THE KING IS DEAD. LONG LIVE THE KING.
Say hello to your super mods.
BEHOLD ! ! !
http://img70.imageshack.us/img70/8883/mods0xl.jpg
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THE KING IS DEAD. LONG LIVE THE KING.
Say hello to your super mods.
BEHOLD ! ! !
http://img70.imageshack.us/img70/8883/mods0xl.jpg
I figured that why their names were in bold in the online users list. Sweet!
hi there!
and congradulations to the new people who just became super moderators..or so i think.
There are no new mods, these people have been mods for a while, although in secret.
BUT NOW THEY'RE FREE TO ROAM THE STREEEETS!
Hey,
*ninja vanish*
oh shit, it's not working!!!!!
or so you think..*adds new names to the list* eh, i mean, of course!Quote:
Originally Posted by Terracosmo
seriously, though, 2 names on that list really suprised me.
So what's with the new "no ninja-mod" policy? Why was it abandoned?
Also, I've always tried to guess who the mods were. I finally have confirmation! :D. Though the last two names did suprise me - the rest I had always had suspicions about >_>
wow Kai is a mod. And behind my back. You son of a bitch. You're dead to me now....
Wait, I cant hate kai, he's kai...
Gotwoot Moderator...You' re dead to me...
lmaoQuote:
Originally Posted by Arcness
sorry, but it never came up.
At least you live in the future, so that if they come for us you'll have the best chance of getting away :pQuote:
Originally Posted by kAi
I'm not really a mod, go about your business. Ignore my custom title and the fact that my name's on that list. No, really!
*Fake edit: Damn, now nobody will trust anything I say ever again. :O
I sorta figured those guys were mods before the bolds and colors and crap started appearing, except for some reason I didn't expect Kai to be a mod, hmmmmmm :p
Yeah, I'm with Knives here. Most of these guys I saw coming.
I haven't trusted you since I found out you really don't look like Iceman. Sorry Raven, but thats how it is. You must re-earn my trust. :PQuote:
Originally Posted by Raven
Man, having "Moderator" as my custom title is SO awesome. And thus, my awesome-ness factor has now increased by tenfolds!! :D
I'm still the same ol' NM though. :)
kAi: You bastard!!! Stop editing my post!
dammit, my secret is out! curse you comp!!
oh well....FEAR MY MODSHIP BITCHES!
NM, your awesomeness can be exponentially increased by posting that picture of yours. You know what I'm talking about.
A Question?Quote:
Originally Posted by Assassin
Who do the moderators do? ;)
*Cough cough*Quote:
Originally Posted by Jadugar
Ok ... there's two good reasons to ditch the whole ninja-mod scheme.Quote:
Originally Posted by XanBcoo
The first is that people have been largely able to figure out who the mods were ... and our moddy friends have been somewhat bad at keeping it quiet. Way I figure it, everyone had a good idea of who was a mod before, except the newbies. And the newbies are the people that probably most need to know who not to piss off, right?
Second is that vbulletin doesn't really support that mod method. While there were a couple things we could do to mask mod identities (like making the mod group a hidden group, making the members of it secondary group members and hiding edit signatures), there's a lot of mod functions that we just couldn't get around leaking their identities. Things like editing thread titles, deleting posts, locking threads, and giving warnings.
When we noticed that, it stuck me in a dilemma ... do we force all the mods to use this shared mod account ("GotWoot Moderator"), do we start hacking up the forum code to make it hide their identities better, or do we just say screw it and abandon the whole system.
Well, I'm something of an infosec guy (sysadmin and all), and a shared-access account, even with detailed logging, is just revolting to me to begin with -- not to mention inconvenient for all parties involved. And hacking up well-developed php code, likely breaking features and introducing unsupported new bugs, isn't any of our idea of a good time either... especially on live sites and production deployments like this one. So that pretty much killed that. So we talked it over, and decided that the costs involved with maintaining the (already somewhat-broken) system weren't really worth paying for the ostensible benefits we were getting from it.
So, there we are.
The bold mod names/colorful admin names are just added bonuses. I am thinking of changing the style of that to something more in line with the forum layout though.
