Honestly, these 3 otherworlders already give me the impression of changing to team Rimuru at the first chance. Unless they're more evil than expected. But I simply can't imagine a real, serious fight happen in this anime, especially not against humans. :/
As for the map, if you guys promise that it doesnt spoil important things, go on and post it. I just dont wanna be spoiled important plot stuff.
This is the official map prior to volume 4, which is the volume being adapted now. Don't know how readable it is:
https://i.imgur.com/u2aW2W6.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/u2aW2W6.jpg
I think what I'll do is just link it, and say SPOILER WARNING.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ryllharu
Here's the map. Don't click it if you don't want to see countries that haven't been introduced yet.
The World Map
The main thing I wanted to point out is how Jura is basically a barrier between all the civilized lands, and all the Demon King territories. So Tempest is literally the bridge between humans and monsters.
Yeah, but even WITH support and allies, they're STILL gonna get their asses kick if they attack Tempest. That's what'll make it funny.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kraco
Although the kingdom leadership was presented as naively evil and greedy, but there is some realism in how they behave, as would-be invaders. The king immediately judged an army of 17,000 soldiers isn't enough. It's a very sizable army in the old days, but not enough, according to the king. So, he wasn't all bonkers. However, if you think about it, the Tempest nation didn't even exist a few of years earlier. Sure, the forest has always been full of monsters, but they were individual ones or independent tribes of goblins and such. In a sense, it wasn't a major threat for outsiders, as long as the dragon stayed put and there were no unnatural disasters. Now there's suddenly, supposedly, a country there. How strong, developed, or united can it be?Quote:
Originally Posted by DarthEnderX
Oh, I'm not saying that they aren't being smart about it. They also sent a spy. Good on them.
My point is, no matter what preparations they make, if they want to take out the country, they're going to have to go through Rimuru and probably Millium. And, like...good luck with that. Bring as many soldiers as you want, it's not gonna matter.
The mage? She works for Cayman, not Falmuth.Quote:
Originally Posted by DEX
Clayman from the Cayman Islands.Quote:
Originally Posted by Buffalobiian
Well, they have 3 otherworlders at their disposal, we don't know much about them yet. They have the Church also joining in with the plan (with some dude with a secret art), and their plan relies on more joining in after orchestrating an event that will give them an excuse for a righteous war.Quote:
Originally Posted by DarthEnderX
As for Milim, she was at Clayman's castle at the end of the episode, and we know how good he's at manipulating and controlling.
Ohh...being from Falmuth, I was sure it was the Falmuth government that was having her spy on Tempest. I guess I missed the part where they established that.Quote:
Originally Posted by Buffalobiian
Unless one of their abilities is the ability to negate other people's abilities, I'm not worried about any of them being a threat to Rimuru.Quote:
Originally Posted by Munsu
This was more to my liking. Discussions with ramifications and some intrigue to be excited about. I hope that, however war is averted (I still expect it to be), it is at least more interesting than 'Don't you like our hotsprings? Oh? You're Japanese, too? Lets be friends!'. These other summoned people, if powerful enough and not caring about the balance of this world, might also be unreasonable and cause some real conflict.
I want Rimuru to have to bend, for a change, to keep the peace.
Also, around 6 minutes in, a new(?) BGM started playing that finally gave the feeling of the Sim City ambience some of y'all have been talking about.
That's the point, we don't know anything about them to dismiss them. We don't know anything about the capability of the Church either. We only have a rough idea of what regular humans are capable of, but that's about it. Also, Rimuru is not currently in Tempest as it is, so that's something to factor... don't know when the attack will take place though, and he can Teleport anyways so he can be back on a whim at any moment.Quote:
Originally Posted by DarthEnderX
Couple it with the fact that Clayman (where Milim is also at right now) is also trying to fuck with Tempest at practically the same time, Rimuru will be fighting on multiple fronts to just dismiss it as a non-issue, assuming they all attack at the same time. Though usually fantasy like this usually have us focusing on one enemy at a time, but we do have the spy already there and now this other nation is up to start some shit.
Honestly, I'm still wondering how strong regular humans got in the past before those summons became a thing. So far the strongest regular human appears to be the green-haired magician. Yourm is certainly the strongest, but he was trained by monsters, so that's not something regular humans in that world have access to.
I just wonder what kept the strong-ass monsters from invading the human kingdoms completely in the past, lol.
Wasn't there some thing about the everyone trying to steer clear of Veldora's cave for fear of him? And he's located pretty much right between the Demon King domains and the human domains.
Myulan isn't human, or at least she isn't anymore. At 6:44 in eps 28, she describes herself as a majin.
