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That was pretty intense. When you have fireballs raining from the sky, things truly feel epic.
Still, was it really necessary for for Pain to undergo so much distortion? Feels like shitty animation.
And somehow, Katsuya manages to stay on Naruto whose skin is supposed to be undergoing a constant proliferation/destruction cycle.
One word. Epic.
I agree. I have yet to watch it in high quility but I kinda felt the animation could of been done more better, if you pause it in some places you can find a good bunch of funny faces :D but yeah overall I enjoyed it so much, its better then reading the manga.
The animation and added scenes were crap. Sure the crater in Konoha was big but now it's so freaking big you can make an ocean in there and still not see the end? I was really hoping they would animate it better like they do with normal episodes. The animation kind of ruined it for me.
I disliked the animation, but it leads to something good it seems. Is he finally about to know the truth about yondaime?...
I hope so. I hope he kicks serious ass in the next episode.
If it's in 2 weeks, I wonder if it will be an hour special.
7/8 - No ep.Quote:
Originally Posted by Shadow Skill
7/15 - Normal 30 min ep.
7/22 - Normal 30 min ep.
7/29 - 1 hour special.
I enjoyed the ep, but yeah, the animation was really, really off, particularly in the first half. Almost to the point where it felt like a different show. Anyone else catch the road-runner legs at ~4:45? Come on, we aren't watching loony toons. I'm pretty laid back in that department - I can't think of another time where the animation really got to me - but it did here. Almost to the point where I'm siding with NeoCybercoin and saying it ruined the ep.
It was something different. I enjoyed the change of pace, the animation had to be so over the top that you can sense the epic calamity of it all. Albeit the elongating faces is way offbeat for this series but I don't think that can make or break an episode.
Parts of it were truly awesome, other parts looked so weird they made me lose focus from the ep and all i could think was 'what the fuck?'.
It looks like Nagato is seriously running out of power, and a big w00t on the Fourth living inside Naruto o.O
Also, Hinata isn't dead (yet?), yay :P
So....yeah. The first five minutes or so....like someone already said, it was like watching a Loony Toons cartoon. This is obviously the same team that did Naruto vs. Sasuke 2, which was awesome, but it seems like they had no editor on this one. Nobody to tell them "Okay, that's enough." Because they just went insane with it.
It got better from the point where he destroyed his crystal.
I immediately went to the manga after this because there were a ton of characters using abilities they didn't have previously, not surprisingly, none of it was in the manga.
Most notably, all of the Kyuubi's fire attacks. Aside from the fact that he's red, there's never been anything to suggest that he can use the Fire element before now.
I also thought it was strange that Pain, who previously could be taken out pretty easily if you could actually get past his Push, was all of a sudden completely immune to damage. Even blocking the Kyuubi's physical attacks, which in addition to causing massive damage, have been shown to burn flesh. As expected, the Kyuubi never really makes contact with Pain in the manga.
Also, Pain has Water element powers since when?
So yeah, the animators went crazy with the making shit up.
But aside from all that....
Woot! Boobs are alive! ALIIIIIIVE!!
Poor Kyuubi almost gets out and then BAM! 4th's Ghost.
I do think it's cool that the Kyuubi basically regrows as more tails come out. At 4, Naruto is like his blood, then he gets a skeleton at 6, and muscles at 8. I'm guessing at 9 his fur grows back.
Also, Sage of the Six Paths made THE MOON! He's the Anti-Piccolo!
yah, i also thought that this was pretty strange. just like you guys said before: Loony Toons. But the scene were Kyuubi-Naruto hammered pain into the ground was really funny ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by DarthEnder
hope next episode will have less ridiculous animation.
the inside-Naruto-scene was great :)
The overall emotional intensity made me easily forget/overlook the bad animation. Freakin' epic... I almost strangled my computer when the ED came up because I wanted more. Another two weeks...
