Perfect team

[Shippou-sama]

Basically, a few of my friends and I have debated and discussed various teams. The basic idea is to create a team that can handle all or most situations, work well together (so Naruto is generally a bad candidate), and not waste/overlap talent (using Hinata for healing, while overlooking her Byukagen, or putting too many fighters in one team). Please try to explain your choices, as well.

The teams are four member squads, so we'll stick with 1 Jounin and 3 genin.

My current "team" is Kakashi for dealing with genjutsu, Shikamaru for tactics (in case of seperation), Neiji for scouting/taijutsu, and Sasuke for general ninjutsu use.

Mind you, my team has several holes, but this is the team I'm thinking of now.

[deadlydreamx]

my team would have to be neji, rock lee, saskue, and tsunade

neji - for his ability to see nearly all around him and for his 64 hit move which will practically paralize anyone
rock lee - for his great taijustu skills and gates
saskue - for his sharingan which will see gengutsu and attacks
tsunade - for her healing jutsus and strength

[Lucian5000]

Shikimaru, Naruto, Chouji, and Kiba. But no Neji. i/expressions/face-icon-small-tongue.gif

Shikimaru for the tactics, Chouji for physical power and comedic relief, Naruto for Chakra power and Kiba for scouting/combat.

[Mut]

itachi, jiraiya, orochimaru.

no other combination of alive characters can beat that.

EDIT:

oh yeah, i forgot an extra person. thanks basey_69. i add tsunade.

EDIT 2:

this is a one joun and three genin team? that's gay. i'm sticking with my original idea.

[Himura_san]

Originally posted by: Mut@t@
itachi, jiraiya, orochimaru.

no other combination of alive characters can beat that.

How about Kyubi, Manda, Gamawhateverthefuckhisnameis. yeah I know I know u need someone to summon them.

[basey44]

mut u werent listening

get into the spirit of this thread, u get 4 in a team so u should also add tsunade or kisame i/expressions/face-icon-small-tongue.gif

[Shippou-sama]

Well, some very interesting choices, though it seems I'm too longwinded. Sorry, I know there's a lot of crap to read through, but I was referring to a team of 1 Jounin and 3 Genin.

The only reason we try to limit it is because clearly there are a few overpowering characters in the series, and clearly nobody can beat the 3 sannins combined. The idea is to use the less than perfect members to create the best team possible.

Also, feel free to analyze possible problems, like the fact that Itachi and Orochimaru would spend more time fighting than working together, thus undermining the group's efficiency. The same goes for just about any team with Naruto and the following: Kiba, Shikamaru, Sasuke (well, sometimes they work out alright, but we're not counting on the "when it really counts" idea, we want a team for all situations), umm . . . some others that I can't think of off the top of my head.

To start the critiques, we'll pull apart mine: no healers for one, an extra member (Sasuke, while a good ninja, doesn't actually contribute anything to the group), and possible personality conflicts with Nejii and Sasuke.

Anything else?

Note: I am happy to see that people are in fact interested. =D

[kAi]

Shippou-sama: i liked your team but instead of sasuke you throw in naruto,
he can summon, got kage bunshin and also has rasengan.
shikamaru to come up with strategies and such. neji for his insight, taijutsu and byakugen, kaiten, and naruto with his kage bunshin can create more then the group and if things get into big trouble he has gamabunta.

[Shippou-sama]

My only concern is that Naruto doesn't really work well with others, and would fairly adequately muck up Shikamaru's plans. Also, a flaw for Shikamaru is that he may or may not be willing to actually come up with tactics, since he tends to let others take over, and only acts when he has no other choice. Regardless of teammates, Naruto will always try to take command, thus Shikamaru may not get the chance.

I do see the advantages of having him in the group, with a more useful variety of jutsus. Part of his usefulness comes only from the dreaded "in a tight spot" (frog boss). This is another thing to try and avoid, as it massively unbalances any characters performance. Remember, we want to find a team to handle all their missions well, which includes everything in the range of picking trash out of a river to eliminating an enemy from another village.

And, as I've said, my team is far from perfect, I realize. =P

[Kaka]

Shikamaru, Neji, Sasuke

and gai (cos wherever gai is rock lee isnt too far away)

i/expressions/face-icon-small-happy.gif i/expressions/face-icon-small-happy.gif

its like buy one get one free i/expressions/face-icon-small-tongue.gif

[KaneInferno]

hmm...3 genin, 1 jounin?
I'd have to say,
jounin: Kakashi
genin: Shikamaru, Neji, Rock Lee

id like to put shino in there, but with the jounin and three genin this would be best. if it were 4 genins, id replace kakashi with shino and rock lee with sasuke

[wirm]

Jounin: Jiraiya because the other 2 sanin and Itachi are either too unreliable, headstrong, or too unpredictable.

Genin: Neji - scouting, taijutsu
Sasuke - Ninjutsu, tactics
Naruto - variable


There might be an initial clash between our 2 genius genins, but there's no real reason for a feud there. As for Naruto, he is a very versatile fighter, and doesn't seem to have trouble working in a team when the stakes are high.

Neji should be able to completely nullify most taijutsu attacks with his byakugan + kaiten.

Sasuke should be (theoretically) able to copy most genin-level ninjutsu. He's also shown surprising tactical expertise in fights as well.

[kooshi]

Jounin: Kakashi (great insight in battle, Sharingan, over 1000 jutsus ready to use)
Genins: Lee (great taijutsu, extremely fast, probably able to create a lot of openings for attacks)
Naruto (great stamina and chakra capacity, cause a distraction to the enemy to create openings for attacks, although a few number of jutsus, they are quite versatile, able to call upon Kyubi's chakra)
Sasuke (quite analytical, good choice of long range jutsus, Sharingan)

This seems like the team that I would choose, although each have their weak points.

Kakashi: unable to use Sharingan as much as he would want to, great number of jutsus can easily drain his chakra
Lee: unable to fight using long range, Lotus is a double-edged sword, might try to go "overboard"
Naruto: unpredictable (#1 ninja in surprising people), tends to waste stamina and chakra, might try to go "overboard"
Sasuke: not fully developed Sharingan, fire jutsus can easily be stopped against the right type of enemy, depends on Chidori a bit too much, high speed drains stamina quite quickly

[Raposo_C]

Well, for me it would have to be
Jounin: Kakashi
Genine: Shikamaru, Naji, Kiba

Kakashi was hard because if I chose Gai, then i would change Kiba for Sasuke, but I thought just for sheer skill, and sharengen and experaince, Kakashi would be a very good choide.