What Shizu was turning into through Ifrit's influence, though she notably died as a human by holding Ifrit off for as long as she did. I think that little shit that got eaten by the Orc Demon Lord was one as well.
Unnamed monsters also are drastically weaker than they are once they're named. Aside from Treyni and Gabiru (though Rimuru overwrote that for him, haha), Rimuru named everything in the forest personally, and Veladora named Rimuru (giving him a boost).
When MFauli said regular humans, I assumed he meant ones not summoned from other worlds.
Humans don't normally have magicules. So, the answer is they're weak.
Episode 29
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The moment Clayman decided to pick a fight with Rimuru for real.
This is probably the first episode this season where it actually felt too short. Can't wait for next week.
I'm hoping Myuran created a helpful barrier instead of an unhelpful one, and that all the effects are of the pyramid prison thing.
Her task was to stop communications, and Benimaru mentioned he can't contact Rimuru, so as far as that goes, I doubt she did something else than what was asked of her.Quote:
Originally Posted by Buffalobiian
And safe to say, everyone's fucked? It's interesting that they went ahead with this plan, when the first phase was to incite a commotion for a righteous war, but if they were planning to attack regardless... Not sure why they sent the 3 otherworlders with that mission.
Unless Rimuru is inside the barrier all along disguised bwahahahaha.
Edit: Just noticed that Rimuru didn't show up in the whole episode, is this a first?
You mean the attackers?Quote:
Originally Posted by Munsu
Cause nobody on the inside seems like they're going to be a real threat to Tempest's heaviest hitters.
And the guys on the outside maintaining the barrier are...outside...where Rimuru is.
The Milium stuff is the part I'm most interested in. Why is she attacking the Beast Nation? Is she just jealous that they befriended her bestie?
Shion dropped on her knees, out of strength, when the barriers activated. So, the heaviest hitters might not be that heavy anymore.Quote:
Originally Posted by DarthEnderX
Milim was in Clayman's office at the end of the previous episode. I don't think Clayman has a single friend, he's a real evil villain, not just one on paper, so she probably wasn't there for any benevolent reason.
I thought that was something her opponent did.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kraco
I guess technically you could be correct, but it was a continuum scene after the others when the barriers were activated. Usually you'd deduce it's related. If the dude had done it, he could have done it any time. But from his line, I guess I can see why you'd come to a different conclusion.Quote:
Originally Posted by DarthEnderX
Cause there was a multifaceted attack, stop communication so that they can't reach Rimuru and a barrier that apparently weakens them severely, I mean look what it did to Shion, unless this is one of the usual... I start weak when the attack first lands, then I persevere on my own strength type of deal.Quote:
Originally Posted by DarthEnderX
Did they mention what the barrier was all about? The otherworlder looked fine even while inside. To that point, is Myulan also affected by this barrier?
Maybe it's time for Youm to shine.
Last we saw him he was in another kingdom altogether, so not really where Rimuru is... but we all know how these shounens usually go lol.Quote:
And the guys on the outside maintaining the barrier are...outside...where Rimuru is.
Have to see if that was part of Clayman's plans or if she's doing it for her own reasons, she was seen at his office an episode ago I think if not 2 episodes ago.Quote:
The Milium stuff is the part I'm most interested in. Why is she attacking the Beast Nation? Is she just jealous that they befriended her bestie?
I did appreciate the manipulative evil woman being utterly shut down by Shuna and then politely asked to leave. Their reaction pretty much sums up their demeanors. They're moustache-twirling, sneering evil types who obviously enjoy torture and slaughtering their enemies because they can. The girl tried to outright kill the entire section of the street before Shuna shut her down because she was getting embarrassed and outclassed by Gobuta being super cool.
Myulan was ordered to create an anti-magic field, and judging what happened with the communications and to Shion, that's exactly what she did.
Monsters are powered by magicules, as we learned in the first season. So...things just got real bad for Tempest citizens. There's at least 100 soldiers in the immediate vicinity, and 17,000+ on their way.
Ah, so I thought what Myulan did was purely to block communications, but it's actually an anti-magic field and maybe what the Priest is doing is merely making it like a prison where no one can escape?Quote:
Originally Posted by Ryllharu
I'll have to rethink this as I thought the ones deploying whatever was affecting the monsters was the Priest's doing. Also, things look too coordinated to not think that Clayman has any part of these machinations, and to that end, is Clayman and the Priest in contact? Another agent?
I think it is safe to say that Clayman is playing both sides. That's kinda his thing. He was playing the fool who tried to raise a Disaster Class Orc Lord as well.
And thanks to Myulan's example, now we know how he uses people like puppets. He has her heart hostage, literally or figuratively to be determined.
