killed by the church/humans and he fears the titans want revenge? That'd be cool.

[MFauli]

If we´re entering "holy" territory: I´m not entirely sure, but weren´t the first human beings giants, according to the bible? I believe to remember something like that.

Edit: There it is: https://answersingenesis.org/bible-characters/giants-in-the-old-testament/

Sounds like something a japanese mangaka would use ;>

[Buffalobiian]

Ep 28

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No idea about the biblical reference, but Christie would be from that holy female we mentioned before.

[DarthEnderX]

Ymir and that blond guy are being suspicious as shit. They're either titans or wall fanatics.

And we know the wall isn't breached, so obviously the Beast Titan has a way of transforming people into titans. He climbed over the wall, transformed at least Connie's village into titans, and...stole some maneuver gear? I guess he's some kind of scout or something. Also seems to be able to make Titan's move at night. He seems to have all sorts of weird powers.

[MFauli]

Yeah, I´m honestly a bit annoyed that we got another bunch of questions, but not a single answer so far :/ It´s exciting and all, but really ... give us answers. Throw us a bone!

And I don´t like that suddenly, Ymir and Christa are part of some conspiracy. Feels like an ass pull.

What I´m wondering: WHAT is the titans´ end goal? Say they break the most inner wall. Which isn´t that far off. What then? Mankind is dead. Yay ...? That´s why I keep thinking that "this" mankind is only small part of something bigger that´s out in the world. Maybe they´re nothing but a cruel kind of Truman Show. I don´t know. But it makes no sense. Reminds of when Cell wanted to kill everybody on earth. So ... what then? Stare into the abyss of space forever?

[DarthEnderX]

And I don´t like that suddenly, Ymir and Christa are part of some conspiracy. Feels like an ass pull.
Eh, soon as they did it with Annie, the entire series just became like Battlestar Galactica. Suddenly, anyone might be a Cylon.

Once you know the titans have infiltrated the human's ranks, it shouldn't be a surprise that anyone might be one.

[neflight86]

I hope we don't get answers for as long as possible. It makes the show more fun to think about when my speculation can run wild!

[DarthEnderX]

Okay, so, season 2 of AoT is premiering on Toonami NEXT WEEK.

Which means they're doing the Space Dandy thing where they're actually doing the English VAs at the same time as the Japanese ones. Because they're only 2 weeks apart.

[MFauli]

I hope we don't get answers for as long as possible. It makes the show more fun to think about when my speculation can run wild!

I don´t want to wait another 2-3 years before the series continues WITHOUT any answers :/

[neflight86]

My hope is that 12 ep seasons mean more frequent seasons.

[KrayZ33]

Ymir and that blond guy are being suspicious as shit. They're either titans or wall fanatics.

And we know the wall isn't breached, so obviously the Beast Titan has a way of transforming people into titans. He climbed over the wall, transformed at least Connie's village into titans, and...stole some maneuver gear? I guess he's some kind of scout or something. Also seems to be able to make Titan's move at night. He seems to have all sorts of weird powers.

Reiner has been suspicious to me ever since the female titan incident when Annie-titan grabbed him and "squeezed" him to "death". Bertholdt has been awkward ever since the beginning but I actually thought that it's his character trait. But the looks he gives Reiner recently tell a different story. Well, actually, he can be socially awkward AND plot something with Reiner.

[MFauli]

Huh? I thought we established that Rainer was the steel titan and Berthold was the giant titan? I remember it from like our discussion of ep 2 or 3, lol.

Also @neflight: Every season is 12 episodes ?

[KrayZ33]

That has never been established, nor has there been any reason to think that this is the only possibility.
Things start to hint more into that direction just now. Before that, it was vague as fuck, there weren't giving it away, honestly.

[MFauli]

Weird. I watched the entire anime so far under the assumption that Annie, Rainer and Berthold were those 3 special titans. And I definitely never read the manga, in case someone wants to cry "spoilers!". I´d need to rewatch season 1, but wasn´t it STRONGLY hinted at? Like, Berthold and Rainer always being together, and Rainer reacting suspiciously when the group talked about Annie? I´m pretty sure about that ... hm ...

