Actually, the neck snap makes sense. If the objects and weapons of earth cannot do any/much damage when they smash into them, the only way to do real damage would be to use Kryptonian materials. In this case, it is the alien strength and the alien hardness (his arm) that enabled that kill.
I'm not defending the logic behind the fighting in this movie. I just find that single aspect to actually be believable. The fight would never have ended otherwise.
Peace.
If that were true, then surely one of the thousand punches or kicks they hit each other with would have ended the fight sooner. If a kryptonian arm can snap a kryptonian neck, then a kryptonian fist can break a kryptonian jaw or concuss a kryptonian brain. It was an ignominious end to Zod and he deserved better, like Superman lifting his broken and beaten body into the air and snapping it in half.
Btw, wasn't it you shinta who was so upset at the lack of development for supporting characters in Amazing Spider-man? You must have hated how they used the Daily Planet staff.
Another tidbit that made this movie suck:
Lois follows Clark into the frozen unknown in her light jacket after being warned that it gets 40 below outside the camp. When she gets attacked by the ship's defenses and Clark has to cauterize her wounds, he explains with the corny one-liner, "I can do things other people can't." TRBL.
“For God will not permit that we shall know what is to come... those who by some sorcery or by some dream might come to pierce the veil that lies so darkly over all that is before them may serve by just that vision to cause that God should wrench the world from its heading and set it upon another course altogether and then where stands the sorcerer? Where the dreamer and his dream?”
I won't defend how they handled the toughness of the Kryptonians and the extended battle because that is probably for flashy action scenes. What I am trying to say is that there is no reason for a headlock neck break to NOT work on Zod, and it did, so the fight ended. The muscle power of two arms can easily overpower the resistance provided by the neck muscles assuming both parties are roughly equal in strength.
Peace.
So... their regenerative abilities, Zod having more muscle mass and physical body mass than Kal-El and being more attuned to close hand to hand combat, dies to a head lock... I honestly cannot see it. The neck muscles would probably cancel out Kal-el's arm strength. Just my thoughts on it. If his neck would snap that easily, why did none of them suffer any broken ribs or arms or legs etc etc.
Hollywood trying to tell us that the way to stop a Kryptonian is to snap their neck instead of Kryptonite? :P
...They heal.
So anything short of instant death will recover, which is also why they don't stay out cold very long, or why they don't bleed out etc..
Did you even see cavil's body when he stole the clothing? Zod does not have more muscle mass, and even if he did you'd have to be built like a fucking bear to resist a neck break with those muscles alone.
Also the simple fact that Clark has been basking in solar radiation all his life, his cells have absorbed much more which makes him physically stronger.
Heck he dealt with Nam-Ek much quicker than Faora, simply because she faced him with skill and not brawn like the big guy.
According to the movie, the power up is instant when absorbing yellow sunlight. :P
So I assume their powers are the same in the movie. :P
A physical hit to the face or anywhere on the body would have the same effect as a head lock, maybe even more. So I honestly can't see a head lock snapping Zod's neck. As I watch UFC (Maybe faked) Some guys in head locks and leg locks around the neck (Legs being the strongest muscle and all of any part of the body on any animal), I just can't see it, unless Zod just gave up and was like "OK Snap my neck, lets end this". :P
Ofcourse the power up is "instant", but it's not "equal", same reason why the goons have no powers and zod only gets them much much later; it increases over time.
And what? A headlock doesn't have the same effect as a hit anywhere on your body.
A headlock either chokes you out (there are no muscles to provide resistance on the throat), or your neck gets broken when your head gets twisted too far.
And nobody in UFC is looking to kill anyone either, their headlocks are just that: headlocks to choke you out, not a head twisting neck break that results in murder....seriously wtf o_O.
I don't doubt a neck snap would kill him, I just think it was a dumb way to finish the fight. That entire scene was ridiculous, from the family cringing as the laser slowly inched toward them, to Zod's insistence on killing some more humans as some sort of final "f you" to Kal-el, to Kal-el's finishing move, to Kal-el's reaction to killing Zod, then Lois showing up when she was miles away from where they ended up. Did she hop in a cab and travel through the demolished city to see how the fight was going?Originally Posted by shinta|hikari
The movie was just terrible on so many levels. Really they should have just taken that second official trailer, extended all the scenes and filled it out to 2 hours, and that would have been an infinitely better movie than MoS.