Side note... the new ED I thought was pretty awesome, and appropriate for 4th of July coming up.
yeah i have to agree with this... the horrible animation totally ruined the ep for me... road runner legs looked silly and stupid... only things i liked are that hinata is still alive and the 4th seems to be living inside narutoQuote:
Originally Posted by NeoCybercoin
i was just thinking wtf was that... so cheesyQuote:
Originally Posted by LunaticCat
exact opposite for me, all emotional intensity was lost... what a waste it could have been a much better episodeQuote:
Originally Posted by kmkze04
It was completely the other way around for me. The animation was so bad it kept pulling me completely out of the moment with wth double takes, which caused me to loose any feeling of emotional intensity. At least for the first part of the ep. It was better in the second half, still little things, but small enough that I could ignore them and really get into the feel of it.Quote:
Originally Posted by kmkze04
Heck, there are filler episodes (lots of them!) that did a far better job of telling the story and drawing me in, even if the story they were telling isn't as good.
Well everyone's right about the bad animation at the start. What I meant more was that once the intense scenes towards the end started kicking in, I forgot all about the bad animation before it and got drawn into the scene. If I had only watched the first section, I'd be crying in Pain of my own.
Except for the railroad spike Pain getting hammered in. That was glory.
After the road runner legs scene I tried to tell myself I didn't really see anything and proceeded to forget it. But it surely was a glorious epitome of the weird animation in this episode.
Still, there were some good scenes and forgetting the loony and otherwise compromised details the general mood of the episode wasn't bad. It conveyed the utterly chaotic and inhuman nature of Kyuubi when Naruto drops the control. Although Pain suddenly and inexplainably scaling up to meet that alien power somewhat detracted from that atmosphere.
I understand many people's anger for the animation but I kinda of understand the style choose for it. They showed a lot more extreme emotion with the kind of animation. It was more like trying to show you just how sickening the power was of both fighters. At times that animation can get annoying but I think it's to express a great magnitude of emotions and power.
The style didn't show extreme emotion at all though.
In fact, even moreso than the Loony Tunes comparison, the first thing that came to mind watching the Kyuubi in the first part was Luffy's 3rd Gear. The way he kept ballooning up all over the place.
It's like, the Kyuubi is supposed to look all sleek and angular. Not all puffy and rounded off. There were scenes where it looked like they drew him with mouse ears...
The part that made me lol was right after that. When Pain's head is poking out of the ground going, "Do you hate me?"Quote:
Originally Posted by kmkze04
I don't see the slightest shred of this. You can show extreme emotion just fine without twisting someone's head like play-do, and someone's legs turning into a blurry circle when the run doesn't look powerful, it just looks stupid.Quote:
Originally Posted by LordGardenGnome
At first the animation confused me and made me think Pain transformed or something. A few minutes in I just settled with that the manga art was also this weird, and watched the episode for what it was, and checked later.Quote:
yah, i also thought that this was pretty strange. just like you guys said before: Loony Toons. But the scene were Kyuubi-Naruto hammered pain into the ground and he survived was really funny
In any case, it's good now that I can forget 99% of what happened in this fight, since I would never figure out how the two can adapt their powers into laser beams.
The super high-speed motion scenes are drawn like that on purpose. It isn't "bad animation", the style is just hit or miss for people. It's something you either love or hate. The entire episode was done by very high profile animators. I dare you to find one badly drawn scene in the episode that isn't a high speed motion shot.Quote:
Originally Posted by kmkze04
http://img18.imageshack.us/img18/982...rutoshippo.jpgQuote:
Originally Posted by arondruiz
This episode is completely distorted.
Just as Aizen planned.
the style was animated badly. it's not like this is the first time ever that "super high-speed motion scenes" were animated.Quote:
Originally Posted by arondruiz
:D Yeah, that one;or Nagato bleeding out of his nose....Quote:
Originally Posted by Buffalobiian
It was a good episode, but I think that it I liked it more in the Manga. The fourth showed up at the very end of the chapter without any clues.
Oh Good Lord, what did i just watch?
The motherfucking 4th hokage came out of fucking nowhere and nobody cares because apparently they got Wile E. Coyote and the Road Runner to animate this week's episode.
And not just the way they animated it, God Realm's Force Push is now a force field too against the Kyuubi's pew pew lasers and spewing fire. I don't even know where to begin in describing how much shit was made up for just this one episode. They even went as far as having him smile, something that we've never seen him do ( for reasons not yet explained ).