Shikamaru not only because of this tactics, but his ninjutsus with shadows are perfect for most things that need stealth and manuipulation.

Naji because he's not only a geniuse, but also because of his scouting and his bykagu(sp) sorry can't spell. But you all know what I mean.

Kiba because of his fighting spirit, and he's really cool with that dog and popping the pills. With those three you have a solid both fighting force, and someone who gots a dog that kicks ass as a clone, Kiba for his tracking, Naji for his skills as a genin and his bloodline, Shikamaru for brains and Kakashi to over all attempt to save the day while reading a dirty book i/expressions/face-icon-small-happy.gif

EDIT:: Actually, I was thinking, better yet, trade Kiba for Sakura (joking) no, Rock Lee because I just realized the team needs a vary capable fighter with Taijutsu.

[Death BOO Z]

Itachi, Gaara, Naruto, Kabuto.

Itachi and Kabuto are belong to the smart type ninja, Naruto is the lucky trump card, and gaara is just the offensive power behined them.

sure, Itachi is a missing nin, Kabuto is a criminal and gaara might want to kill Naruto (or anyone else) just out of boredom. But they are the best you can get in this category.

[jing]

I say the Sannin, because they might have worked together well in the pass and know how to coordinate with each other easily.

but a team with pure offence, id pick, itachi, jiraya, and orochimaru.

[kooshi]

Originally posted by: Death BOO Z
Itachi, Gaara, Naruto, Kabuto.

Itachi and Kabuto are belong to the smart type ninja, Naruto is the lucky trump card, and gaara is just the offensive power behined them.

sure, Itachi is a missing nin, Kabuto is a criminal and gaara might want to kill Naruto (or anyone else) just out of boredom. But they are the best you can get in this category.

Kabuto is NOT a Genin. He is actually a Jounin from the Village of Sound.

[miaka]

Originally posted by: jing
I say the Sannin, because they might have worked together well in the pass and know how to coordinate with each other easily.

but a team with pure offence, id pick, itachi, jiraya, and orochimaru.

was thinking the same... but maybe could add shikamaru for the battle brain..

and tsunade i think is very useful cuz of her amazing healing techniques (i mean oro's damage seems incurable, but seems like tsunade would have been able to heal it...

heh.. and summon snake, frog, and snail... they will do wonders i/expressions/face-icon-small-tongue.gif and the little froggy could work as a spy

[Shippou-sama]

Umm, well, the Sannin =/= Jounin, and Itachi is a missing-nin, so he'll not be joining with anyone. I like that you're posting, but you ignored both of my attempts to set the record straight.

Since this is using the current characters, Kabuto is a Jounin, not a genin, and he cannot work with Naruto, as they are now enemies. The same goes for Orochimaru and pretty much anyone.

And no, Lee will not go along with Gai if he is no longer on the team, so you do not get an extra member.

Again, we're not trying to make the most powerful team, but the best team overall.

Based on the guidelines of this thread, only 3 of the last 8 submitted teams were viable.

I am pleased at these teams, however: KaneInferno, Kooshi, and Raposo.

Some notes (again, feel free to critique anyone's teams):

Kane: Excellent team. The only possible flaw I see is Neiji challenging Shikamaru based on "seniority," but I doubt it. Possibly the best team.

Kooshi: You can't count on someone's "tight spot" response (Naruto's Kyubi chakra). Also, Sasuke and Kakashi are a bit of an overlap, and Sasuke does not currently have the training to mimic jutsu with his Sharingan (that we have seen). Again, this is the Anime up to 104.

Raposo: Same as Kane, gotta agree. Very good team. Initial choice of Kiba is questionable, considering that he lost to a very weakened Naruto (just after a long fight, a trek through the woods, and Oro's seal). But yeah, the revised team is good. =P

Anyone else want to try a team that fits the guidelines?

[KaneInferno]

just because, heres my worst team:
genins: sakura, ino, hinata
jounin: ebisu

[Shippou-sama]

I agree with Sakura and Ino, but Hinata could potentially do something useful, and while Ebisu is quite horrible, he did almost best Naruto for a minute there . . .


My worst team: Sakura, Ino, and Chouji for the genins, and Ebisu for the Jounin. =P

[Hollow]

Recon:
Genins: Ino, Gaara, Shino
Jounin: Yuuhi Kurenai

Resoning: Ino- Duh, the whole Mind~Body switch is INVALUABLE to Recon.
Gaara- THE EYE. Apart from being a damn cool jutsu, It's great for spying, so long as Gaara can hold back his bloodlust XD
Shino- NOBODY EXPECTS BUGS to be spies. Well, maybe Don Knots...(Scooby doo ref. GOD I'm old...)
Kureinai- No real reason other then Mad genjutsu skills.

[miaka]

agree with you for all of them except hinata... she is getting over her shyness.. and during her fight with neji showed that she would give her best.... and her Byakugan is def useful.. you know..

[KaneInferno]

i included hinata cause she doesnt have the motivation to do well. she failed her duties in the missions with her current team. she really isnt useful for anything other than healing.

[drcitan]

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[Raposo_C]

LMAO ^ nice one. drcitan

Well there are abunch of holes I think with mine. Naji's arrogence obviusly gets on Lee's nerves, but atleast Kakashi can deal with it (after spending time leading team 7 (Naruto's idiocy[at the beginning] and Sakura fawning over Sasuke(sp)) he can deal with both Naji and Lee's bikering. Though Shikamaru and Naji is a little harder. I never put him in there for the intent of leading the team. He is there because of his insight, and the fact hardly anything shakes him (mainly because he's so lazy) and Naji I can deal with him leading the genin's just to spite Rock because he works harder when Naji is in control.

Plus, the annoyance all three would have with Kakashi always coming late and leaving a bill for them to pay (or was that Jiraiya ... well there characters are soo close it dosen't mater anywho).

I must say though, for recon Hollow yours is vary interesting, though for the life of me I can't remember who Yuuhi is. The only thing I gotta say is Garaa ... he'd probably kill off the whole team given the chance.