Worse yet, Zod was genetically bred/designed to be a solider and a warrior. Clark was the natural offspring of a scientist and whatever Lara was, also probably an academic type. The chances that he turned out to be beefcake are slim, especially considering Jor-El and Lara were products of generations of genetic breeding. The chances that he could fight and beat Zod are even slimmer.
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“For God will not permit that we shall know what is to come... those who by some sorcery or by some dream might come to pierce the veil that lies so darkly over all that is before them may serve by just that vision to cause that God should wrench the world from its heading and set it upon another course altogether and then where stands the sorcerer? Where the dreamer and his dream?”
True dark, need an intent to kill. I concede that one.
Wasn't it mentioned they've been to other worlds, other suns/stars. They should have had previous experience dealing with the power up of the sun I would think.
@ Anime - Plus the fact Clark has/had no real combat/fighting experience.
I just think the movie was bad on so many levels.
That too. He spent his entire life restraining himself from fighting back, even so far as to not lay a hand on that trucker in the bar, then suddenly he's a fighting machine taking on Kryptonian soldiers bred and trained for combat and beating them all. Plus I thought Clark destroying the trucker's big rig was childish and not a good display of his supposed high moral character.
“For God will not permit that we shall know what is to come... those who by some sorcery or by some dream might come to pierce the veil that lies so darkly over all that is before them may serve by just that vision to cause that God should wrench the world from its heading and set it upon another course altogether and then where stands the sorcerer? Where the dreamer and his dream?”
They've nearly always used their breathers when going to other worlds with an atmosphere that would be hard to breath; Jor-El mentioned that Earth's atmosphere was just right, plus the xray vision didn't kick in until Zod breathed earth's air which means that the initial powerup comes from solar radiation, with the rest coming from (or at least accelerated by) the atmosphere.
Sure clark had no real combat experience, which is also why he pretty much lost to Faora.
He really wasn't doing that great against Zod either, even though him and Nam-Ek seemed more brawn oriented; it wasn't until they took flight that clark was becoming more of an equal, because guess what, he's been flying around longer and has more solar radiation stored.
Heck I'm convinced that if it was Faora with flight and laser eyes, he would've lost (again).
Maybe true. We will never know as I honestly think, Hollywood cannot make a good/epic Superman movie.
Basically they crammed two movies into one, the original first two movies, minus one villain and a lot of back story which I guess they assumed we already knew and didn't need rehashing. But instead of expanding on his upbringing and the events that led him to don the cape and tights, they had Jor-el spend 5 minutes telling him why he should do it.
“For God will not permit that we shall know what is to come... those who by some sorcery or by some dream might come to pierce the veil that lies so darkly over all that is before them may serve by just that vision to cause that God should wrench the world from its heading and set it upon another course altogether and then where stands the sorcerer? Where the dreamer and his dream?”
Plus the 3rd person view of him in story form so the audience can see what he did up to the point he found a Kryptonian spaceship in ice (I miss the fortress of solitude).
The spaceship in ice makes more sense than an alien stronghold built on Earth. Has it ever been explained (in comics or animated series) how the fortress came to be installed on Earth?
I just hated the way the entire scene went down, though the setup was sensible. It makes sense that the discovery of the mysterious structure would lead Kal-el to sign on as muscle in order to check it out, but then it went downhill from there into a trite way to explain Kal-el's origins.
“For God will not permit that we shall know what is to come... those who by some sorcery or by some dream might come to pierce the veil that lies so darkly over all that is before them may serve by just that vision to cause that God should wrench the world from its heading and set it upon another course altogether and then where stands the sorcerer? Where the dreamer and his dream?”
So...much....destruction.
Yeah it was like a natural disaster movie, the characters are a side note and all you see is the destruction. It got to the point you didn't even focus on the characters fighting as much as the destruction they caused. I guess it was to highlight the purpose of the world engine, that it would destroy the world as we know it. But honestly did we really need to see that many buildings collapse?
“For God will not permit that we shall know what is to come... those who by some sorcery or by some dream might come to pierce the veil that lies so darkly over all that is before them may serve by just that vision to cause that God should wrench the world from its heading and set it upon another course altogether and then where stands the sorcerer? Where the dreamer and his dream?”
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