Someone needs to make a gif or a meme of Pain getting hammered down and then popping out his head and asking "Do you hate me?", that shit was fucking hilarious.
This.Quote:
Originally Posted by arondruiz
I really, really enjoyed the animation. Apart from the roadrunner legs, which was pretty terrible, I think most everything had its place. Sure, it was super over the top, but it's such a welcome change of pace as far as I'm concerned. I even like that picture of Pein, it's just such a total mindfuck considering the emotionless bastard we know and love.
This style isn't always pretty. It's very fluid, but its randomness is not something everyone appreciates. It is something done to capture attention and it's in the same vein as the eternal anime staple of the distorted face/blank eyes/exaggerated expression, just on a more realistic scale. I guess I just like all that crazy shit, I did enjoy Kaiba.
I feel differently as it relates to the story. As stated, things weren't at this level of chaos in the manga, so Tendo wasn't catching death blows on a regular basis. It makes no sense for Tendo to survive all that after the other Paths of Pein were dispatched with a fraction of the effort. They are just corpses, after all. Tendo getting hammered into the ground was cool, and another thing I thought was really funny was Tendo going Bruce Lee on the Kyuubi's rock projectiles (2:48).
You say all this because you read the manga so all this came unexpectedly and fun to watch, imagine what sort of mindfuck this imposes on someone who's just following the animeQuote:
Originally Posted by The Heretic Azazel
I went back and read the chapters after watching this, but they happened so long ago I had only remembered a couple of key points anyway. The manga is far enough ahead that the anime is enjoyable to relive.
Don't misunderstand me. Of course it's not "wrong" for anyone to not have enjoyed it, it's an acquired taste. If it were like that all the time I'm sure I would grow pretty tired of it, but it's cool to see how a different team handles the most epic fight in the story up to this point. It just needed something different from your average animation.
That's bullshit because I absolutely loved the exact same style being used in fights like Oro vs. 3rd and Naruto vs. Sasuke 2. This episode was just straight up done shitty. It's like I said before, it's as if nobody told them they were going way over the top.Quote:
Originally Posted by arondruiz
I know right! Way to COMPLETELY ignore all of the stuff that was established previously. I mean, it was like a major plot point that entire episodes were hung on that the push has to be recharged after each use, so that rapid fire attacks are like his weakness. But then we have him using his Push as a forcefield against the Kyuubi's gatling fireballs.Quote:
Originally Posted by Archangel
I don't mind the quality of the animation. We've all seen worse. Anyone recall the animation during Sasori's part of the story? all those horrendous puppets; team gai fighting clones of themselves? remember how stiff, crappy, and slow the fighting was during their screentime? Put that same animation applied to what we just saw and i'd pick the "looney tunes" version anyday.
All in all, i really enjoyed the episode.
I simply took it as a programmed personality/hologram/whateveryouwannacallit that's part of his seal.Quote:
Originally Posted by Archangel
The seal was designed so that Minato pops up and helps Naruto somehow - with the end result being Naruto has 100% control over the Kyuubi without consequence.
It's probably his ghost.Quote:
Originally Posted by Buffalobiian
You know, like how Kakashi talked to his dad's ghost.
Only, you know, the 4th can do it while Naruto is still alive because he rocks so hard.
we know that the 4th mastered space-time-jutsu and the "other world" is just a different dimension. so, somehow, this makes sense.Quote:
Originally Posted by DarthEnder
btw: wasn't the 4th standing on a mountain or something before he stopped Naruto? (I can't really remember.)
But we've been told that casters of the Death Seal get to spend eternity with Death or something.Quote:
Originally Posted by LunaticCat
He stood on GamabuntaQuote:
Originally Posted by LunaticCat
That's what the third said.Quote:
Originally Posted by Buffalobiian
[QUOTE=ASSpirine;466245]He stood on Gamabunta
He was talking about in the episode when Naruto was walking towards the seal and we see the 4th chillin' on a mountain and opening his eyes as Naruto got closer to the seal.
I did like how the Red Water (chakra) turned Blue again after the 4th got there.
