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Orochimaru said that Itachi was stronger than him. He said he needed Sasukes bdy cause he could get alot stronger faster with sasuke's sharigan. But if itachi is stronger why is itachi listening to the leader of his group unless the leader is stronger than itachi. And now that Kimmamaro showed up it go me thinking whos stronger itachi or kimmamro and how strong is the leader of the group Oro and itachi is in. http://www.gotwoot.net/forum/html/emoticons/ph34r.gif
I am pretty damn sure that Itachi is stronger than Kimimaro, or else Naruto is gonna die. What makes you think that since Itachi is stronger than Orochimaru, that the Akatsuki leader isn't stronger than both? ...I almost feel dumber for replying to this post...
Since when did Oro say he will be stronger with Sasuke's body? I think he commented in the forest of Death that Sasuke had more POTENTIAL than Itachi did, and so he would train sasuke to match that potential before posessing him, wait a few years in his words
So yea, Itachi Pwns Oro.
Orochimaru may have only said Itachi is stronger than him because the sharingan is the WORST possible match up for a all jutsu user. Although Itachi is probably is stronger than him in other ways. You dont' really know if Kimmimaro is weaker than Itachi, but he probably is. But Orochimaru is only going after Sasuke because Kimmimaro is sick so he would have used Kimmmaro's body to beat Itachi. And Kabuto and Oro said if he was there the plan would have definitely have succeded.
Itachi is stronger than Orochimaru, where Orochimaru's strengths lie. That's probably in all forms of taijutsu, ninjutsu and genjutsu. So, as far as being a skilled ninja, and fighter, Itachi is above.
But, Orochimaru might have more insight, and judgement. The man is a lot older, after all.
Somebody add the "Who's stronger than who?" topic to Kakashi's repeated questions sticky.
Just because Itachi is not the leader of the Akatasuki, doens't mean the leader is a better fighter than him. It is quite possible that he simply works for him just like Zabuza did for that merchant.
</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Uzumaki Naruto @ Jan 27 2004, 12:01 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> im going to have to say that itachi is stonger then both oro and kiminmaro, bc hes mastered the sharingan at a young age killed off his entire clan leaving only his borther sasuke alive so that sasuke will one day take his life, and even itachi was strong enough to take on 3 jounins and there was also that match with jiraiya which he also won. itachi is the stongest out of those two and even oro said him self that iachi is stronger then him forgot wut chpter it was though. </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'>
Itachi didnt win agianst jiraya,he escaped from fight cause he was in need of rest or something.
well yea he didnt win but still he was still able to take on jiraiya and escape, but i think that is itachi were to be a full strenght he would have won that fight
</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Hotsuma @ Jan 26 2004, 11:53 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>
Somebody add the "Who's stronger than who?" topic to Kakashi's repeated questions sticky. </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'>
Done
Also, whoever started this topic has no common sense.
Orochimaru wants to change bodies because his arms are useless and he likes to stay in his prime or take a younger body and train in it, so it gets to its peak.
He isn't going to Kimimaro because he thinks he is stronger. He thinks he will have the potential to be stronger. Since Kimimaro is sick now it doesn't matter anyway.
Itachi>Orochimaru>Kimimaro
If you see it is any other way...go read the Itachi vs Kakashi and Sarutobi vs Orochimaru fights again.
hm I think there has to be a mastermind behind the akatsuki. Why else would they want to get their hands on the kyuubi? I mean i can't imagine that they would want to release the kyuubi out into the world again. How would they benifit them? If they want to destroy the world they could do that themselves. Also there has to be a reason why itachi killed all his clan members. Someone must have influenced him.
Oh and i don't think Oro wants to use Sasuke's body to destroy Itachi. I think he just wants to destroy Konoha. I dunno could be wrong.
