Hunter x Hunter 2011

[Kraco]

The man had just sat too long behind a desk twiddling papers and lost his touch. It doesn't prove Pitou is strong, only that the chairman was rusty. He's now planning to attack the king himself and leave Pitou for others, so it hardly sounds like he considers Pitou unbeatable.

Pretty much every real fight of a human vs ant has shown one thing more clear than anything else: Long experience matters just as much as awesome aura. Even brats like Gon and Killua are veritable battle scarred veterans compared to these ants who are all under a year old, I believe. Sometimes experience doesn't save the human, like it didn't Kaito, but then again, there're many factors affecting the outcome of a fight. I never considered Kaito so strong anyway, largely due to his stupid technique. On the other hand he was exceedingly ill prepared for the fight that was delivered to him suddenly. That was at least half of his own mistake, though. A mistake Palm is now repeating, probably.

[Carnage]

The man had just sat too long behind a desk twiddling papers and lost his touch. It doesn't prove Pitou is strong, only that the chairman was rusty. He's now planning to attack the king himself and leave Pitou for others, so it hardly sounds like he considers Pitou unbeatable.

Pretty much every real fight of a human vs ant has shown one thing more clear than anything else: Long experience matters just as much as awesome aura. Even brats like Gon and Killua are veritable battle scarred veterans compared to these ants who are all under a year old, I believe. Sometimes experience doesn't save the human, like it didn't Kaito, but then again, there're many factors affecting the outcome of a fight. I never considered Kaito so strong anyway, largely due to his stupid technique. On the other hand he was exceedingly ill prepared for the fight that was delivered to him suddenly. That was at least half of his own mistake, though. A mistake Palm is now repeating, probably.

Im starting to think you never admit yourself wrong no matter what. The chairman acknowledged Pitou's strength, Colt has witnessed the nen level of the Royal Guards and the Chairman. Yes, experience matters but obviously there is a limit when one's strength is just so immense. Knov probably has a vast amount of experience, and he's shitting his pants because he knows the difference between his abilities and theirs. So far every reaction by every character to the Royal Guard, human or ant, has been of absolute awe and terror.

I actually find the surprise attack by Neffy against Kite weird. Why didn't Kite see the En that she was pouring out? Neffy should not be able to sense them unless they enter her En range, but so far every single hunter who even came close to that En was either awed or terrified by it.

Was Kite just bad at sensing En? Or is it really just like Kraco said, that Kite sucks compared to the Chairman, Knov, or even Palm, who managed to sense it?

Did Neffy have her En off then suddenly turned it on, catching Kite by surprise?

Kite's En (well, almost no human's En) could reach the distance between him and the nest at that point. Im guessing Neferpitou sensed him either through natural instinct or was able to leap the distance instantly after activating her nen.

[Kraco]

Im starting to think you never admit yourself wrong no matter what. The chairman acknowledged Pitou's strength, Colt has witnessed the nen level of the Royal Guards and the Chairman. Yes, experience matters but obviously there is a limit when one's strength is just so immense. Knov probably has a vast amount of experience, and he's shitting his pants because he knows the difference between his abilities and theirs. So far every reaction by every character to the Royal Guard, human or ant, has been of absolute awe and terror.

Then don't try to think. I'm admitting I'm wrong all the time, especially since I make predictions that turn out wrong very often.

I'm not saying Pitou is weak. He's probably among the strongest characters we have seen so far. But I am saying those who shit their pants just by sensing his aura are indeed weak cowards. The chairman didn't do that. He was quite calm and admitted he's so rusty that he would probably lose to the ant monster at the moment. So, he started training to able to beat the king instead. That shows guts of a peculiar kind, no doubt.

Like I said before, we don't know how scared Killua really was because he was suffering from the brain needle effect. Gon surely wasn't; he wanted to kick Pitou's ass back to the ant nest. Besides, being scared is okay, scared witless is not. They are working to save the world of men, so dropping out of the fight because you think you might not be dominating the fight is cowardice and nothing else.

I don't even know anymore what I'm commenting on, since your comment was somewhat lacking in the sense department, but who cares.

[Carnage]

But I am saying those who shit their pants just by sensing his aura are indeed weak cowards. The chairman One of earth's top 4 nen users didn't do that.

Keep in mind, Kite/Killua/Gon faced Pitou before (s)he even knew what nen was. There is actually no reason to believe Knov is a pussy, considering he's dealt with every other opponent just fine and he was handpicked by the chairman himself, which should say something.

Like I said before, we don't know how scared Killua really was because he was suffering from the brain needle effect.

Killua's needle forces him to retreat from dangerous situations. He was psyched out long after he was in any danger.

Gon surely wasn't.

That's because Gon our shonen protagonist, and this entire story has been him not backing down from anything.

They are working to save the world of men, so dropping out of the fight because you think you might not be dominating the fight is cowardice and nothing else.

No.

I don't even know anymore what I'm commenting on, since your comment was somewhat lacking in the sense department, but who cares.

Just go back one page and see yourself, you said:

That doesn't actually mean anything...being one of the top hunters is a stretch...I'd like to think that aside from the chairman and very few others, the organization can't really send any strong people anywhere, only mediocre ones who either are interested in gaining an office in the organization or have no ambitions of their own.

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Who knows. We haven't actually seen Pitou fight against tough opponents. Gon was even willing to challenge Pitou and was only stopped by Killua, who was still under his brother's brain implant control. We know now Knov is a coward, so we are sorely lacking references.

I originally said Kaito must have been strong to have fought well against Pitou. You insinuated otherwise, posting that we can't make that claim since we don't actually know how relatively strong Pitou is by arguing "lack of reference". I presented references, then you forgot your original claim entirely. Wasn't hard to try.

[Kraco]

I originally said Kaito must have been strong to have fought well against Pitou. You insinuated otherwise, posting that we can't make that claim since we don't actually know how relatively strong Pitou is by arguing "lack of reference". I presented references, then you forgot your original claim entirely. Wasn't hard to try.

But you presented absolutely no references of any value! Because we have very few of those. The chairman was weak because he was rusty (or old). He has said as much himself. But the fact he's planning to somehow deal with the king means he thinks he can shake off some of that rust and then compensate some with experience.

We never saw Kaito fight any really serious fights. My main argument against him is highly biased because I think his main technique, summoning the utterly stupid clown thing, made him far weaker than he needed to be. Yet he could fight against Pitou for a while so naturally he's stronger than Knov, who was missing his mommy before he even saw Pitou.

But yeah, I hate on a fundamental level the whole your aura is directly proportional to your battle prowess thinking, so I doubt we will ever see eye to eye. I prefer the delinquent measure of who's standing last is stronger.