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Originally Posted by DarthEnder
It wasn't that big a stretch if you think about it. If you don't think much about it then it seems out of place from what just happened episodes earlier, sure. I'm gonna assume that when there's only one Pain left standing he becomes substantially stronger since Nagato can focus all the chakra to him. I'll also assume YahikoPain would be the strongest and most resilient of the bunch to begin with just from the emotional attachment of the body. While we did see the other Pain bodies taken out by much less we never saw this one need resurrecting or display much weakness even after taking some hits from Saged up Naruto.
For the 5-second rule, it did say that the cooldown would be longer if he increased the power. How do we know that this wasn't simply him using a massive Push that kept pushing for a few seconds? If Naruto's rasenshuriken was as strong as the beams of hatred kyubii was launching then we mighta seen some outline from the Shinra tensei.
What I really don't get is how youre confused over the kyubii's pure chakra beams. It's perfectly normal for him to make a giant ball of it then shoot that but making to a beam form it is too much a stretch?
I can guess a solely anime viewer would enjoy the ep more than a manga loving twat like myself.
That little tidbit about the Death Seal always bugged me. Based on the fact that the Death Seal kills the user after its use what happens to the souls after is probably more speculative than anything else. That is, unless someone summoned the death god by sacrificing someone else's life and then asked the thing what it did with the souls it ate.
that's what I meant.Quote:
Originally Posted by iMUSTbeTHEdevil
I think it was just some random foreshadowing to what was going to happen in like 5 seconds
This fight is memorable alright. For the good or bad reasons, it will be remembered by every naruto fan.This episode felt like dragon ball. The first half of the episode was crazy in every sense of the word.
Sankaku has an article about this ep. Site NSFW.
Naruto Achieves Legendary Quality
The whole community seems to be split on this
The guy who did this episode is a legend in japan. I doubt they give a shit about what the overseas fans think. Episode 133 was huge there and so will this one be. The best Naruto episodes were done by him, from 30 to 71. So they could careless.Quote:
Originally Posted by Archangel
Damn, after reviewing that stuff in the link Marik provided... it was even worse then i could remember...
Seriously, it looks completely retarded.
+1Quote:
Originally Posted by Penner
http://www.sankakucomplex.com/wp-con...-quality-3.gif
Yeah they went too far. They should remake the entire thing.
wtf... you guys are serious?
In my opinion, this episode was the most awesome we ever had
I can't believe you dislike it just because there were like 4 seconds of funny faces and road-runner legs.
the rest was totally impressive
we had lazers, force fields/shields, some kind of death-star
kyuubi action, extreme enrage and a very dramatic climax at the point where the kyuubi reached the 8/9 tail form.
yes, I'm serious
the animation made clear that pain is nothing more than a dead puppet.
and to mention it again
SO MANY LAZERS AND PEW PEW
I'm being serious, this was a lot better than the fight with Team-Sasuke and the eight(?) tailed beast. *that* fight had even *more* silly scenes but it was still good and great
and this ep had 20 minutes full of non-stop kyuubi/high-level fighting
thats exactly what I wanted to see and what I got.
thats what *EVERYONE* here wanted to see for weeks and now you guys hang yourself up on a few silly animationes
Facial expressions were still a lot better than the "more detailed" normal animation of Naruto
I nearly had to vomit after seeing the preview for the next ep, because it reminded me how boring and full of lame shit this series is normally..
just my 2-kyuubi-enrage cents for you
bye :)
YEAH! Ya know what.... Imma stand by my original convictions. Cause you're right, and I was right. It wasn't like that was the entire episode. But if you look at the stills and gifs playing over and over then yeah youre gonna think it was the whole 20 minutes.
btw; my last post, total sarcasm.
whoa. Atsushi Wakabayashi came in as episode director and sakkan on this ep.. and it honestly isn't even recognizably Naruto. The action sequences were so wildy intense and off the wall. Everything was super energetic and flashy. It was nothing like a conventional Naruto episode, or episode of anything else I can think of. I loved every minute of it. Honestly if every episode was this energetic I'd enjoy this series a lot more.