Please do!!! It looks funky with this sleek layout to see the admin's names in big bold blue text. The mod' names being black isn't is bad but you admin's names stick out like a turd in a punch bowl.Quote:
Originally Posted by complich8
so, can mods get like, bigger sigs and avataras? Cuz you know, it would, uh, make it easier for the new members to identify us, and like ask us questions and stuff
c'mon mods, who's with me!
no, bad :p.
I never really even tried to guess them or think about it. A few were obvious, or leaked, but for example I never thought KitKat was a mod, even though she's certainly of the ideal material: always courteous, intelligent, nonaggressive, etc.
Well, despite being a spam artist (like my only neg rep called me) with lots of posts, I'm still a newbie here, which might explain some of the mods were genuine surprises for me.
Heh heh. That was a nice try, certainly.Quote:
Originally Posted by Assassin
I don't know how but I was never even aware that we had secret mods. Guess I didn't care since it didn't make any difference. The biggest suprise to me was the sheer amount of mods.
So everytime you claimed that you needed a new mod was just a joke? Since you already had 5 people to choose from.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Assassin
Please I dont want GW to turn into NarutoFan where sigs fill up half of the actual page.
New members can identify you with the tags, Moderators, under your names. Also mod name are highlighted and admins are now red so there should not be any problem.
Ask for a pay rise :p
Kudos to the mods for making this a pleasant place to be in. It's a shame that most of the other forums I've been to (mostly from my country sadly) are full of people who are either making a fool of themselves or are spammers. The level of discussion is also sadly at the elementary school level. Anyway, good to be here and keep up the good job of maintaining the forum. :)
unmasked after all...
and i acted like a mod even when i wasnt.... but i did have fun trying to make people believe i wasn't a mod...
oh well. Let me re-introduce myself:
I am the asshole moderator. I am the pickiest, meanest, longest-winded of all the moderators. You can think of Kitkat as the 'nice cop' and me as the 'bad cop'. I will break your fucking arms and legs and make you walk home using your bloody stumps.
Seriously, I don't take crap and I have an itchy trigger finger for Banning people. Please don't make me kick your ass.
Hmm... Bud's custom title is "Jack Bauer", which makes me think he should be the bad cop, not you. And his avatar doesn't give any different impression, really.Quote:
Originally Posted by masamuneehs
Edit: But KitKat being the good cop I can certainly believe. Even her avatar just lifts your spirits.
Thats because Bud just absolutely adores and is in love with Jack. Even Lana takes a second place.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kraco
BoC, as a moderator, its my job to make all of you guys happy and believe me, if anyone is giving you trouble or theres a problem, you can always give me a pm and I'll take care of whatever it is to put a smile on your happy little faces. But I don't have the pic of my mustache. kthanxbye! :pQuote:
Originally Posted by BOARD_of_command
I never would've guessed Bud and Kitkat to be mods. Though I always suspected the rest of them since they were mods before the "Ninja mod" thing started. Hehe, I always thought the One Piece forum was mod less but it happens that we had three of them all along.
Which shows how great their work has been? :pQuote:
Originally Posted by Deblas
DISCRIMINATION!!! There isn't even 1 turk in the staff..
we got assassin and me holding down the minority front. heck, i don't even know the other mods nationalities/races. if there were any Turks capable of doing the job they'd have been signed on long ago...Quote:
Originally Posted by Turkish-S
Y'know, it always amused me when people referred to my mod edits with a male pronoun.
Oh? That indicates your mod edits weren't lady like enough, I'm afraid. Were you aiming to be just one of the guys, perhaps? Well, no worries like that anymore, though, as it's all revealed now.
lol, I always suspected those "hey dipshit, try using the search function [enter much more verbal punishment here]" Mod edits might have been yours.Quote:
Originally Posted by masamuneehs
I think he is the latest recuit. Am I right?Quote:
Originally Posted by XanBcoo
You are correct.
Looking forward to your mod edits. :DQuote:
Originally Posted by masamuneehs
Note: Kagari is NOT on the list. :eek:
kagari?? who is that.?
EDIT: and where is DO.??
Technically Bud is the newest to get his modship, but he's obviously been around here alot longer than I have.
