Fullmetal Alchemist: Brotherhood

[narutosharingan]

That was a good episode. Things are going really fast, but I do like the pace. You can feel a darker tone to this, though I would like to see more Hughes and Mustang.

[Harima Kenji]

That was a good episode. Things are going really fast, but I do like the pace. You can feel a darker tone to this, though I would like to see more Hughes and Mustang.
I've checked it out today and this episode was actually the first ep on the 5th DVD (US version)... so the pace is a lot higher.

[Archangel]

So far i prefer the humor but find the action inferior to the original version

New watchers of FMA should definitely watch the first adaption first because this pacing fails hard

[KrayZ33]

I like it the way it is... I doubt the first is better because there is nothing wrong with the speed or pacing in general for someone who hasn't read the manga or something.

[Archangel]

Sure there is

It's just you wouldn't know about it unless you read the manga or watched the anime

[Sam98034]

I had the same skipping problem with the video, too, on this one. I just tried opening it in a different player and it worked. I tried it on real player.

Anyway, so far I believe the first adaptation was better. It had more of an epic feel to it, I guess. But this is expected. I would be very much surprised if a rushed job to get through the necessary episodes would be as good as the original that wasn't rushed.

[KitKat]

Just checking in to let you know that I really am watching this, albeit a little delayed. I think they've done a pretty good job of setting the stage so far, mixing backstory with interesting current developments so that the audience is never bored.

I have to say though that I couldn't finish this episode. The minute I saw that little girl and her fluffy dog on the screen, it all came rushing back to me how sick and horrified I felt the first time I watched this part of the story. It's somehow worse when I have to watch her being all cute and adorable, knowing what is going to happen. I had to turn it off, because I felt so ill. Hopefully next episode will be not quite as disturbing.

[Penner]

I managed to sort out what the problem was so now the eclipse releases works perfectly like they used to ^^

[Buffalobiian]

I managed to sort out what the problem was so now the eclipse releases works perfectly like they used to ^^

Care to share in case others also get this problem?

@below: Probably a Realtek HD Audio hiccup. My brother had a different problem where suddenly plugging in his headphones didn't work anymore. He had to change his Input/Output audio device specifically to "Logitech Headset" instead of the default Realtek HD Audio Input/Output device, which is the default that should work.

Anyway, edited to stop spamming the thread.

/off-topic.

And thanks :).

[Penner]

Apparently the error had something to do with the audio, im using Media Player Classic HomeCinema and this is how i fixed my problem.

Under Options>Playback>Output and then then under "DirectShow Audio" abit down in the window i originally had "Speakers (Realtek High Definition Audio)" selected, but i changed that to "Default DirectSound Device" and now all the playback problems are solved...

I'm still not clear on why this only affected the Eclipse releases and nothing else though... but atleast it works perfectly now and thats what i was going for so :P

[Marik]

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[Takuma]

Sure there is

It's just you wouldn't know about it unless you read the manga or watched the anime


Yeah I agree about the pacing. In the original FMA the pacing was amazing, but now on FMAB they revealed alot of stuff much quicker such as the ingredients for the Philosophers stone being humans. In FMA they didn't find out until episode 19 I believe.

So far I like FMA much much more the FMAB.

[SilentSnake]

Let's just hope that when we reach the point where the story is new they're going to slow down, I'm pretty sure they will though.

It's logical to make the pace high now since they've already made the story, IIRC it's the same studio after all... so basically it's all for FMA newcomers to not get confused too much.

Of course, they do miss out anyway, but they can always watch the original series if they don't feel satisfied ;)

[Buffalobiian]

Good action episode. My favourite part has to be when Al took off his helmet and the Butcher freaked out. :)

Otherwise, that sword/shapeshifter fellow is being awfully nice to a guy who keeps foiling their plans...

[Ryllharu]

shapeshifter fellow is being awfully nice to a guy who keeps foiling their plans...
You can call him/her Envy if you'd like. Lust said her name back in episode 5 (I stick with with the 'her' pronoun usually, only because the VAs have been female both times, but Envy is meant to be completely androgynous). I think Minami Takayama plays her better in this series than the previous VA did. There is more of a flippant and playful attitude to her this time around. Maybe because a shapeshifter's twisted, lying, and slightly evil personality perfectly matches that of a character like Nabiki Tendo (Ranma 1/2).

One thing I always liked about FMA is that instead of doing something like train for two weeks straight in woods or a dojo to "power up," the Elric brothers usually accomplish that by spending four days straight in the library.

[Kraco]

One of the best parts of this episode was Ed using the power the alchemist killer had been using all the time. Otherwise his fight was pretty miserable, to be honest. Al listening to the words of an enemy trying to kill him was also annoying, but then again he's a somewhat naive guy so I suppose it was believable to a degree.

Kind of surprising Envy and Lust showed themselves so openly, suddenly.

[Buffalobiian]

About that, I noticed Ed still put his hands together (for what I'll assume is the formation of a transmutation circle) before using Destruction. I don't remember Scar doing that, so either it's out of habit, or Scar's encountered further Truth.

Oh, and thanks for the names Ryll. I remembered it was a sin of some sort, but not the specific one.


Kind of surprising Envy and Lust showed themselves so openly, suddenly. That's part of why I was surprised at Envy's actions as well. Given how secretively they've been acting, I wasn't expecting them to knowingly leave witnesses.

[Carnage]

Al listening to the words of an enemy trying to kill him was also annoying, but then again he's a somewhat naive guy so I suppose it was believable to a degree.


Yeah, he is like, 12.

[SilentSnake]

Yeah, he is like, 12.

wasn't he 14 and Ed 15?

[Carnage]

tomatoe tomottoe

[Yukimura]

About that, I noticed Ed still put his hands together (for what I'll assume is the formation of a transmutation circle) before using Destruction. I don't remember Scar doing that, so either it's out of habit, or Scar's encountered further Truth.


Or Scar has a circle drawn on his body like Mustang's gloves or Armstrong's gauntlets or Kimbley's tattoos. I actually find it rather odd that Al doesn't have any circles pre-etched into his armor or something to let him do stuff without needing to chalk out a circle. Maybe etching circles onto his body would have a bad reaction with his soul seal or something though.

[Vegechan]

As someone who has read the manga, I can't complain about the pacing. The original anime really drew things out, and had plenty of filler even early in the series. The example is that this anime hasn't skipped anything yet in the manga and is just following its path with no filler (with one exception.)

I'm not saying the original is inferior, I just think that this series hasn't gotten to what sets it and the original anime apart yet.

[Sam98034]

They showed Envy's true face in the last Anime, didn't they? I haven't read the Manga, but are you saying they don't show it there? And I don't think that's a spoiler or anything, not much plot is involved in Envy's sex, I don't think.

[Sapphire]

Envy looks like a guy to me

[Kraco]

Envy looks like a tomboy to me.

[Buffalobiian]

I'm siding with a boy, mainly because of muscle definition, and that he sounds like one, from memory.

[Ryllharu]

he sounds like one, from memory.
Depends on whether you remember Minami Takayama more from Ranma or from Dectective Conan. Irene from Claymore, or Dilandau from Escaflowne?

Envy will always be a "she" to me.