[KrayZ33]

Well, it's because of the discussion we had about them, that doesn't mean we were clearly in the right there. Because even though a lot of things we discussed turned out to be right, doesn't mean all of them were correct.
And the first time this was mentioned was somewhere around episode 15, basically when the female titan arrived.

Just like Ymir and Christa are probably titans or from a different faction too. (See opening/ending of Season 1). And Ymir is a Titan name, so..yeah.

[shinta|hikari]

Krayz is basically saying it isn't conclusive, which is true.

Mfauli is basically saying it is obvious, which he says about everything until his predictions turn out wrong.

In this specific case, yes, it is indeed very obvious, but nothing conclusive. It could all be a red herring, which it obviously isn't.

[MFauli]

When have my predictions ever been wrong?!!! ;D ;D ;D

[KrayZ33]

Man, now that I've rewatched some parts from the female titan encounter, this show makes me really sad...poor Annie. Crying when she couldn't escape with Eren and all that.

That being said, she mentioned how she couldn't become a "warrior" when they found out about her Titan-form. Didn't Reiner/Rainer use the same term once during a discussion? The word itself sounds so "tribal."

[DarthEnderX]

Weird. I watched the entire anime so far under the assumption that Annie, Rainer and Berthold were those 3 special titans. And I definitely never read the manga, in case someone wants to cry "spoilers!". I´d need to rewatch season 1, but wasn´t it STRONGLY hinted at? Like, Berthold and Rainer always being together, and Rainer reacting suspiciously when the group talked about Annie? I´m pretty sure about that ... hm ...I don't remember any of this.

I suppose if there were scenes of the three of them hanging out earlier in the series(I don't remember if there are), then after the reveal that Annie is one, one might go back an assume they all are.

But I don't remember anyone predicting that any of the human characters were titans until well after Erin's first transformation, and that's not till episode 7.

[kmkze04]

There was the scene that Rainer and Bertholdt took Eren up on the hill during training when Eren couldn't stay up on the 3D testing. That was already suspicious as all hell including their physical resemblances to the Armor and Colossus titans. The one I'm not sure who it would be is the Beast titan, actually aside from the Annie faction and the wall smashing faction, I'm pretty sure we'll find out most of the other titans are as unique as anyone else in their thoughts. Annie probably wanted Eren to make an ally. She seemed to have an appreciation for him ever since he learned her takedown move back in training.

I'm also suspecting that Crista doesn't know jack. Ymir maybe. But Crista may be some other kind of key, maybe someone unconsciously part of the plan, and if it's the wall priests probably has something to do with being able to make or repair the walls.

Last thought before I shut up was to the point about Beast having ability to create and control Titans. It was already hinted at back with Annie at the forest trap that she could call Titans and cause them to enter some kind of mode where they become Abnormals. Which makes it not at all out of the question that any of the titans could actually speak (Eren is a sort of berserker Titan so I wouldn't expect him to) and lead. How deep that ability goes to be able to control them like Beast did is probably more to the individual, maybe even to the point of being able to have your own sort of titan brood that obey like children.

[DarthEnderX]

Which makes it not at all out of the question that any of the titans could actually speak (Eren is a sort of berserker Titan so I wouldn't expect him to) and lead.Or he simply doesn't know how yet, since he's brand new.

He also can't do the crystal skin thing, but everyone seems to think he should be able to.

[MFauli]

My guess is that certain titans are created with actual inner organs. Hence why those titans can run around at night now: They have a proper digestive system and a consuming the people they ate in all the villages they met, thus converting them into energy, no longer needing sunlight. It´s why the titan in conny´s village could speak, too.

[KrayZ33]

The titan @ Connie's village actually hints at the creation of titans, basically, every titan was once a human. Or at least some of them. That titan was probably Connie's mother or sister once

[DarthEnderX]

The titan @ Connie's village actually hints at the creation of titans, basically, every titan was once a human. Or at least some of them. That titan was probably Connie's mother or sister onceThis was definitely my takeaway.

[lelouch]

Leaving this thread. Some people here are 100% confirmed manga prophets.

[kmkze04]

Or he simply doesn't know how yet, since he's brand new.