</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Uzumaki Naruto @ Jan 27 2004, 01:01 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> im going to have to say that itachi is stonger then both oro and kiminmaro, bc hes mastered the sharingan at a young age killed off his entire clan leaving only his borther sasuke alive so that sasuke will one day take his life, and even itachi was strong enough to take on 3 jounins and there was also that match with jiraiya which he also won. itachi is the stongest out of those two and even oro said him self that iachi is stronger then him forgot wut chpter it was though. </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'>
uh; from what i remember itachi *ran* from jiraiya seeing that he was fighting a losing battle only to fight another day. Itachi is strong, but not invincible and the reason why he can beat oro is that he is the worst possible match-up. this isnt dragon ball z (yet hopefully) with the power level cheapness, but with actual counters and advantages, etc. Jiraiya isnt completely that type of jutsu based, and what jiraiya uses a lot are summonings, and Rasengan with which sharingan shouldnt be able to steal as its really just from what we can see chakra focused into a ball (requiring chakra control), and a helluva lot of chakra. even if you can see the move with the sharingan it often wont matter if you dont have the chakra to actually pull it off, and against a combat type (rather than a jutsu type), the sharingan actually has a bit of a problem. IE against Hyuuga Clan, or vs. Gai lets say.
itachi is strong, but he depends too much upon sharingan (even said by his partner), and from that there are quite a few disadvantages the immense chakra drain and strain put upon the eyes and body). and the sharingan as cool as it is aint everything and has its own weaknesses as well.
</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Uzumaki Naruto @ Jan 27 2004, 01:13 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> well yea he didnt win but still he was still able to take on jiraiya and escape, but i think that is itachi were to be a full strenght he would have won that fight </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'>
Jiraya didnt even want to chase him and how do you know he would agianst Jiraya.
</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Hakeem_21 @ Jan 27 2004, 03:53 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> </div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Uzumaki Naruto @ Jan 27 2004, 01:13 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> well yea he didnt win but still he was still able to take on jiraiya and escape, but i think that is itachi were to be a full strenght he would have won that fight </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'>
Jiraya didnt even want to chase him and how do you know he would agianst Jiraya. </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'>
damn striaght http://www.gotwoot.net/forum/html/emoticons/cool.gif
</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Wren @ Jan 27 2004, 02:55 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> </div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Hakeem_21 @ Jan 27 2004, 03:53 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> </div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Uzumaki Naruto @ Jan 27 2004, 01:13 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> well yea he didnt win but still he was still able to take on jiraiya and escape, but i think that is itachi were to be a full strenght he would have won that fight </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'>
Jiraya didnt even want to chase him and how do you know he would agianst Jiraya. </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'>
damn striaght http://www.gotwoot.net/forum/html/emoticons/cool.gif </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'>
Just because he has sharingan some thinkt he can beat the legendary nins easy.
sharingan doesnt mean he can beat legendary nin---like everything else its a weapon with advantages and disadvanteags---to be honest i feel itachi would have a very hard time with jiraiya cuz of jiraiyas advantages and itachi's weaknesses
Look
All we know for sure, is that Orochimaru said that Itachi was stronger than he was. So we can assume in a one on one fight Itachi would beat Orochimaru. Orochimaru's main thing is techniques, Itachi probably knows a lot more than him and most likely counters for most of his techniques.
Jiraiya was able to beat back Itachi and Kisame, but that was under some special circumstances. Itachi and Kisame both fought like the day before, or maybe even the same day. Jiraiya was fresh and ready to go. Not that I don't think Jiraiya could take Itachi, I believe he could, but it just hasn't been proven yet.
Tsunade...well, we haven't seen her in action enough yet to know for sure. She has shown us that she is quite talented in the medical jutsu area, but other than a summoning, we haven't seen much of her other ninja techniques. Physically she is a freak, so her Taijutsu is probably good.
Just until they actually fight, we don't know for sure, as in Naruto strength doesn't necesarrily mean a win.
</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Hatake Kakashi @ Jan 27 2004, 04:14 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> Look
All we know for sure, is that Orochimaru said that Itachi was stronger than he was. So we can assume in a one on one fight Itachi would beat Orochimaru. Orochimaru's main thing is techniques, Itachi probably knows a lot more than him and most likely counters for most of his techniques.