...we need some initiation kind of trials for the newb mods to undertake before they are accepted...
He was a moderator who rarely moderated.:rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by Turkish-S
Make that "rarely posted" too.
And hell, "rarely visited" as well.
lol Yea now i remember he's the one who had a green sig.. and someone made a custom title for him, in mut's thread: moderator?
OK so now we are all out in the open can you guys tell me who it was that said i was being banned for one day and ended up banning me for like 5 days?
We are not going to have any discussion of "Who banned me" or "Who warned so-and-so". It really doesn't matter, and getting into this line of discussion is counter-productive. If you wish to make these kind of speculations about the past, please do it on irc.
DB, I'm sorry if you ended up being banned for 5 days, at whatever time that happened. Someone probably just typed in the temp ban day wrong. I don't think it was malicious.
Quote:
Originally Posted by KitKat
She's lying. It was completely malicious, and done by her. She may seem nice but i know the real monster. Isnt that right Kitkat, or should i say Johan Liebert?
^^^^^^^^^^
Let me change the thread's title to :
MODS : Repent your sins here :p
Where's KRB when you need him?Quote:
Originally Posted by Jadugar
Sorry, I just couldn't help myself.
Edit: @Assassin- Yeah, I am a mean guy, huh?
KitKat as much as your logic may make sense I throw my vote behind Jadugar's suggestion.
Oh, thats mean Ero-Fan :rolleyes:
DO was never a mod (alteast not that im aware of). He is just the netwrok admin on IRCQuote:
Originally Posted by TS
He is still around.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ero-Fan
http://img95.imageshack.us/img95/3803/krb26dz.jpg
I think it's fair to know who our MODs are although of course this leaves them open to the members comments. A member's comments come in many forms and of course showing the MODs does leave them open to these comments Good and Bad. Of course if they can't take the heat, they shouldn't be a MOD is as simple as that sounds.Does this mean we message them for every little thing?, No, go about your tasks. having the Staff micro-manage everything and getting involved with everything, just leads everyone to dislike the Mods. No matter how great the idea of the forum is, people will not want to stick around if they dislike the staff.
Anyways Congrats to those who are new for MODship.
The monster only exists in your mind, Dr. Tenma. There is no Johan!Quote:
Originally Posted by Arcness
Precisely.Quote:
Originally Posted by Deadfire
Right on. The big point I'd like to make is that just because they're mods doesn't mean they're not forum participants too. In fact, being a mod only means that we trust them to keep an eye on the place and enforce the rules as necessary. It doesn't preclude them from being regular users as well, or voicing their own opinions.Quote:
Does this mean we message them for every little thing?, No, go about your tasks. having the Staff micro-manage everything and getting involved with everything, just leads everyone to dislike the Mods.
My biggest concern, unmasking them like this, is that they might end up being stuck in a position where suddenly their normal voices seem louder. Several of our mods are also our most active posters, and I'd like it if they can keep being themselves.
The ninja-mod system was nice in that it made the mods seem like regular users, so they could participate without horribly disrupting the flow of conversations, without commanding any more or less respect than anyone else around. If those people can conserve that duality -- being regular users while not hiding the fact that they're mods, then I'll be very happy with things.
Of course, walking around with a big bold italicized name and the "Moderator" title doesn't really reinforce that "normal people" motif .... but whatever :p
^ I like the new color scheme for their names. I can stand the italic red and black, at least it matches the forum colors.
That's hardly the issue. This is not military but an anime forum. The difficulty here is quite reverse: Moderators should be good boys and girls and follow the rules, that is, represent to the letter obedience to the rules of the forums, and also the spirit of the forums (I'm not entirely sure what that might be here), and be unbiased in quarrels (until the thread gets locked, but until then everybody always wants to participate if only to joke around).Quote:
Originally Posted by complich8
So, this change doesn't affect other people at all, unless you have some troublemaker who would anyway deserve to get banned for insulting others - mods or regular fellows. So, the problem is that mods can't be free if they are visible.
This is essentially why I always say being a mod sucks, and is vastly overrated. I don't view myself as a toublemaker, but I rather reserve the right to be one than not.