[Hollow]

Yuuhi Kurenai. The genjutsu specialist that battled against Itachi using that tree genjutsu.

[Board of Command]

Originally posted by: drcitan
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[SeifeR]

Sensai- 4th Hokage
Naruto
Sasuke
Ino

i wanna see Neji in there too

[Shippou-sama]

Seifer, as I've said a couple times, I was looking for a team of current cast members, 1 jounin, 3 genin. The 4th wouldn't count as he is both dead and no longer a Jounin.

Also, it is highly unlikely that Ino would either contribute to the team, or in fact work with any team that has Naruto in it.

*EDIT* @ raposo: Of course not necessarily. It's conjecture. We've never seen these people form teams. It's still not a valid team, since the 4th is dead. The 3rd doesn't work because he is also dead (at this point in the series). Shikamaru's dad, maybe, but he does not strike me as a good leader, and since they haven't mentioned his intellect, it would seem that he's only lazy. Also, Naruto and Sasuke do mostly the same job, so you have overlap. Basically, I get the feeling that Seifer didn't read the topic, just posted in it. =P

The Sasuke-Gaara fight was episode 66-67, a double-episode.

[Raposo_C]

Shippou-sama not neccissarily, I mean, sure Ino is bassically a bet nin (by a fraction) of Sakura, but don't forget, Sasuke is there, and atleast she could contribute to the team. Atleast Sakura is not there acting as a distraction to Naruto, so really, Naruto will excel and basically tell Ino off all the time (he never does that to Sakura) also her taking over minds techniques would greatly increase the potentional of far better missions.

I actually like SeifeR's team, though that 4th Hokage thing would be better if you switched it to either the third, or maybe Shikamaru's dad or something. *shrugs* I don't know, its just a thought anyway.

Also ... what episode did Sasuke and Garaa fight in the tournament again, like I mean in the arena, I wanna see it again, but I can't remember which episode # it was in.

[Raposo_C]

Shippou-sama not neccissarily, I mean, sure Ino is bassically a bet nin (by a fraction) of Sakura, but don't forget, Sasuke is there, and atleast she could contribute to the team. Atleast Sakura is not there acting as a distraction to Naruto, so really, Naruto will excel and basically tell Ino off all the time (he never does that to Sakura) also her taking over minds techniques would greatly increase the potentional of far better missions.

I actually like SeifeR's team, though that 4th Hokage thing would be better if you switched it to either the third, or maybe Shikamaru's dad or something. *shrugs* I don't know, its just a thought anyway.

Also ... what episode did Sasuke and Garaa fight in the tournament again, like I mean in the arena, I wanna see it again, but I can't remember which episode # it was in.

EDIT:: crap sorry about the double post, a warning thing popped up when i clicked reply to thread button and then when i backspaced and pressed it again, it most have done it twice. My appologies.

[Utaman]

Hmmm, good thread.

I'm prolly gonna have to go with very similar choices to everyone else.

Jounin: Kakashi --you can have all the jutsus in the world, but there's one thing that beats them all. That's experience. Imo, I think kakashi is one of the most experienced Jounins, not only does he bring thousands of jutsus to use, but he also brings a whak of knowledge. Also, hes my favourite character, that and he's late all the time, just like me =)

Genins:
Neji --Strong leadership skills, Gentle fist style, Kaiten, Byukagen <sp?> and of course the scouting. He's very arrogant, but I think he's got what it takes to know when to use it properly. I think, because of his clan, he'd know how to be diplomatic and handle social situations.

Shikamaru -- No brainer, tactics, strategy, I think he'd also be able to keep Neji's ego in check for the most part. Also, Shadow Imitation is neat!

Kiba -- The survival expert for the team. I think he and Akamaru would be a great addition. It gives them team that extra versatility of being able to handle themselves on the road, in the rough, or in the city. I think there's a lot of potential in the character, and is also the wild zany one of the group. The perfect anti-thesis to Shikamaru's lazy lifestyle =)

[Shippou-sama]

Ehh, Decent start. I'd have to disagree with Kiba. He seems to be pretty much a weak link in any group, since he doesn't really have a good specialty. His skills seem to be scouting, which Neji is better at, and fighting, which Neji and Kakashi are better at.

Also, as mentioned, I tend to wonder how well Neji and Shikamaru would work together. And for reference, Neji was not from the main family, he's from the second family, which is the "lower caste," so while he might have some diplomatic skills, it is unlikely, and it would not come from anything to do with the family.

[Utaman]

Kiba and Akamaru would be the perfect trackers in any situation. The ability to identify someone by the smell of the chakra is a big addition to any group. And again, he's a survival specialist, I think that's somethingthat makes that particular group well rounded. While they may excel at missions like: Escort this man here, or defend this person against these ninjas. Any mission where they actually have to go rough it and survive, they'd be in a bit of trouble.

I agree with the clan member thing, but still, I think he would have a bit of skill in dealing with high society situations. It's not like he's a raga-muffin right off the streets of Konoha =) The only time he'd really go out of control is if he head to deal with head fmaily members. But that'd add some cool tension as well.

[KaneInferno]

i think shika and neji can work together. people keep saying neji would challenge leadership, but first of all, the jounin is the leader, and shika doesnt have to lead to come up with brilliant strategies. if they get in a tight spot, the jounin would just tell shika to give the team a series of plans that could work and they could decide as a team which plan to use.

besides, neji is more of the type to ignore people, not confront them.

[miaka]

hmm.. yeah... akamaru can tell who is strong or not.. like one time with gaara... so i guess he's not too bad..

[Shippou-sama]

Please stop using scouting as an excuse to put them on a team. I have no problem with adding a character because you like them, but admit it. Even in the wilderness section of the Chuunin exam, Shino and Kiba both turned to Hinata and the Byukagen for scouting. That means that Neji would be the scout, not Kiba.

Survival isn't really an issue. I mean, every one of the teams was able to find food in the Chuunin exam, so it's clearly not that big of an issue. Even Sakura was able to find shelter. I doubt that Kakashi, Neji, and Shikamaru would be in trouble without Kiba.