[NeoCybercoin]

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Enjoy

[Penner]

Thanks ^^

Edit:

I don't think theres anything bad i can say about this ep at all, i really, really liked it.

The humour was great, the emotional parts were great, and the music was damn near perfect, i don't know if it was just me paying more attention to it than usual but it really fit perfectly.

Excellent episode.

[Ryllharu]

As much as I like Winry's half naked repair uniform, her skirt+cute jacket combo is that much better!

There was a very relaxed pacing to this episode as well. A nice change from the more hectic rush mode they've been in.

[Uberbaka]

For me this was the first ep that really reminded me of the quality of what I was watching. I just really enjoyed this ep.

[Board of Command]

How much longer before this series' storyline diverges from the originals series?

[Penner]

How much longer before this series' storyline diverges from the originals series?

I would also like to know this.

[Carnage]

If you haven't noticed, the end of the 5th laboratory was done slightly differently. It really starts to change from here. There will be small differences here and there, but the big change happens around chapter 30 and right now we're around chapter 17.

[Buffalobiian]

Nice relaxing episode without much to talk about. I wonder how seriously Al took that fight for Winry?

[NeoCybercoin]

Hughes is as awesome as ever.

[Inazuma]

Spoilers removed, user warned.

[Buffalobiian]

Spoilers.

They'd have to keep it consistent with the manga, right? So if it happens there, it should happen here.

Don't quote spoilers, Bill. It's bad habits and will one day claim your life.

[Penner]

Spoilers

I tought we werent allowed to discuss stuff from the original FMA(or the manga) in the 'remake' threads because of the people that are watching this that hasnt seen the original anime. -.-

You too. Bad, bad, bad.

[Buffalobiian]

Spoilers?? Haha, I thought it was all but announced given the way they did the preview. Ah well, if you say so.

[Kraco]

I didn't remember it from the old version, and the preview didn't especially refresh my memories either, so I deemed it a spoiler.

[SilentSnake]

If they screw up next ep it's gonna be SO disappointing...

But they won't I hope :)

Good ep, I like this very, very, very, very much so far :D

[Sapphire]

Elicia is so cute!! I love her.

Also Oh GAWD at the laughing "Fullmetal Alchemist" cutaway. I guess the guy got bored with his job and is now trying to add personality into his two lines an episode?

[Marik]

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[Board of Command]

Wow, I didn't see this coming. Hughes' death was one of the latter events in the first series. This is a pretty big event, so I guess we've officially diverged from that storyline.

[deadlydreamx]

yea i wasnt expecting it to happen this quick, and it does seem like we've finally split up from the other storytline cuz i dont think rush valley was in the original.

[Buffalobiian]

-I thought it was pretty good. Elicia's scene got me going a bit. I thought it was a bit inappropriate to have Ed's train scene right after Hughes' death without elaboration at first, but it seemed to sort of fit in, developing how good a person Hughes was.

I still liked it, but felt it could have been potentially more heart wrenching.

-I can't help but think Lust's father is Bradley. I had that hunch since she commented on reporting to her father in Central after the failed attempt at killing Scar.

-Slick-hair Mustang was pretty slick. I think I like that look more than his normal hair-down look.

---------------------------

So Kraco was right, and this wasn't at all obvious from last week's preview? :S

[Ryllharu]

yea i wasnt expecting it to happen this quick, and it does seem like we've finally split up from the other storytline cuz i dont think rush valley was in the original.
Rush Valley was in the original. It had Winry in it, so I remember it clearly (unlike most of the rest of this). It just wasn't episode 11, it was like eps 30 give or take a few.

Not gonna lie, there were tears involved during the watching of this episode.

[DarthEnderX]

Man, I was really hoping that the events of this episode were something the original series added.

Now I'm sad all over again.

[poopdeville]

I hoped Hughes would live this time.

[Carnage]

I hoped Hughes would live this time.

He is alive......in our hearts.

[SilentSnake]

Good ep, they didn't mess it up, but I still find his death more dramatic in the original series, maybe it's the music, maybe those few minor changes. Maybe I'm just grumpy ;)

overall - I also hoped Hughes would survive somehow :P

[Buffalobiian]

overall - I also hoped Hughes would survive somehow :P

I have finally realised who your avatar is.

[Archangel]

Envy is a guy

Th subject is even parodied here (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lDsSh7R2jnA)

I don't think there are any spoilers in that little OVA, but if you're a first time viewer of FMA or didn't watch the movie you might not want to watch it

[Archangel]

It's really impossible to decide weather this or the first FMA is better than the other lol

The milk scene was better handled in the original but some other jokes were dealt in a better way too

I'll agree they are both great i guess

[Archangel]

I have finally realised who your avatar is.

Epic fail Bill :p

Well Hughes was indeed an awesome character, but it was his death was one of the big factors that made the original anime so great, so i wouldn't relinquish it on this version either.

I can't help but think that it was more tragic in the first series. Maybe it was because of the special ending and the train station scene, or because i was already expecting it but it did somehow feel very inferior to me.

[Sam98034]

It came out of nowhere in the original, in my opinion. I think that's why it was so dramatic. He was one of those cool characters you just don't kill in an anime. When he died, you almost wanted to get revenge on the killers! He had a daughter and a family and everything. In the original you saw him talk about his family more, too.

[Inazuma]

True, here he didnt got enough screentime, in the original, we got used to him as the friendly comical relief bridging Roy and the Elrics.

[DarthEnderX]

He is alive......in our hearts.He's right there next to Sniper Island.


Good ep, they didn't mess it up, but I still find his death more dramatic in the original series, maybe it's the music, maybe those few minor changes. Maybe I'm just grumpy ;)They didn't have Ed seeing him on the platform at the end. That was particularly moving for me.

[Archangel]

He's right there next to Sniper Island.

They didn't have Ed seeing him on the platform at the end. That was particularly moving for me.

Lol, nice One Piece reference

Yh i mentioned that too, that scene was fantastic

[SilentSnake]

They didn't have Ed seeing him on the platform at the end. That was particularly moving for me.

That's exactly one of those few minor changes I didn't like here.

That scene, Hughes being shown more often and his friendship with Roy and Elric brothers were not as pinpointed as in the first series.

But Elicia's words about dad were as dramatic as in the first one and moved me much.

Roy's talk about rain could have stayed the same, though.

[Archangel]

So, seeing how the story is now close to diverging from the original anime, do you have any preferences so far?

When it comes to story it may be unfair to judge Brotherhood by the same standards as the original since they had to rush the story a bit to make it interesting to both new viewers and the old ones, but there are other factors like the humor that are treated in a different way in this adapatation

[Ryllharu]

They're both good in their own way.

They are rushing the new one, but we have to forgive that until they catch up. The original had Brotherhood beat on background information. Longer exams, dragged out research sessions with the Elric brothers, more about their past and Ed's general duties as a State Alchemist when not involved in some grand conspiracy.

But the humor is a much appreciate addition to the new version. The series tends to be a bit too dark without it. It was never Evangelion depressing, but it adds a nice balance to the experience. Occassionaly, the original version would get a bit too melodramtic for its own good.

It's much like the two actresses that have played Winry. While I loved the original with Megumi Toyoguchi, the Megumi Takamoto version is steadily growing on me. She's a bit more hyper, like the humor in the series, but her delivery during the serious bits is just as powerful.