Gee I guess I'll just have to deliver a swift kick in the nuts before that happens. It'd be wise to start thinking about upgrading that health insurance.Quote:
Originally Posted by masamuneehs
Aww, and I thought the long delay for your response was due to your uploading an ultra-high resolution of that picture :mad:Quote:
Originally Posted by NarutoMaster
Don't worry every forum needs a guy or two like that.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kraco
In all my time here in Gotwoot I never would have guessed some of the people on that list to be a mod.......
What can I say? I'm a sneaky bastard :cool:Quote:
Originally Posted by God#2
You were the most obvious one of all.:rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by AssertnFailure
no kidding, and now from what I'm seeing you now have a red name...hmmmmm -_-
edit displaying my stupidity: nm, my mouse was over your name......
I have always suspected PSJ to be a mod, but i guess my suspicions were wrong.
Theres only enough room for one swede in the mod lounge, and her highness Terracosmo is currently occupying that spot.
Basically, what you're saying is only one piece of the puzzle.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kraco
Participating in a discussion as a moderator has several effects. The first is what I'll call the "biggest ship" effect, and is what I was addressing before. That is, without even trying, just by passing through moderators can make big waves, totally disrupting discussions by making a single post. This is usually a bad thing from everyone's perspective. Ninja-mod solved this problem entirely ... since nobody knew who had power, nobody acted like anyone did.
The second is what I'd call the "chained god" effect. That is, you've got all this power, but you're constrained such that you can only behave in a certain way, precisely because you've got that power. This is the sort of thing you're talking about, and ninja-mod helped with this a bit too, because the mods could be regular users, so could behave like assholes if they wanted to -- as long as they didn't do so while wearing their moderator masks.
The thing is, neither of these effects is necessarily inevitable. I'm hoping that the "biggest ship" effect doesn't show up at all, simply because we've had a pretty substantial volume of discussion involving those moderators -- they're pretty much a cross-section of the most active posters on the board.
"chained god" is a bit tougher. Basically, if we take a strict interpretation of moderator as essentially forumgoing saint, then yeah, they'll suffer from that. But that's an imposition of that particular interpretation of the moderator role. If the mods can maintain a healthy separation between "posting" mode and "moderating" mode (which the ninja-mod system somewhat enforced), then they're free to behave as normal users given normal discussions.
Basically, my personal interpretation of the moderator role is that mods are sort of like house-sitters. They feed the cat (guide discussions), they water the plants (warn/ban idiots, edit out spoilers), and in exchange they get some privileges ... like, dibs on whatever's in the fridge (higher pm quota), access to the nice tv (no gallery quota), etc. Sure, the privileges afforded may not make up for the inconvenience of the responsibilities, but at the same time, they're not such onerous things that you wouldn't do them for a friend (or for the sake of a place you like spending your time).
You are right. I was actually dismissing the biggest ship for two reasons: The one you mentioned: The mods are, even now that they are revealed, people who have all the time participated in perfectly normal discussion. For older members here it's easier to continue behaving as if nothing changed than suddenly start to be cautious when those newly exposed mods are around. And secondly because of the long traditions and relationships the mods hardly suddenly change their attitudes towards those same older members simply because they aren't ninja mods anymore.
Yeah, mods are people as well. Nobody comes here for any other reason than have fun. And thus it would foolish to expect the mods came here to do boring work. Sometimes fun is increased by stretching the rules a little bit, as rules must be strict for serious things mainly, not for things everybody could interpret as jokes. However, mods are the ones who define the limits of the rules. They are the ones that set the precedents. If mods set different standards for themselves, except for technical things, then the system starts to rot from inside.
