Attack on Titan: Shingeki no Kyojin

[Buffalobiian]

The whole scene was very surreal in a good way for me. One thing, though. If that guy is the collosall Titan, how was he knocked off the wall at it's second appearance to be saved by Sasha?

Link/Timestamp?

[neflight86]

It happened at the end of the 4th episode in season 1. Right before Erin landed in front of it on the wall and said "it's been awhile".

[KrayZ33]

That was a no-name... or actually, he had a name, Connie called him Samuel in that episode.



Considering Mikasa's attack, it's pretty funny how a few eps ago the potato girl was hacking the tiny titan's neck with the axe for a good long while without getting through, yet the swords easily cut the neck with a single hit most of the time. But now Mikasa could only scratch a human form's neck with the super sword. I guess the makers of this anime haven't actually watched this show. I don't read the manga, so I don't know if the mangaka doesn't read his own manga.

what?
when did any of that happen.
I saw her slicing through reiner's bone and tissue... and I'm seeing them destroy a sword every two titans or so because they can barely reach the vital point, which is nothing but flesh and they need all the momentum and strength they have to even get the kill.

she certainly didn't just "scratch" them there.

[Kraco]

It's only a scratch if it didn't kill them. If it can cut easily (even if it breaks in the process) something that a big axe can't get through no matter what, then it should have beheaded a human easily enough.

[KrayZ33]

"This is only a fleshwound" - Kraco the Black Knight.

I have yet to understand why you think it couldn't cut or behead them, but... okay.
I must have missed the part where the sword bounced back when it hit Bertholdt.

On top of that, a axe behaves completely different from a sword.
No reason to compare the two. And bones are still different from flesh.

If you want to nitpick, why don't you nitpick on the fact that Reiner regrew his hand when he pushed away Mikasa? That would at least be worth some lulz.

[kmkze04]

Felt like a total asspull to me to just blurt it out like that. Even with the explanation after, which they've been sort of annoying with these time jumps all over the place. That's gotten old super fast. I mean I don't want only a linear story by any means, but it's just being flat out overused now.

Beyond that, I agree a bit with Kray that Mikasa charging in like that when the other two weren't even really ready or dodging the attacks should have been able to behead them instantly unless it was just poorly animated. I'm sure her reaction to not delivering a killing blow immediately would've been more apparent than just telling Eren to run. However, if they did make at least a dodge to the deathblows, the Titan ability would easily explain their added resilience.

And even barring that the guy falling off the wall was indeed a no-name, we already know Titans don't transform on wounds alone. Meaning that one trained on their condition could be injured and still not transform. Like Reiner and Bertholdt, they didn't transform immediately after the cuts, but when they were ready.

Asspull and bad flashback storytelling aside, I am curious to see Eren vs them because hell, we already know they are far more experienced with their Titan abilities on top of that he is outnumbered, outarmored, and outsized. That's already a setup for a loss where Mikasa will have to chase them down.

Which some of the flashbacks reminded me of something. For Eren to suddenly have the key when he was a child, I find it hard to believe Mikasa would have left him. She might actually know his father did something. Which means she might have something as well, considering her abilities... with Eren's father being a doctor that travels everywhere, it's not unreasonable to believe he was experimenting on other people.

Curious also to why Ymir was a reject, which I'm suspecting has something to do with her runt Titan size. And nice to know I was right about Reiner always keeping an eye on Annie. Their motives interest me as to why if they intended to destroy humanity when they were children, they decided to join the "idiots" and try to live their lives. I think they also have a united curiosity about Eren, probably because they either know he's an artificially made Titan and want to find how the process works, or they want to rescue him from humanity and possibly others (maybe that was their motive, to find and retrieve other Titans inside the walls), OR they took notice of his strength and are bringing him into some kind of Titan clan. Sounds like their hometown was where they were all created so guessing Eren's father is going to be making a reappearance there.

[DarthEnderX]

On top of that, a axe behaves completely different from a sword.
No reason to compare the two.Especially those swords, which are specifically designed for cutting Titans.

The axe is just a tool for cutting down trees.

[Kraco]

I've chopped an immeasurable amount of firewood with an axe, and I can tell you that there's a very good reason why an axe remained a weapon as well until firearms started to replace everything else, apart from ceremonial use. If you need to get through something tough and resilient, and stabbing isn't an option, I'd take an axe any day. There's also a reason beheading executions were performed with an axe, unless something like a guillotine was used.

This show sticks to swords because of that fancy replacement blade system and because the Japanese worship swords like no other people on Earth.

[neflight86]

As far as these two bring "natural" Titans, in their flashback with Ymir, neither were likely able to transform to save their friend, so the likelihood of there being some artificial titan-ification is strong for them, too.

[DarthEnderX]

I've chopped an immeasurable amount of firewood with an axe, and I can tell you that there's a very good reason why an axe remained a weapon as well until firearms started to replace everything else, apart from ceremonial use. If you need to get through something tough and resilient, and stabbing isn't an option, I'd take an axe any day. There's also a reason beheading executions were performed with an axe, unless something like a guillotine was used.This is a completely ridiculous statement, because you assume that an axe is just an axe.

There's a huge difference between a woodsman's axe, a battle axe, and an executioner's axe. They have different weights, different balances, and even different edge types. Yes, any one of them COULD be used for the other in a pinch, but it's not ideal.

Point is, humans have been designing weapons specifically to kill titans for seemingly centuries, and for whatever reason, they've determined that overgrown box cutters, and not axes, are the best way to do it.


As far as these two bring "natural" Titans, in their flashback with Ymir, neither were likely able to transform to save their friend, so the likelihood of there being some artificial titan-ification is strong for them, too.That, or they simply weren't aware of what they were yet. Since transformation requires a very specific set of circumstances.

[Kraco]

Point is, humans have been designing weapons specifically to kill titans for seemingly centuries, and for whatever reason, they've determined that overgrown box cutters, and not axes, are the best way to do it.

Uhhuh. I was never saying axes would be better (although I do say they should work somewhat as well). I just have a problem with potato girl not being able to do anything at all with an axe, whereas that boxcutter sword only needs a single swing. Yet that same boxcutter sword couldn't behead these two fellows in their human form. Maybe you'll tell me next these super swords are so specialised that they only cut the titans impervious to anything else, and thus can't even behead a human? Can't cut a banana or paper either? I can't imagine how that works, but you can enlighten me.

[KrayZ33]

I just love that you think the sword couldn't behead them.
Because at no point in the show or episode, this was even suggested.

The blade cut through one arm with ease and got stuck in the bone of the second arm, from a mere swing on a target that could move and wasn't pressed against a block or anything.

Show me the axe and the human wielding it that can do that.

[Kraco]

As soon as you show me a neck that can't be even properly scratched by multiple axe hits, yet is immediately severed by one cut of a sword.

[KrayZ33]

As soon as you show me titans getting their heads severed off.

Not sure what this has to do with anything you said though. You are saying something completely different. You are making up an assumption that the sword isn't able to cut through a human's neck or head.

Remember, YOU are the guy that says the sword is obviously not special because it can't cut X, yet it's able to cut Y.
Not me.

Yet, the "it can't cut X" thing, was never shown, because we can clearly see that it's able to cut through human tissue and bone with ease. Add to that the velocity of them 3D-ing and the full body motion swings they use against titans etc...

[shinta|hikari]

Can someone clarify what everyone is saying? I don't understand any of it at this point.

[Kraco]

All I'm saying that the scene where Mikasa, who has been depicted as nearly an inhuman fighting machine, failed to kill either of Bertholdt or Reiner, was a scene of pure plot convenience. The whole axe talk is only because the series made the boxcutter swords incomparable to an axe (and we all know an axe can kill a person easily), yet still Mikasa didn't manage to kill anybody. I didn't really mean to start a debate about axes themselves...

[KrayZ33]

Not sure if I should really sum this up, especially someone else's words because this will always sound disrespectful, but with as few words as possible:

Kraco: The animators made it look like the sword can only scratch a human, god forbid behead a human. Stupid Animators, so inconsistent
Me: What? It was able to cut through Reiner's Arm and deep into his 2nd hand/arm alright, it's sharp. What you are saying didn't happen.
Kraco: If it didn't kill them, it's only a scratch.
Me: I don't understand you, not a single scene during that fight shows us that the sword wouldn't be able to behead them.

[DarthEnderX]

Can someone clarify what everyone is saying? I don't understand any of it at this point.Who's on first.

[Buffalobiian]

Ep 32

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Who else found themselves rooting for Reiner / Colossal Titan? It largely comes down to their personalities being more likable than Eren's. Also, their designs are cooler. Reiner being taken down with such a glaring weakness was a little sad, but Eren had to win in some manner. Having blood pissing out of cracked armour made Reiner seem way more delicate than he should be though.

Talking about glaring weaknesses, Mikasa slashing at the armoured parts until her blade broke. -_-.....

Did she really have to be told that the armour had gaps?

Eren also better remember the rest of the bitchfight. I want to know who wins.

[Kraco]

Talking about glaring weaknesses, Mikasa slashing at the armoured parts until her blade broke. -_-.....

Did she really have to be told that the armour had gaps?

That was surreal.

Forgetting Mikasa, the titan fight was quite interesting. Eren might be as stupid as a rubber boot, but he does have some battle sense, it seems. Too bad it's meaningless in the face of titanfall.

[DarthEnderX]

I loved scientist girl's "Senpai noticed me" reaction to having Eren acknowledge her orders as a titan.


Who else found themselves rooting for Reiner / Colossal Titan? It largely comes down to their personalities being more likable than Eren's.Completely agree. Eren is still an obnoxious shit.

I always hate when people in stories call other people traitors, when it's obvious they were never on your side to begin with. Being a spy is not the same thing as being a traitor.

[Kraco]

They are traitors to Eren personally since he apparently was looking up to them as fellow soldiers.

[KrayZ33]

In Mikasa's defence, the gaps in his armor appeared after he shed it off.

I think the titan was basically supposed to be invulnerable to swords before that.. or at least nothing vital/important could be reached.

[Buffalobiian]

I agree that no vital spots were exposed, but that shouldn't result in her slashing obvious armour on his shoulder in frustration when there was a nice soft spot next to her. It's also a given that any joints would be exposed since he didn't have overlapping pieces of armour.

Animation-wise he seemed to pop off the calf muscle attachments, for whatever good that does.

[DarthEnderX]

Animation-wise he seemed to pop off the calf muscle attachments, for whatever good that does.I assume that was a prerequisite for the high-speed rush he performed right after.

[Kraco]

It was clearly visible the joints were red, like in regular titans, whereas the areas between joints were covered by those gray, thick slabs that obviously looked like armour. It's anybody's guess why Mikasa was so hell-bent on only trying to hit the gray parts.