[Marik]

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[Ryllharu]

Thie was jam packed with loads of reaction shots, even more than the average episode of a series staring Marina Inoue (take (http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/encyclopedia/anime.php?id=10091) your (http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/encyclopedia/anime.php?id=8536) pick (http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/encyclopedia/anime.php?id=10416)).

A nice moment between Winry and Al too, but otherwise a fairly tame episode. A healthy dose of humor coming from last week's heavy episode.

[digitalrurouni]

I think this episode was quiet good. This show can do no wrong :)

[Sam98034]

I hate to get back on boobs here (we can all agree with this, I'm sure) but Pan's seem to have gotten bigger while Winry's got smaller. Did they redo the boobs for all the characters? I wouldn't make a deal of it or anything, but it's pretty noticeable.

[Kraco]

This episode most have had the most over dramatized childbirth ever... Very amusing, though.

I don't honestly remember female characters' sizes from the older series. But at least they seem to remain reasonably consistent from episode to episode in this series, though.

[digitalrurouni]

lol I dont remember the boob sizes unfortunately either

[DarthEnderX]

Well, the old series had the third ending with Winry leaning over from the dog's point of view, and they always look big in that shot. So I suspect that's why people remember them being larger.

[Archangel]

This episode most have had the most over dramatized childbirth ever... Very amusing, though.

I don't honestly remember female characters' sizes from the older series. But at least they seem to remain reasonably consistent from episode to episode in this series, though.

I assume you mean the black chick? Yh her's looked huge to me too

[DarthEnderX]

For the arcs that have appeared in both(which is all of them so far for Brotherhood), the original was better for all of them so far.

As it stands now, to anyone new to the series, I'd recommend they watch the original first, and then switch over at the divergence point.

But even that I'm not sure of because there hasn't been a divergence, and for all I know, the anime writers are better writers than the manga writer is.


I do definitely enjoy the added humor though.

[masamuneehs]

... ... we're voting on this before the newer series ends?

i actually don't enjoy the humor as much as i did in the manga. ironically, i think the old anime is better, so far

[Carnage]

I agree with masamuneehs. This anime feels rushed, which I dont think they needed to do, just to catch up to the manga.

[Marik]

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[Testarossa Autodrive]

Noowwwww we're gettin' somewhere. I was very satisfied with this episode and I look forward to what's coming in the future as they get closer to touching on the manga.

[digitalrurouni]

Cool good to hear. I am sort of tired of waiting to see where it forks from the previous FMA release because I have not read the manga.

[Kraco]

I bet ants do have a pretty sour taste...

The scene with the first rabbit was funny.

[KrayZ33]

did they change their site again?

wasn't it eclipse.no-sekai.de like 2 days ago
and before that bt.no-sekai.de ?

or is it my imagination

[Buffalobiian]

They changed it. Just hunt them down on their IRC channel.

http://eclipse.speedsubs.org/

[Marik]

They've been using speedsubs.org for a while now. Funimation had their old tracker shut down when they went after all the groups subbing FMA.

[Buffalobiian]

I'll have to suspend my disbelief (not much else I can do), but really want to know what organs our good Master is non-fatally missing.

She mentioned a few organs, and I can only think of the spleen, 1x kidney, and if you want to push it, the gallbladder.

Earlier, they called the mishap when you transmutate a human a rebound. It didn't occur to me before, but it seems to be directly equivalent to the material you're trying to transmutate.

The Eldric brothers tried to revive an adult and lost a boy plus a lower leg. Their master tried to raise a baby and got a few organs stolen.

We haven't gotten enough information about whether the amount of "truth" learnt follows the same trend though.

[Kraco]

I very strongly suspect her womb is one of the missing organs. She was trying to resurrect a baby born dead, after all, so it would seem somewhat sarcastically equivalent (making sure she won't try to breed the normal way either, anymore).

[Penner]

God DAMN i love this show, its just so awesome, and hilarious!

And yes, ants do taste kinda sour, i know from experience ^^

[digitalrurouni]

I very strongly suspect her womb is one of the missing organs. She was trying to resurrect a baby born dead, after all, so it would seem somewhat sarcastically equivalent (making sure she won't try to breed the normal way either, anymore).

Yes I think they mentioned that in the first series of FMA.

[Uberbaka]

One of those eps where it feels too short because you just want to keep on watching.

Also as a bonus there was only a single "full metal alchemist" voice over.

[Carnage]

I think it was her liver?

edit: never mind that can't be right, I think it was her kidney.

[Sam98034]

I can't recall, but was there some weird scary jungle man in the previous one that frightened the boys? Well, I guess the jungle man wasn't manga material, then.

[Marik]

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[NeoCybercoin]

Awesome episode, humor plus serious action at the same time. It is already completely different from original FMA. I like it.

[Penner]

Hell yeah awesome!

[Archangel]

What happened to eclipse's website?

[Marik]

What happened to eclipse's website?

Huh? It's there. http://eclipse.speedsubs.org/

[Penner]

Forgot to add, Scar is fucking badass!

[Kraco]

I still can't understand why Ed doesn't use Scar's attacking method all the time. It looks like the most effective way ever to fight using alchemy.

[Board of Command]

I still can't understand why Ed doesn't use Scar's attacking method all the time. It looks like the most effective way ever to fight using alchemy.
It would make Scar less special if every alchemist, or at least the main character, fights exactly like him.

[Buffalobiian]

I wonder what happens when you take out so much carbon to your skin.....

Lack of HCO- might give you blood too acidic for normal enzyme functions.

Going along with BoC's comments about characters not gaining abilities that would make others less special, wouldn't apply to Al too if he suddenly knew more truth than Ed?

I don't think Al's going to get much of his memory back.

[Kraco]

It would make Scar less special if every alchemist, or at least the main character, fights exactly like him.

It would hardly make this the first shounen anime, where the main character learned something from an enemy, who is stronger than him.

But I guess some characters just need to prefer half-dying and losing to copying an enemy's technique and winning. That sure makes 'em special (even if in a very bad way). But then again, I always hated FMA, so my opinions are biased by default.

[Buffalobiian]

Another thing that comes to mind is wtf Greed was thinking.

Unless he means he's got a limited lifespan, that body beats a transfixed soul anyday.

We've already seen the fundamental flaw in walking in empty armour.

Even if it wasn't controllable, Scar's technique, as well as other Alchemy techniques can just smash it down. Since Alchemy is about destroying and rebuilding matter, anybody with an ability to alter metal would kill you.

If you can't have indestructibility, the next best thing you can hope for is regeneration.

[Archangel]

Huh? It's there. http://eclipse.speedsubs.org/


Wtf? Didn't it used to be http://eclipse.no-sekai.de/ ?

[RyougaZell]

Wtf? Didn't it used to be http://eclipse.no-sekai.de/ ?

They changed their website some months ago after Funi-crap-motion tried to shut them down.

[Penner]

Scar didnt specifically say he wanted an armor as a body, just something like "if its done right, one could live forever/become immortal", or am i remembering wrong?