The only exception to everything is the guy who pays the bills. He can do anything without responsibility. We are all here as his guests. And he would be paying the bills even after everybody fled the sinking ship.
comp, your metaphors never cease to amuse me :pQuote:
Originally Posted by complich8
Actually Ciber and Wilik define the limits to the rules, and those rules apply to all members, including the mods. We dont and shouldn't get special treatment just cuz were the enforcers.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kraco
Aye. But theoretical rules and rules in practice are two different things to an extent. And of course they aren't really all fixed, either. Theoretical rules can be whatever, what matters how they are enforced, and that's where the mods will define them.
for anyone who watched team america: World police you must imagine the weird thought that just raced through my mind.Quote:
Originally Posted by Phoenix20578
and also, the only surprising one on the list was bud...i knew assumed everyone else...(well okay one of the very HONEST moderators told me...and someone in the irc channel was blurting it out.)
to honest moderator: i told you it was impossible to be secretive ninja while being extremely honest! HA!
masumeehs wasnt there a thread in the old forum announcing his new mod-ship? or was i hung over that day... and i forgot, the other one that wasn't suprising, i was just completely clueless about was complich's other comp account.
oh and i'm surprised kitkat was a surprising one. She was the first one i found out about...but thats just me. i can solve hard puzzles, but miss the easy ones.
Excerpts from my AIM logs last year (edited a bit for the sake of brevity, and keeping CK's sn confidential):
[19:39] CK: hey, i'm surprised you didnt ban me
[19:54] engphysgirl: what? who is this?
[20:06] CK: Chaoskiddo
[20:07] CK: you kno ******************* and your also a mod
[20:07] CK: so i'm surprised, thas all
[20:07] engphysgirl: lol, how do you know I'm a mod?
*CK goes afk, comes back later*
[22:26] CK: oh and during yesterday's IRC chat Y spelled out all ninja mods:
[22:26] CK: you, assern, NM, terra (though i think he was kicked or something) and 1 more person
Excerpt from this year:
[23:31] CK: hmm, your still a moderator on gotwoot right?
[23:32] engphysgirl: yeah, stealth ninja mod!
[23:32] CK: ...your not very stealthy or ninja-y by telling me that
[23:33] engphysgirl: I'm stealth and ninja, I'm also painfully honest =P
I think I did a pretty good job of being secretive....the only reason people knew was cause of information leaks on irc, and once someone on irc knows something, the whole channel knows.
That was a big shock to me. I said a few harsh words to her in a thread but she was too nice. I guess its true what masamuneehs said about her that she certainly is one of the good copsQuote:
Originally Posted by Chaoskiddo
lol, at that time, the "other one" i was thinking of was assasin. then later on i forget what clued me in on raven. so...bud was the only shock here.
I always thought Bud was a mod. The only one that surprised me was masamuneehs because he's the newest member on that list by far.
Come on! Masamuneehs was most obvious of them all. He used to act as a mod even when he wasn’t one.
That VA article on the front page was the biggest clue
Yeah, but that was before I read those updates on the website. I almost never visit the website and when I did one day, I saw his posting. That was the surprise.
Masa's post on the front page shouldn't have been that big of a deal. As far as i know it wasn't cuz he was a mod. Ciber/Wilik wanted somre writers for stuff like that, but from what i can recall from irc, ciber said that most ppl that applied were pretty horrible.
oh and,
at that time you probably would've been wrong. I wasn't a mod when kitkat gained modship, it came later on.Quote:
Originally Posted by Chaoskiddo
Yep, Assassin's a complete and utter n00b. Oh, at being a mod too.
You didn't know I was a mod though.Quote:
Originally Posted by KitKat
Nobody dared reveal you, because true to your title you would have kept torturing people to death until you found the leak...
i was made a mod after Krb got the boot. same time as i got the OK to post on the frontpage.
btw, next frontpage feature will be out sometime after tuesday.
i also liked the ninja mod system. i hope people dont really give two shits about me being a mod or not. its still the same old me.
Yeah, that's the downside. I hope people won't act differently around us now that they know who we are.
I never did even when I knew most of your positions, a example of this is how I've bashed Assassin, even though i knew it could bite me in the ass. People will have to learn that you guys will not use your powers for no reason at all, and that you don't power-trip. I know of alot of other message boards that the mods will do what ever they please, I think this is where that fear of talking, dicussing and battling a Mod comes from. Of the many times I've seen action done by the Mods here I've always thought it was just (I will go on recond and say that the KRB fuckup is excepted from this, I'm very glad he was the worse rep on GW) and was for the good of the topic and not themselves. I've even seen Mods get edited by other Mods.Quote:
Originally Posted by Raven
This was discussed somewhere else, but has anyone else seen that the quality of posts gone up recently?