[KrayZ33]

I find it noteworthy that all 3 enemy titanshifters have the same style of titan, while eren has a fully developed one not made out of muscle fiber.


Just to throw that out. I wonder why that's the case. They look cooler that way

[DarthEnderX]

On the other hand, Ymir's titan is a lot closer to Erin's.

[Buffalobiian]

I assume that was a prerequisite for the high-speed rush he performed right after.

One would assume so, but you should be able to run with calf armour. The only purpose that could serve (physically speaking) would be to allow for gastrocnemeous contraction. Not that they swelled particularly much.

The point is, having him pop off overlapping joint armour would have made perfect sense for Mikasa's previous actions and his super-tackles.

The story itself flowed fine. All that needed to happen was to make sure Armoured Titan was drawn in such a way that explains his prior invulnerability and current weakness.

@Krayz33: Good pickup. Those 3 titans have no skin or fat. Talking about that.. Colossal Titan looked like he was just left with a skull in those final shots of the episode.

[MFauli]

I really hate how dumb all these characters act just so that the drama "works". Why are they all standing beneath the colossal titan? Why is Mikasa hitting the hardened parts of the armored titan? Why does she stop after slashing one of his back knees, instead of either cutting it entirely or slashing the other back knee, too? Or, gasp, both!

Mikasa is the biggest disappointment in this battle.

[kmkze04]

Actually at one point just before Reiner made his charge, there was a slight animation of armor breaking and being shed. I'm pretty sure that was to indicate the joint armor being removed to increase agility, at the exchange of opening weak spots. Before that, you notice you never saw him move quickly. In fact he seemed to purposely eat all Eren's blows in order to hit him back harder.

Until that point I found it logical she would test hitting areas that normally damaged the muscles, and finally centered on the nape which is fully protected. And it isn't too much of a reach to think that enough strikes at the same spot may damage or otherwise crack the armor so yeah. I thought the entire battle was quite well done.

Very curious to see the end of the Annie vs Mikasa showdown, and even more curious as to Annie's referring to Mikasa as a beast. There may be something well hidden behind her, such as perhaps it ends up being Mikasa's blood that's a key to this Titan chemical or something.

And lastly, the preview didn't show Eren at all but showed and spoke of Mikasa being injured. With both her and Levi out of commission, Survey Corps are gonna have a real tough time coming up.

Oh but I did have one issue with the beginning where they flashed back to that moonlight hilltop thing. This time they were all wearing Survey Corp cloaks, but when that scene actually happened it was during training just before Eren passed his 3D proficiency test.

[Kraco]

There was never any joint armour to begin with.

[MFauli]

If it turns out that Mikasa was a titan from the very beginning, I´ll quit this anime.

[DarthEnderX]

If it turns out that Mikasa was a titan from the very beginning, I´ll quit this anime.I wouldn't be surprised at all. I assume Erin is a titan because of something his dad did, and they lived together so...he probably did it to her as well.

[KrayZ33]

There was never any joint armour to begin with.

http://i.imgur.com/B03BQRs.jpg

looks armored to me. He didn't even bother to deal with Mikasa because he knew she can't do shit.

[Kraco]

In that shot of yours, there's bare muscle right on the backside of the knee. Those armour slabs won't help if you cut there.

[neflight86]

I just remembered that the collosal Titan ate yimr and another unnamed person; could that have been another potential Titan?

[Buffalobiian]

http://i.imgur.com/H3QezjU.jpg

This picture above demonstrates joint armour at the elbow. See that it's a piece that overlaps with the underlying armour. It reduces range of movement, but provides protection against direct blows.

That's joint armour, and Reiner didn't have that. (he had brown over the extensor surface of his knee, which is weird. But nothing over the flexor surface). Shedding his calf armour would shed weight, and allow his muscles to possibly expand more. That's about it, and the last two reasons are kind of theoretical.

I don't think any living creature actually has such joint armour since it'd be a pain in the ass to give it blood supply.

[KrayZ33]

His armor isn't armor in the first place, it's hardened flesh.
It grows out of him. Just because some red color is shown and surfaced doesn't mean it's his weakpoint.

That being said, what good would it do even if they are, you wouldn't be able to slash through it anyway because the armor segments are so close to gether, at best you could stab him, which would be completely useless.

The reason why Mikasa was able to cut him was because he lost his armor there

The screenshot I took is already post armor damage. You can pretty much see that his flesh armor is connected to his tissue and spun in a string-like pattern throughout his whole body in this epside. It even forms and curls itself up and then straightens itself again several times suggesting that he can make it super hard and/or flexible by choice.

I don't think it's far fetched to assume that his flesh is hardened wherever we see armor, which is why his neck looks like a horn is growing out of it.

[Kraco]

He's called an armoured titan. Of course it's armour of some kind. Like bone. Try to cut a thick bone with a brittle blade for lols. Just wear some safety goggles so that the pieces of steel won't get to your eyes. Or that helmet from your avatar pic, it looks protective.

[KrayZ33]

What I meant to say was that he is probably able to create his armor. Just like Annie could harden her fingers etc.

[Kraco]

That's possible since he could drop specific pieces of armour, like he did from his legs to gain speed. If he can drop them, it would make sense he could grow them as well. However, if he wants to be able to move, he can't cover his joints completely with hard pieces like that. It was either poor writing or poor directing that Mikasa aimed at the hardest looking parts, not the softest ones. A better director would have made it so she simply couldn't hit the narrow gaps accurately.

[KrayZ33]

I guess. But I think that is exactly what the "armor drop" was supposed to show.

"Look here folks, now it's gone, this titan is *now* vulnerable here"

[Buffalobiian]

I guess. But I think that is exactly what the "armor drop" was supposed to show.

"Look here folks, now it's gone, this titan is *now* vulnerable here"

It's pretty much a stuff-up of the Titan's visual design not being representative of what the storyline is trying to tell us.

If the Armoured Titan had joint armour that made him invulnerable then he should look and move like a mummy (or at the very least, said above suit of armour). If they wanted to make him fairly mobile, they can't have experienced fighters missing easy armour gaps like that.

And if they wanted him to spontaneously harden sections of his skin at will, then it needs to be shown. Either way, the back of his knees were visually unguarded prior to his armour drop, but no one thought about cutting that until his calves were exposed. The distinction between the two isn't trivial. One may argue that animation accuracy is (trivial) however.

[Buffalobiian]

S2 Ep 33

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I might as well have yawned and skipped straight to the preview. That was a fairly unexciting setup episode, even if it made sense to have one.

Still waiting to see who the random was that got swallowed along with Ymir earlier.

[MFauli]

I actually liked this episode more than most. It set things in motion. The entire season so far was relatively boring, because it was all reactive. Now, despite being a reaction, too, the story becomes proactive for the first time, leaving the walls behind to explore new occurrrings.

And Erwin is with them, so we can expect something important to happen, since he won´t back down so easily.

[neflight86]

Transition a necessary evil, here we come! Hype all the way. Good to know Ymir is still functional. I chuckled a bit when I saw that Erin's arms had been removed.

[DarthEnderX]

I'll take a ration bar...AND EAT IT!


Still waiting to see who the random was that got swallowed along with Ymir earlier.Berdholt was only carrying Ymir, so whoever it was, they got left behind inside the remains of the colossal titan.

[Buffalobiian]

Berdholt was only carrying Ymir, so whoever it was, they got left behind inside the remains of the colossal titan.

That was a bloody furnace there. I find it hard to believe any non-titan surviving that, but this makes to most sense.

[Kraco]

They should build new gates using the colossal titan's bones and skull. Considering the skeleton can support such a size, the bones must be as tough as alloy steel but much lighter. The skull didn't break into pieces even when the whole thing dropped face first from the wall. It's material unmatched by anything these humans are capable of producing.

[NeoCybercoin]

Just get Eren to learn how to harden and plug himself in any hole. Fix up those holes with even stronger materials.

[shinta|hikari]

Who the hell is Erin, people?

[Buffalobiian]

Just get Eren to learn how to harden and plug himself in any hole.

Should I tell you how I read that?

[shinta|hikari]

LOL, please do, doctor~

[NeoCybercoin]

Well...that was unintended but looking back at it now....okay. That does sound so...so wrong. Or right I suppose depending on your point of view.

[MFauli]

I´m really growing tired of this carrot stick-methode of this anime. Can we PLEASE just once get some proper reveals and answers?! sigh

Can´t even let Rainer finish his sentence because it would reveal "something" :/ And fuck Ymir. Bitch turns traitor just like that ... Support Eren, you dumb cunt.

Only 3 episodes left. This was a very bad season :/ Now waiting 2-3 years again for the next 12 episodes ...

[DarthEnderX]

Can´t even let Rainer finish his sentence because it would reveal "something"Yep. Eren's a piece of shit who won't stfu alright.


And fuck Ymir. Bitch turns traitor just like that ... Support Eren, you dumb cunt.Yeah! What's wrong with her! Just support the shittiest, angriest, most hostile character in the series! Nobody would ever sacrifice an asshole like that to protect the really cute kind-hearted girl.

[MFauli]

You sound like a titan, Darth!

[DarthEnderX]

You sound like a titan, Darth!Titans are human man. That's obvious at this point.

[MFauli]

new episode is out
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Fuck Ymir. Had she fought against Bertholt and Rainer, she and Eren could be free by now. At the very least, she could have fled by herself, told Erwin would she found out and continued Eren´s rescue together. But nah. :/

Anyway, now answers, but at least three new pieces of mystery:

- Coordinate?

- So Ymir is acutall really old. Spent 60 years as a titan, wandering the plains. Do titans in general not age?

- And related to that: So ... a regular titan who eats a human being can turn back to be human, like Ymir/Rainer/Bertholt/Annie/Eren?


The latter was extra weird, because Rainer made it sound like Eren, too, ate a human being. But he clearly never did. He WAS EATEN by a titan. Then his dad´s key reacted. Then later Eren emerged from Santa Claus-titan. From there, he fought titans until he was cut out of his titan form´s nape.

However, if we say Eren is an exception because of his dad´s key, that´s actually really interesting. Titan´s that eat humans get to be humans again. But ... that also doesn´t make sense, because then where are all those shapeshifters that should exist, since so many humans were eaten in season 1 alone?

It also doesn´t explain how Ymir first was able to turn into a titan. So she was thrown from that wall ... and then? Then she´s suddenly a brainless titan. Then she coincidentially eats a human and regains her brains. Something´s missing.

And lastly, what about that coordinates stuff? Eren or Christa seem to be coordinates. What are those? For what? Up until now, the mysteries, as crazy as they might have been, were explainable within the constraints of this fictional world. But ... talking about living beings being coordinates? Somehow, this gives off way spiritual/philosophical vibes, like I´m suddenly watching NGE.