Not sure how he's controlling, manipulating, or threatening Milim though, considering how overpowered she is.
Yeah, but the festival celebrating his return is CURRENTLY happening. Meaning he's already en route.Quote:
Originally Posted by Munsu
That's a very good point. Then again, these could be overeager monsters that to them they have to have everything ready because "Rimuru can come just any day now". Just seems like they're always preparing for his return lol.Quote:
Originally Posted by DarthEnderX
Rimuru can teleport.
The clowns aren't his direct subordinates? It has been so long I can't remember anymore. Maybe it's because their modus operandi is so similar to Clayman's that I thought so.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ryllharu
I'm not really sure either. The Clown Perverts don't seem to respect or fear him as much as Myulan does.
I meant the plague mask doofus with delusions of grandeur. I don't think they're in the same group.
I'm not sure I like the 'non-main character' other worlders to be so one-dimensionally evil. The school kids from earlier showed that they aren't necessarily all power tripping, so that helps, but this many just happen to be in that kingdom and have equally bad attitudes is a bit much for me. A bit of depth of character before they get 'friended' would go a long way towards making them more interesting additions to the cast, which I totally expect them to become.
Did not expect Youm to get a romantic partner, much less this one, but it is working for now; it's a good dynamic.
Once again, this looks like all out war, but will it be? Or will Rimuru somehow stop the full scale conflict from occurring? At this point, I wouldn't be that disappointed in a peaceful resolution, as we have established other nations are willing to interfere with Tempest sufficiently enough to feel like some push against his modernization of this world.
In a way I'm almost hoping we see an all-out human on "human" war to the death, with Dwargon and other allies coming to the aid of Tempest. That'd be cool to see... maybe, as to not rely everytime in the monster seeming OP abilities.Quote:
Originally Posted by neflight86
I totally expect Myulan to die, no way Yourm is getting dat pussy :( If her demon lord has her heart, which I believe to be interepreted quite literally, then he'll probably crush it after she betrays him. That will then spark a war between him and Rimuru and a greater conflict will take its course. Because as we saw this episode, the evil otherworlder are small fry.
Except for the totally absurd "everybody that's near me, dies" ability of the girl. How convenient that just in that moment Shuna was around to counter the ability's effects, eh. It's such an overkill ability. Like Avada Kedavra in Harry Potter. It's so absolute that it ruins any excitement.
Well, it's more like she suggests everyone to die I believe, so maybe they'd commit suicide if they're convinced? I'm not sure it's convenient that Shuna was around, this whole commotion had been going on for a while at that point, so stands to reason she went to investigate.Quote:
Originally Posted by MFauli
That said, that could be convenient is that she has particular powers that can block that...but is she the only one?
I imagine it only works on the weak-minded. There's quite a difference in making others believe a goblin is a lecher (you don't even need any special power for that) and making them believe they should drop dead. Maybe if she had thrown a smoke bomb on the ground and declared it's lethal poison, it would have helped to make the onlookers believe they are dying.
I get the impression that the kijin (Shuna, Shion, Benimaru, Hakuoro) abilities aren't defined, logical, or consistent in any way.
They're just arbitrarily "powerful" that manifests in completely arbitrary ways. Fireballs, spirit bombs, super strength, super ninja, super samurai, whatever.
They're stronger than everyone else, weaker than Rimuru. Author forgot to bother with the anything more detailed than that.
Too true, almost like Rimuru got himself a super team with little effort just for befriending this tribe.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ryllharu
She won't die. They have Rimuru. They also have crates of healing potions.Quote:
Originally Posted by MFauli
Can they rebuild a heart, assuming he does have it in his possession literally speaking?Quote:
Originally Posted by Buffalobiian
A full restore (the undiluted potions) heals from the brink of death including regrowing lost limbs, so maybe?
Ryllharu, the TenSura Encyclopedia lolQuote:
Originally Posted by Ryllharu
So Myulan is...a Majin? Do we know what that is already? Is she a human that got turned into a monster, or is she just a monster with a human form?
Quote self!Quote:
Originally Posted by DarthEnderX
People get turned into majins, Shizu would have been one, though what that specifically means or if there is any particular way it is usually done, we don't know.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ryllharu
We do not know exactly what that means as the audience, but the people of the world obviously do. They're heavily associated with demon lords. I would assume the Beastketeers from the first episodes this season were Carrion's majin the way that Myulan is one of Clayman's.
Can it happen to monsters? Probably can, assume so since we've seen a tiger and snake one.
Ah, so someone bound to a spirit maybe.
Does that mean Rimuru's students are all Majin?