Perhaps he already has some super-uber object or body he wants to transfer his soul to? ;P

[Buffalobiian]

That would get rid of his "easily incapacitated" part, but he'd be less indestructible without his body IMO.

Unless people stay calm and think deeply about how his current carbon armour works, they won't get through it. Objects, meanwhile, have properties that are relatively known my folks, and would lead to an easier defeat.

Who knows. Maybe he has some weird superobject in place like you said. :rolleyes:

[JaySee]

No one else found it weird that the dirty politician made an appearance without that story arc being shown?

[Dark Dragon]

No one else found it weird that the dirty politician made an appearance without that story arc being shown?

They can simply show it as a flashback later if the need arises instead of wasting an entire episode to such a minor side-story.

[JaySee]

They showed a newspaper article about it in a previous episode, but first time watchers will be confused as to why he wants revenge against the brothers so badly.

[Buffalobiian]

No one else found it weird that the dirty politician made an appearance without that story arc being shown?

Is this that crook who came to get Scar? I can't say I want to know any more about him. Seems too chicken to make much of a good villian.

[poopdeville]

This is close to the part of the story that bored me in the last series. Roa -- the army looking guy -- is pretty cool though.

I'm with Buffalobiian about Greed -- what was the thinking? -- but for different reasons. He and Edward could have settled things peacefully if he had said, "Well, I didn't want to use force. We just want to talk about something important. I just want your secret, and I will give you mine." and untied Al. Heck, I'm sure Al would have stayed if he had said that before Ed got there.

[enkoujin]

Ah, but a key fact that you're forgetting is the infamous taboo the Elric brothers have committed - that of reviving their mother. I am pretty sure it's been established now that trying to recreate a human through alchemy (artificially in Eclipse's subs) ultimately produces a homunculus as opposed to what nature intended (shown in the Rush Valley episode).

Anyway, because Ed and Al have disdain themselves for transmuting a homunculus, I speculate it is in their nature to distrust all homunculus. After all, they have also had a recent and awful encounter with other homunculus with the Ouroboros Tattoo at Research Laboratory 5. Why should Ed trust Greed, another homunculus, who kidnapped Al to lure Ed into an apparent trap?

That's analogous to me kidnapping your wife to lure you into my lair surrounded by very suspicious henchmen so I can talk to you about an exchange of information like stock portfolios and celebrity gossip. Bad example, I know.

Also, what makes Greed think that he's dealing with honest people? Al can put up a decent fight against his own henchmen and it would be troubling to take on two people at once if Greed was fighting them. If he were to untie Al, Ed and Al might team up against you...after all, they are notoriously stereotyped State Alchemists (they seem to have annihilated Scar's village) who are beckoned at the command of the Fuehrer/Fuhrer.

[poopdeville]

Anyway, because Ed and Al have disdain themselves for transmuting a homunculus, I speculate it is in their nature to distrust all homunculus. After all, they have also had a recent and awful encounter with other homunculus with the Ouroboros Tattoo at Research Laboratory 5. Why should Ed trust Greed, another homunculus, who kidnapped Al to lure Ed into an apparent trap?

Greed didn't kidnap Al to lure Ed into a trap. Greed wanted to talk. He was hoping that Al had the secret for affixing souls. Al didn't know the secret, but was very interested in learning about homunculi because it requires making an artificial body. Artificial body + soul affixing = "human". The way Al sounded, he seemed like he would have made the deal himself, if he knew the secret.

Also, Al was the one who attacked Greed's henchmen. The henchmen just asked him to come over for a talk, about things they shouldn't be talking about in public. Al was just a whiny little kid. Using force to make Al move was bad. But it could have been solved with an apology, especially since nobody got hurt.



That's analogous to me kidnapping your wife to lure you into my lair surrounded by very suspicious henchmen so I can talk to you about an exchange of information like stock portfolios and celebrity gossip. Bad example, I know.


Yes, and I if I got there during a rescue operation my wife was not tied up, calm, and said that it was a misunderstanding and that they had vital information for us, I wouldn't just attack. Of course, Greed would have had to let go of Al for it to have been "just a misunderstanding". Which is what I was getting at.


Also, what makes Greed think that he's dealing with honest people? Al can put up a decent fight against his own henchmen and it would be troubling to take on two people at once if Greed was fighting them. If he were to untie Al, Ed and Al might team up against you...after all, they are notoriously stereotyped State Alchemists (they seem to have annihilated Scar's village) who are beckoned at the command of the Fuehrer/Fuhrer.

That's a risk you take when you make any kind of deal. Greed was still trying to make a deal, and Ed rejected it, because Greed was trying to use strong arm negotiation tactics. This is my point. Greed was willing to take that risk. But he should have done it in good faith.

[enkoujin]

Yeah, hence the word I used: "apparent". It looked like a trap. Here you are, just innocently sweeping the street of a local meat shop and bam, a note comes falling down from the sky saying


We know your secret. Come to Devil's Nest.

Would you not find it odd and suspicious that this or these unknown people, who delivered a crumpled up note claiming to have "known your secret", inviting you to a meeting place which you are unfamiliar with?

I do not know about your customs and your regional faux pas, but if I had received a letter from strangers who "know my secret", my impulse would instantly tell me that these strangers are dangerous people. Stalkers can uncover one's secrets and last time I checked, that kind of act is no sign of gratitude or hospitality at all.

Then you have a man who appears to be greeting you warmly. By the way, he also has a sword with him. Back in the day, I knew lots of men who tried to greet me warmly and offered free candy and ice cream in their vans. Oops! That was not the ice cream man, dear sir. That was a predatory pedophile, an acronym commonly known as PP (I'll stop now).

I agree with you that Al seemingly was the aggressor here and going alone was very irresponsible, though. There were like three people at the entrance of Devil's Nest and more numbers resided inside the building.


Yes, and I if I got there during a rescue operation my wife was not tied up, calm, and said that it was a misunderstanding and that they had vital information for us, I wouldn't just attack. Of course, Greed would have had to let go of Al for it to have been "just a misunderstanding". Which is what I was getting at.


Al was tied up.
Al might have been brainwashed by these henchmen.
Martel (snake chimera) was still inside Al's body constricting his movements.
Should these kidnappers not be punished?


When you are involved in a situation with strangers, it would be irresponsible to let your guard down. Cynicism is kicking in on both sides. If you let your guard down during an intense moment like this, then it's over. You do not screw around recklessly in a hostage-kidnapping incident. You do not know if Greed just wanted to have a talk that also benefited you as well.


That's a risk you take when you make any kind of deal. Greed was still trying to make a deal, and Ed rejected it, because Greed was trying to use strong arm negotiation tactics. This is my point. Greed was willing to take that risk. But he should have done it in good faith.

If Greed had acted in any other different way than what we have now, it would be against his philosophy he has lived with his entire life.


I'm greedy, so I want money, women, status, fame, and everything else in this world! And I want eternal life!

It would make total sense for Greed to just take the information he wants without having to give up anything at all.

[fireheart]

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[Testarossa Autodrive]

Good God, yes. Finally. The moment I've been waiting for! I'm very excited now that we're getting into the manga plot, but it's been a very long time since I've read it. :3 I'll have to brush up...

[jimtacticz]

hey where do you get the subs for this because when i try to go to their torrent site it is down do you use scarywater?