It was some brilliant experimental animation in an industry that is so stagnant and generic these days.
It's mostly the people who take the manga way too seriously that hate the episode. The other people who hated the episode are the art-freaks, but I don't know why. Who cares if the action scenes have sketchy art? The talking scenes in the episode (where art actually does matter) had some of the best art this series has ever had, while the action scenes had some of the best animation this series has ever had.Quote:
Originally Posted by Archangel
I'd say this episode easily had the highest budget of any episode that the big 3 Shounen have put out to date (OP/Bleach/Naruto)
The battle was pretty epic. Although I personally didn't like the animation all that much. I know they were trying to make it look like they were moving super fast but common! Not to mention how animated Pain's face was, when for all the other times he was seen his expression was somber. In my opinion, Pain should not still be standing... Sage Mode Naruto took down 5 of the Pains, so 6 tails should be more than enough to take down one little Ninja. Granted Tendo/Tendou's power is pretty overpowered. All in all I hope the animation returns to normal.
Yondaime 4 T Win!
I love the new ending. Awesome song and awesome animation. And best of all... no more crappy ear-bleeding ore ska band.
Did Naruto just broke a collar worth 3 mountains?
Yondaime looking awesome.
And nobody is gonna mention it ever again xDQuote:
Originally Posted by RyougaZell
it seems re-reading this over and over isn't going to help me. no clue what you're trying to say here.Quote:
Originally Posted by RyougaZell
Tsunade's necklace was worth 3 mountains according to Shizune, back when Naruto won it.Quote:
Originally Posted by redcat
Though your confusion may come from the word collar... I assummed it was a synonym for necklace, since thats its spanish word. Archie understood though.
A) We`re serious yesQuote:
Originally Posted by KrayZ33
B) Best episode ever? i loled
C) It was far more than 4 seconds
D) Road runnder legs, Pain got nailed, Pain yelling like a retard, Kyuubi looked like the tazmanian devil at the beggining, the beyond retarded and humanly imposible expressions Pain did
E) Lazer and pewpew? a screen with fast changing colors would be just as entertaining
2/10 -.-
I definitely liked this episode but hated half the animation. I liked the pacing and where they were going with it, though. I say do the exact same episode and double the budget. It would be the best Naruto episode we've ever seen. As far as Pain taking those hard hits: remember, Nagato's not really taking any hits. I also bet that God Mode Pain is extra beefed up defence-wise because he is the strongest and is one Nagato would not want to lose during a fight.
That's some advanced structural modification there.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sam98034
If he can take a mountain landing on top of him, you wonder why he has to avoid damage at all.
Oh for the love of...
DON'T start trying to make sense of this, there is no plausible explanation for half the shit that went down. The animators just decided to get cheeky and experiment their asses out, it was almost all completely filler.
there is no plausible explanation for half of the shit that happens in the anime in the first place
I don't get why you complain about some extra action.
the "hammertime" scene made at least clear, that the pain bodies are no living beings. when naruto was able to take one body out by punshing it in the face before i was like "wtf? isn't it supossed to be some kind of zombie?"
During the Naruto vs Sasuke fight, Naruto had his neck broken etc. and nobody complained because KYUUBI POWA SOLVES!! right? pah
puppet pain was able to do shit too even though his body was totally smashed into pieces.
ya sry, probably 8 secondsQuote:
C) It was far more than 4 seconds
pain yelling like a "retard"?Quote:
Pain yelling like a retard, Kyuubi looked like the tazmanian devil at the beggining, the beyond retarded and humanly imposible expressions Pain did
if you are talking about the scene where he created the big rock in the sky,
that was probably one of the best/better and more realistic facial expression we've seen in Naruto
and there is absolutely nothing wrong with the how the kyuubi looked like
you know, I disliked that scene too (but I guess I'm the only one)Quote:
Originally Posted by KrayZ33
That's right but PuppetPain was a puppet. The others were chakra-controlled zombies. and if your bones or muscles are destroyed you can't move - even if you're a zombie (but of course I don't know any zombies, so I might be wrong) ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by KrayZ33
I'm inclined to think most of the Pains are more like flesh golems. A zombie is an autonomous entity, after all, even if all it does is wander around and indiscriminately attack all living beings in the hopes of catching some brains. Pains, however, seem to be simple extensions, that is, puppets, under Nagato's power and control. Jiraiya proved this by catching one and separating it from Nagato, which rendered the thing comatose.Quote:
Originally Posted by LunaticCat
Although this doesn't really change what you said. I believe there needs to be some structural integrity in the body, in addition to the rods, for Nagato to be able to control it. An all messed up pile bones and flesh would likely be out.