He also can't do the crystal skin thing, but everyone seems to think he should be able to.

Well it's a viable assumption because the wall titans apparently produce the same crystal as Annie so could definitely see how it seems all Titans, or at least all human controlled Titans, are capable of using that ability.

Also went back and rewatched some of it. Reiner and Annie always seemed to be on the same page and he's always got his eye on her during the Trost and training sections. They also made comments about the Eren Titan being useful as an ally when it first appeared by the Trost HQ. If those are intentional indicators, pretty safe to say they are either in league together, or from different factions but Reiner almost definitely knew Annie was capable of transforming...

[MFauli]

Leaving this thread. Some people here are 100% confirmed manga prophets.

Just to make it once more clear, in case this is about my posting: I never read the AoT manga. I dislike reading manga in general, the only manga I follow are Detective Conan, Berserk and HXH (yeah, fml). When I write that I was convinced that it was obvious that Rainer and Bertrham were the other special titans, that comes from me remembering some discussion inside this very thread.

I have no manga knowledge, so whatever I write cannot be a spoiler.

[shinta|hikari]

He isn't talking about you.

[DarthEnderX]

I assume he's talking about me, even though I don't read the manga, and that one thing I posted I only knew because it was announced across the ENTIRE internet in a "Guts is finally off the goddamn boat!" way.

[shinta|hikari]

What boat.

[DarthEnderX]

What boat.I'll PM ya. I don't want to start a Berserk discussion here.

[MFauli]

lol

additional letters because you cannot make 3 letter postings

[MFauli]

episode 16 is out
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First of all: I call bullshit. Titan-transformation out of nowhere. Ok. So truly anybody could be a titan now. Makes everything kinda shitty :/

Also, I really don´t know what to think of Rainer anymore. I was 100% convinced that he was the Armored Titan from episode 2/3. Now he looked like he really didn´t have any Titan-abilities. ALTHOUGH carrying that titan must have been at least close to superhuman strength. Hm ...

I said it before, I´ll say it again: I want some answers. And I want them a couple of episodes before the finale, so that something can come from those answers.

[DarthEnderX]

I'm not sure what you mean by "out of nowhere". She clearly already knew she was a titan. She and Christa seem to be from...somewhere else. That has a completely different language. Most importantly, the titan Ymir turns into looks exactly like the one in Rainer's flashback. She's not very cool looking though...

I did think it was funny that during that scene, they were talking about herring. Like referencing "red herring". Maybe Rainer's normal after all.


I don't like these new tiny titans. Being able to get away through small spaces was one of the few advantages people had. These smaller ones that can just go in through doors seem like dicks.

[MFauli]

Come on, you know what I mean with "out of nowhere". Basically, the series has put itself in a situation where EVERY character could suddenly reveal a special ability/past. That´s not good story telling.

[DarthEnderX]

I guess. But like I said last week with my BSG reference, that's been the case since the instant they revealed Annie was the female titan, it's not really a new development.

[KrayZ33]

Predictable characters would be even worse though. I don't have any problems with this.
After all, Annie Titan arc was the best arc in the series.

[MFauli]

A group of humans that have been shown as human for years staying human is not what I´d book under "predictable". A story can be unpredictable without pulling stuff out of its own ass.

[KrayZ33]

A group of humans that have been shown as human for years staying human is not what I´d book under "predictable". A story can be unpredictable without pulling stuff out of its own ass.

I don't think so... I don't even see this as an ass pull.
Most of all, I don't understand why you'd consider it so. After all, you say Bertholdt and Reiner are Titans too. Their story is "normal" too and they came from some random ass hometown just like everyone else. That's what they say at least.

The very fact that Eren was able to transform into a Titan made it a possibility. So, shall we complain about that then? He was shown living as a human for years too.

It's not even like people don't suspect titans among them, the scouts took away their gear for a reason, remember?

[MFauli]

Don´t be so disingenuous. Reiner and Bertholt were suspected to be titans from episode 2/3 on. Eren was eaten by titan and got a chemical injection from his scientist dad.

Sure, we COULD assume that every character has some special background ... but that´s what makes it bad story-telling imo.