Jiraiya was able to beat back Itachi and Kisame, but that was under some special circumstances. Itachi and Kisame both fought like the day before, or maybe even the same day. Jiraiya was fresh and ready to go. Not that I don't think Jiraiya could take Itachi, I believe he could, but it just hasn't been proven yet.
Tsunade...well, we haven't seen her in action enough yet to know for sure. She has shown us that she is quite talented in the medical jutsu area, but other than a summoning, we haven't seen much of her other ninja techniques. Physically she is a freak, so her Taijutsu is probably good.
Just until they actually fight, we don't know for sure, as in Naruto strength doesn't necesarrily mean a win. </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'>
finally; one of the few who can actually objectively look at something lol
Itachi is the strongest character in the series so far. No buts and ifs about it.
As for the escape.. yeah. This has been discussed to death and back here. I think Itachi would mop the floor with Jiraiya, honestly. Not only because he has Sharingan, but because he's such a charismatic character, that I think he'd win. Jiraiya, OTOH, isn't all that. He's old, and experienced, which will do a lot for him, but against somebody who's at his prime (or close to it) and has been doing far more than writing porno novels, Itachi has the upperhand here. I'm not going to mention the plethora of jutsus, his super speed, and other ninja-like attributes here, btw.
If Itachi can create black fire that's able to burn through Jiraiya's jutsu (which is very powerful, mind you.) while on the run and give Jiraiya some major creeps by that demonstration, he's a pretty damn powerful ninja.
</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Hatake Kakashi @ Jan 27 2004, 03:14 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> Look
All we know for sure, is that Orochimaru said that Itachi was stronger than he was. So we can assume in a one on one fight Itachi would beat Orochimaru. Orochimaru's main thing is techniques, Itachi probably knows a lot more than him and most likely counters for most of his techniques.
Jiraiya was able to beat back Itachi and Kisame, but that was under some special circumstances. Itachi and Kisame both fought like the day before, or maybe even the same day. Jiraiya was fresh and ready to go. Not that I don't think Jiraiya could take Itachi, I believe he could, but it just hasn't been proven yet.
Tsunade...well, we haven't seen her in action enough yet to know for sure. She has shown us that she is quite talented in the medical jutsu area, but other than a summoning, we haven't seen much of her other ninja techniques. Physically she is a freak, so her Taijutsu is probably good.
Just until they actually fight, we don't know for sure, as in Naruto strength doesn't necesarrily mean a win. </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'>
From what i saw of Tsunade fight agianst Kabuto she has a lot of pure strength.
I hope we will see Itachi fight a legendary nin soon so we can know how good he really is.
I would like to see Hokage 4th VS Itachi Uchiha.
</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (itachi_ @ Jan 27 2004, 03:41 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> I would like to see Hokage 4th VS Itachi Uchiha. </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'>
Ok now its too much to compare the 4 hokage to Itachi that hasn't show what he can. He cant be that good.
</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Hakeem_21 @ Jan 27 2004, 03:48 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> </div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (itachi_ @ Jan 27 2004, 03:41 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> I would like to see Hokage 4th VS Itachi Uchiha. </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'>
Ok now its too much to compare the 4 hokage to Itachi that hasn't show what he can. He cant be that good. </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'>
Öh han var den bästa av alla hokages, svenne! jag tror att han skulle vara den ända som skulle kunna matcha Itachi.
Okey but i dont think Itachi is that good cuase if he were as good as the 4 hokage he wouldnt need the Kyubi chakra.
P.s vi kan inte prata svenska om vi gör så blir de som inte kan svenska galna.
well said HK.
Naruto-God,
how did you even come up with the idea that kimimaro is stronger than itachi? itachi will eat kimimaro, rape his mom and sister(s), then spit kimimaro out alive.
I give up.......
</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Hatake Kakashi @ Jan 27 2004, 04:48 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> I give up....... </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'>
We need a new topic for god sake;)
yet another topic that wont shut anyone up unless the damn chars actually FIGHT. ::sigh-yawn::
</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Hakeem_21 @ Jan 27 2004, 04:53 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> Okey but i dont think Itachi is that good cuase if he were as good as the 4 hokage he wouldnt need the Kyubi chakra.