As for this episode, it was okay, but I HATE the setup they did. First they needed Eren at all costs. Now they realized they could also get Christa. My prediction: Eren is saved, but Christa is being taken away. That way the author gets to chicken out once again by delivering no meaningful revelations at all and still give us back the series´ hero. :/ Fuck this shit.
My hope: Rainer is killed, Ymir is dragged back, Eren and Christa are safe, and only Berholt barely gets away.

[neflight86]

new episode is out
- And related to that: So ... a regular titan who eats a human being can turn back to be human, like Ymir/Rainer/Bertholt/Annie/Eren?


The latter was extra weird, because Rainer made it sound like Eren, too, ate a human being. But he clearly never did. He WAS EATEN by a titan. Then his dad´s key reacted. Then later Eren emerged from Santa Claus-titan. From there, he fought titans until he was cut out of his titan form´s nape.


If you re-watch the first minute or so of the very first episode, Erin is having a dream that could be interpreted as memories from when he was a titan, if the story goes that route.

We also see again from Ymir's flashback that more people had access to the "titan syringe" outside the walls.

[DarthEnderX]

Ymir's flashback is interesting. It's super-confirmed now that Titans were people, injected with something. Weird that being a titan seems to be a punishment. Even though it seems to make you immortal.

It also looked like she was being thrown off one of the walls. But was she being thrown inside the wall, or out?

[KrayZ33]

The anime said it wasn't one of "the" walls, but a town outside of the walls, that has walls.

[Buffalobiian]

Eren or Christa seem to be coordinates. What are those?

Coordinators of Titans, or coordinators of the humanoid race in general. Those reasons would suggest why death of a single town isn't that big a deal. What we've learned now is that there really are little-human civilisations outside of the walls. The current city thinks they're all that's left of humanity but that's clearly not true.

Transforming people into titans as punishment is a little weird. Surely someone would think that it would (literally) come back to bite them in the ass.

I'm as excited as anyone else here that we're getting more world building. At least three factions exist in this world, and they all treat titan-tech differently. Ymir's community uses it as punishment. Wall Maria-town rejects it completely and might have even forgot it exists. Annie/Reiner/Bertholdt call themselves Warriors and presumably use it for their own gain.

I also agree with the interpretation that Eren himself ate someone when he was younger.

Reiner/Annie/Bertholdt

[DarthEnderX]

I don't think eating someone is the requirement for turning human again,
because if it was, you'd have titans turning human again left and right with all the people they've eaten in this series.

Ymir wakes up human again after eating Reiner's friend, but there's no indication how much time had passed between then and her waking up. After all, when she woke up, it was night, and she was in the middle of a desert. She might have eaten that guy, then woke up human again months, or even years later.


Transforming people into titans as punishment is a little weird. Surely someone would think that it would (literally) come back to bite them in the ass.I'm wondering if the various human settlements are at war with each other or something, and making an army of titans outside your walls is meant to protect you from invaders. Cause what army wants to try and march through titan territory? And you do it to prisoners because they're expendable.

I'm kinda curious though, we can assume Beast Titan turned Connie's town into titans. Did he just go around town injecting people? Or does he have another method of doing it?


My hope: Rainer is killed, Ymir is dragged back, Eren and Christa are safe, and only Berholt barely gets away.I was expecting the Colossal Titan to be the 3rd big enemy of the series after Female and Armored, because the series sets it up like he's the main guy doing stuff. But he's not even the main guy out of those three. He's basically just dumb(and nervous) muscle.

[Buffalobiian]

I don't think eating someone is the requirement for turning human again,
because if it was, you'd have titans turning human again left and right with all the people they've eaten in this series.

I don't think it can happen to any old titan. Ymir was at least an abnormal when she was in Titan form. She retained her intelligence while she was at it.

[DarthEnderX]

I don't think it can happen to any old titan. Ymir was at least an abnormal when she was in Titan form. She retained her intelligence while she was at it.I don't think she did, because she doesn't remember attacking Reiner's group. And Bernholdt says that's normal.

Retaining your intelligence seems to be something that happens with practice.

[MFauli]

I don't think eating someone is the requirement for turning human again,
because if it was, you'd have titans turning human again left and right with all the people they've eaten in this series.

Ymir wakes up human again after eating Reiner's friend, but there's no indication how much time had passed between then and her waking up. After all, when she woke up, it was night, and she was in the middle of a desert. She might have eaten that guy, then woke up human again months, or even years later.

Yes, that makes sense. It could also explain why it isn´t widespread knowledge. Let´s assume any titan that eats a human being gets to turn back. What does this mean?

- you´re now human again. But you have no idea what to do. You´re outside the wall. You get eaten by another dumb titan.
- hairy titan picks you up and let´s you join his society of transformers outside the wall.
- you actually make it back to the safe inner wall area. But you still have no idea what really happened. Even if you figure out you were a titan, you damn sure won´t tell anybody. So you become a quiet, lucky survivor and do your best to fit into society again.

Basically, there are plenty of reasons why we wouldn´t have noticed the re-transforming of titans into human beings. The fact that killed titans evaporate into thin air also lends itself to those others going unnoticed.




And fuck me, this actually makes it more likely that Mikasa is a titan, too, her being of oriental origin. goddammit ...

[NeoCybercoin]

Unless you can only turn back if you eat someone from Reiners village/group. At least we know Titans are man made.

[DarthEnderX]

And fuck me, this actually makes it more likely that Mikasa is a titan, too, her being of oriental origin. goddammit...Well, she was already highly likely to be a titan based on the fact that she was a kid living in a house with a guy that we already know gives titan shots to kids.

[MFauli]

Lol, can you imagine Mikasa-titan? Totally OP.

[DarthEnderX]

Lol, can you imagine Mikasa-titan? Totally OP.I imagine it'd be much the same as Annie.

I mean, 90% of what makes Mikasa awesome is her maneuver gear skills, which she wouldn't be able to use as a titan.

Unless her titan form ends up being like Ymir's, where she's super agile and can jump around.

[neflight86]

Ep 36

Most everything we've been waiting for finally happened this week, and it felt good. An absurd amount of stuff went on every other scene; it almost makes you wonder why the last two episodes had so little content, comparatively.

"Erin's" special titan at the end was a bit contrived, but I'll consider it this show's version of the deus ex power-up for his doubtless transformation next ep.

[MFauli]

So much stupid shit happened in this episode, but it was good overall. A lot hinges on what happens next week, I guess.

Erwin losing his arm is such bs, lol. Like, the most powerful fighter doesnt see a titan coming? Come on. If he hadn´t rejoined the battle later in the episode, I´d have fully expected it to be an intentional hit, for whatever reason. (Maybe not truly believing in the mission´s success and thus sending in all the others)

Christa turning traitor, too, was sooo frustrating. Hey, girl, if you care for Ymir, here´s what you do: Tell her that she just has to return with the others and they´re both save. If Ymir still refused that, Christa should have cut off Ymir´s arms so that she fell off Rainer´s back. It´s just so fucking dumb how easily characters in this anime turn sides.

Ymir´s argument, LOL.
Christa: "But those titan will probably eat me!"
Ymir: "Everybody´s got some faults, Christa! Can´t you be more understanding?!"
... sheehs ...

Disappointing in Mikasa, too. Not even counting her getting caught by a titan, but fuck, why does she stop to fight Ymir? Fucking CUT THROUGH Christa if necessary! Enough with this bullshit. She keeps saying how much she wants to rescue Eren, but in the end she never follows through. I wanted Mikasa to kick ass just for once.

Well, and that´s where we are. Lots of cool moments, too. All the friends sitting atop Rainer and talking was nice. Armin´s Annie-talk was great. And one-armed Erwin making a return was fantastic.

[DarthEnderX]

I totally understand how it works now.

Ymir said "I stole the Power of the Titans from one of their comrades."

Annie, Reiner, Bertoldt and their friend were all human titans. Ymir became a human titan not because she ate a human, but because she ate a human titan and took his ability to shift.

Which means, if they fed Annie to another titan, that titan would become a human titan too.


Christa turning traitor, too, was sooo frustrating.You keep saying that but, the people in this show mostly fucking suck. What reason does anyone have to be loyal to these people?

Eren is the fucking worst and I wish he'd die but the series needs him, so that's not gonna happen.

Eren is an asshole, and this episode I got to watch Mikasa and Armin turn into assholes in order to rescue him.

"What do I have to abandon?" You had to abandon being a sympathetic character Armin. Congrats.


Ymir´s argument, LOL.
Christa: "But those titan will probably eat me!"
Ymir: "Everybody´s got some faults, Christa! Can´t you be more understanding?!"
... sheehs ...That WAS weird. It's totally, like, a joke, but she treats it like a serious statement.

[kmkze04]

I totally understand how it works now.

Ymir said "I stole the Power of the Titans from one of their comrades."

Annie, Reiner, Bertoldt and their friend were all human titans. Ymir became a human titan not because she ate a human, but because she ate a human titan and took his ability to shift.

Which means, if they fed Annie to another titan, that titan would become a human titan too.

This opens up a really big potential route because if a human titan (aka Eren) were to consume another human titan, they might be able to absorb their abilities. Imagine an Armored Eren. Or if he goes back to the city and consumes Annie, he can get her spot hardening ability. (And become fully woman, since he's already a b*tch)
Which would open up also the possibility that the settlement Reiner and Bertholdt are from are collecting these titans in order to absorb them for some sort of ritual... or some kind of super titan.

Conversely, it seems if a regular titan eats a human titan, they only inherit the power to become a human who can revert to titan form, otherwise Ymir would have a different form. So I may be totally off track.

[DarthEnderX]

This opens up a really big potential route because if a human titan (aka Eren) were to consume another human titan, they might be able to absorb their abilities. Imagine an Armored Eren. Or if he goes back to the city and consumes Annie, he can get her spot hardening ability.That's a tough choice of resource allocation.

You COULD feed a human titan to Erin, to give Erin another ability.

Or you COULD feed it to a feral titan, and potentially gain another human titan that fights for humanity.


Conversely, it seems if a regular titan eats a human titan, they only inherit the power to become a human who can revert to titan form, otherwise Ymir would have a different form. So I may be totally off track.Well, we don't know what that 4th guy she ate's power was, if he even had one.

Her monkey-like agility might be her special ability. Other titans can't swing and climb like she does.

[shinta|hikari]

What the hell is with all this Erin talk? Is that because he is a bitch?

[MFauli]

Eren ....

[DarthEnderX]

Nobody cares.

Anyway, I forget, do Titans eat horses and other animals, or do they only eat people?

If they only eat people, I wonder if they're doing it instinctually in the hopes of eating a human titan. Like subconsciously they're like, "Eating a human titan will make me human again, so I'll eat all humans". Would also explain why they keep attacking other human titans.