Lastly, as I've mentioned before, Kiba isn't very good. He has to use combat pills, smoke screens, and Akamaru (with combat pills) just to almost beat Naruto, who was sealed by Orochimaru at the time.

I'll admit, I don't mind his addition as a character, I think he has some neat techniques, and an interesting personality. I just don't see how he contributes anything to the team, other than identifying a person by their chakra smell, which is partially useless, since even a 13 year old (Sasuke) can tell if something's wrong based on details (Naruto in the Chuunin exam). If Genin Sasuke can do it, I get the feeling that Kakashi could do it.

*Edit* I do see how Shika and Neji would work well, though.

[Konohamaru]

I'd pick:

Neji: Cos he rules, makes a good leader, good fighter and good scouter.
Kabuto: Good fighter, Healer and smart.
Gaara: Defense for the team and can pick a good fight.
Kakashi: Good fighter, sharingan and the experience for the team.

I chose ppl that could do a specific task as well as fight to defend themselves. I put in Kakashi cos he has a lot of experience. I know Kabuto is a bad guy but I'm putting everyone as equal good guys. I woulda put in Shikamaru but he's not the best of fighters specially with his low amount of Chakra.

[Shippou-sama]

Once again, Kabuto is not a genin, nor would he operate as one under Kakashi at this point in the anime.

Also, we're looking for teams willing to do any job, not just powerful teams for combat.

[Utaman]

Well you did ask what the best team everyone thought was. Because you think Kiba sucks, doesn't mean I don't think he sucks. Like I said, having Akamaru being able to smell chakra levels and id people by that, I think is supremely useful. Yes Neji can scout, but if you really want to find shleter and food you turn to either Shino or Kiba. Like I said before, I think the kid has a lot of potential. Sure, Sakura found shelter, so did a lot of people, but who smoked through the survival exam? Pretty sure it wasn't Sakura, or Neji. I think that all three genins each provide an important piece of the pie (with Kakashi leading) that make that team well rounded to fit any situation, counter any situation and fight any situation, with maximum efficiency!

Edited stuff from second post:

Essentially:
I took Kiba for tracking and survival, if you look, one of the reasons I put Neji in was: scouting! Kiba is part of the teams that smoked through the survival testing with absolute ease. Look how fast they got their scroll, it was in a matter of minutes! Yes Sakura did manage to find shelter, and Naruto and Sasuke managed to find food. But I think if you want the top pony to run the survival race, you bet on either Shino or Kiba. And from my perspective I think Kiba can edge out Shino in tracking and survival.

If Kiba wants to track, he just gets Akamaru to get the scent and away you go, Shino has to phsyically place a tracker bug on the target, which is hard if you've never seen the target, or he/she/it is really far away.

[Utaman]

Edit: Bah, it did pop on me. Edited post and put the stuff I said here in my previous one.

My apologies for the spam.

[Shippou-sama]

Sorry if I'm coming accross too critical. The idea is to find flaws in anyones team. Nobody's is offlimits, either, so if you want to take apart someone else's, be my guest.

My only point was that he doesn't really help that much. At what point are they going to meet up with a sand Jounin who challenges them to who can survive the best in the wilderness? And for tracking, bam, Neji gets to see them wherever they're hiding. If Akamaru can smell them, Neji can see them. Two people doing the same job.

Like I said, you're allowed to choose whoever you want, I'm just saying that there are in fact flaws in the team.

[Utaman]

Oh no problem, I love a good debate =) *pushes up his metaphorical geek glasses to his nose*

True Neji can see, but sight only goes so far, quite literally. And you have to know what you're looking for. If Neji can see them, he couldn't see through Naruto's shadow replications. Akamaru, however, would be able to sniff out the real one without second guessing it. Something that Neji, and Kiba had trouble doing.

No prolly the Sand Jounin wouldn't challenge them to a survival contest, but I think they're in a lot more trouble if a Sand Jounin challenges them to more than a Survival contest. Another set of fighting hands however, that'd come in useful. Everyteam does have their flaw., Sasuke definitely has them too. Relies too much on flashy/showy chidori to get jobs done. He's similar to Neji in that he can get horse blinders on when it comes to fighting.

Sight vs. Smell isn't the same job, infact they're two completely opposite senses althogether. Together however, I think they'd be a lethal combination. That on the same team with the tacatics and experience of Shika and Kakashi made that combination on Ninjas the best.

[Shippou-sama]

Hmm. Well, I can see what you are saying, but the point of the thread was to find a team that could handle any situation equally.

Your team is in fact an excellent one for tracking, survival, and scouting, as you said it would not handle a direct confrontation well.

And yeah, I know Sasuke is a poor choice, and I in fact later critiqued another poster for putting Kakashi and Sasuke on the same team, when I had just done it myself! =P

For now, I'd like to see if anyone can find any major flaw in KaneInferno's team? I don't really see any.

@ Miaka: Who don't you like on it? It's Hinata, isn't it?

[miaka]

not really.. i think his perfect team is nicely made up.. even though i disagree with his worst team

[Raposo_C]

Well, let me see, since my revised one and KaneInferno's are the same well let me see if i can see any flaws, mainly there personal character traits.

1) Shikamaru is a briliant tactician, and maybe even amazing at mathematics, he weighs his options and goes from that point. But, lets get one thing straight, he is lazy (like myself) and when he weighs the options and the pros and cons, he usually falls back on default. He never takes chances, not even educated risks because its out of his character (he has no rash thought whatsover) and thus, can be vary undependable.

2) Naji is arrogent to the supreme, even though he is cool, his morals are stuck up and he's an ass. Once he fails at something, he becomes disorented and sorta to the point where he just stands there and is like WTF.

3) Rock Lee, him an Neji are big time rivals, and even though he will defer to Neji's will in somecases (not too sure about it, but lets just assume so) he is also vary rash and ready to jump into a fight and prove that by working hard you can be great. Is that a good thing? well, diving out of cover and confronting someone who could totaly own you is not that vary bright.