[KrayZ33]

Reiner and Bertholdt were never suspected to be titans in episode 2 or 3... thats complete BS.

And what's bad story telling about there being a possibility that some characters have a special background story? I don't get it.

Is Bourne identity a bad story because people could be double agents or agents in the first place?

It's just part of the mystery that involves the titans and the "titan-walkers". It was relatively clear that Annie didn't work alone and it became even clearer now, with the appearance of the beast titan that there is more than just a mindless horde of titans that want to eat humanity.

[MFauli]

As soon as both Rainer and the armored titan had been shown, people were speculating about it being him.




And what's bad story telling about there being a possibility that some characters have a special background story? I don't get it.

When "some" turns into "almost everybody", then it becomes bad.

[KrayZ33]

Maybe on some other forum or something, but certaintly not here, because there isn't even a scene that would even suggest that.

And how is it "everybody"?
I don't expect Connie to turn out a titanshifter, nor did I expect the random Scouts.
Do I think Sasha is one? No
Do I suspect some of the main characters? Yeah, I do.

Rainer has so much screentime, he has probably more minutes than Mikasa right now, to the point where people started to mention it when he didn't appear for 2 episodes.

Ymir and Christa weren't exactly random noise in the background. Something was bound to happen with these two, at least Ymir was already a "get's eaten soon" candidate for me.

On top of that, we have seen 3 Titanshifters right now. The beast Titan is most likely one too and so are the Colossal titan and Armored Titan. Considering that Eren's father injected something into Eren and Eren is the only Titanshifter out of the "main-crew" we can expect something like a virus, or gene modification etc.
Now after what happened in Connie's town, we can be even more sure that Titans might've been humans once. That means, even if only 1 out of 1000 "injections" (or whatever that beast titan did) becomes a Shifter, we might see a few more comming up.


And then there is Annie's training scene with her father, where he sent her off and said to her that it's okay to "hate the world and make everyone your enemy". Annie turned out to be a titan on a mission inside the walls. Guess her father knew about her condition? Did he send her? Did someone else send her?
So what if that guy who sent Annie, send another 20 or so to spy and do stuff.

Well, I don't know, I think it's part of the story and part of the build up we've been given so far.

edit: talking about Ymir, didn't that talking titan (the one in season 1) call a human "Ymir's People"?

[DarthEnderX]

Well, we are kind of assuming that Annie/Rainer, etc. were from normal villages inside the walls...but that doesn't have to be the case.

We've been TOLD that there's no humans outside the walls, but there's no reason at this point to assume that's the truth. Their simple human villages could be outside the walls.

Keep in mind that all these recruits joined after they lost the outer wall. Annie, Rainer, Ymir, etc. all could have come from outside when the wall fell, and then simply signed up for the Corps. It's not like they have background checks. If an entire city is wiped out one of the refugees from that city tells you they're from there, how do know they aren't? Especially if you don't know human titans are a thing, why would you even think to check?


Reiner and Bertholdt were never suspected to be titans in episode 2 or 3... thats complete BS.Seriously. I don't remember anyone even suggesting the possibility of human titans until after Erin changed. If people were really suggesting that they were titans in episode 2, those people were manga readers.

[Kraco]

We know so little of the real background that even the ED seems enlightening. Considering this state of ignorance, it would make perfect sense even if there were 100 titanshifters among the city people. It seems strange to call it poor story writing before we know the story. The fact the walls are built of titans and that the priests seems to know a whole lot but can't tell anything suggest the current populace (including the main characters) doesn't know shit about their own circumstances or history, they only assume a whole lot.

The herring can alone is quite interesting as obviously canned food is quite modern, yet the language was totally alien. Was it brought from outside of the walls, meaning there's another human civilization out there, or perhaps it's so old it was left by the wall builders? Perhaps there are other cities elsewhere, and those cities are actually ruled by titanshifters. For some reason this one city rejected titans (maybe they require totally horrendous sacrifices like cannibalism), apart from making the walls, and does hold some titan related key for who knows what effect. It would explain why the priest doesn't talk: Because this way of living isn't actually the only one and this city falling wouldn't mean the whole humanity going extinct. It's one thing to fight to the death thinking you are defending the whole species compared to fighting to the death only to defend the current rulers who decided how everybody should live.


episode 16 is out

What episode 16?