[mage]

www.tokyotosho.info

http://eclipse.speedsubs.org/

God damn, the fight with Greed and Bradley was sick good. The action scenes prior to this didn't seem too good.. I guess they weren't trying too hard before.

[Penner]

God DAMN indeed, That was the most badass shit ive seen in a long time!!

[KrayZ33]

this ep was awesome, bloody stuff!

Greed was so cool 8[

[Penner]

Wrath is the fucking SHIT, that is one awesome 60year old. I wish i look like that when im 60 O.o

[Buffalobiian]

Now that was some good action. Since they went into how Al should have known more truth because he sacrificed more last episode, I hope he'll actually follow up and spill the beans. Simply saying "I learned nothing useful" is disappointing. It's like he gave up the rest of his body for nothing. The least they can do is make him more competent at alchemy.

[masamuneehs]

catapulting through storyline. lots of Homunculi and even some 'father' this episode. as everyone said, the action was off the charts this episode. i would have liked Greed to have gotten some more screen time, but I see that they've still got a lot of ground to cover.

[EpyonNext]

Wrath just went from cool in the last anime to FUCKING BAMF(this season) in less than 10 minutes.

[DarthEnderX]

That's cause he was Pride in the last series, and Wrath is always cooler than Pride. :p

[ForteCross]

they showed way too much in this episode...

[Penner]

Theres no such thing as showing 'too much' ^^

Edit:

Well, perhaps in extreme cases there is, like if they tried to put 20 manga chapters into one ~20min ep or something ridiculous, but this ep was fantastic.

[Kraco]

I say they show too much when they make an onsen/beach episode and show Winry's granny topless. But not before.

[November 11]

Wrath keep damaging the Ultimate Shield. Greed didnt have enough time to transform fully due to the attack speed?

[DarthEnderX]

His ultimate eye is probably doing something like picking up tiny weaknessess in the shield and he's hitting those weaknesses.

[Buffalobiian]

Wrath keep damaging the Ultimate Shield. Greed didnt have enough time to transform fully due to the attack speed?

He never allowed Greed to transform fully. If you remember from last episode, Ed pointed out that Greed cannot harden and regenerate at the same time. As long as he has to keep regenerating, he can't fully concentrate on hardening.

One of my favourite parts was where Bradley totally didn't give a shit and just stabbed into Al.

[Testarossa Autodrive]

One of my favourite parts was where Bradley totally didn't give a shit and just stabbed into Al.

This reminds me of the part later on when Al 'woke up' and Armstrong told him they opened him up to get Marta's body out of him. >_> Jeeze, that's gotta fuck you up, no?

[Ryllharu]

Though Bradley was about as badass as we've seen so far, Greed still takes this episode for me.

The lines he has while he is burning into the vat are just as good as Wrath's swordplay. He holds just as much badassery for not succumbing to the fear of death and staying true to his evil self to the absolute end, even as he in engulfed.

[fireheart]

Well since ep 15 don't seem to be out quite yet figured I'd post it here for now, the new op. Shows of new characters and a bunch of action and what I'm gonna guess is kinda spoilerish (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=92--Cv8O9bM)

[yallo]

Ah so Wrath was someone else in the first anime... no wonder I got confused while watching this episode, something just didn't feel quite right.

It's a little disappointing that Greed got killed off almost immediately. More action would have been good.

[Archangel]

Lol, they censored the crucification again

http://www.onemanga.com/Full_Metal_Alchemist/31/16/

They did it with the english adaptation of the manga too

Well, the next episode is 100% new material so i won't forgive any rushing of the plot

[Buffalobiian]

Well, I guess censoring that isn't at all unappropriate. Unless the cross has bigger implications to the story later on, taking off two slabs of drawn concrete could save you a lot of potential trouble.

[itadakimasu]

i only read the first few chapters of the manga so the storyline is new to me... I thought the episode was amazing. The story is really coming along rather fast.

marta/martel died in the same way from the first series... but I recall her death being alot more dramatic in the original series. I'm really excited for this series after this episode ^^

[LaZie]

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[Testarossa Autodrive]

I was wondering when this would be posted! Man, I just adore Ling. He's so hilarious. ;3

Not really looking forward to what's coming in the next two episodes or so... T_T Sooo sad.

[Buffalobiian]

What the hell is Eclipse doing......

[Marik]

Their FMA translator is AWOL.

[capoi]

This episode impressed me much but just 1 thing bothering me about Ed come to save Al. My member told me, it suppose to be Izumi the housewife come to save Al because Ed should be at somewhere else. I can't remember the first series. Including this episode, did they already catch up and cover the first series?

[itadakimasu]

capoi, this series is following the original manga storyline.

The first series strayed at some point. I recall the meeting with greed coming a little later in the series, and under different circumstances. The basics of the fight were the same but ed kills him in the first series.

Good thing about being busy the past 2 weeks is that I just had 13, and 14 2 days in a row and now 15 is out so i can watch it later ^^

[Penner]

This show is so awesomeeeeeeee!

Fucking LEAGUES ahead of Naruto and Bleach, even when they are showing non-fillers.

[EinReB23]

Episode 15 by Eclipse

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[Assassin]

do any of you guys know if there is a bulk torrent for the first 15 eps out there?

And also, how do i distinguish the new series from the original when searching? is it labelled differently, or is there a different title or something?

[Penner]

Not sure if theres a bulk one out but the new 'remake' version is called "Fullmetal Alchemist: Brotherhood" so that should help you find em ^^

Edit:

Actually, just searched Nyaatorrents and found this: [TMD-ASU-KNS]_Fullmetal_Alchemist_Brotherhood_01-14_[H264-720p] (http://www.nyaatorrents.org/?page=torrentinfo&tid=73570)

[Buffalobiian]

I can't complain about the timing of new OPs and EDs, since I'll expect things to be where everything gets different from the forum reactions, but I don't really like either songs. They sound so insignificant that I've got no problems skipping them every week from now on.

The episode itself was one of the more enjoyable ones so far, being a good mix of cool action and humor at the right time.

Hawkeye was sexy, and I lolled when Scar reveals his cute/tiny-creature weakness.

[Harima Kenji]

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Both links are the same :D

This is the link to the MKV version: Click (http://torrents.speedsubs.org/eclipse/%5bEclipse%5d%20Fullmetal%20Alchemist%20Brotherhoo d%20-%2015%20(1280x720%20h264)%20%5b9FEEB416%5d.mkv.tor rent)

[DarthEnderX]

Ahh, now this was awesome.

This is the first episode that really FEELS like content I haven't seen before. It's all new stuff going on. And I'm loving it.

Al doesn't need a circle anymore, there's awesome Chinese people and their alchemy works on living things. Fun stuff!

[Kraco]

Hawkeye was sexy, and I lolled when Scar reveals his cute/tiny-creature weakness.

What's that? I thought he was about to kill the girl, but was stopped at the last moment when the girl noticed his mixed east-west tattoo.

It's still amazing how everybody but Scar fails so much at fighting with alchemy. Lots of wasted energy and effort (not to mention destroying the surroundings) and practically no results.

[Buffalobiian]

What's that? I thought he was about to kill the girl, but was stopped at the last moment when the girl noticed his mixed east-west tattoo.