Kinda curious why the feral titans are attacking Reiner now when they didn't before when he was knocking down gates in the cities.

[shinta|hikari]

We do, so learn to spell, DarthEndir.

[DarthEnderX]

We do, so learn to spellIf Funimation doesn't have to learn how to spell Freeza, I don't have to learn how to spell Erin.

[MFauli]

Freezer

Oh, sorry, that´s the superior German version of Dragon Ball, that also didn´t pervert Tenshinhan into "Tien" (wtf is that?!)

[Buffalobiian]

Nothing wrong with Tien or Bulma.

[MFauli]

Bulma is the correct western transcription of "Buruma". Tien is ... not "Tenshinhan" lol.

[Buffalobiian]

Bulma is the correct western transcription of "Buruma". Tien is ... not "Tenshinhan" lol.

Buruma should be Bloomer. If you wanted to keep it the same, go Buruma or Buluma.

Tien actually sounds like a name, still means Sky/Heaven, and is only one letter separated when you consider his name as Tien Shinhan.

Funimation also changes all references of "Son" and "Son Goku" to just Goku as well.

None of this stopped anyone watching DBZ.

[shinta|hikari]

Tenshinhan is a dish (http://www.japanfoodaddict.com/seafood/tenshinhan/), which is not surprising because most of DB names are like that. You can't just convert that to Tien randomly.

[MFauli]

final episode 37 is out
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good finale, i´d say. These assholes got neither Eren nor Christa, which was unexpected imo, so it´s nice to see it happen.

FUCK Rainer. Can´t wait for the day he´s shredded to pieces. Scum of the earth.

Hannes dead. :(

[neflight86]

Good ending, even if the build up to the reveal of titans being people was less impressive than Levi's reaction to it. Cool new titan 'power' to command titans. I figured for sure it would be some sort of transformation of Erin's titan form... watching too much shounen anime, apparently. Hannes died an ... unfortunate death. The flashbacks would have you believe he was more of a father to Erin than his real dad. Ymir's vagueness is too tease-y for me to endure for another season, so I'm glad she hitched a ride with Reiner. What else...? Oh, Historia got a nice bit of animation flourish that I can't say I understand, or can complain about.

Also, season 3 confirmed for 2018: Linkoritdidn'thappen (http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/news/2017-06-17/attack-on-titan-anime-season-3-to-air-in-2018/.117628)

[DarthEnderX]

I can see why Reiner wouldn't want that power in Eren's hands. The last person you want having the power to control titans if you're a titan is the guy who's a genocidal psychopath for titans.

Of course, these means that Eren(or more likely, Eren's dad) is the entire reason everyone is dying. Reiner and company knew this Coordinator was inside the walls. It seems like their entire mission for breaking the walls and letting the titans in was to get this power.

[KrayZ33]

Right now, the most interesting faction for me is the church/royal family.

I mean, they know about the titans inside the wall, they probably know what titans are too and they probably know that they aren't the only humans alive.
Which means they are under attack and I wonder how they'll defend themselves. Will they create titans on their own, and is Eren one of them? What I'm saying is, a country that doesn't retaliate at some point, won't win a war.

But if Eren is their "weapon"-tech, they did a very poor job protecting it etc...so, doubtful.

[DarthEnderX]

Also, am I completely crazy or didn't they already establish that you need to be touching metal to transform into a Titan? So why was Eren surprised when it wasn't working? Or is that something the humans still didn't work out yet? I might be misremembering the details.

[neflight86]

Also, am I completely crazy or didn't they already establish that you need to be touching metal to transform into a Titan? So why was Eren surprised when it wasn't working? Or is that something the humans still didn't work out yet? I might be misremembering the details.

I don't remember that being established anywhere. It requires an injury and a "clear purpose, visualized", at least for Erin. Also, according to Reiner, they (Erin and Ymir) couldn't transform while their bodies were being repaired, and it appears Erin's fingers weren't back before Hannes got delicious.

[DarthEnderX]

Hmm, I guess I just came to that conclusion on my own and between seasons forgot that the humans didn't actually figure that out.

I mean, Annie had that metal ring she used to cut herself and transform, and Ymir used that knife. And I might chalk that up to "Well, they just have to bleed to transform, like when Eren bites himself" but then there was that time Eren transformed when he picked up that spoon.

[lelouch]

Hmm, I guess I just came to that conclusion on my own and between seasons forgot that the humans didn't actually figure that out.

I mean, Annie had that metal ring she used to cut herself and transform, and Ymir used that knife. And I might chalk that up to "Well, they just have to bleed to transform, like when Eren bites himself" but then there was that time Eren transformed when he picked up that spoon.

Do you read the manga?

[DarthEnderX]

No. Why do people keep saying that?

[KrayZ33]

Hmm, I guess I just came to that conclusion on my own and between seasons forgot that the humans didn't actually figure that out.

I mean, Annie had that metal ring she used to cut herself and transform, and Ymir used that knife. And I might chalk that up to "Well, they just have to bleed to transform, like when Eren bites himself" but then there was that time Eren transformed when he picked up that spoon.

Not sure, but weren't there just as many transformations without the use of a metal object?
Or does Eren have a teeth out of iron.

[MFauli]

At this point I don´t think iron/metal is of any importance.

However, IF it is, my theory on why Eren wasn´t able to transform in this last episode is that he lacked iron in his own blood. Maybe regenerating his human body had him so malnutritioned that there wasn´t enough iron to transform. I can´t remember: Did the spoon during Eren´s former transformation in S1 dissolve or was it there afterwards?

[DarthEnderX]

Not sure, but weren't there just as many transformations without the use of a metal object?
Or does Eren have a teeth out of iron.I'd have to go back an look. But a lot of the time, I thought he was wearing his swords/maneuver gear.

Obviously though, this is some theory I came up with last season, and during the long gap between seasons, I thought this theory was something the show had actually confirmed. But since nobody else knows what I'm talking about, it obviously wasn't.


Did the spoon during Eren´s former transformation in S1 dissolve or was it there afterwards?No. In fact, it was a point they specifically brought up that the spoon he was holding was completely uneffected by the heat and pressure of his transformation(ep.19@16:05).

[Shadow Skill]

After watching this second season. I will say this. It is definitely better than the first season. Less useless chatting about why the Titans exist, which was established in all 25 episodes of the first season. The scenes were not long and drawn out. This second season is worth watching. Still confused as to why they left a lot of season one unanswered, the basement, Why Titans are in the walls, etc etc. Overall the second season is worth watching.

[NeoCybercoin]

Didn't they say that he can't transform because his body was still healing?

[shinta|hikari]

They did.

[Munsu]

Just watched the 2nd season, brutal as always which is awesome. The plot itself quite hit and miss, lots of contradictions and one of the main premises with which the season began was completely ignored once we were on our way.

I kept rooting for Ymir, but with her latest decision it seems her days are numbered... but her death has long been foreshadowed, and she keeps proving me wrong. So crossing fingers she lasts a bit more.

And for those who were wondering on why Eren couldn't transform, yeah it was established earlier that he was still healing... and once he finished trying to transform and failing, there was a close-up to his hands, and his fingers hadn't healed yet. So that seems to be the reason.

Also curious about all the factions of Titans (didn't seem like they were friendly with the ape one), guess we'll learn more in the future.

[neflight86]

OVA 6 is out. (https://nyaa.si/download/994763.torrent)

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I believe its the first of a 2-3 episode side story about Annie's final day in the MP. I guess I'm biased, but this single episode was more entertaining than... anything I've watched since summer, easily. I love it when Annie goes terminator.

At the end, what is she rushing to the door for? It's obviously a trap, but is she afraid of being framed for the murder, or something else to do with the neighbor? I don't get it.

[neflight86]

Season 3 has begun. Now the focus shifts to the internal enemies (humans) and the mysteries therein. I'm psyched! Also, "Kenny the Ripper" makes me shake my head with a smirk. Luckily the only thing AoT was missing were a cowboy character; I ain't complaining.

Looks like 4th time isn't the charm, as far as OPs go. The first three were a bit more hype than this new one.

[DarthEnderX]

There aren't any TITANS in the intro!!

[NeoCybercoin]

From what I understand this is all about internal conflict. So think i'll binge it when it's done. I'm not that interested in this one.

[DarthEnderX]

I wasn't that interested in that description either. Till the end of the first episode.

Grappling hook spike pistol cowboys!!

[neflight86]

39

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The first 3 minutes of this episode, and the incredible animation therein, have absolved AoT of all sins: past, present, and future.

The hype is real.

Why does the "true king" looks so foppish?

[Buffalobiian]

After all the swords and stuff I've forgot these guys had gunpowder and cannons.

edit: and I do like the consistency: either you talk after 1 nail, or you stay shut after 20.

[DarthEnderX]

40

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I NEED for Mikasa to eat Annie!

[Buffalobiian]

40

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I NEED for Mikasa to eat Annie!

Would watch 10/10.

[MFauli]

Very lame episode.

Titans pls :/

[Buffalobiian]

OVA 6 is out. (https://nyaa.si/download/994763.torrent)

_______________________

I believe its the first of a 2-3 episode side story about Annie's final day in the MP. I guess I'm biased, but this single episode was more entertaining than... anything I've watched since summer, easily. I love it when Annie goes terminator.

At the end, what is she rushing to the door for? It's obviously a trap, but is she afraid of being framed for the murder, or something else to do with the neighbor? I don't get it.

I finally watched all 7 OVAs up to date. The last 4 in particular have been really good.

[neflight86]

43

Good to know every sadist shall have his day in Attack on Titan. I never exactly pieced together how the contraption works. Is he force feed through his nether regions to vomit from his mouth? I guess the less said the better...

Now we know why we haven't seen papa Jager since the flashback.

I look forward to more information on these memory erasing powers. They look like the perfect platform from which to jump some awesome sharks.

On a side note, I'm glad that Mikasa's dad was the Ackerman, not her mother, just to I wouldn't have to roll my eyes at the "Asians are low key superheroes" trope I was sadly expecting. That also means Levi, Kenny and Mikasa aren't closely related.

Lots of great secrets are being spilled just as we are set up for another dramatic confrontation. I'm sick if the whole "7 days in a week" thing.

[Buffalobiian]

Good to know every sadist shall have his day in Attack on Titan. I never exactly pieced together how the contraption works. Is he force feed through his nether regions to vomit from his mouth? I guess the less said the better...

Let me say that this contraption can't physically sustain life, or really work. You've got peristalsis and constant large bowel motion propelling things down towards your anus. It doesn't work in reverse. If by some freak of nature you manage to push food against this natural bowel motion, you'll fill up the large bowels until you hit a thing called the ileocaecal valve (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ileocecal_valve). If stuff can't get out, you end up with a large bowel obstruction, the caecum bursts, and you die of sepsis and having shit in your peritoneum.