4) Kakashi, he is the hardest of all three. Hs is a geniuse, he is powerfull, he rocks, and damn well, he is humble about it. There is not an arrogent bone in that man's body. But he is still human, and with that being said, he would have too much time trying to get Shikamaru to get interested, have Rock stop bitching all the time to Neji let alone pretending to be like Kakashi (this is assuming Gai is out of the picture) and oh ya, if he is hurt in anyway, or incompacitated, the team can literly crumble to dust. All three genins depend on him, the minute he falls (lets say to something like Zabuza, or Kabutu, or I don't know anybody tough) the whole team falls apart. Neji because he begins to second guess himself. Rock goes on a rampage and Shikamaru is left standing there say "how troublesome" as he scratches his head and wonders how to get the hell out of the cituation.

Even though this is really no flaw picking and just a rant, I am sure if we think hard enough we all think something is wrong with this team. I tried my best, can't remember what i was getting at before ... ah what the hell, bring Itachi against this team, with that water nin dude thats like a shark, and Kabutu and the team is fucked. oh and don't forget about Oro.

I don't know ... its past midnight and I am tired.

Just for laughs, I found this on the net, its what Jyhira (sp) thinks about while around Tsunade lol. Though it was just funny.

http://ewancient.lysator.liu.se/pic/fanq/j/e/jenny4/naruto_jiraiyaandtsunade03s.jpg

[Shippou-sama]

Heh, I like that you tried to pick apart the team, but can't.

1) Actually, Shikamaru actually does pull through when it counts, like stopping 8 people so that Naruto and Sakura can keep going. =P

2) Neji's attitude problem is mostly fixed now, he seemed to be remarkably normal after he got the "true story" of his father's death.

3) I think Lee's rivalry is much less destructive than Naruto's, to the point that I think they probably work together well. The only point I do concede on is that he is remarkably headstrong.

4) Kakashi wouldn't probably have that hard of a time. Lee wouldn't be imitating Kakashi, as the team would not necessarily be permanent, it would be for any random mission, then back to normal, hence the need to have good compatibility (we can't count on "growing together over time"). And Neji wouldn't crumble because I don't think he cares so much anymore again, he seemed quite okay after the tournament.

And wow . . . funny pic. Somehow, I can't imagine it would be too far from the truth. =P

*Edit* @ raposo: Well, I'd like to convince myself that there's a difference between "when it counts" and "In a tight spot" but there isn't. So I have no viable argument for Shikamaru except that he's lazy, but dependably so!! =P

[Raposo_C]

LMAO, i know thats what i though.

As for that Shikamaru, have to say, arn't you the one who keeps telling people we can't rely on pulling threw when it counts ... even Naruto and others do that. LOL, just poking fun not being hurtful about it. Just thought it funny when i read that. But meh ... what can I say, I'm man enough to admit defeat. I could not find anything wrong with the team KaneInferno made or what I mine ... I guess it holds true in this thread what I told Jing in the other ... great minds think alike (6)

[TwisT]

Well my team..

Jounin: Itachi (yes he is still only a jounin.. Missing-nin dont make his rank go away)

Because he has sharingan, is crazy stong so he can take almost anyone, and he uses his head and keeps his cool in the heat of the battle.. + They say Kakashi have copied over 1000 jutsus..

And since Itachi is a missing-nin not only konoha hunts him.. Plus other countrys probably wants his sharingan.. So he have to have been in 10 times more battle with other ninjas from diffrent villages.. And because of that i think he must at least have dubbled the amont of jutsus that Kakashi have..


Genin 1: Neji (do i really need to explain??)


Genin 2: Gaara

Most of his sand-abilitys and also because he is extremly defensive.. Cant just have offensive.. When offense fail you can fall back on his deffensive skills


Genin 3: Naruto

Well even if some ppl dont want to admit it, Kage-bunshin is really useful, he has good stamina, has really strong Chakara(sp?) even without kyubi, the fact that he has kyubi and a "reserv" power to tap into, rasengan, he can summon toads of diffrent size's even if he still lacks control of it, and he got a great spirit that dont give up..


NOTE: Why is it that only Kiba and Kabuto have used a Soldier Pill (or food pill or what ever its called).. I would make all 3 Genins in my team use it and have it in there weapon-packs because Naruto is a brawler like kiba and we saw the speed & strenght increse when he powered up with kyubi-chakara.. Gaara can last longer if they in some way got around his Sand shield (since that armor required him to use chakara to keep it up).. And Neji's all moves (specially Kaiten) uses chakara.. So they will all last much longer..


Well thats my team.. That 3 Genin was pretty hard.. Was many to chose from..

Shikamaru: Good taktics but i belive Itachi is pretty good at that so i dont think there is no need for that

Rock Lee: Speed, taijutsu, gates and he also never gives up like Naruto but i already have taijutsu user in my team and i think Itachi can overcome the enemy easy if the rely on speed that is Gaaras and Nejis weak point.. And Rock Lees speed did not do anything against Gaara.. It took more out of him then it did on Gaara, and Rock Lee said so himself that the gate-thing was a secret he had stored up for Neji and was the key to beat him.. So the speed was no enough to beat Neji and Gaara.. And already have Naruto for the "never give up spirit".. And the gates is useless.. Sure he uses it and take out enemys but then i'm 1 genin shorter on my team..

Sasuke: Well once again taijutsu, speed, sharingan.. Itachi probably have all that, and only a repeat on taijutsu.. Only ninjutsu Sasuke have shown so far is the fireball-tingy.. thats not much of a great array of ninjutsu.. Chidori is basicly a taijutsu move..

Hinata: repeat of Neji, and the loss of power just for here medical skills (witch we dont now if they are that great) is not good.. And if you have a stong team they will not get injured i/expressions/face-icon-small-wink.gif

Shino: Is to big of a mysteri to know what he is really capable of..

Ino, Sakura, Choji, Kiba, TenTen, Sound-team or the others from the Sand-team have not made anything to impress me so far..

And of course i could have used the sannins as Jounin but Tsunade dont match up with Itachi just because of her medical-skills and the other 2 are good but no sharingan.. Well i just thought Itachi is better when it comes to making a team..

[Shippou-sama]

Itachi and Naruto will never work together, as they have had a face-to-face confrontation. Also, it is highly unlikely that any of the three genin would work with a missing-nin. As I said, it is supposed to be as of episode 104.

[TwisT]

Oh.. I just thought we should take whatever char and make a team.. Not there personal feelings towards each other.. then i guess we cant take ether Gaara, Oro or Itachi since no one of them would work togher with Leaf shinobi.. thats to bad..