Well, using Ryllharu's example and assuming he's correct... she was turning into one, so on that regard, not yet?Quote:
Originally Posted by DarthEnderX
Episode 30
Looks like we caught up to the scene where season 1 ended, and after all the waiting, finally we get a lot of action. I thought the monsters inside the barrier would be even weaker, but some of the high level ones have enough strength to put up a fight. Still the army entered and looks like they're taking no prisoners, at the very least the whole country is in flames.
And Rimuru is within a barrier himself fighting against another Japanese out for revenge, and getting handled in the process. Too bad we couldn't see this fight without a barrier weakening him.
It's like the monster country has zero defenses before the capital. And if fact the capital itself doesn't really have any defenses apart from the denizens.
Rimuru's list of enemies is growing longer. As expected of a powerful leader.
I'm a bit disappointed that the visiting humans haven't come out to defend the monsters.
They're entire plan was to bait the monsters into attacking them so they'd have justification for wiping out the monsters. But that part of their plan completely failed. All of the visiting humans saw them try and pick a fight and fail miserably. But now, the knights are wiping out the monsters anyway because the one guy is like "I'm being attacked!" and none of the other humans are like "No he isn't. He attacked them."
Without the barrier, it would have been the same Rimuru curbstomp we've been getting all along.Quote:
Originally Posted by Munsu
Well, to be fair, the entire Kingdom of Tempest is just one city. They don't even have any other towns or villages. So it makes sense there aren't a bunch of forts and guard towers around the kingdom either.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kraco
I'm sure he'll revise his build queue after this attack. :p
What I hate is that once this attack is over, Rimuru will forgive that bitch as well as the town attackers. No, not a spoiler, just my strong prediction. :/
What I want to happen: Rimuru kills the bitch. Returns to Tempest. Kills all attackers. Declares their kingdom the sworn enemy of Tempest.
That's what would be nice. It won't happpen. :/
Unfortunately it's pretty hard to imagine Rimuru killing someone Shizu wanted to save/protect. Even if that someone works for an enemy that has a mission to systematically and with extreme prejudice slay all monsters. What comes to the three other Japanese, Rimuru doesn't even know they exist, for the time being.
There are two sides to her at the moment, she indeed works for the enemy. On the other hand she's working under false pretenses, someone has fed her lies about Rimuru... and informed of facts that shouldn't be widely known. Does he have a traitor? Clayman's machinations once again? Someone in the kingdom where he was teaching?Quote:
Originally Posted by Kraco
But even if that's forgiven, still fact remains she DOES work with the Church which is an enemy to Rimuru, but she's Japanese so we don't know how loyal she is to that creed, though at the moment she seems fairly fanatical to her God.
Yeah. Typically folks who don't even want to bother to listen to replies to their accusations are pretty close to a lost cause. It would have been better, in a manner of speaking, if she had only talked enough to reveal her own name. The fact she wanted to talk longer but didn't want to listen at all isn't a very good sign. It indeed reeks of fanaticism. Not wanting to waste time talking would have just made her more of a professional.Quote:
Originally Posted by Munsu
I'm trying to figure out whether Rimuru ate himself, or ate her sword with Gluttony.
Exactly. Plus she only wants to kill him because she's been misled.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kraco
If we're lucky Rimuru's people will kill those knights before Rimuru gets back to stop them.
Do we know what Gluttony does? I know he got it from the Orc Lord. Has he ever used it before?Quote:
Originally Posted by Buffalobiian
He uses it to eat everything. His most recent use was against Shion's out-of-control attack this season.Quote:
Originally Posted by DarthEnderX
Seemed more like he left control to "gluttony". Whatever that means.Quote:
Originally Posted by Buffalobiian
Since he will obviously not be dead and thus wasn't hit, I don't know why his consciousness would fade away otherwise or why he get marks on his face after screaming "Gluttony - AWAKEN!"
So... probably both, he ate the sword and ate "himself". Maybe he actually got hit but since Gluttony is in control now, his spirit points are back to 100% since it's a different "being"
If it's some kind of "enrage", we might actually see him going on a rampage and kill both Hinata and the knights, depending on how it will play out.
Though I doubt it because even if he lost control, I don't see his berserker self returning to Tempest just like that.
He didn't really hesitate when he ate/killed all these orcs back then, right? Maybe he won't really hesitate killing these humans that destroyed his town either.
Not sure if this is like Overlord, where MC gets more and more "evil" along the way or rather if he is under some kind of invisible "game-mechanic like" influence that makes him sympathise with monsters way more than with his actual race.
Anyone have any idea what that quick flash of Veldora right before the attack started was all about?