Still, that doesn't stop this being a fucking great way to degrade someone.

As for politics, I've only managed to figure out 2 sides to this story.

-There's Ymir's homeland, where they create titans as punishment and let them roam.

-There's Reiss, who mind-control titans and memory-wipe humans. They made a titan-wall around the humans and sheltered them for 100 years.

-Not sure about Jager, Beast titan or Reiner's crew. It hasn't made a whole lot of sense for Papa Jager to give Eren the injection/power. What can Eren do that Papa Jager couldn't?

[DarthEnderX]

I never exactly pieced together how the contraption works. Is he force feed through his nether regions to vomit from his mouth? I guess the less said the better...He's a one-man human centipede!

[neflight86]

Erin's been disappointing many times so far (third time captured), but the whiny guilt from this episode from hearsay that Rodd Riess said was... especially disappointing. I'm glad Historia (inspired by Ymir) stole the show and flipped the situation on its head.

I hope Kenny survives somehow, and Hange, while we're at it.

[Buffalobiian]

Hahahah, so after all that injecting, you can just drink the serum. Talk about being dramatic xD.

(Maybe it's less potent and he becomes a part-skeleton, who knows. It was funny though.)

I guess this is it for Ross. Unless he eats someone and morphs back, he's just another titan to be killed.

[MFauli]

Historia was a total bitch until the very last moment. She was ready to kill Eren and betray everyone, just for her deluded dad's bs, a guy she hadn't seen in years. It shouldn't have taken Eren's pussy behavior to turn around. Wow. Fuckung hate her.

I hope she dies a gruessome death. Maybe Eren could eat her. I'd applause.

[DarthEnderX]

Crista fucking rules!

Eren still blows...


Historia was a total bitch until the very last moment. She was ready to kill Eren and betray everyone, just for her deluded dad's bs, a guy she hadn't seen in years. It shouldn't have taken Eren's pussy behavior to turn around. Wow. Fuckung hate her.

I hope she dies a gruessome death. Maybe Eren could eat her. I'd applause.You're such a fucking hypocrite. Eren believes her father just as much as she does, and wants her to make the exact same decision. But SHE'S the bitch? SHE'S "betraying everyone" but Eren isn't?

In fact, NOT eating Eren is actually betraying everyone, because she's basically dooming humanity and is happy about it. Which I'm totally fine with, because humanity blows in this setting.

I wish she would have eaten Eren. She sucks way less than he does, and I would welcome the change in main character from that psycho.

[KrayZ33]

I think both are fine.

It's really hard to believe the King's bullshit though... it makes so little sense.
I still couldn't understand why he didn't use the Titan-salsa. Well, I kinda do understand but I don't understand why anyone would be willing to do it FOR him.. It's his "duty" too when we believe what he had to say about it.

It really made less and less sense the more he talked about it, to a point where Christa's reaction at the end of this epsiode was pretty much a given.

[MFauli]

Crista fucking rules!

Eren still blows...

You're such a fucking hypocrite. Eren believes her father just as much as she does, and wants her to make the exact same decision. But SHE'S the bitch? SHE'S "betraying everyone" but Eren isn't?

In fact, NOT eating Eren is actually betraying everyone, because she's basically dooming humanity and is happy about it. Which I'm totally fine with, because humanity blows in this setting.

I wish she would have eaten Eren. She sucks way less than he does, and I would welcome the change in main character from that psycho.

You're disgusting. Stop deluding yourself.

Situation here: Reiss tells daughter to eat best friend, Historia agrees (until Eren convinces her otherwise) and tries to eat that FRIEND that she knew longer than that father weirdo.

Situation back then: Father tells Eren to eat HIMSELF, Eren doesnt want to, and they're in a lonesome location with nobody around.

Historia was a total bitch up until EREN convinced her to snap out of it.

[shinta|hikari]

I guess it is quite different. Historia wanted to eat her friend to save humanity, while Eren wanted to sacrifice himself to save humanity. One is a pragmatist, and the other is a hero, and both are idiots for believing a story with no proof.

[MFauli]

A real friend would say 'screw the world!' to save a friend's life ...

[shinta|hikari]

But that would mean ignoring that friend's desire to save the world, which I guess she sorta just did.

Thing is, there are probably other ways to save the world, so not eating your friend is a good idea.

Mikasa is so badass as usual.

[Buffalobiian]

1. Ross's words had weight. The fact that no one from Reiss saved the world from titans in 100 years suggested that it was either impossible or undesirable, but everything else he said triggered memories in both Historia and Eren. Not believing the last part like Historia did was correct.

Do not forget that eating Eren not only restores complete control of titan and memory-altering powers to Reiss, but should also restore their lost history. Whether that'll help save the world or not is debatable, but on paper at least it's desirable.

I applaud Eren very much for his decision. He's weak and a dumbass, but he puts humanity first. Contrast this to a few other characters who have made advances over the last few episodes.

[KrayZ33]

Why did Ross not do it himself?

[shinta|hikari]

Probably because he doesn't want to become a titan.

[KrayZ33]

I mean, doesn't that basically rob all the meaning out of his words

Demanding that YOU do what he is not willing to...
The whole thing falls apart if that's the case and it wouldn't even be worthy to call a scheme.

[shinta|hikari]

Well yeah, that's why Eren and Historia are idiots.

[DarthEnderX]

Situation back then: Father tells Eren to eat HIMSELF, Eren doesnt want to, and they're in a lonesome location with nobody around.Back then?! I'm talking about RIGHT NOW! Right now Eren heard the exact same explanations from the exact same person Historia did, and Eren ALSO wants her to "betray everyone and eat Eren"!

And Eren is not her best friend. Ymir is. Eren and Christa have said maybe 10 lines to each other in this entire series.


Historia was a total bitch up until EREN convinced her to snap out of it.Eren wasn't trying to convince her to snap out of it! He was trying to get her to DO it! Eren is doing THE EXACT SAME FUCKING THING you're calling Historia a bitch for! Only she snaps her fucking SELF out of it, Eren STILL wants her to go through with it, but SHE fucking snaps HIM out of it!

Watch the episode again for fuck's sake!

[shinta|hikari]

So much shouting.

[DarthEnderX]

Caps AND exclamation points!

But yeah, this is just more of MFauli's "Mineta did nothing wrong" MRA horseshit. "Historia is a stupid thot who deserves to die but Eren is fine even though he would have done the exact same thing".

[neflight86]

I believe Kenny called out Ross for always forcing other members of the family to do the Titan thing, so cowardice may be the reason he didn't do it himself.

Is Historia 'bloodline enough' to utilize this power in the first place? I thought true Riess bloodline members couldn't have their memories messed with by the power? What Eren lacks in ability he will no doubt subsidize with his obsession as far as controlling the power goes.

[Buffalobiian]

Good point about the bloodline. That is yet to be seen, since the royal line may be different from noble lines.

As for Eren, his dad didn't ask to be eaten. Daddy Jager just injected Eren knowing that eating the nearest human would be what a titan would do.

[MFauli]

.

Eren wasn't trying to convince her to snap out of it! He was trying to get her to DO it! Eren is doing THE EXACT SAME FUCKING THING you're calling Historia a bitch for! Only she snaps her fucking SELF out of it, Eren STILL wants her to go through with it, but SHE fucking snaps HIM out of it!

Watch the episode again for fuck's sake!

You silly twat. Historia wasn't snapping out of ANYTHING prior to Eren's appeal to her! She was deadset on eating him, hence her surprise when Eren reacted differently than she had expected. Watch the episode again ffs!

This is just DarthEnder throwing an uninformed tantrum again. He's probably still jealous of Mineta. 🐧

[shinta|hikari]

I just realized Ross might not be a Reiss bloodline. Maybe he married into the family.

[Buffalobiian]

I just realized Ross might not be a Reiss bloodline. Maybe he married into the family.

It would be strange for him to turn himself into a titan at the end then.

[shinta|hikari]

Wasn't he going to die? So he saved himself by turning into a titan.

[DarthEnderX]

Historia wasn't snapping out of ANYTHING prior to Eren's appeal to her! She was deadset on eating him, hence her surprise when Eren reacted differently than she had expected.But SHE still snapped HERSELF out of it. SHE'S the one that made the decision. Eren's appeal was for her to keep doing what she was doing. So Eren doesn't get fucking credit for doing the exact OPPOSITE of what he was trying to do.

[KrayZ33]

I just realized Ross might not be a Reiss bloodline. Maybe he married into the family.

Then why is Historia, does that mean the slut she was born off is of Reiss' bloodline?

I don't think so.

Unless her dead "sister" is her actual mom (it seems like she can delete/change memories after all) - I don't see how Historia would be of the Reiss family if Rod is not

[MFauli]

But SHE still snapped HERSELF out of it. SHE'S the one that made the decision. Eren's appeal was for her to keep doing what she was doing. So Eren doesn't get fucking credit for doing the exact OPPOSITE of what he was trying to do.


It is BECAUSE of Eren's unexpected reaction that Historia snapped out of it. Had EREN not done what he did, she would have eaten him, no snapping out of it. Your Historia defense is hilarious.

[DarthEnderX]

Had EREN not done what he did, she would have eaten himBUT THAT'S WHAT HE WANTED! FUCK!!!

SHE decided not to eat him because HE'S pathetic and SHE'S a good person! HE wanted her to eat him because HE'S a pathetic dipshit!

[shinta|hikari]

So much shouting.

[Buffalobiian]

Wasn't he going to die? So he saved himself by turning into a titan.

The Scouts didn't declare their intention to kill Ross, so he didn't have to assume that he'd have to die.

His fixation was on returning "God" back to his side, and if that wasn't possible, he took it upon himself to keep the Titan power within his bloodline. That's how I read it.

[MFauli]

BUT THAT'S WHAT HE WANTED! FUCK!!!

SHE decided not to eat him because HE'S pathetic and SHE'S a good person! HE wanted her to eat him because HE'S a pathetic dipshit!

WHAT IS WRONG WITH YOU!
HE made her change her bitchy mind. Had EREN not been 'pathetic', she wouldn't have snapped out of it and eaten aka murdered him. It was Eren's effort, albeit unintentional, to stop her from her shit. Praising Historia here in any way is just deluded. She should have been against murdering Eren from the beginning.

[KrayZ33]

The Scouts didn't declare their intention to kill Ross, so he didn't have to assume that he'd have to die.

His fixation was on returning "God" back to his side, and if that wasn't possible, he took it upon himself to keep the Titan power within his bloodline. That's how I read it.

I think you missed the part where he broke his back

[DarthEnderX]

Praising Historia here in any way is just deluded.It's LESS deluded than praising Eren, who was actively trying to get the opposite result.

"Well, you were trying to save Hitler by killing his assassin, but you accidentally shot Hilter. Here's a reward for killing Hitler!"