Not really.Quote:
Originally Posted by Krayz
It would make no sense for them to be down from Jiraiya's swords otherwise.
This episode was certainly entertaining. Honestly only three things really bothered me, things that could have easily been avoided:
Meep Meep! Road-runner-Pain was a bit much, especially when you can see him later not moving his legs but simply flying with his feet skimming the ground. Would have been far better to go straight to that. We've already seen him fly, so it is not too far a stretch. Then again nobody seems to complain when the green beast loses his legs in a blur of motion. I think if the road runner didn't exist, this would have been more bearable.
The initial face-melting inertia effect was a bit much. I actually liked the stance and facial expression made when using 'Planetary Devastation'. The nose bleeding as well really fit in. The initial one though just seemed like crappy animation.
The amount of damage Pain was able to absorb with no effect. Specifically being hammered into the ground was, while funny, a bit much. He must have one hell of a spinal column to pull that off, or very sharp feet. Being crushed with little to no effect would have been more plausible. Love the way he used his flying ability to pull himself out of the ground.
Naruto seemed to do quite fine. All of his moves we've seen before in some form or other. We've seen the reaching hands and shape shifting effects against Orochimaru. We've also seen a stronger version of the fire ball effect against Orochimaru (when he ate the huge clump of chakra then vomited it back out in a blast of fire): not a far stretch that he can shoot smaller balls of fire at will, or maintain a precise continuous beam for a short time. Only problem I have with him is likely to be shown next episode: his flame retardant clothing!
One thing nobody is talking about is where Pain stores all his metal poles. I have my theories but there aren't many places you can cram almost two body-lengths worth of metal pole. I suppose he is a masochist, but is he really that big an asshole?
For the records, I hated this episode. The only portion of the manga I've read is the very first book (a gift from a friend). And I'm not much of an art critic - I've never once complained about or been bothered by an episode's animation. The fact of the matter is that even if this animation was a brilliant leap forward, its clear a large portion of the viewer base disliked it. Which means it was a mistake. Its one thing for fans to get upset over something that happens in a story, or over manga vs anime (since they have to add material to animate and no one will like it all) but to put out an episode like this that bothers so many fans purely due to the way they animated it is a mistake on the studio's part, plan and simple.Quote:
Originally Posted by arondruiz
same with me, but i do not hate this episode at all. I just don't like the animation and the fact that they made Pain unbreakable.Quote:
Originally Posted by Azonalanthious
I simply ask myself the question:
"Would this episode be just as good if the art was cleaned up?"
My answer is: most likely.
seriously guys, it's 1 episode out of 167. After they receive so much negative back-lash, they won't try it again, and we can all go back to having a never ending, repetitive series. 50 episodes down the line you won't even remember this happened...
I have to admit that an episode of Naruto isn't the best place for the creators to flex an artistic muscle, but I am disappointed that even though they thought to do it, it was so poorly received :\
I`m going to go for half the episode thanks.Quote:
Originally Posted by KrayZ33
Anime rule #45574: Just cause it`s more reallistic doesn`t means it looks good. This is a series about ninjas that can *insert random ninja technique here*, fuck realism.Quote:
Originally Posted by Krayz33
At the very beggining when he starts throwing rocks (i think?) he looks pretty much like Taz, i can`t be bothered to look into this sin of an episode again, so i`ll just take it back, the Kyuubi looked brilliant.Quote:
Originally Posted by Krayz33
http://img824.imageshack.us/img824/8...uoanimatio.jpg
http://img139.imageshack.us/img139/3...uoanimatio.jpg
Kyuubi, superior animation at it`s finest.