And it's make me wonder if Neji and Naruto can be in the same team.. I mean if Neji have the same attitude Naruto is only going to run around being pissed at Neji and will probably get the whole team killed because naruto would run around in enemy-land and scream on Neji all day and every ninja in the area would spot them.. If they do not fight amongst themself and kill each other of.. We have got no prof that Neji's attitude have change that much and that Naruto would be able to stand Neji's presence.. Naruto can sometimes be more arrogant & thick-headed then Neji when it comes to who he hates or what he thinks of a person..

And is Rock Lee injured?? since we should take it as it is in 104 Rock Lee is is out of the game.. There wont be many left..


Jiraya
Neji
Shikamaru
Sasuke

I guess that will be the team then.. Shikamaru is weak.. sure he stopped 8 guys.. but it was an suicide mission.. He did not count on Asuma to come save him.. So there is a fight and i'm 1 Genin shorter.. No Shika is a man that should be standing behind and do the taktics and be able to analys the enemy and only provide little assistans when needed..

Neji is the only power-house of them (exept Jiraya that is)..

I think Sasuke is pretty weak to and dont have to much moves ether.. He just have his sharingan.. Sure he is stonger then the losers but i think he is the weakest of the little stonger bunch..

Thats why i need the most powerful Konoha shinobi there is now, Jiraya.. Really weak team if you ask me, and Jiraya have to do all the work if they fight a stong group of ppl.. Neji can be of some help to.. But Shikamaru is not that smart that he can order Jiraya around, because i think Jiraya have to much experience and is better of with his own taktics.. And Neji will be fine on his own.. The other 2 will ether be wiphed out or have to run and hide..

I would want to have Jiraya, Neji, Rock Lee and Naruto if we only count Leaf Ninja and look aside the fakt that Lee is down for the count and Neji and Naruto cant stand each other.. Even if it turned out to be an all taijutsu team exept for Jiraya..

But i still think my team of Itachi, Neji, Naruto and Gaara is the strongest if we can regard there personal feelings for each other..

[Edort4]

Naruto only has to take his frog bag plenty of money and buy a good ninja dog or ask kakashi to teach him dog-kuchyose no jutsu and kick that kiba incompetent out from the team. Then u had a boy 4 all purposes like sasuke(it seems he can do anything, really annoying) and someone with good strategies like shika or someone with high genjutsu or healing jutsus.

Bye.

[Shippou-sama]

We're not trying to make the "strongest," we're looking for the best. That means the team that has the widest variety of abilities, the best teamwork, and the strongest.

Sannin =/= Jounin. They're unbalanced and disrupt the purpose of the teams. Again, this was discussed before.

Gaara can potentially work with Leaf ninja, the war is over, and once again, he showed no signs of bitterness towards Naruto or Sasuke. And Neji can be considered a workable team, as he no longer has a reason to be so arrogant, and Naruto has no reason to hate him (he got even for Hinata already).

[KaneInferno]

so what, did you guys give up on picking apart my team? actually ive been trying to find something wrong with it myself. i guess it is pretty hard team to refute adequately...

[miaka]

Originally posted by: Raposo_C
Well, let me see, since my revised one and KaneInferno's are the same well let me see if i can see any flaws, mainly there personal character traits.

1) Shikamaru is a briliant tactician, and maybe even amazing at mathematics, he weighs his options and goes from that point. But, lets get one thing straight, he is lazy (like myself) and when he weighs the options and the pros and cons, he usually falls back on default. He never takes chances, not even educated risks because its out of his character (he has no rash thought whatsover) and thus, can be vary undependable.

2) Naji is arrogent to the supreme, even though he is cool, his morals are stuck up and he's an ass. Once he fails at something, he becomes disorented and sorta to the point where he just stands there and is like WTF.

3) Rock Lee, him an Neji are big time rivals, and even though he will defer to Neji's will in somecases (not too sure about it, but lets just assume so) he is also vary rash and ready to jump into a fight and prove that by working hard you can be great. Is that a good thing? well, diving out of cover and confronting someone who could totaly own you is not that vary bright.

4) Kakashi, he is the hardest of all three. Hs is a geniuse, he is powerfull, he rocks, and damn well, he is humble about it. There is not an arrogent bone in that man's body. But he is still human, and with that being said, he would have too much time trying to get Shikamaru to get interested, have Rock stop bitching all the time to Neji let alone pretending to be like Kakashi (this is assuming Gai is out of the picture) and oh ya, if he is hurt in anyway, or incompacitated, the team can literly crumble to dust. All three genins depend on him, the minute he falls (lets say to something like Zabuza, or Kabutu, or I don't know anybody tough) the whole team falls apart. Neji because he begins to second guess himself. Rock goes on a rampage and Shikamaru is left standing there say "how troublesome" as he scratches his head and wonders how to get the hell out of the cituation.

Even though this is really no flaw picking and just a rant, I am sure if we think hard enough we all think something is wrong with this team. I tried my best, can't remember what i was getting at before ... ah what the hell, bring Itachi against this team, with that water nin dude thats like a shark, and Kabutu and the team is fucked. oh and don't forget about Oro.

I don't know ... its past midnight and I am tired.

Just for laughs, I found this on the net, its what Jyhira (sp) thinks about while around Tsunade lol. Though it was just funny.

http://ewancient.lysator.liu.se/pic/fanq/j/e/jenny4/naruto_jiraiyaandtsunade03s.jpg


even though it can be countered.. ^_^ good job... i m gonna try to think of more flaws later on

[KaneInferno]

ah one major flaw in my team is that lee uses self damaging attacks to quickly. also, with no healer, this can quickly hinder the team if he injures himself and they have to haul his unconcious body around and still do the mission at the same time. im sure the others can complete the missions, but it can greatly affect their efficency.

[Shippou-sama]

Yeah, that's true. Even if Lee hadn't had that scuffle with Gaara, it seems he was ready to use the Lotus every time a fight got hard (Sasuke, Dosa, Gaara).

The only other problem is that Neji and Lee are both Taijutsu users. Not a big problem, but they are a little weak with genjutsu. Granted, Kakashi can deal with them, but nobody can dish them out well.

So there is room for improvement, but nothing really wrong with it.