Eren being pathetic only reminded her of the kind of person she actually was. If she wasn't a good person to begin with there would have been nothing to "snap her out of".

Like, if the positions were reversed and someone told Eren he could destroy all the titans if he ate his friend, Eren would have eaten them in a second and not even shown a shred of remorse.

[shinta|hikari]

Not so sure about that. Eren has always been a hero. He's not the type to sacrifice people, especially those he cares for, for his goal. What he is totally ready to sacrifice is himself, which fits the hero archetype.

That's the main difference between Historia's and Eren's reactions to the bullshit story. Historia was asked to kill her friend to save humanity. Eren was asked to kill himself. Historia doing that may be practical but cruel. Eren doing that is heroic, coz yknow, he's the protagonist. His life is his own to spend. Historia doesn't have the right to kill him. That's the critical difference.

[MFauli]

Not so sure about that. Eren has always been a hero. He's not the type to sacrifice people, especially those he cares for, for his goal. What he is totally ready to sacrifice is himself, which fits the hero archetype.

That's the main difference between Historia's and Eren's reactions to the bullshit story. Historia was asked to kill her friend to save humanity. Eren was asked to kill himself. Historia doing that may be practical but cruel. Eren doing that is heroic, coz yknow, he's the protagonist. His life is his own to spend. Historia doesn't have the right to kill him. That's the critical difference.

What he said. Plus: No matter what you claim, Darth, without Eren reacting unexpectedly, Historia wouldn't have snapped, wouldn't have returned to being a good person. That makes her a bitch in my book.

[KrayZ33]

Mfauli be like:

"You can save humanity from imminent doom by killing that dude you know, but never really talked with"

"...wha... o-ok..no, no let me think about it"
"I will no-.."

"YOU BITCH, YOU THOUGHT ABOUT DOING IT"

[DarthEnderX]

Not so sure about that. Eren has always been a hero. He's not the type to sacrifice people, especially those he cares for, for his goal. You say that, but he's had at least 3 friends who've turned out to be titans, that he's wanted nothing more than to horribly murder the instant he found out. Because his goal is just titan genocide.

[shinta|hikari]

Sure, but Historia isn't a titan.

[Buffalobiian]

I think you missed the part where he broke his back

Who broke who's back?

[KrayZ33]

Historia smashed Ross onto the ground and he broke his spine/back in the process

[DarthEnderX]

45

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I wonder if thats why Reiss said he must not become a titan, because he knew what kind of creature he'd turn into.

Quite the Deus Ex Machina just stumbling onto a bottle of armor titan juice.

[neflight86]

I wonder, was that label written in the "lost tongue" that Ymir knew? I'd imagine not since no one else saw or mentioned it, but that could point to him having some access to those old memories.

This episode really set some things straight that I didn't even realize I didn't understand (derp):

1) Riess king's bloodline gets brainwashed by prime titan power to keep humanity ignorant and imprisoned

2) Titan powers can be consumed and they seem to be cumulative.

3) The hole in wall Maria is what is keeping them out of the basement, apparently, which we learned in Season one, but I had no idea that plugging the wall was their first move to get to the basement for real.

4) Papa Jager suspected or knew that the Reiss family had no intention of using their powers to remove the titans, so action had to be taken. Good deduction, Armin

5) Historia is best girl (unless Hange gets some more screen time w/o the goggles)

6) Eren is worst boy; seriously, Levi is getting tired of telling you to make decisions...

[Buffalobiian]

45

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I wonder if thats why Reiss said he must not become a titan, because he knew what kind of creature he'd turn into.



I'm not sure that he knew that. I thought it was more because he licked the Titan Juice instead, which made his transformation bogus.

I had no idea where the Armour Titan bottle came from. It's not even armour plates like our blond macho guy - it's the actual crystalised deal. I don't remember that being brought up at all.

[MFauli]

Why is the crystal matter so fragile? We see it constantly shatter to pieces, be it at the end when Reiss destroyed everything, but also when everyone used their maneuver gear which managed to bash into the crystal pillars.

Yet, Annie's crystal matter is indestructible? Ok ...


Historia is still worst girl, suddenly taking herself oh so important. Eren is a true hero, still willing to give up his life for everyone's sake.

[DarthEnderX]

1) Riess king's bloodline gets brainwashed by prime titan power to keep humanity ignorant and imprisonedThis was also unclear to me until this episode.

Riess described it as "obtaining the First King's knowledge of the history of the world." And made it sound like, once you know everything that's going on, you'll make the same decision he did.

But this episode presents it as "No, actually, the First King just possesses you, and forces you to keep enacting his original plan."

Of course, I guess there's no actually proof that the Scout's version is true and Riess' version was wrong. Maybe he was telling the truth and the scouts are just choosing to interpret it this way so they can feel good about their decision.

[Buffalobiian]

I had no idea what you guys were talking about until I re-read those subs again.

For one, the Freida doesn't seem like she was just brainwashed by the First King. Sure, they all gave off blank stares etc every now and again, but possession wasn't even suggested.

On the other hand, Rod calls them Gods. His fixation and admiration for a "God" makes more sense if the First King actually manifests through, as opposed to just guiding new successors with a photographic textbook.

[KrayZ33]

Episode 46



Even though I dislike the time period and how warfare evolved during their time of use, there is something extraordinarily charming about a canon volley.

Artillery fire is just.....so delightful.

[DarthEnderX]

Even Eren thinks Eren sucks and Historia is great.

[KrayZ33]

I'd like Historia to suck - Eren

[DarthEnderX]

I think she could probably suck Erwin without even kneeling. Weirdass dwarf girl...

[KrayZ33]

She isn't a dwarf, she would have weird proportions then. She's tiny though and that's hot.

[Buffalobiian]

I think she could probably suck Erwin without even kneeling. Weirdass dwarf girl...

She's not that small.

https://i.imgur.com/cDPBeUq.jpg

[DarthEnderX]

48

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Wait, this eason is still going?

[neflight86]

2 cour, and it started about 3 weeks late, so I'd expect it to last till mid January. I think last week was no broadcast due to bad weather coverage.

[DarthEnderX]

Mikasa's understated jealousy over Historia is hilarious.

I'm actually starting to dislike Mikasa a little because she's so obsessed with not allowing Eren to doubt himself, that when he even thinks about maybe not being a genocidal psycho she immediately distracts him from that line of thinking.

[KrayZ33]

That epsiode felt quite powerful.

I think I liked that one the most so far.

[MFauli]

I dislike Mikasa because she never approaches Eren romantically. I mean, they're adults, ffs.

@episode: yah, I liked it, too. Felt really emotional towards the end.

[shinta|hikari]

I totally agree with Mikasa being so cowardly. Just push the guy down. If you gag him, he can't turn into a titan.

[Shadow Skill]

I binge watched episodes 38 to 48 today. Not as good as the second season. Definitely better than the first season.

FINALLY! Some answers and back story that was missing from the first 43 episodes.

This has got to be the only anime that needs 40 episodes to establish the events pre-titan. I admit, the wait was worth it. It did not feel rushed or contrived or just some sort of gap filler for dialogue. A lot of this could have been answered in the first 15 episodes. Which oif they had, Season would have been much better. Then again, if they did they would be forced to do something else this season as well.

[DarthEnderX]

This has got to be the only anime that needs 40 episodes to establish the events pre-titan.Most anime don't ever bother to establish their pre-titan events!

[Shadow Skill]

Most anime don't ever bother to establish their pre-titan events!

Ahahaah!

I should have worded that differently.

What I mean is that, they finally started to address issues that were brought up in Season one. Issues that supposedly happened Pre-Titan or at least Pre-Eren.


It took 40 episodes to finally get them answered. Which was from episodes 43 onwards.


They did not need to take 43 episodes. Either way, I have some answered. I still have questions but if there will be another season hopefully they get answered as well.

[DarthEnderX]

I feel like revealing your pre-series backstory later on is actually pretty common place for anime. I mean, shit, One Piece has over 800 episodes and still hasn't explained the shit in the past that made the word the way it is now.

Not just anime either, but pretty much any longform storytelling. Game of Thrones is pretty much ALL this.

[MFauli]

You know, actually I think I'm upset about all that.

The premise of this anime had always been 'we're attacked by titans. We know nothing. We have to go outside the wall and find out!'

But now ... we knew everything after all! It's just a bunch of assholes keeping it a secret. Ffs

Yeah, I dont like that at all.

Next some asshole reveals 'oh, you're looking for the beast titan? Well, there's a titan town in that direction. Oh, I didn't tell you, because I'm fighting a deep inner emotional conflict, ya know. Whoopsie daisy!'

[KrayZ33]

So conspiracy stories aren't your thing?
The whole part with Annie etc. wasn't either?

Why would you prefer it if they kept killing titans non stop until they find "the titan boss". That'd be extremely boring.

It's not like this came out of the blue either, it's been mentioned from the very first episode onwards that books about the outside world are forbidden etc.
hinting at someone who is controlling humanity behind the walls (or at least that "part" of humanity)

They were slowly, but steadily revealing more and more hints and now hints slowly become facts.

[MFauli]

I wouldn't find a continuous search for the titan mystery boring at all. Berserk is like that and it's great.

I generally hate flashbacks, too.

[neflight86]

Really liked that they are circling back to things from the first three episodes. It really makes the story seem well thought out/premeditated. Two weeks, two very different flashbacks, both interesting and important. I'm so glad we got a good few episodes left this season.

[neflight86]

Episode 49(?) (https://nyaa.si/view/1139453)

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Oh... Its good to have you back, AoT...

[MFauli]

Good episode. Although sigh, plot shield for Rainer again. Realistically, Levi should have sliced him to pieces.

What confuses me: the titans next to the hairy one, are they dumb titans or intelligent ones? Cause they suddenly appeared as if they transformed like Rainer. Or did the hairy one somehow teleport them there? Hm.

[DarthEnderX]

Was that intro, like, a mashup of all the previous intros?

And at the end it's just screaming BAAAAAAASEMEEEEEENT!!

[Buffalobiian]

Was that intro, like, a mashup of all the previous intros?

It sounds like it doesn't it? Personally for me it's as if it's Verse 2 of his other songs.


What confuses me: the titans next to the hairy one, are they dumb titans or intelligent ones? Cause they suddenly appeared as if they transformed like Rainer. Or did the hairy one somehow teleport them there? Hm.

No clue. If Eren gets his titan powers sorted, he might even be able to command the army that's about to be served against him. Monkey seems OP. He's fast, tall and smart.

[KrayZ33]

The OP suggest that the titans were basically transformed/summoned into existence there.

And Eren uses crystal-reinforced fists in combat now, pretty cool.

[DarthEnderX]

I love how the titan crystal is giving them access to new tech.