Oh, that's the power he's been using all along? I thought he got some new eating power from the Orc Lord...Quote:
Originally Posted by Buffalobiian
Quote:
Originally Posted by DarthEnderX
What's the timestamp? Don't recall Veldora at all.
I think his face had a very short appearance as a flashing up/awakening type of thing, can't really remember when that happened exactly either but I kinda remember it happened.Quote:
Originally Posted by Munsu
Would like to know too, couldn't even find it when I was 4x speeding through the episode once more.
Buff is not quite correct.Quote:
Originally Posted by DarthEnderX
Predator was his original unique skill. That allowed him to pop open and absorb anything in close range, store it, and also mimic it.
Gluttony is the upgraded skill he acquired after the Great Sage ability to combine the Starving ability to...regenerate and eat anything from the Orc Lord he predated in the end of that battle. Gluttony added the ability to corrode things, and also increased the range on Predator.
Degenerate he acquired by using Predator on Shizu. It lets him combine skills, or tear aspects of things into different things, but in actuality seems to do whatever the story needs it to do, like protect Shizu from Ifrit for decades.
I stand corrected.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ryllharu
As for the Veldora face thing, it actually occured as Rimuru was saying goodbye to the school kids. His face popped up when Chloe hugged him, and that prompted him to give her the Shizu mask. Then he left, and got ambushed by Hinata.
Whatever that prompt was, I'm guessing that the mask gifting was required for some reason. I think we were speculating last season that the big boobed spirit that aided Rimuru when they were spirit gathering was Chloe.
1:57 on SubsPlease version. Earlier than I remembered it being.Quote:
Originally Posted by Munsu
Got it, I thought it was during the fight.Quote:
Originally Posted by DarthEnderX
Seeing the scene I'm not sure if it has any significance or if it was something the animators chose to show randomly just to illustrate that Rimuru felt something in his "gut" to give Chloe the mask, and used Veldora for that purpose.
Isn't that mask also supressing his magical aura or something?Quote:
Originally Posted by Munsu
I kinda remember something along these lines.
When he gave it away, maybe Veldora came "out" again, or rather, can be felt and seen again?
The face happened BEFORE he gave the mask away.
Well, he wasn't wearing the mask anyways and he still had it when that scene showed. Maybe it was a demonstration that he could hold back Veldora's aura or something without the need of the mask.Quote:
Originally Posted by KrayZ33
Not sure if it was aura suppressing, or magicule suppressing (or if they're different things as it is). I don't imagine it's magicule suppressing, since that would handicap him in a fight, but maybe prevents leakage.
31
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Lol. Fantastic. "He's unlocked his ultimate final form and become a soulless demonspawn!"
"I made a stupid looking monster clone and hid like fuck!"
I love you Rimuru. I'm curious to see what he doesn't now that he realizes he's been being naive and needs to get serious.
Darth Vader forbade disintegrations! Follow the orders, Hinata.
The two main reasons for war: religion and greed. Jura Tempest Federation was slammed with both.
Pretty smart of Rimuru though.
He showed Hinata exactly what she expected to see, a soulless monster that she could obliterate, and he got to witness all her higher level abilities in case there is a next time.
So nobody's gonna talk about the town aftermath, eh?
I find it absolutely bs that no important characters died. Like, how?! The 3 delinquents should have had no problem once the barrier was set up.
Also Rimuru reacting so 'cool' is just unsatisfactory. Yes, it might be the reasonable approach, but when dozens of your fellow citizens were murdered, more emotions are ok. I had hoped that he transforms into some huge, scary monster and changes his voice, targeting Myulan, showing everyone a glimpse of his true power when every limiter is removed. Ofc, he would have held back last moment, but at least Myulan could have pissed her pants.
Now nothing will happen and it looks like he'll even forgive Falmuth ('it's basically my fault because merchants prefer my economy over theirs'), :/
Too 'cool' reactions. I want Rimuru to lash out at least once.
No. It was perfect. A lesser character would have gone berzerker at that moment, but Rimuru recovers his composure and tries to get all the information he can before making a decision.Quote:
Originally Posted by MFauli
If he'd gone cliché rage mode, he wouldn't be learning about Clayman right now.
She wouldn't have done shit. She was clearly expecting to die.Quote:
Originally Posted by MFauli
I want to re-read this battle in the LN, for some reason I was under the impression that he had sacrificed his skill to die, as in permanently. But maybe I just fooled myself, since I'm pretty sure he's kept using Gluttony afterwards and I didn't pay much attention LOL.Quote:
Originally Posted by DarthEnderX
Need a reading comprehension 101 class again. Or maybe it had poor translations...