Lol, talk about a difference in interpretation. :p

I'm pretty sure he wanted to touch that little panda. Knowing Scar, he'd have no issues about killing someone he's set his mind to, let alone the shocked/embarrassed expression of being caught red-handed.

After Kraco made me rewatch that scene though, I noticed something which I hadn't before in all that fast-paced action. That huge all-the-way-around scar on Scar's bicep, just above where the tattoo ends.

Remembering his words from some time ago, when the child from the slums who rescued him from the sewers asked the same tattoo, he commented it was something he received.

That, with the scar and knowledge that Eastern Alchemy can heal living tissue makes me highly suspicious that he didn't just receive the tattoo, but the entire arm from his brother.

[masamuneehs]

new OP and ED... neither are memorable at all... I'll miss the first OP.

Scar, what a hilarious rag-tag team he has with him now. May will surely pull her weight, considering she can heal wounds. I thought the last scene with Yoki asking Scar about his name was the most interesting, non-comical moment in the episode.

The best moment? Barry's love at twelfth bullet for Hawkeye. She's so cool. Runner up was the quick cut with Winry suddenly working on Ed's arm and the bloody wrench lying in the corner.

The action was good, but nothing incredible like in 14. I thought they shoved a bit too much of the concepts about Eastern alchemy at us. Did a great job bringing in the new characters and making them all pretty interesting. I'm interested to see how they handle the pacing from here on out. It'll have to move fast, but I hope they don't make it too much so.

[Uberbaka]

Ahaa.. I thought he was going to sneakily kill the panda..

[DarthEnderX]

Yeah, I thought he thought it was another alchemical chimera since the panda seems...I dunno, humanish in demeanor. And he was about to blow that shit up.

[Buffalobiian]

You all are weird people....

[Archangel]

Gotwoot is thirsty for blood apparently

[DarthEnderX]

I don't think people were unjustified thinking that. Scar killed almost every Alchemist he's met in the series. I don't know why people think its weird he might try and kill this alchemist and her little familiar.

[Archangel]

This scar isn't like the old one, he doesn't think alchemists are evil

He only goes after the ones who were involved with the destruction of his homeland ( i think... )

[Marik]

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[Abdula]

Yes, Scar isn't a homicidal psychopath who kills any alchemists he encounters. Originally Scar was simply out to get revenge against those who were responsible for the slaughter of his people but now Scar intends to judge anyone who goes against God.

He killed Tucker because he used his wife and his daughter as raw materials to create a chimera, and Nina was a mercy killing. All the other Alchemist he killed were directly involved in the Ishval massacre and he intends to kill Ed because Ed attempted human transmutation.

[Archangel]

No, because he's a state alchemist.

Again, i think you're confusing his motives from the first season with this one

[Penner]

oooh new ep!

[Abdula]

Yeah you're right he does want to kill him because he is a state alchemist but he does want to kill state alchemists because he believes they go against God.

[Ryllharu]

Winry's tears make me cry too!

A fairly moving episode. There wasn't a whole lot else to say about it, since it was largely a conclusion to Hughes' death, and a set up episode. It was obvious who the guy's girlfriend was as soon as Lust said she had a date. No shocker there, she's got that name for a reason.

[Penner]

I'd hit it.

Anyway, yeah, was a pretty sad ep, except for that prince and his fainting problem ;P

[Buffalobiian]

And hence he's got no reason to kill the girl who just healed him.

Or her panda.

[Prof. Chaos]

http://www.animefreak.tv/watch/fullmetal-alchemist-brotherhood-episode-16-online

Been catching them online.

[Kraco]

Scar's a bad guy. He can kill people without much of a reason. He wouldn't be much of a villain otherwise.

[Abdula]

Let's not start labeling people yet Kraco

[itadakimasu]

The original FMA is in my top 3 series of all time. I thought it was so well done and really liked how it came to an end. Even the movie was good and broke from the usual naruto type filler movies.

I didn't know what to think when I heard that they were remaking it... but it is really good !

So here is the reason for this thread... If they keep it up and this 2009 version is just amazing, what happens next? if you were trying to suggest an anime series to somebody would you be like... FMA!... but watch the 2nd version?

I just think the first go around was so good, and if this 2009 remake is amazing also, which one will survive?

[Archangel]

Survive? Why would anyone have to choose between the 2? Why not just watch both?

[Archangel]

I agree with masamuneehs. This anime feels rushed, which I dont think they needed to do, just to catch up to the manga.

This aspect has been considerably toned down ever since they got to the exclusive manga material

[Ryllharu]

Survive? Why would anyone have to choose between the 2? Why not just watch both?
You almost have to. Brotherhood needed to rush what had already been covered by the original series, and they cut out a number of arcs and scenes. Until the recent episodes, the series felt horribly rushed.

[Archangel]

You almost have to. Brotherhood needed to rush what had already been covered by the original series, and they cut out a number of arcs and scenes. Until the recent episodes, the series felt horribly rushed.

Actually, i'd like to hear the opinion of someone who hasn't watched the first season. Maybe it just felt rushed like that to use because we knew all the stuff that was missing from the last anime adaptation.

[KrayZ33]

Actually, i'd like to hear the opinion of someone who hasn't watched the first season. Maybe it just felt rushed like that to use because we knew all the stuff that was missing from the last anime adaptation.

I didn't watch the first one

The second one isn't rushed at all..

you know I can't say much more about it... "it's not rushed", is pretty much all I can say.
you could say it's fast paced, because you see many new and different characters each episode.. but thats not a negative thing imho.

I don't know what parts didn't make it into the second anime, but at least I don't have the *feeling* that something is missing.
If someone would ask me about the story, I'll have no problems to explain it.

[Archangel]

Well there a few things that in my opinion should have been mentioned, but as i suspected if one didn't know about them beforehand they don't really take anything out of the story

I'm sure they'll all be explained eventually later in the anime

[itadakimasu]

Krayz, are you going to watch the first one after this show has concluded?

[itadakimasu]

I saw the original anime and only read the first couple of volumes of the manga so I haven't really felt that it's rushed, aside from the part w\ the chimera's... that was a more involved storyline in the first anime and in this one it just all happened really suddenly and didn't have any kind of build up. When marta died in the first series it was kinda emotional and what not but she had no charactor buiild up and then just died quickly in this one.

[KrayZ33]

uhm maybe ye, if I can get it from a friend or I'll visit to a stream-side.
I won't download it though (because it's been licensed for such a long time here :/)

I want to see the fights in the first series, from what I've seen in AMVs etc, they look great too

[Marik]

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[darkmetal505]

I've seen the original and keep up with the manga. I don't feel that Brotherhood is fast-paced and it seems to be following the storyline spot on.

[Prof. Chaos]

Thanks. Though has anyone else compared the HD to the SD?

[DarthEnderX]

Well that was like the most blatantly faked death ever.


Also, TWO BARRYS?! What is going on!!

[Buffalobiian]

Do all likable characters have to die?

First Hughes, and next week, it looks like Barry. (that guy really does like being shot by chicks)

About Barry, all he remembers is having his soul being taken out of his body, he didn't witness exactly what they did with it. We just assumed it was used as a sacrifice to make 2nd-grade Philosopher's Stones.