[Buffalobiian]

I think the canned foods came from outside the wall and were left behind by wall-builders.

[Kraco]

Episode 30



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So much for Ymir. She wasn't especially formidable as far as titans go. Her background story might be more interesting, though. Was she from somewhere else where the relationship with titans isn't the same, but she was shunned there? That would explain why she said she and Christa are the same. On the other hand she might be from this same city if we assume the rulers know everything, including the foreign letters/language. Although in that case it would be strange they would have left Ymir at large.

Christa should know everything with a name like that... But apparently she knows nothing. She could instead be directly tied to the history of the titans, through a bloodline, perhaps.

[MFauli]

Sucks that Ymir is dead. Would have been cool to have two "good" titans on the team.

I kinda hate the choreography of fights such as Ymir´s. There weren't THAT many titans around. If had had been more observant, calmer, she could have taken all of them out without getting herself in danger. But this is an over-dramatic anime, so of course she simply jumps inmidst the titan group and rages. Oh well.

Congrats, Rainer, for getting that upskirt-view.

[Buffalobiian]

I thought Ymir was going to run with the group in her hair. Stopping post-fall was the worst decision.

They just really wanted her to die.

[DarthEnderX]

So much for Ymir. She wasn't especially formidable as far as titans go.She killed, like, a dozen other titans. That seems pretty formidable.

That said, yeah, her "special" power doesn't seem that interesting. It's just kinda monkey-like movement.

[neflight86]

The way she struggled to say "grab on" suggests that, like Erin Titan, people in Titan form only freely act to achieve the specific goal they envisioned when transforming. Her transformation might have been "kill Titans and protect tower" when she transformed, making that the only thought she could elegantly process. It wasn't until mini blonde told her to bring down the tower that she began to improvise, and if Erin is any indication, it is hard enough to control your Titan form without processing external instructions after transforming. Those are good enough speculations for me to forgive Ymir's lack of tactics or running away.

[Kraco]

I kinda hate the choreography of fights such as Ymir´s. There weren't THAT many titans around. If had had been more observant, calmer, she could have taken all of them out without getting herself in danger. But this is an over-dramatic anime, so of course she simply jumps inmidst the titan group and rages. Oh well.

Ymir wasn't the attacking titans' primary goal. The tower was about to collapse. Ymir needed to attack as fast as she could and as recklessly as she could to draw the attention to herself and away from the tower.

[NeoCybercoin]

Next episode...Warrior. Brief glimpe of the Giant Titan transformation. At least I think that was him. Reiner and Bertold are there too. They keept on calling each other warriors in their previous lives. Guess they really are titans if it is the giant Titan.

[MFauli]

Well, ASSUMING Reiner and Bertholt are the armored and giant titan, I´m curious to hear their justification. Especialy when they seemingly do care about their team mates.

[NeoCybercoin]

Being under deep cover can do that to you.

[KrayZ33]

Wait, Ymir is dead? She's a Titan, Eren survived worse due to his titan-regeneration?

I didn't see that scene as them showing she's dead, but actually that she survived.
I mean, you don't smile when you are dead?

Wasn't that scene supposed to show the exact opposite?
Seemingly dead body returns to life by opening her eyes and showing signs of emotion?

edit: she's not featured in the preview for the next episode though.

[DarthEnderX]

Erin survived his injuries by turning INTO a titan, which regenerated his own body. Ymir seems to have sustained those injuries to her body WHILE a titan, so unless she turns into a titan again, they wouldn't heal.

That would seem to be why attacking the neck is how you kill a titan. The fur titan even commented that "They know we live in the nape." So obviously every titan has a little human body in it's neck, and if you hit that body, you do real lasting harm.


I mean, you don't smile when you are dead?People do that all the time in anime.

[neflight86]

If I recall, during Erin's trial, Levi kicked a tooth out of his mouth, and in the following scene they confirmed it had grown back, sans transformation. Odd, unless Erin's titan-ification is somehow unique in the way it functions.