Although it also means, if there is a next time, Hinata won't simply believe any seemingly successful move of hers is going to finish Rimuru off.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ryllharu
Rimuru is clearly enraged. The subtle fist clench is a reaction we've never seen from him. He underestimated humanity in this world, and is finally seeing the horrible things humans are capable of, and how his misguided Japanese-centric civilized rules have hurt people he cares about.Quote:
Originally Posted by MFauli
But he's also a ruler. He's taken advice from the dwarf king on being an effective ruler.
He has to present a calm and collected face in front of his citizens. He owes it to them to think about this responsibly. Rimuru has to maintain an image of control in order to make the best decisions on their behalf. It's just usually been stupid shit like what clothing or building style to create. Now it is "Do I make humans our enemies so that the people I'm responsible for don't die on their knees trying to protect their kids?"
It's a one of the good reason why I kinda hate Overlord. Ainz' attitude gets adjusted all the time to be in line with his persona by the system itself. Rimuru doesn't get that "benefit."
Looks like he at least destroyed the rainbow sword.
The loss to Tempest is displayed, but I agree that a few 'named' character deaths (or at least one) would have driven the point home more effectively; though the few characters kept off screen were likely to perpetuate the fear of their deaths (to the audience) until it was revealed they were simply being treated elsewhere. Any loss of life is going to bother him, but the audience wasn't as endeared to those nameless citizens as to the core cast (who could use some slight pruning). That said, I don't disapprove of the scenario as a whole, and am glad Rimuru got to learn this lesson at a relatively low cost, since the attackers willingly withdrew before more damage could be done.
My criticisms have been met and assuaged, so now my interest if fully focused on the coming political navigation.
My only real problem is, why leave at all? Why not continue with the attack if they've already been successful and can already justify their attack as it is. Not sure what they gain by retreating and giving them a week, particularly if part of the plan was to keep Rimuru away through all this (not that they managed it). Unless they counted on Hinata already killing him, assuming all are in the know.Quote:
Originally Posted by neflight86
I assume they want to "peacefully" have Tempest surrender and subjugate themselves to the king directly so they can take the entire city and roads as Falmuth Territory. Everyone else will be a "monster" and killed outright.Quote:
Originally Posted by Munsu
Then they'd probably treat the sworn monsters as slave laborers.
It lets them continue to operate under the pretense that this wasn't an invasion, but a counter-attack that earned them reparations.
Their farce is that a human got hurt, so the knights "saved them", and now they're going to consult with the Church to work out whether monsters should be allowed to do their thing. That's why they're faking their bureaucratic process. They're going to make this "official".
edit: Ryll has answered.
If a quick, limited strike was the plan, it's better to stick to the plan. There were multiple variables involved. They couldn't be 100% sure Hinata would be able to slay Rimuru. They wouldn't actually know with absolute certainty there would be no disastrous surprises they could never imagine waiting for them if they spent too much time in the city with the limited group of knights and the three summoned lunatics. This all in addition to what Ryll already said.
Unless she doesn't realize it's a trick and thinks he just resurrected or something.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kraco
Episode 32
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The punishment was to experience her heart being destroyed for three seconds. Judging by her behavior, she barely felt anything. It was Youm who seemed to suffer much more.
The pacing of the series should have been such that the episode would have ended with Rimuru standing next to Shion's corpse alone. That way the audience would have actually thought, for a week, that she and the others are gone for good. Of course there was the talk about the chances being low and whatnot, but come on. But then again, this isn't really that kind of a series.
Wrong anime.
All these isekai series...Quote:
Originally Posted by shinta|hikari
I...can't imagine Rimuru actually killing 10k people. Even if they are assholes.
Wouldn't it be easier to just eat a Demon Lord? Like, specifically the one that's fucking with you?
Do these authors not realize how INCREDIBLY shit, cheap and lame it is to 'kill' characters only to bring them back immediately?! For a few minutes I truly thought 'hey, respect, they actually did something of consequence'. And then fairy-tale-outta-my-ass. :/
I can already hear you guys defend that shit, shinta already did, but no, this time you're objectively wrong. "Wrong anime"?! Bad writing is bad, no matter where it happens.
Also I agree with Darth, there's no where Rimuru is gonna kill 20k people. It's such a shit tease, because everyone knows it'll end with a happy end.
His post doesn't refer to that. I accidentally made my post in the Spider thread, and Shinta commented on that, saying it's the wrong anime. I moved the posts here. My mistake, that one. Sorry about that.Quote:
Originally Posted by MFauli
Quote:
Originally Posted by Kraco
Ah, ok. Sorry then.
I prefer real deaths too.
More DEATHS!