[KaneInferno]

one point about the genjutsu, shikamaru was also able to keep kabuto's sleep thingy from affecting him, so he's pretty good at atleast defending from it, so there is another good point to the team.


Edit: as an afterthought, my worst team, id replace hinata with chouji. yeah he's got powerful moves, but he sucks at using them, plus he wants to fight less than hinata!

[Kagemane_no_Jutsu]

Hinata isn't even in the same league as Chouji. Chouji is much more skilled with his clan's techiniques than Hinata is with her Hyuuga techinques. We still have yet to see Chouji at full power. Should be coming soon thoughi/expressions/face-icon-small-wink.gif

[Shippou-sama]

Umm, based in the current episode (105), we haven't seen him do anything but suck in air and roll at people. Please don't use the manga to argue the skill of a character. Chouji is a much worse addition to the team than Hinata is right now.

[KaneInferno]

Originally posted by: Kagemane_no_Jutsu
Hinata isn't even in the same league as Chouji. Chouji is much more skilled with his clan's techiniques than Hinata is with her Hyuuga techinques. We still have yet to see Chouji at full power. Should be coming soon though

first of all: ANIME forum. these are teams based on the current ANIME characters. currently in the ANIME, chouji is worthless. Dont even elude to anything later than the current episode. its not allowed

[Kagemane_no_Jutsu]

Originally posted by: KaneInferno


Originally posted by: Kagemane_no_Jutsu
Hinata isn't even in the same league as Chouji. Chouji is much more skilled with his clan's techiniques than Hinata is with her Hyuuga techinques. We still have yet to see Chouji at full power. Should be coming soon though

first of all: ANIME forum. these are teams based on the current ANIME characters. currently in the ANIME, chouji is worthless. Dont even elude to anything later than the current episode. its not allowed

Even in the "ANIME" Chouji is far from worthless. Hinata is worthless, Chouji is not. And in the ANIME he is still able to do two powerfull techniques from his clan, where as Hinata can use Byakugan.

[KaneInferno]

first: what other one did he do besides the meat tank?

second: both times he did it, he failed miserably.

[Shippou-sama]

Agreed. I have only seen Chouji himself do one move. Both times he was not only unable to hit the person, or even intimidate them, but he was completely foiled.

So far the only thing Chouji has done is eat, complain, and suck. In that order.

Hinata trains regularly (without being bribed), and is more than competent at her own clan's form. The fact that she lasted more than 2 seconds against Neji proves that she isn't just some crap ninja.

[Kagemane_no_Jutsu]

He uses the jutsu that makes him bigger, and who did he attack with it? Zaku, who was one of the most powerfull genin in that arc. When they showed Shika training for the Chunnin exam, he was sparring Chouji, and Chouji's meat-tank was too much for him.

Edit to post above: Do you seriously think Neji went 100% against her? Wow dude go watch the series over again. If Neji went 100% he would have done the 64 Tenketsu attack, he would have used Kaiten, and Hinata would have been dead.

[Shippou-sama]

Uh-oh, it was too much for a smart but physically weak ninja . . . wow, he must be awesome, huh?

Also, I'm not asking this as a challenge, but as a question: What episodes did he use the respective techniques in? I don't recall them, and am more than willing to admit I was wrong if he did.

He wasn't going "100%" as you say, but he was trying to kill her from the first swing.

[Kagemane_no_Jutsu]

Hahahaha.

Um go watch any episode Chouji fights in. He does the Double Weight jutsu, then the Meat Tank jutsu. And if you think Neji wasn't fucking with Hinata in the preliminaries, you really are retarted.

Edit: You have still yet to tell me why you think Hinata is better than Chouji.

[KaneInferno]

trsut me buddy, no one watches the series more than shippou-sama. just trust me on this.

[Shippou-sama]

So let's just think about this.

I think Hinata is a better ninja, because she works hard and has a couple of useful skills (not least of which is the Byukagen, able to see great distances with no possibility of warning your target of your actions).

You think Chouji is a better ninja because you read the manga and know that he gets better. Your entire argument for him being better than Hinata is "Chouji is really strong, you'll see soon."

Yup, this is a worthwhile debate. How about contributing to the topic, and stop wasting space?

[Mut]

Originally posted by: Shippou-sama
He wasn't going "100%" as you say, but he was trying to kill her from the first swing.
wait... are you implying that hinata stood a chance against neji during the prelims? just say yes or no and if yes, explain your reasoning. if no, then nevermind.

[Shippou-sama]

No, I don't think she stood a chance. I do think she was better than simple fodder.

1) They started the fight going blow for blow.

2) She was not only able to create, but attack an opening in Neji's defense (see: the first episode of their fight, somewhere towards the end, I'm not sure, sorry). He dodged, but they acknowledge that it still hurt him.

3) If Neji hadn't cut the chakra flow on her last hit, he would have suffered just as bad.

Now, don't get me wrong, I know she couldn't have beaten him, but she did fare better than so many people seem to think.

*Edit* But we really should be staying closer to the topic. If you want, create a thread about this. It's straying too far.

[TwisT]

Neji just fought on the same lvl that she was on to drag the pain (fun) out and to really humiliate a main family-member.. He was enjoying it..

It was probably a mistake from his part that he probably though she was so worthless that he got careless..

Well its so obvius that Neji took that hit because he new it would not have any effect and he gave her the exakt same blow back and showed Hinata the diffrence that he was talking about before they started the match.. And he did state that the match was useless from the start since she was not even able to do anything..

When they was fighting in the begining Neji just hit 1 Tenketsu after another he he wanted he could just have seen to get in a hit from the start the finnished it.. but he wanted the fight to be draged out.. To really show her that he a branch-member would pawn her, and also to satisfy his own need to give the main family hell..

[Kagemane_no_Jutsu]

Originally posted by: Shippou-sama
So let's just think about this.

I think Hinata is a better ninja, because she works hard and has a couple of useful skills (not least of which is the Byukagen, able to see great distances with no possibility of warning your target of your actions).

You think Chouji is a better ninja because you read the manga and know that he gets better. Your entire argument for him being better than Hinata is "Chouji is really strong, you'll see soon."

Yup, this is a worthwhile debate. How about contributing to the topic, and stop wasting space?