[Kraco]

She smiled because everybody's waifu Christa told her real name, at least symbolically meaning she will accept her real identity and not try to hide anymore.

[MFauli]

There´s simply a limit to what a titan-human can regenerate imo. A tooth? No problem. An arm and a leg? Tough luck. And the ending with Ymir smiling after hearing Christa´s real name definitely was one of those "now I can happily die"-scenes.

[KrayZ33]

Erin survived his injuries by turning INTO a titan, which regenerated his own body. Ymir seems to have sustained those injuries to her body WHILE a titan, so unless she turns into a titan again, they wouldn't heal.

That would seem to be why attacking the neck is how you kill a titan. The fur titan even commented that "They know we live in the nape." So obviously every titan has a little human body in it's neck, and if you hit that body, you do real lasting harm.





Not really, there is no such thing as "lasting harm". It was shown that limbs and other parts of the body grow back and heal rather quickly.
On top of that, Christa wasn't even "sad" after she opened her eyes and they stopped her bleeding by tying the arm+leg to prevent blood flow.

Nah man... her titan form was already pathetic, she could at least show remotely the same resilience as Eren. This sucks.

[Buffalobiian]

Episode 31

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LOL.

So just like that.. "Sup, I'm the Armoured Titan. He's the Colossal Titan. We're here to kill you all. Wanna join?"

I rewinded that twice to make sure HS didn't accidentally slip that in.

[KrayZ33]

Haha, that was indeed funny.

The transformation scenes were flipping awesome.
I can't help but always feel sad for Bertholdt somewhat. He's like a "gentle giant" in both form and essence and he seems weird and a little dense... as if he's "going along" just because Reiner is his best friend and he never really wanted to leave their "hometown".

[MFauli]

These episodes feel so short :( Doesnt help that they repeat so much stuff at the beginning of each episode. This season will end with so little revealed ;(

Anyway, yeah, super lol at the casual revelation of Rainer and Berthold. "Yo, btw!"

Kinda hard to believe that Mikasa failed to sliced away 2 human-shaped targets, but it´s for the drama, yeah.

I hope this season AT LEAST reveals WHY titans are trying to wipe out mankind. Like, what do those few humans inside the walls matter?

[Kraco]

I didn't remember how hopelessly stupid Eren is because he has had so little screen time yet this season.

[KrayZ33]

I actually took Eren's stupidity as acting.

[DarthEnderX]

LOL.

So just like that.. "Sup, I'm the Armoured Titan. He's the Colossal Titan. We're here to kill you all. Wanna join?"

I rewinded that twice to make sure HS didn't accidentally slip that in.I KNOW RIGHT! I did the exact same thing!

Rainer you are magnificent.

I couldn't understand why Erin was so calm hearing that at first, but then the flashback explained that nicely.

[Kraco]

I couldn't understand why Erin was so calm hearing that at first, but then the flashback explained that nicely.

It explained maybe 20% of it. The rest was up to Eren being such a doofus.

[KrayZ33]

I don't understand what you mean or what you are getting at.

[Buffalobiian]

It's partially acting, partially disbelief and partially denial. Eren really hopes that Reiner isn't a villain. It's not that he didn't "get" what Reiner was saying.

[Kraco]

It seemed to me he only accepted those two could be enemies when he was being squeezed and taken down from the wall. Even then he still had to recall one flashback first. Before that Mikasa had already attacked once, as stated before for plot convenience's sake unsuccessfully, yet Eren still was hesitating. So, yeah, most of his behavior wasn't acting when they were still conversing.

Considering Mikasa's attack, it's pretty funny how a few eps ago the potato girl was hacking the tiny titan's neck with the axe for a good long while without getting through, yet the swords easily cut the neck with a single hit most of the time. But now Mikasa could only scratch a human form's neck with the super sword. I guess the makers of this anime haven't actually watched this show. I don't read the manga, so I don't know if the mangaka doesn't read his own manga.

[neflight86]

The whole scene was very surreal in a good way for me. One thing, though. If that guy is the collosall Titan, how was he knocked off the wall at it's second appearance to be saved by Sasha?