P.s vi kan inte prata svenska om vi gör så blir de som inte kan svenska galna. </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'>
You must not be reading the same manga as the rest of us.
Itachi doesn't want the Kyuubi chakra. AKATSUKI DOES. What Akatsuki wants doesn't necassarily reflect what ITACHI wants.
Just because akatsuki wants the kyuubi doesn't mean that they are weak. We have no clue what their plans are.
Don't dismiss this hypothesis.
1. Kimimaro was the strongest in his village (potential Hokage).
2. With Kimimaro's body they could have more easily vanquished Konoha.
3. Kimimaro was also an heir to a clan that posses the most perfect and most powerful bodies of all; and inherited all their abilities (Blood Line limit).
4. Oro prefered Kimimaro over Sasuke, but when Kimimaro became ill, Oro needed to find another Host. Sasuke is simply, sloppy seconds.
5. We don't know how strong Itachi is. I know everyones going to say he beat, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. Basically, he basically gave the jounins a hard time (jounins that Kabuto could have given a hard time), and he ran away from Jaraiya. If that's enough evidence for some of you folks then, that's okay. But for me he needs to prove himself a little more. Time will tell how tough he really is.
That's my two cents.
</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Hotsuma @ Jan 27 2004, 03:28 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> Itachi is the strongest character in the series so far. No buts and ifs about it.
As for the escape.. yeah. This has been discussed to death and back here. I think Itachi would mop the floor with Jiraiya, honestly. Not only because he has Sharingan, but because he's such a charismatic character, that I think he'd win. Jiraiya, OTOH, isn't all that. He's old, and experienced, which will do a lot for him, but against somebody who's at his prime (or close to it) and has been doing far more than writing porno novels, Itachi has the upperhand here. I'm not going to mention the plethora of jutsus, his super speed, and other ninja-like attributes here, btw.
If Itachi can create black fire that's able to burn through Jiraiya's jutsu (which is very powerful, mind you.) while on the run and give Jiraiya some major creeps by that demonstration, he's a pretty damn powerful ninja. </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'>
Who could me more charismatic than the SUPER PERVERT SENNIN!!!!!!!
But Oro needs to dye sasuke to his white gay michael color before he takes his body http://www.gotwoot.net/forum/html/emoticons/smile.gif
What is a Uzumaki Naruto username doing with an itachi avatar?
</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (hiten mitsurugi @ Jan 27 2004, 07:50 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> Don't dismiss this hypothesis.
1. Kimimaro was the strongest in his village (potential Hokage).
2. With Kimimaro's body they could have more easily vanquished Konoha.
3. Kimimaro was also an heir to a clan that posses the most perfect and most powerful bodies of all; and inherited all their abilities (Blood Line limit).
4. Oro prefered Kimimaro over Sasuke, but when Kimimaro became ill, Oro needed to find another Host. Sasuke is simply, sloppy seconds.
5. We don't know how strong Itachi is. I know everyones going to say he beat, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. Basically, he basically gave the jounins a hard time (jounins that Kabuto could have given a hard time), and he ran away from Jaraiya. If that's enough evidence for some of you folks then, that's okay. But for me he needs to prove himself a little more. Time will tell how tough he really is.
That's my two cents. </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'>
nothign is perfect;----perhaps perfect for orochimaru's goals, but no body is invincible. im sure kimimaro is strong, but on another point any bloodline limit could be considered perfect depending on ones goals. Like Hand to Hand combat for the Hyuuga, or jutsu learning etc for Sharingan, or water manipulation for Haku. just cuz tey say its perfect doesnt mean hes ultimate. and Neji inherited all his families jutsu as well, and he isnt perfect either. just good for some situations, and im sure kimimaro isnt good for everything.
we know that Kimimaro's abilities were stronger then Uchihas - this includes Itachi as Sasuke has more potential, and to prefer Kimimaro over Sasuke means hes pretty damn strong.