If Eren gets his titan powers sorted, he might even be able to command the army that's about to be served against him. Monkey seems OP. He's fast, tall and smart.Oh yeah, I forgot he could do that.

Feel like he never used it at all last season.

[Buffalobiian]

Episode 51

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That felt way too short. RIP Reiner.

That "transferring consciousness to body" thing came out of nowhere.

[MFauli]

SUPER shory :/

Goddamn, if he isn't dead by next episode, I'll break something. Please let our heroes make some meaningful progress! 🙈

God, when everyone hesitated to attack him again - WHY?! We're long past the 'he was our friend' bs. They should have spammed spear attacks until nothing's left.

And pls let Levi off the beast titan. Can't stand that smug titan. Unfortunately, I have a feeling Levi might die together with that titan :(

[neflight86]

Nice that they explain the mechanics of his survival, and it doesn't conflict with what we've been shown so far. It looks like the explosion at the end was maybe part of what he was about to "resort to". I think be breathed flame once back in season one after breaking the interior wall, as a steam release or the like...

Thunder spears. AT rockets. I'm jazzed. Erin's turned into a little MMA monster.

I'm also surprised that they decided that 'having trouble with 3-4 meters' was somehow beneath them. I don't recall the scout squad outside of team Levi ever being titan butchers...

[KrayZ33]

The scouts are the only ones that are actual experts at titan slaying.
You might have a bad impression about them because they had to fight the female titan. But even against her, they did fairly well and made her back up again and again. She had to use tricks and suprise attacks to really get the better of them.

But the scouts are not the same as the dudes that lost the human settlement, which were mostly guards and recruits in season 1, they've always been somewhat of an elite group.

[Munsu]

Only watching Bluray versions, so just finished watching the first half of season 3.

One particular thing that has bothered me is Reiss' explanation that only their bloodline can use the Founding Titan's power, despite Eren having previously used it (and no one called Reiss on that particular bullshit).

Or were they talking about memory manipulation specifically? From what I understood, the Reiss family seemed to have that power inherent in their bloodline, not an actual Titan power in itself.

So as I understood it, Reiss family can manipulate memory, but with the Founding Titan's Scream, they can do a mass AOE manipulation.

Anyways, enjoy the second half.

[Buffalobiian]

To be honest I had forgotten all about the memory wiping thing till now. I guess that's what they mean - that memory wiping was only within the Reiss family.

HS - S3 Episode 52







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So short but so good. Every new piece of information on Annie (either from the OVAs or other) just makes her more human and much less "cold" than what we typically see of her. I don't know if making her hesitate like this is going to far to give her emotions, but it's certainly interesting to watch.

[MFauli]

I swear I'll break something if Reiner and Bertholt get away AGAIN. Ugh. When they stand around Reiner and just watch. Fucking slash his human body to pieces!

Also: Bertholt blocking Mikasa's first attack was bs. He's not that capable, come in.

And also: when was it established that bertholt's transformation causes a nuke going off?! Unti now it was just hot steam.

[neflight86]

And also: when was it established that bertholt's transformation causes a nuke going off?! Unti now it was just hot steam.

Mid season two when they transformed on the wall after their low-key identity reveal. There were whole scenes of it blowing everyone and thing away (when he reached out to grab Ymir's, stretcher). This episode they just suggested that he has the greatest titan power of them all.

Facing off against Mikasa, not being wavered by Armin's head tactics, It's almost like Bertholt has developed his own shounen growth spurt; too bad its being pointed against our heroes(?).

It was disheartening to have valuable episode minutes occupied by the Marco flashback (bad way to go), but I'm certain the show will benefit from it in the long run and repeat viewings: characterization has always been one of my favorite things about AoT. Waiting weekly for my dose has never been so hard.

[DarthEnderX]

Also: Bertholt blocking Mikasa's first attack was bs. He's not that capable, come in.You're right, he's not. It's also clearly intentional since even Mikasa was like "How the hell was HE able to fight me?"

[MFauli]

Episode 53:


Rainer is fully healed again ...
God, i hate this anime now. That's Boruto-levels of bad :/

[KrayZ33]

Calm down,

you made your point clear that for some reason you don't like Rainer, and want him dead, a while ago - we got it.

[DarthEnderX]

Speaking of Reiner, I thought it was interesting that they it more clear that Reiner seems like he actually has two distinct/compartmentalized personalities.

Which kinda explains that weird scene where he and Berholdt first outed themselves. Because Titan Warrior Reiner doesn't seem to understand the concept of not talking about his plans out loud.

[MFauli]

Calm down,

you made your point clear that for some reason you don't like Rainer, and want him dead, a while ago - we got it.

I've got nothing against Rainer.

I have a lot against bad writing and the same enemy popping up 4-5 times. It's as if Link fought Ganon 4-5 times in a single Zelda-game.

[KrayZ33]

Him not dying has nothing to do with bad writing. (so far)

Btw guys, did we get any information on where Ymir went? Wasn't she with Berthold and Rainer?

[MFauli]

Him not dying has nothing to do with bad writing. (so far)



That's your opinion.

For a series that's all about consequences, it's bad. Also it's simply frustrating how the show never makes any progress because of it.

Season 1: an armored titan! But we can't kill it. Let's kill the female titan instead - oh, we can't, either.

Season 2: yay, we got him-ah, so close! But let's try again-AH, he got away again. And he also took away Ymir, our just found new titan ally.

Season 3: we've got new anti-armor spears! Yay, he's dead! Oh wait, he's alive. But he's as good as dead, let's deal with Bertholt first- oh snap, Rainer is fully healed again.

That's where we're at. Just how many seasons will it take to make meaningful progress aka killing Rainer?! At this point in time I'd be half-satisfied if Levi really manages to kill the beast titan, but I'm not convinced that'll happen either 💁

[DarthEnderX]

But we don't WANT Reiner to die, because then we can't have a good guy eat him and steal his powers.

We got Annie all nice and packaged up for when Mikasa becomes a titan. Reiner can't die till after someone else becomes a titan.

[KrayZ33]

That's your opinion.



Oh.. so yours isn't?
Uhm... no.


And it seems like you really didn't pay any attention to what has happened in this show.
Your pathetic way of describing what supposedly happened in this show isn't even remotely the truth or even similar to what actually happened and how it was portrayed.


Season 1: an armored titan! But we can't kill it. Let's kill the female titan instead - oh, we can't, either.

So? The female titan is defeated.


Season 2: yay, we got him-ah, so close! But let's try again-AH, he got away again. And he also took away Ymir, our just found new titan ally.

Tough right? Considering the amount of losses they suffer for the smallest gain, just to lose it again in a twist is what keeps this show interesting and the reason why despair actually works in this one, compared to most other shows.


Season 3: we've got new anti-armor spears! Yay, he's dead! Oh wait, he's alive. But he's as good as dead, let's deal with Bertholt first- oh snap, Rainer is fully healed again.

Seems like the enemies are actually powerful and not trash?
What's your problem? That the enemy is fighting back and not easy to beat?
It's almost as if they are characters in this story as well, how fascinating... not just dead meat to beat the shit out of.

They don't half ass this. They are throwing their lives at them and each loss actualy means something. They don't get things done with sheer willpower alone, everytime they go all out, they lose something. They gain very little, they suffer the consequences. Not because they aren't trying, but because the enemy is that much more powerful and their situation is getting worse with each soldier lost.

Just because you can't see all the progress they've made, doesn't mean it didn't exist.
Just because you aren't able to understand it, doesn't mean it's wrong.
Pay attention.

[neflight86]

Season 1: an armored titan! But we can't kill it. Let's kill the female titan instead - oh, we can't, either.

Season 2: yay, we got him-ah, so close! But let's try again-AH, he got away again. And he also took away Ymir, our just found new titan ally.

Season 3: we've got new anti-armor spears! Yay, he's dead! Oh wait, he's alive. But he's as good as dead, let's deal with Bertholt first- oh snap, Rainer is fully healed again.

That's where we're at. Just how many seasons will it take to make meaningful progress aka killing Rainer?!

I remember you giving Boku no Hero a fair amount of guff a few seasons back for having 'ineffectual villains who weren't a legitimate threat'... Is this too far in the opposite direction?

Titan artillery is pretty cool. Fire for effect. Sad to see the scouts have to talk themselves into a suicide charge for the slimmest chance of victory.

This show is great, and I love how it explores the fatalistic mindset, but the anticipation of what's going to happen makes its pacing actually painful, in a way I won't properly appreciate until repeat viewings. Why do we do this to ourselves?

[MFauli]

I remember you giving Boku no Hero a fair amount of guff a few seasons back for having 'ineffectual villains who weren't a legitimate threat'... Is this too far in the opposite direction?

Titan artillery is pretty cool. Fire for effect. Sad to see the scouts have to talk themselves into a suicide charge for the slimmest chance of victory.

This show is great, and I love how it explores the fatalistic mindset, but the anticipation of what's going to happen makes its pacing actually painful, in a way I won't properly appreciate until repeat viewings. Why do we do this to ourselves?

Yes, thank you. This is indeed the opposite of Hero Academia. There, villains are a joke, because they don't accomplish a thing. Here, heroes are a joke (or rather: frustrating) for the same reason.

People shouldn't pretend that SnK is *not* about mystery first and foremost: the anticipation over finding answers. Rainer's repeat survivals simply stall progression and thus the way towards more answers. If all you care about are dramatic battles, then I guess you're ok with this bs. Buy some of us want answers. And I don't need a FOURTH fight against Rainer .... -_-

[KrayZ33]

People shouldn't pretend that SnK is *not* about mystery first and foremost: the anticipation over finding answers. Rainer's repeat survivals simply stall progression and thus the way towards more answers. If all you care about are dramatic battles, then I guess you're ok with this bs. Buy some of us want answers. And I don't need a FOURTH fight against Rainer .... -_- .

That's such a huge contradiction though

If it's about mystery, Rainer survival doesn't matter. Whether it's Rainer who stops them, or Titanwarrior No. 500, doesn't change a thing.
On top of that, they already revealed a lot of the mystery - so your talk about them not accomplishing anything so far is wrong too.

The whole situation could've been written without Rainer and Berthold, but with the Ape and some new Titanform (like the Cart-titan). And they still wouldn't be one inch closer to the basement.

If they reach the basement, the whole story/mystery is basically over - if it's about that, as you pointed out, why would the author have them reach it any faster than now.

[neflight86]

54

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A moment of silence for Armin...

I expect a prisoner to get eaten next episode. Is it possible for someone to get regenerated? Like Erwin or Sasha? Doubtful, but who knows...

This episode felt blisteringly fast, yet full of content. One of the greats, and filled with my favorite thing about this show: setting up hardship into extremely gratifying payoff.