Faked death it was. Could they have made it believable even to the audience though? I'm pretty sure no matter what happened, we would still believe Ross lived.

Except if Bradley diced or up or something. I don't think that guy messes up often. Nor is it in his interest to let the truth out.

[Testarossa Autodrive]

I'm kind of regretting reading the manga and knowing what to expect, now. And yet at the same time I'm not. I can't friggin' wait for the plot to thicken.

[Penner]

I'm really liking that chinese(?) prince, he's hilarious ^^

[Archangel]

Faked death it was. Could they have made it believable even to the audience though? I'm pretty sure no matter what happened, we would still believe Ross lived.

They did a much better job with it on the manga, so much so that i actually entertained the possibility of it being real for a while

Also, why the hell is the anime skipping on so many scenes from the manga? Do they have a limit of episodes they're allowed to air? They've skipped some hilarious bits...

[LaZie]

Released by Eclipse


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[itadakimasu]

your link is broken...

I went to mininova.org http://www.mininova.org/tor/2817366

[LaZie]

Oops. Fixed!

Thanks for pointing that out. Silly me.

[poopdeville]

...

Thanks. And here I thought dental records were conclusive.

[Buffalobiian]

...

Thanks. And here I thought dental records were conclusive.

Dental records are probably like fingerprints. Like fingerprints, the results are only as creditable as the data file's security.

[Archangel]

Why would anyone want to watch any version other than eclipse?

[Marik]

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[Penner]

Good stuff!

[Board of Command]

OH NOES

Please don't hurt Lt. Hawkeye. :(

[SilentSnake]

OH NOES

Please don't hurt Lt. Hawkeye. :(

this.

In the preview there are scenes without Gluttony near her so I hope she'll be just fine :)

If not - oh come on... Mustang already lost Hughes, losing Hawkeye would leave him (and us, viewers :D ) officially braindead!

[narutosharingan]

I gotta say, I loved the original series, but this one seems even better at times. The more Barry, the better.

[EpyonNext]

Classic Armstong at his finest.

[Penner]

Classic Armstong at his finest.

So very true

[depthcharge]

I remember the original FMA plot being "pro" homunculus faction. Its great to see the Colonel being able to pull a houdini on the gal.

Then at the end where we have the Hawkeye sniper covering "3 man" vs a modified soul ... kind of epic to have the sniper getting a shot on the hand while the 2 man 1 Armor missing like they drank the anti-felixes potion.

Finally, I really hope Hawkeye dont become chow... IT is not right if u save one gal and the another get killed.

[Buffalobiian]

Finally, I really hope Hawkeye dont become chow... IT is not right if u save one gal and the another get killed.

Especially if she's the prettier one. That whole Elizebeth conversation was pretty sweet. I realised the whole Elizebeth thing was an act, but not an operation in its own right.

[Prof. Chaos]

I would argue that Riza Hawkeye is the best non-alchemist character.

[Testarossa Autodrive]

I'm quite partial to Havoc as the best non-alchemist character, although - personally - I'm not generally inspired (ever) by female characters. We don't get to see much of what Havoc is capable of, however, which is quite unfortunate. I won't say anything more. >_>

[Buffalobiian]

Who was Havoc again?

[enkoujin]

Cigarette guy under Colonel Mustang who has Lust (Solaris) as his current girlfriend.

[Kraco]

I'm quite partial to Havoc as the best non-alchemist character, although - personally - I'm not generally inspired (ever) by female characters.

Havoc couldn't hit a huge rotting corpse a couple of meters away with an automatic gun; his bestness is somewhat questionable.

I also surely hope Hawkeye won't die. However, this seems to be a positive series in the sense that characters can perish when necessary, so it could happen. Although they probably can't thin out the good guys' rows endlessly. The bad guys were complaining they lack manpower as well but the good guys are in no better position for sure. Plus they never know who they can trust.

[Marik]

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[Harima Kenji]

Very good episode! Kept me on the edge of my seat the whole episode long. The pure awesomeness that is Roy Mustang really showed in this episode. With the openly appearance of Hohenheim things are gonna get really interesting.
I really thought that Lust would die in the last episode..

[Kraco]

One of the best episodes so far if not the best. Lust's death was also one of the best deaths I've seen in anime.

I wonder if the ep was so good because Ed had so little screen time. The dude has seriously been an underperformer so far.

[Uberbaka]

Bloody amazing, best episode by far.

I'm an anime only fma viewer and I'm loving the new storyline so much.

[Marik]

I'm an anime only fma viewer and I'm loving the new storyline so much.
Agreed.

I've never seen the first series or read the manga, so everything is new to me and I'm highly enjoying it.

[Besu]

This eps was amazing, I loved every bit of it.

Who has a feeling Barry soul might have 'transferred' back to his body?

[ForteCross]

i would say watch the first half of the original, then start with brotherhood. most likely it will feel like a reminder of the past episodes... by they way, anyone know how many charapters will brotherhood have?

[Uberbaka]

Personally as an original anime viewer I would say watch all of the first one, then watch the new one.

As long as you keep an open mind to the split they are both (or atleast from what I've seen of brotherhood without reading the manga) excellent stories and I don't mind more content (even diverging) for the sake of seeing more of the characters/universe.

[Penner]

Man, that ep was like a gift from the god of awesome.

[NeoCybercoin]

Mustang>Ed any day now. That dude is badass. I've only seen the original anime but this is already way better. Action and story wise.

So many incinerations in rapid succession. Almost feel sorry for Lust.
I did laugh at the part where Mustang says how he understands why he fell for it.

[Ryllharu]

I suppose that somewhere between the first series and this one that I had been wondering why everyone thought Mustang was so badass, and I guess the proof is in the pudding. The brutality of all the fighting in this episode was great. Nothing was as clean and full of finesse as Bradley's fight with Greed was.

Al is better than Ed too.

I liked how well the humorous parts were able to temporarily break the tension at key intervals, allowing the more dramatic parts in the white-lit room to really shine.

[Buffalobiian]

One of the best episodes so far if not the best.

The best. Easily.

The animation was pure eyecandy. Al looked kickass in this scene (http://randomc.maximum7.net/image/Fullmetal%20Alchemist/Fullmetal%20Alchemist%20-%2019%20-%20Large%2026.jpg) even while on the defensive.

I've always wanted an Al x Winry pairing, even if the date was only for a little while, so this episode fulfilled a bit of that, even if the feeling was mutually romantic. Like Ryll said, the tension breaking was superb. I cracked up completely when Al's arm fell off.


Who has a feeling Barry soul might have 'transferred' back to his body?

I got the feeling he's gone for good. From what we know, the soul leaves the transfixed item once you erase the mark, and we've got nothing to suggest it automatically goes into your original body if it's nearby, let alone an occupied body.

If that was the case, you would have had to separate the body from the soul during extraction in Barry's case, and put him into the armour, since his body wasn't destroyed like Al's was.

I really liked Barry, but I've got no complaints since he went the way he did. It wasn't a cheap "oh, side character not needed any more. Slice" ending. Whatever crazed soul in there was overcame by his body's sincere urge to get its soul back. It reflects the exact same feelings Ed and Al have had all along.