We'll never know exactly how strong because of the illness though but think of it in this way, Sasuke has been said to possess more potential then Itachi - so if hes only a SECOND choice, imagine how damn strong Kimimaro could be.
</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>Itachi is the strongest character in the series so far. No buts and ifs about it.</td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'>
Kabuto fought Tsunade, Shizune, summoned Manda and two snakes and then took a rasengen in the stomach and STILL SURVIVED TO FIGHT ANOTHER DAY.
we're yet to see what Kabuto can really do, he has a history of playing down his abilities (failing the genin exam 3 times, chuunin exam 6 times) and refering back to his eyes in the forest of death we can see that theres something big coming.
As for Itachi - Kakashi said he was yet to show us all his powers BEFORE he used the Mange Sharigan, Zabuza has also beaten Kakashi with one move, just like Itachi beat Kakashi with Mange Sharigan.
In terms of mystery over their exact extent of powers Kabuto is unknown
as for all those people that use the defence 'Itachi was too tired to fight Jiraiya' look at what Kabuto did and compare.
</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>Kabuto fought Tsunade, Shizune, summoned Manda and two snakes and then took a rasengen in the stomach and STILL SURVIVED TO FIGHT ANOTHER DAY.</td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'>
kabuto had a responsibility of taking care of orochimaru, that's why he didn't run away.
and after itachi and kisame ran off, kisame asked itachi "why is a retreat necessary for you."
there's a lot of crap that can counter my argument and there's a lot that can counter that counter argument. so blah blah going around circles is awesome.
btw, when you say that zabuza beat kakashi with one move and the move you're talking about is the water prison or whatever, how do you know that zabuza can kill hm without breaking the prison? maybe nothing can penetrate it from inside or from the outside. and if that's the case, it's more of a draw.
Akatsuki is just a gather of outlaws, i don't think that there is a leader actually...
Orochimaru know many seals and have experience, but itachi vs orochimaru would be a nice fight? they haven't meet in the manga yet.
Well you could also say Kakashi wasn't fighting as well because he had to worry about Naruto, sasuke, and sakura.
When the battle really started you could see that kakashi was above zabuza's level.
Kakashi was protecting Asuma and Kunerai vs Itachi too.
anyway its useless discussing this, powers can change at any time due to the fact that its an anime/manga.
Itachi could be beaten by someone way below his level if the situation was right.
we dont know how Orochimaru would fair with his new body, Itachi as far as we know was stronger then Orochimarus old body. (thats probably not including the fact that he can summon Manda or dead people)
Atasuki are all volunteers, Jiraiya explains that - so there is no leader.
btw testing sig http://www.gotwoot.net/forum/html/emoticons/tongue.gif
</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (VagabondLBD @ Jan 27 2004, 09:51 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> Well you could also say Kakashi wasn't fighting as well because he had to worry about Naruto, sasuke, and sakura.
When the battle really started you could see that kakashi was above zabuza's level. </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'>
But Zabuza also had to worry about facing those two. If they hadn't been there Kakashi would still have been trapped in the water prison.
</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Nine Tailed Demon @ Jan 27 2004, 08:09 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> What is a Uzumaki Naruto username doing with an itachi avatar? </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'>
bc every time i siwtch to a new anruto avatar new members and wut not have my avatars so ima stick with this one till i find anew naruto one not itachi, u sasified http://www.gotwoot.net/forum/html/emoticons/laugh.gif
im going to have to say that itachi is stonger then both oro and kiminmaro, bc hes mastered the sharingan at a young age killed off his entire clan leaving only his borther sasuke alive so that sasuke will one day take his life, and even itachi was strong enough to take on 3 jounins and there was also that match with jiraiya which he also won. itachi is the stongest out of those two and even oro said him self that iachi is stronger then him forgot wut chpter it was though.
orochimaru isn't part of akatsuki anymore.
anyway, think about your question Naruto-god. kabuto compared sasuke with kimimaro and said "i wonder who is stronger." also, orochimaru said that itachi is stronger than he is and that's obviously why orochimaru can't capture and use itachi's body. so, it's not impossible, but improbable (super, highly improbable) that kimimaro is stronger than itachi.
i thought i just spell it out step by step.
just gettin this straight. there is no leader of akatsuki, there a group of missin nin from each village that formed somewhere.. oh and yes, itachi is stronger than orochimaru. why? because he said it himself,..i think there is a Hyuga in the akatsuki..i duno..