Agreed, not a fan of bringing people back to life, but it's within the expected parameters of this series. Not going to get hung up on that, but in return they better follow through on their promise of utter destruction of their enemies. Blood needs to be shed.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kraco
And yeah, poor Youm. Rimuru should've done it with her alone, not in his presence (title of your sex tape).
Also, was the fairy tale about Milim? She looked like her.
While I'm not a fan of bringing the dead back to life, if their death was as boring as this, I'm all for it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Munsu
I mean, it really sucked hard.
A "main"-side character like her deserves a better ending.
Like... imagine Boromir dying to an arrow when nobody was there to witness it.
Yes, they had a fight that featured her and all that, but even that got interrupted and it turned into a lame ass cav-charge scene which wasn't even shown on camera
Unfortunately, too many writers share that line of thinking . :/Quote:
Originally Posted by KrayZ33
I find nothing more boring than deaths that only occur with huge fanfare and drama leading up to the death. That's why we have this dilemma where all tv series place the death of important characters at the season finale, making it wholly predictable and thus lame.
Guess what's still the most shocking, impactful death in fiction to me? Kuririn's first death, during the original Dragon Ball. The heroes just had finished the tournament successfully, everyone's happy and going to party with a feast. Goku remembers that he forgot some (his dragon ball iirc), but Kuririn's like 'im gonna get it for you, you go enjoy the food, goku!'. And then ... nothing. Suddenly, Goku got a bad feeling. He runs back to where his stuff ought to be, and there it is: Kuririn lying on the ground. Goku goes up to him, then with audible, visible shock says: 'Kuririn is dead ...'.
I still get sad goosebumps when i remember that scene. An off-screen death of a major character. And it was like a punch to the gut. And because the writing was so good, it also lead directly into the next major arc.
I wished more deaths in fiction would ve handled that way. The sensationalist, dramstic death is just theatre. The casual death on the side? That's the kind of death that feels real and threatening.
I agree with Kraco that Shion's death was really badly timed in terms of direction and planning. It should have been at the end of one of the episodes, preferably the last one.
The shitty part is they subtly telegraphed it beautifully last episode. We had comments here saying "nobody important died, lame," but they were very carefully not telling Rimuru about Shion specifically. The clingiest, neediest of the oni, who quickly snaps him up and holds him under her boobs at every opportunity. The oni he had to take with him to visit the dwarves because she'd misbehave.
Geld and Benimaru clearly infuriated but not specifically saying why, everyone cutting off Rigurd as he was about to painfully blurt it out, the report that Hakuoro and Gobta were being treated by Shuna when we knew that Shion was badly injured from her own fights, etc. Specifically all avoiding bringing Shion up, and deflecting Rimuru's attention each time someone came close. Really well done, they just failed to close and time it properly.
The neat part is that they've also set this up painstakingly, though the details are spread out far enough that it obviously looks like Eren is sweeping in as a deus ex machina. She's not, aside from the reveal that she's an elf, which actually closes the trail of breadcrumbs:Quote:
Originally Posted by Munsu
- Eren and her two dumbasses clearly haven't fit correctly into the series for a long time. They hang around in Jura forest or other countries, usually nearly dying in the forest, but they're all over the map. Her being "connected" to the royal family kinda implies she's low-grade royalty, but doesn't that also sort of mean their party has been spying for the elves this entire time? That explains why they're all over the place, and frequently seen hanging around the newest nation on the continent.
- Last season, with the kids, they visited Ramiris' cave to get spirits to control the children's unbalanced issues that would eventually kill them. But there's a casual comment in there about where Ramiris' cave is. Deep in elven territory, where the elves wouldn't be too happy about them visiting without permission. Rimuru brushes it off, saying they won't be there too long (not knowing about Ramiris at the time).
- Ramiris is the demon lord (so she says) of the fairies, but more importantly has a huge influence on spirits.
- High ranking elves know about Ramiris, as Eren's fairy tale indicates.
That's 100% Milim in the fairy tale about the dragon (she's the twin-tailed dragon demon lord, after all), and that's absolutely Ramiris as the fairy queen. Same braided hair, just in a long single one instead of her two pigtails, and she's bigger (which adds many more questions about her specifically). Ramiris' boasting about who she is starts to make a lot more sense.
Elves, specifically the royals, knowing about spirit-related magic has been set up since the school arc, so Eren being revealed as a princess of some type, would also have the potential to consider that the souls were currently trapped.
This series is full of stuff that seems like it was retconned on the spot, but actually has a lot of setup that appears disconnected until it all clicks into place.
edit:
I was slightly off remembering after checking last season. Ramiris' cave is in Ulgrasia Republic, where their residents have intimate knowledge of the cave as a ritual. They're the ones stated as deeply connected to spirit magic. Ulgrasia Republic trades with the elves because their nation surrounds Ulgrasia, except by the sea. That was why Rimuru and the kids teleported there.