and why do you complain about non realistic movements and such?Quote:
Anime rule #45574: Just cause it`s more reallistic doesn`t means it looks good. This is a series about ninjas that can *insert random ninja technique here*, fuck realism.
and again theres is nothing wrong with the kyuibi
it can change its form freely, so what?
its a fiery, formless, mass of hatred.
i thought it doesn't have to be realistic?
this episode had more style and better animation than 95% of what we saw in naruto so far.
the camera angles and the switches seen at 5:06-5:13 onwards forexample were totally well done. and the first half was full of thatQuote:
I`m going to go for half the episode thanks.
lol, bullshit a total realistic looking anime-series or movie, would be the perfection of animationQuote:
Anime rule #45574: Just cause it`s more reallistic doesn`t means it looks good
and realistic looks have nothing to do with realistic content.
To be fair it wasn`t realistic, it was silly and cartoony.Quote:
Originally Posted by KrayZ33
He`s formless now? i always thought he was shaped as a fox and thus is referred as the nine tail demon fox, guess you learn something new every dayQuote:
Originally Posted by KrayZ33
I thought you liked it realistic? again, it wasn`t realistic, just silly.Quote:
Originally Posted by KrayZ33
And then you woke upQuote:
Originally Posted by KrayZ33
Yeah... no, i won`t bother seeing the episode again as already stated.Quote:
Originally Posted by KrayZ33
I'm sorry, but didn't he survive a direct hit from Sage Naruto, who was shown lifting huge stones and sending boss summons flying? If he can survive a kick from Naruto or a punch from Sage Jiraiya mountains shouldn't be a problem.Quote:
Originally Posted by Buffalobiian
He did? When?Quote:
Originally Posted by antiravage
And it's not like every single one of Sage Naruto's punches are capable of moving mountains. Remember how much effort they need (and time they need to gather energy) to lift a single toad statue?
If Sage punches where that powerful on their own there'd be no need to waste time charging Rasengans.
I enjoyed this episode. Was different. :)
Who cares if they looked like the road runner and the tasmanian devil. The fight and story was epic. I shouldnt say story, not much of it.
I thought the 3rd learned his death seal from the 4th? I thought the 3rd couldnt perform it as well as the 4th? So wouldnt the 4th's Death Seal be superior in some way? I thought the 4th created the Death Seal or am I wrong?
I've never heard of the 3rd being subpar at sealing than the 4th.Quote:
Originally Posted by Shadow Skill
The 4th sealed a fricking demon, the third failed to seal one man. I'd say the results alone speak for their difference in skills.Quote:
Originally Posted by Buffalobiian
The Third sealed the First, Second, and the arm of Orochimaru while having a sword impaled in him.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kraco
don't forget to mention that he was +-30 years older when he used the sealing-jutsu.Quote:
Originally Posted by Buffalobiian
but the 4th is stronger anyway - I mean he was able to split Kuubi's chakra somehow and now we even see him inside Naruto! Great guy ;)
Bah, they weren't the real First and Second. They were just apparitions powered by Oro's sacrificed pawns, and thus only as powerful as those nameless pawns, even if they knew the original techniques.Quote:
Originally Posted by Buffalobiian
Did they ever mention this somewhere?Quote:
Originally Posted by Kraco
If it was the case, it hardly makes sense for Oro to choose such weak pawns to power such strong cards.
Why not use 2 of the Sound 4s then? Equivalent exchange doesn't seem to be a law in this anime.
If it was Oro plus fully powered First and Second versus lone Third, I think the loser would be very swiftly obvious, even if we don't really know much about the First and Second's level of power.
Besides, how much sense does it make that by sacrificing some loser you get to resurrect some uber mofo with full powers yet completely obedient? If such a miracle technique existed, everybody and their cousins would be using it and all the fights in the series would be between zombies.
So, no, it wasn't said anywhere but logic dictates it.
Exactly.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kraco
From the observing ANBU's point of view, it seemed very much like a "Hokage-level battle" to him - I have no reason to doubt him.
The outcome showed that the Third had no way of defeating them, and resorted to the Death Seal, which not only kills him, but binds his mentors' souls to hell forever.