</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Hotsuma @ Jan 27 2004, 05:09 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> </div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Hakeem_21 @ Jan 27 2004, 04:53 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> Okey but i dont think Itachi is that good cuase if he were as good as the 4 hokage he wouldnt need the Kyubi chakra.
P.s vi kan inte prata svenska om vi gör så blir de som inte kan svenska galna. </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'>
You must not be reading the same manga as the rest of us.
Itachi doesn't want the Kyuubi chakra. AKATSUKI DOES. What Akatsuki wants doesn't necassarily reflect what ITACHI wants. </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'>
for the 100 time Itachi is after Kyubi FOR AKatsuki nobody knows what Itachi himselft want!
If you're saying that Zabuza trapped Kakashi because he had to worry about protecting Sasuke, Sakura and Naruto - Kakashi fought Itachi when he was trying to save Kunerai and Asuma if you read that chapter http://www.gotwoot.net/forum/html/emoticons/tongue.gif
hm I don't think there will be another member of the akatsuki from Konoha. My guess would be that there is one from each of the hidden ninja villages. Who knows maybe we'll see someone from Haku's or Kimimaro's bloodline. (not sure if they are all dead)
Also I don't see where it says there is no leader. I think there has to be a mastermind behind it all. I don't think a bunch of missing-nins would just come together and form a group for no aparent reason.
</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Hakeem_21 @ Jan 28 2004, 04:06 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> </div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Hotsuma @ Jan 27 2004, 05:09 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> </div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Hakeem_21 @ Jan 27 2004, 04:53 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> Okey but i dont think Itachi is that good cuase if he were as good as the 4 hokage he wouldnt need the Kyubi chakra.
P.s vi kan inte prata svenska om vi gör så blir de som inte kan svenska galna. </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'>
You must not be reading the same manga as the rest of us.
Itachi doesn't want the Kyuubi chakra. AKATSUKI DOES. What Akatsuki wants doesn't necassarily reflect what ITACHI wants. </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'>
for the 100 time Itachi is after Kyubi FOR AKatsuki nobody knows what Itachi himselft want! </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'>
You said the same thing Hotsuma just said.
Actually after reading the manga again I have to say Itachi can't be as strong as Jiraiya and the hokages. I still think he's stronger than Orochimaru but I don't think he is unstoppable. In the manga Kisame reminds Itachi that by using his eye multiple times he is also hurting himself. So he has a weakness.
</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (VagabondLBD @ Jan 28 2004, 07:36 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> Actually after reading the manga again I have to say Itachi can't be as strong as Jiraiya and the hokages. I still think he's stronger than Orochimaru but I don't think he is unstoppable. In the manga Kisame reminds Itachi that by using his eye multiple times he is also hurting himself. So he has a weakness. </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'>
I think it's starting to finally sink in. I've said it before and I'll say it again. The sharingan is a double edged sword. The more you use the more it will hurt you. Itachi isn't invincible. I'm glad that some of you people are pulling your heads out of Itachi's ass and are seeing the light. Sharingan is his greatest strength and at the same time his greates weakness.
</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Hotsuma @ Jan 26 2004, 11:53 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> Somebody add the "Who's stronger than who?" topic to Kakashi's repeated questions sticky. </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'>
I added that days ago, just no one reads them.
stop talking about this...it's freakin obvious that itachi is the strongest ninja introduced so far! end of discussion, thread = closed.
I want to see the rest of Akatsuki.From what we've seen,all the strongest S-class criminals have been connected to it,and for what reason we do not know.
zabuza didn't worry about naruto, sasuke and sakura. his water clone that has 1/10th of his strength is stronger than all three of them. the kids just outsmarted zabuza.