You remember a lot more details than I do, because I assumed Youm's party and Eren's party were the same group. I didn't realize there were TWO groups of human adventurers bumbling around.
It was CLEARLY Milim.Quote:
Originally Posted by Munsu
Guess she's half dragon.
Well, they DID do that to Balin.Quote:
Originally Posted by KrayZ33
Nah, the deaths of Zabuza, Haku and Jiraiya for example were certainly not boring.Quote:
Originally Posted by MFauli
No one seemed to actually care that Shion is dead, not even the oni tribe.
It hasn't even been a full night after the attack from what I could tell.
She got way too little build up for her death to actually matter in the first place, at least for the viewer, although that is probably true for just about everyone in Rimuru's town.
Not sure if I'd be bothered by anyone dying. They are basically cultists and not much more.
So perhaps her death wasn't what was "bad", evereything else around it was.
Can't remember the last time I felt so little when a side character died, I'm being honest here... and she was probably my "favorite" (if you want to call it that) out of the bunch
- Benimaru trying to kill Myulan doesn't count? He is holding back because Youm and the other wolf dude were protecting her though.Quote:
Originally Posted by KrayZ33
-Shuuna has spent the last 24 hours trying to keep Gobta and Hakouoro from dying (did he even know she had died while he was unconscious?). Gobta didn't know his buddy was dead, so Shuuna certainly didn't tell them while she was caring for them.
- Who knows where the smith guy is though...
I think they cared, they just didn't show us anything.
As Ryll said, bad things happening to Shion were telegraphed last episode.
I didn't expect her to die permemently in this series at all when we saw her.
And Rimuru is just going to give all those 20k soldiers an artificial heart with Myulan's help with the magical logistics side. I was hoping he'd kill them all. What'd be more interesting is what he'd do had Myulan NOT been resurrected.. I suspect he'd go ahead with the plan to kill them all, but now we'll never see him do it.
I wonder if Milim remembers all that fairy tail stuff. Also, she might be attacking the other kingdom because she thinks they're connected to her tragedy or something.
It really doesn't in my opinion, Myulan was the de-facto enemy inside their city that caused this mess. She isn't even human and thus doesn't fall into the "don't hurt human" rule which was established. I didn't relate him wanting to get rid of her to Shion's death in any way whatsoever, although that is probably the case. The thing is, this show didn't show it as such.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ryllharu
Them saying he lost his cool when he regained it in less than half a second after hearing Rimuru's voice once really doesn't make me think he is "enraged" or bothered a whole lot in the first place.
We obviously *know* he is bothered, but it just wasn't portrayed well enough.
But Shuuna didn't seem to care much either.Quote:
-Shuuna has spent the last 24 hours trying to keep Gobta and Hakouoro from dying (did he even know she had died while he was unconscious?). Gobta didn't know his buddy was dead, so Shuuna certainly didn't tell them while she was caring for them.
which is the problem.Quote:
I think they cared, they just didn't show us anything.
As you mentioned, they might have messed up the timing and such. I think there are several factors that lead me to believe that this whole issue has been mostly a non issue.
on another note:
I honestly hope that Rimuru will act similar to Ains from Overlord and will lose all connection the the human mind at some point.
Because killing 20.000 out of revenge or to revive a 100 doesn't seem like a fair trade
It's difficult to explain this.
Morally speaking it doesn't seem right, even if I take into account that they are marching in to kill and destroy. They are part of the army, it's not like they have a choice.
Who knows, maybe they even have reason to believe that monsters are bad (because they actually are since they attack others. Hell, even the monster nation has patrols to clear out monsters.)
Not sure if this is the right thing to do from my point of view, at least with so little emotional attachment to it all.
I sure as heck at least hope he won't act all holy about this.
You can call it extreme plot convenience that there just happens to be a human enemy army marching in to invade when Rimuru needs thousands of human sacrifices. Of course it's all related since the deaths Rimuru needs to deal with were caused by the preliminary strike by that human side, but nonetheless the whole moral side is pretty much reduced to zero. You are doing nothing wrong if you defeat an invading enemy army. In fact, you are doing things wrong if you don't defeat it, from a leadership point of view. Rimuru is responsible for the nation and people he's overseeing, so it's his moral obligation to defend them.Quote:
Originally Posted by KrayZ33
Imagine the same situation if there was no invading army and Rimuru would need to select a random town in a human country to annihilate, for the sake of becoming a demon lord. That would make him like Ains from Overlord.