It was most certainly a one-sided battle.
The two Hokages weren't completely obedient until Oro put those two tags into them.Quote:
Besides, how much sense does it make that by sacrificing some loser you get to resurrect some uber mofo with full powers yet completely obedient? If such a miracle technique existed, everybody and their cousins would be using it and all the fights in the series would be between zombies.
So, no, it wasn't said anywhere but logic dictates it.
It was also mentioned that this was a Forbidden Technique, something that was sealed from general knowledge, and probably read by Oro when he camped those archives in his younger days.
Techniques require understanding to perform. Just because everybody knows the Substitution Technique doesn't mean they can all perform this.
Or, maybe they could, since as I said, we know nothing about it other than that it's forbidden.
edit: The following doesn't prove a point, but just for kicks, Oro had to gather samples from the First and Second to perform this - Third mentioned something about raiding their graves.
I read the manga second and the reason I immediately did so after watching the episode was because the fight introduced about a half a dozen major plotholes. And sure enough, after reading the manga, I was able to confirm that none of those plotholes were because of Kishimoto's writing.Quote:
Originally Posted by arondruiz
Haha. Didn't Naruto learn the shadow clone technique from a forbidden scroll? That's about as much as I respect anything forbidden in Naruto. If something's forbidden, it only means you don't want all manner of rogues and enemies to possess it - just like nukes of our world. But still lots of people are going to harbour it. If we believe half of what Madara told Sasuke, Konoha would use the technique readily if it really was as powerful as you said. And even if Madara was full of bs, Konoha would still use it in a tight spot.Quote:
Originally Posted by Buffalobiian
Man, why doesn't that scroll ever come up again?
Who would use it? I don't even know who actually has access to this scroll.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kraco
As for "respect" of Forbidden Techniques being forbidden.. some have more than others.
Yours seems to be in league with Oro's.
Regarding the famous Shadow Clone, it's been explained that it was withheld due to concerns over the user's safety. (which I'm sure you remember)
Sage Jutsu would be a Forbidden Technique too, due to the potential dangers of people turning into frogs while trying, if it wasn't for the rarity of knowledge, teachers, or toad oil.
In any case the sole reason for my arguments in the place is my dislike of that particular fight. And that dislike stems directly from the suggested h4x0r level of power of that resurrection jutsu. I mean, supposedly one could now resurrect Itachi with all of his equally h4x0r sharingan powers. Or Jiraiya. Or anybody at all, no matter how legendary, just at the cost of some noname person. And the fresh uber zombie would even obey you like a slave yet still possess all the skills. Don't you think that's just a bit unlikely?
There HAS to be a catch somewhere. Although I suppose you could be correct all along and they truly are mighty and powerful but their battery life will run out in 30 minutes. I'd be somewhat willing to accept that.
I do. Which is why, for one reason or another, we've only been shown it once.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kraco
The technique is either:
a) Not common knowledge, or
b) Not feasible by the common person.
Hmm. I didn't think of that one.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kraco
This thread got pretty popular eh?
That doesn't seem very likely. At least from the perspective of Orochimaru's offer to Tsunade.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kraco
"If you heal my arms and provide me with two corpses, I can bring your boyfriend and your brother back from the dead....for a half hour."
Not a very good bargain.
I thought that resurrection jutsu was something that Orochimaru invented? So like, if he personally created the jutsu, then no one else other than him (and potentially Kabuto I guess) would have any idea of how it works.
Like that ever stopped gotwoot of creating its own arbitrary rules for how they think it should workQuote:
Originally Posted by Pandadice
Orochimaru is a major villain of the story. Anything he says should be taken just like MS's own evaluation of the Xbox 360's structural integrity.Quote:
Originally Posted by DarthEnder
Hey guys,
it's nice that you discuss forbidden jutsus and so on, but did you ever consider that Kishi just didnt think this far ahead? I mean, he came up with the Bijuu thing after introducing Gaara. He's just human, after all.
(Hope I won't get to many negativ reps, just b/c I doubted the master's voice :rolleyes: )
You think so? Or did he say so?Quote:
Originally Posted by LunaticCat
Either way, didn't know that.