It's only human.

[alpha826]

as great as this episode was, there were a whole bunch of scenes from the manga that got cut out that i was wish stayed in.We don't need the manga specifics in an anime thrread. Who knows, it might still happen later.

[depthcharge]

bloody hell. Burning himself to heal his wound?

That is amazing if it can be done... or was it him trying to perform healing alchemy but fail terribly.

[Buffalobiian]

bloody hell. Burning himself to heal his wound?

That is amazing if it can be done... or was it him trying to perform healing alchemy but fail terribly.

He stated that Healing Alchemy wasn't something he was good at. The quickest thing for him to do was to burn his wounds to seal the blood. I doubt failing at healing would cause a rebound burn. It would just fail. ie the wound would still be there.

Human Transmutation rebound was another thing altogether.

[Kraco]

bloody hell. Burning himself to heal his wound?

That is amazing if it can be done... or was it him trying to perform healing alchemy but fail terribly.

There's nothing strange about that. Surely you have seen cauterization in plenty of movies before. He did nothing but stop the bleeding.

[DarthEnderX]

So much win.

When Roy first ripped the stone out of Lust and she dusted I was thinking, "Man, the homonculus in this series are WAY easier to kill than in the first one." But it turned out not to be the case. :p


And there's no way Barry is dead!

[depthcharge]

The situation under which Barry died... lol... Al didnt even bother to pick his pieces up.

[Belial]

was beginning to think that the old series was far better then the new and thinking of dropping this one, but wow this episode so good that there is no way I'm gonna drop it now

[DarthEnderX]

Well, I still think that the parts of the story that are covered in both series, specifically the first 15 episodes or so of this one, are still way better in the old series. It's just much more fleshed out and less rushed.

But now that we're into the new stuff, this series is completely awesome.

[Uberbaka]

I'm hesitant to think of the two series' as competing... I like them both as different stories.

[Buffalobiian]

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[Kraco]

A nice enough episode, even without huge battles.

I hope Winry is falling for Ed.

[NeoCybercoin]

So basically what they dragged out of the "truth" with their Human Transmutation was the body of someone else? Most likely someone who attempted to do the same.

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[Buffalobiian]

So basically what they dragged out of the "truth" with their Human Transmutation was the body of someone else? Most likely someone who attempted to do the same.

Hmm, I didn't think of it like that, but it's interesting that you mention it. Ed was saying how confident he was that he can get Al's body back after that episode, but I didn't really see how, besides showing that it existed.

I also noticed that the Truth in Ed's vision had a solid right arm and partially solid left leg, so that should mean it's possible to get those back too.

As for dragging someone else's body back the first time... it's a possibility, but other than acknowledging it's a possibility, I don't know what to think of it.

The whole "equivalent exchange" thing will have to be factored in too. We've been told that Ed and Al's bodies have been exchanged for knowledge, or truth. That leaves all the chemicals they used in the beginning. Conventional thoughts are that Ed and Al transmutated the body with those materials, so the above idea would suggest that it was instead exchanged for someone else's body. (subtle, bud distinct difference).

If that was the case though, then

Al's body = knowledge ( "=" meaning equivalent and exchangable)
Black body = raw materials

If each "body" is equivalent, then that means the truth Ed and Al learnt would have been obtainable with raw materials somehow. Because that seems unlikely, I'm not so confident with that line of thought. It's still interesting though.

[DarthEnderX]

I notice Hoenheim in this series gives off a kind of Gendo Ikari vibe.


This episode was an interesting twist for me as a watcher of the previous series.

[NeoCybercoin]

Hmm, I didn't think of it like that, but it's interesting that you mention it. Ed was saying how confident he was that he can get Al's body back after that episode, but I didn't really see how, besides showing that it existed.

I also noticed that the Truth in Ed's vision had a solid right arm and partially solid left leg, so that should mean it's possible to get those back too.

As for dragging someone else's body back the first time... it's a possibility, but other than acknowledging it's a possibility, I don't know what to think of it.

The whole "equivalent exchange" thing will have to be factored in too. We've been told that Ed and Al's bodies have been exchanged for knowledge, or truth. That leaves all the chemicals they used in the beginning. Conventional thoughts are that Ed and Al transmutated the body with those materials, so the above idea would suggest that it was instead exchanged for someone else's body. (subtle, bud distinct difference).

If that was the case though, then

Al's body = knowledge ( "=" meaning equivalent and exchangable)
Black body = raw materials

If each "body" is equivalent, then that means the truth Ed and Al learnt would have been obtainable with raw materials somehow. Because that seems unlikely, I'm not so confident with that line of thought. It's still interesting though.

Well I think of it like this. For human transmutation it would require the raw materials to create the body and the "data" of the person you are creating.. So the materials and the "data" of that person are 2 separate things. So they can't complete it without the data of that person. Only by opening the "truth" can that data of a person go through. But by opening the "truth", it automatically engages another trade.

So the "truth" trades it's knowledge of itself for part of the person who opens it. If they want to or not. So it's like a forced trade. ( I say trade because it's shorter then Equivalent Exchange )

Yeah that's the best I can explain it for now =\

[depthcharge]

Granny says that Hohemheim is a good person. hmm I donnu, as far as his ability to take care of his children... I rate him at fail.

[LaZie]

Is there no episode 21 this week? Looked on tokyotosho and there appears to be no raw so thats what i'm assuming.

[Marik]

Indeed, it didn't air this week due to the 12th IAAF World Championships in Athletics.

[Archangel]

Indeed, it didn't air this week due to the 12th IAAF World Championships in Athletics.

How does one thing relate to the other? You mean the championship took its slot in the programming?

Below: They couldn't think of anything else to take out the air? >_>

Edit to even more below: /facepalm

Yeah, that would make sense...

[Carnage]

Yes that is obviously what he meant.

[Buffalobiian]

Below: They couldn't think of anything else to take out the air? >_>

Live broadcast perhaps?

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[LaZie]

The ending was certainly intense. Can't wait for next week!

I'm betting Havok won't be useless for long.

[NeoCybercoin]

I would like to know more about the fact that Xing and the other's can "sense" homunculus.

[Marik]

Damn, it ended just when it was getting good. Hopefully Lan Fan isn't too messed up.

[Kraco]

Havok will be healed by the little alchemist who already healed Scar earlier?

[Marik]

Havok will be healed by the little alchemist who already healed Scar earlier?
Yeah that's what I'm thinking, the kid with the panda cub. Scar is there, so she should be as well.

[Ryllharu]

I would like to know more about the fact that Xing and the other's can "sense" homunculus.
It seemed like Ran Fan and whatshisface could tell that Gluttony had many "lives" within him. Perhaps they are sensing something like ki?

If so, they could tell that Gluttony had consumed a number of people, and thus know by that sensation that he or someone like him is nearby.

[Penner]

aaaahhh the Führer President is so god damn cool.

This show really is ridiculously awesome, not to mention hilarious!

[Marik]

aaaahhh the Führer President is so god damn cool.

I hope Ed, Al, Roy & the others, find out that he's Wrath soon and get revenge for Hughes.

[animus]

Any one happen to know a good site that'll stream this in rather good quality? Torrents, and DDL for video doesn't work on my PS3.