[MFauli]

OMFG KILL THEM! FINISH THEN OFG! ARGH! DONT CARRY THEM AROUND GIVING THEM ANOTHER CHANCE TO TRANSFORM! FUCK "INTERROGATION" THEY'RE TOO DANGEROUS! YOU FINALLY GOT TGEM,DO IT!!

🙈💀🙈💀🙈💀🙈

And wtf Levi! That's what happens when you carry them around! Just slash him to bits fuck!

I swear, if Rainer and Bertholt still manage to get away ...

And Armin's death was the most pointless death ever. As if the plan wouldn't have succeeded if he had let lose befoee burning crisp. That's bad writing, like someone deactivating a bomb and stopping it ONE second before it goes off.

[Buffalobiian]

Holy shit.

This episode was tight.

Good job on Levi.

I'd like to say that Armin survives, but right now I can't really imagine how. He looks pretty dead right now.

[lilphatboi88]

I think Erwin might survive. The soldier still alive probably carries Erwin in.

[KrayZ33]

Well done episode.













Just like Armin.


I didn't know/I don't remember them finding out that the Titanshifter can't transform if they are seriously hurt. Did they establish something like that in the past?

[DarthEnderX]

OMFG KILL THEM! FINISH THEN OFG! ARGH! DONT CARRY THEM AROUND GIVING THEM ANOTHER CHANCE TO TRANSFORM! FUCK "INTERROGATION" THEY'RE TOO DANGEROUS! YOU FINALLY GOT TGEM,DO IT!!
Levi made it pretty clear they need to capture at least ONE of them because they NEED to use his syringe to steal their powers, because Eren can't keep being the only Titan they have on their side fighting this war.


I didn't know/I don't remember them finding out that the Titanshifter can't transform if they are seriously hurt. Did they establish something like that in the past?Yes. When Eren was kidnapped by Reiner/Bernholdt, they kept cutting his arms off because they knew he had to finish regenerating before he could transform again.

[KrayZ33]

Levi made it pretty clear they need to capture at least ONE of them because they NEED to use his syringe to steal their powers, because Eren can't keep being the only Titan they have on their side fighting this war.

Yes. When Eren was kidnapped by Reiner/Bernholdt, they kept cutting his arms off because they knew he had to finish regenerating before he could transform again.

I see. I remember

[MFauli]

Letting the beast titan get away surely is better than getting rid of him 🙄

(and just grab the syringes from his poxkets, sheesh ...)

Best scene of the episode was Eren using his gear again. Felt kinda, like when Gohan couldnt use super saiyan because he didn't want to be revealed to his classmates at the beginning of the Boo saga.

[KrayZ33]

Letting the beast titan get away surely is better than getting rid of him ��


Nothing ventured nothing gained.

No one said it's better that he escaped.
Would've been better to get his powers over not getting it and just killing him though


(and just grab the syringes from his poxkets, sheesh ...)

huh? whose pockets are you referring to

[MFauli]

huh? whose pockets are you referring too

Or wherever he put the syringes ...

[DarthEnderX]

Letting the beast titan get away surely is better than getting rid of himI'm sure letting it get away was not part of the plan.


Or wherever he put the syringes ...He's not stealing the syringes from the Beast Titan. Remember, Levi's mentor GAVE him a syringe when he died.

That's the one Levi is going to use, but first, he needs a friendly soldier who they can be sure will be on their side when they regain their intelligence, and a titan shifter he can feed to them so that they can regain their intelligence.

I'm kinda surprised he doesn't just inject himself, but I guess he's not willing to leave it up to chance that, once he's mindless, he'll be able to eat the beast titan guy without incident. Which is good, because, as we saw, he wouldn't have gotten the chance.

[KrayZ33]

I guess Levi's boner for the blonde dude whose name I have forgotten is big enough that he is hoping to save his life with the syringe.


Or wherever he put the syringes ...

They have a cart-titan. Why would he have these big ass needles and syringes inside his pockets, lol.

However, it's not even clear if they have any leftover syringes... but they are certainly not inside his pocket, if they are - that would be really stupid, considering how fragile and dangerous that would be.

[MFauli]

Ok, Armin titan it is then. If Rainer and Bertholt get to survive 3-4 times, Armin's allowed to, too 💁

Although I kinda wanna see Mikasa titan ... for ... reasons ... 🙈❤

[DarthEnderX]

Although I kinda wanna see Mikasa titan ... for ... reasons ... ��❤Me too, but I don't want her to be Colossal or Beast. I don't want to see no giant hairy Mikasa...

[DarthEnderX]

55

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Alright, that was satisfying as hell. A Shifter is finally dead, and one of out protags has titan powers now!

I'm sure poor MFauli was pulling his hair out when Reiner got away again though.

It's almost feels like they're setting up Jean to eat him in the future. His haircut even fits the Armored Titan's form.

[MFauli]

I'm sure poor MFauli was pulling his hair out when Reiner got away again though.



:(


(It was double-bad, because they could have saved BOTH Armin and Erwin 🙈💀🙈)

[DarthEnderX]

(It was double-bad, because they could have saved BOTH Armin and Erwin ������)
Well, no, they only had one syringe.

[KrayZ33]

That was the best "we can only save one of them"-scene I've seen in a while.

I would've had absolutely no idea whom to save.

[neflight86]

Brilliant (as usual) episode. I love how the decision came down to who had farther reaching ambitions, in this case, a goal beyond saving mankind, and that Levi was able to make a level headed decision about it. Not that it was an easy choice. It may have also foreshadowed this, but Erwin also has so much blood on his hands at this point, he might no longer be fit to command (in his own mind, already struggling with guilt).

[DarthEnderX]

I wonder who's in charge of the scouts now that Erwin is dead. Is it Levi? Or Hange?


I would've had absolutely no idea whom to save.I was a bit worried that Eren and Mikasa were going to try and steamroll the decision. I'm glad that they ultimately relented and let Levi decide.

[neflight86]

I believe that Erwin promoted Hange to next in command/the person who command falls to when he spoke to her before going to his 'trial'; in case he died.

[MFauli]

New leader should be Armin. He's basically like the beast titan now, brains + titan powers. And it'd be kinda bs if Armin became a fighter now, he's never shown exceptional skills here.


I'm a bit bummed though about no Mikasa titan. Surely a doujin exists ...? ;o

[DarthEnderX]

New leader should be Armin. He's basically like the beast titan now, brains + titan powers.Maybe. We haven't seen what he's like in this new titan form yet.

Reiner and Bertholdt both seemed like they had some kinda brain damage, which may or may not have been titan-caused. So we'll have to see.

[DarthEnderX]

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Man, if the only thing we learn from The Basement is that there's people outside the walls(which we already knew), and that they're slightly more technologically advanced that the people inside the walls, I'm gonna be PISSED.

[KrayZ33]

I doubt that's all of it.

It's probably more about the history of their place and the reason why they are behind walls.
Grisha had "connections" to the royal family and knew about what they were doing.

So I don't believe the gist of it is "dude, there are others with the same problem"

[MFauli]

I'm REALLY curious what kinda bs they're going to tell us to justify living in modern piece while elssewhere people are eaten by giant monsters 🤔💁

[KrayZ33]

We already know that they , whereever Berthold, Rainer and the Beast titan is from, use Titans as weapons?

They are "warriors", the Beast Titan can order normal titans around etc. etc.

[DarthEnderX]

At the very least, I was hoping the basement was going to have more syringes of titan juice. Mikasa can be Female Titan. Jean can be Armor Titan. Connie can be weird shitty pack-mule titan. etc.

I really wish Armin had eaten the Beast Titan instead of the Colossal Titans. Considering his whole thing is thinking up plans for everyone, being a Titan that could actually talk(and apparently can control other Titans) would have been much more useful to him than being big and smokey.

[MFauli]

Beast titan is for Mikasa, to deliver a bit of furry fetish AND give her the abiliy to ... moan. 🙈❤

[neflight86]

The scene after the credits really does feel like a paradigm shift. I wonder if the rest of the season is going to center around Grisha?

Also, it makes some sense that other 'walled in' places don't have contact with this ... country? If only they have developed a means to fight and kill titans without being titans (ODM), then they probably don't travel much either.

[MFauli]

Wait a moment, random thought: why again have humans never tried to reach new land by sea? Afaik the coast line is within the walled territory.

Also can titans swim? Do they need to breathe? 🤔

[shinta|hikari]

The coastline isn't within the walled territory.

[DarthEnderX]

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Now THAT was informative!

[Buffalobiian]

Now THAT was informative!


Indeed. Who would have thought we'd see Bed-Head Mikasa.

So...

-The walled city as we know it is on Paradise Island.
-The royal family went there and turtled up instead of fighting, while wiping everyone's memories.
-Marley had control over 7 Special Titans.
-Royal family had the Coordinator.

-That leaves one more titan with special powers unaccounted for.

[MFauli]

What confuses me: Is there a way to regain consciousness as a titan WITHOUT eating an existing titan-shifter? There has to be, right?

Alao 'island', it'd be more apt to at least speak of a small continent, considering these people can't even see the sea.

[shinta|hikari]

Alao 'island', it'd be more apt to at least speak of a small continent, considering these people can't even see the sea.

LOL .

[Buffalobiian]

Japan*: the island continent nation.









(whoops. I meant Australia*)

[DarthEnderX]

What confuses me: Is there a way to regain consciousness as a titan WITHOUT eating an existing titan-shifter? There has to be, right? Does there? I assumed this episode was revealing that there were only 9 intelligent titans in the world at any given time.

So far we got:
Coordinate Titan(Eren)
Colossal Titan(Armin)
Armor Titan(Reiner)
Female Titan(Annie)
Tiny Titan(Ymir)
Beast Titan
Packmule Titan

So there's still 2 we haven't seen yet?

[MFauli]

I assumed there'd have to be more because ... was it Reiner? ... told Eren et all that they wanted to save them.

[DarthEnderX]

I assumed there'd have to be more because ... was it Reiner? ... told Eren et all that they wanted to save them.Right, but now we know that Reiner and co. are probably either working for the nation of Marley, or Owl's resistance. So the "they" they he was referring to could just be the other humans in said group.

[DarthEnderX]

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Okay so is the Founding Titan one of the Nine, or is it separate?

If it's the former, Eren is both the Attack Titan and the Founding Titan, so there's only one more unknown Shifter.


Wonder if Historia will eat Annie instead of Mikasa, so Eren can use the Coordinate's power.

Actually, I wonder if Mikasa can even become a Titan. Because only the people of Ymir's blood can become titans, and she's supposed to be some kinda Asian.


Also, looks like we got time shenanigans.

[Buffalobiian]

The founding titan is one of the 9.

You can say that "Ymir the original" was the First Titan and when she died she split into 9. The coordinator power went to the "founding titan". Call it the "Coordinator Titan" if you will. I'm not sure if the nomeclature is standardised.