Bah. Sometime last year I got one post of mine edited (that is, the contents removed), and I still don't know today for what reason. That was plain abuse of power. A sudden whim of a capricious mod. Some other posts in a chain got also their contents removed, and some of them might or might not have had something to warrant it. I think it was just the old army method of punishing the whole group when a lone individual does something wrong (possibly).Quote:
Originally Posted by Deadfire
I swear I will never forget that wrongdoing as long as I live (or watch anime, which might be the same thing).
Damn you Deadfire for reminding me of this. I wouldn't have remembered it at all otherwise.
Where did this take place?Quote:
Originally Posted by Kraco
There was probably flamming or spoiling involved... No post that I have seen has gotten unnecessarily edited.
I bet it was one of those bleach discussions......or a reference to The Gaiden
Bud-sensei, teach me to be a great ninja like you!Quote:
Originally Posted by Budweineken
Actually, if I remember correctly, I was the first member of the Budweineken Worshippers group, and you promised me an autograph!
being a ninja isn't that hard. just don't say anything and no one will notice you....
Just as an aside so that you guys know my policies (I know that not all mods agree with me)... If I see a post way off-topic, I'll delete it. If I see a horribly written post, I'll delete it. I can discern when one person just is not good in English, and when there's simply a poor attempt at writing a coherent post. Post with excessive instant messaging lingo will be deleted (substituting numbers for words, l33t language, shitty abbreviations, etc.).
Here's a recent post I deleted:
For thread titles, I'm trying to keep at least the first letter Capitalized, so that the forums looks nice, so I'll be editing those. If I see that the thread title misrepresents the thread I'll edit it, for example putting "RAW" in new episode/chapter discussions in Naruto and Bleach. Excesive use of upper-case in the thread title will be edited. Poor English in the thread title will be edited.Quote:
just asked..
if there's a link, y it isnt on the torrent page?
n i think link 1 is a broken link, link 2 doesnt have 290 n i cant dl from link 3, sth abt dl excess.. can anyone help me? a bit new at this..
That's all.
I think you should edit a post and warn the person to not repeat the same thing again, when it comes to an uncoherent post. If you delete it write away, the person might not even know why it happened (unless you're PMing each person). If it continues despite the edits, then go ahead and delete.
Just my 2 cents.
When you delete a post, it lets the mod write a comment on why it was deleted... Isn't soft deleting viewable to everyone? I know in some forums using this software all members can see the comments on why the post was deleted, if that's not the case let me know.
Hmm, the impression i got from comp the other day was that soft deleting allowed mods/admins to see the posts, but they wouldn't be visible to normal users.
lets test this out..im going to make a test post under this and delete it. All regular users, let me know if you can see it or not
Maybe instead of deleting an incoherent post, you mods can warn the person and create a thread to put those horrible posts in. A "These are examples of horrible posts" thread, or something. It would give people examples of what not to do when posting.
Edit: I just thought of why this wouldn't work. If people can't read the rules, then I doubt they are going to read anything else either. Damn, I was too quick to hit the post reply button.
Yeah I just checked...Quote:
Originally Posted by Assassin
I'll restore the posts, but we should let members view soft deletes... They serve as an example, I guess I'll go restore that post I deleted.
Heh. Don't sacrifice another thought to that. While that was a true story, I made that post as a pure joke (in case somebody missed the not so hidden innuendo).Quote:
Originally Posted by AssertnFailure
no, i'm pretty sure you were already a mod (maybe new) because it acctually wasn't that long ago...last year was only 3 months ago, i have been on this forum for about 1 year.Quote:
Originally Posted by Assassin
and i started using irc around the summer. i'm sure you were already a mod by then.
I think Assassin would know if he was or not... unless he's on crack.
Dont you remember his picture from the previous forum on Fusetalk where he is all covered in smoke. ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by BOARD_of_command
BTW who changed the thread's smilie from ;) to :o
This :) would have been better.
You guys have too much power.
I WANT IT.