Okay, now your starting to piss me off. It was said that Neji is much more skilled than Hinata with all Hyuuga techniques. Hell, it was said that the little Hyuuga 8 year old is better than her. What makes you think she could be better than Chouji? Her scouting abilities are okay, not as good as Shino's, or Kiba's or Neji's. She has no ninjutsu. The only thing that is unique about her is her Taijutsu, which is hand to hand combat. Ninjutsu is more important then Taijutsu overall.

Ninjutsu- Chouji > Hinata
Tai- Hinata > Chou
Strength- Chou > Hinata
Stamina- Chou > Hinata
Speed- Chou > Hinata (during meat tank, otherwise prob hinata)

I feel like there's no point in continuing this because your such a stubborn moron. I wish narutoinfo.com was still up so I could show you the official stats. Hinata has all 1/5's and Chou is 2/5's 3/5's.

[Shippou-sama]

I'm sorry if I'm pissing you off, but you're also leaving the entire point of the topic. As mentioned, if you want to keep this debate going, start another thread. I'll be happy to join you when it's on-topic.

[Kagemane_no_Jutsu]

Are you a moderator? No. Just because you started this thread doesn't mean you can tell everyone what to do. Threads go off topic all the time. Atleast we're still talking about naruto. And I don't even see how I really went off topic by discussing which character is better in a team. Your just an idiot, if you don't have a reply to my post on Chouji and Hinata then shutup. I'm not going to create a stupid thread that will be nothing but me repeating myself.

[Shippou-sama]

*sigh*

I'm not trying to be a moderator, but you're arguing which team is worse, not better. It's now a debate about "Who is a worse ninja, Hinata or Chouji?" in a thread about the perfect team. Neither of them belong on an "ideal" team of 3 genin and 1 Jounin, so I don't know why you want to press the issue. I'm also not trying to piss you off.

In the meantime, since Chouji has, up until now in the anime, demonstrated 0% effectiveness as a ninja, he is considered useless. I'm not saying he doesn't have potential, I'm not saying he doesn't get better, I'm saying he isn't useful right now.

Hinata, while not as great a fighter as Neji, at least has the Byukagen. Now, while I concede that Neji is clearly a better scout than Hinata, because he's better with the Byukagen, but how can you say that Shino and Kiba are better scouts, when they both defer to her as a scout in the Chuunin exam.

Like I said, I'm not trying to piss you off, I'm not trying to attack you or your knowledge of the show, there's no reason to resort to calling me retarded, nor an idiot.

Edit @ kagemane: Eh, I didn't take personal offense (it's actually fairly hard to offend me), but I don't see what kind of place it has in a discussion or a debate. And yeah, Chouji sucks. =P

[Kagemane_no_Jutsu]

I'm DISCUSSING which one would be better for a team. I'm sorry if you take offense to me calling you an idiot. I didn't mean for you to take it seriously. I was just having a debate with you, I wasn't trying to insult you. But yeah, Hinata sucks.i/expressions/face-icon-small-happy.gif

[PSJ]

hmm well ill just say this its useless to discuss which of those to his the strongest since both of them are weak compared to the others.

so heres the best team.

Jiraiya, Naruto, Gaara, Shikamaru. you cant argue with that cuase thats the best possible combination you got.

[Shippou-sama]

I can argue that Jiraiya is not a Jounin. Even if he is somehow technically a Jounin for some reason that I have missed (I assume Sannin is both a rank and a title), he is still massively unbalanced, and it has been stated a number of times throughout the thread that Itachi, the 3 Sannin, and any Hokages are not included. Otherwise the team would be Itachi, Orochimaru, Tsunade, Sarutobi, and they destroy everything in their path.

I do appreciate your attempts, but when I say Jounin, I mean someone who is used as one (IE: doesn't leave the village for years on end because he can). Try to stick to Kakashi, Asuma, Kurenai, Gai, Ibiki, Anko, Ebisu, and any others that I missed.

Admittedly, Gaara at this point does seem both unreliable, and fairly useless (sure he can't be touched, but how does that help his team?). I imagine he would also offer resistance were he asked to walk a dog, or pick trash out of a river. =P

[jing]

DUDE, HINATA'S NOT EVEN WORTH ARUGING ABOUT, just forget about it jeez

START TALKING ABOUT THE BIG GUYS.

its time for the ultimate team:
kabuto, kakashi, gai sensei, sephiroth

[Mut]

Originally posted by: Shippou-sama
I can argue that Jiraiya is not a Jounin. Even if he is somehow technically a Jounin for some reason that I have missed (I assume Sannin is both a rank and a title), he is still massively unbalanced, and it has been stated a number of times throughout the thread that Itachi, the 3 Sannin, and any Hokages are not included. Otherwise the team would be Itachi, Orochimaru, Tsunade, Sarutobi, and they destroy everything in their path.
you seem to be mistaken, jiraiya is a jounin. sannin is only a title given to him, orochimaru and tsunade. the ideal team would be jiraiya, sasuke, neji, and naruto.

and don't even talk about imbalance with jiraiya, he is a jounin and fits all the criteria to be one and in your 'perfect team.' if you exclude him out then we should exclude some of the genins who are 'massively unbalanced' like naruto and gaara.

[KaneInferno]

Originally posted by: jing
DUDE, HINATA'S NOT EVEN WORTH ARUGING ABOUT, just forget about it jeez

START TALKING ABOUT THE BIG GUYS.

its time for the ultimate team:
kabuto, kakashi, gai sensei, sephiroth

sephiroth...lol. he should be in naruto just for the purpose of putting him on a team and watching to see if they can work well together. sephiroth would likely be a team by himself, and still do better than anyone else.

[Shippou-sama]

*sigh*

Okay, this topic is worthless now. If the Sannin count as Jounin, you're right, there's no point. Can someone close the topic?

And Jing, we already agreed to stop talking, but thanks for siding with me on it. =P

[Reno]

edit - yea, was pretty wothless huh? i/expressions/face-icon-small-tongue.gif

[KaneInferno]

reno, not a good way to start posting. that pic has been seen here many times. its old. bad idea.

[Shippou-sama]

Yeah, that was a joke Reno. You needn't actually put it up here. If I thought it was a good idea, I would have posted it myself. =\

[Utaman]

*sigh* well it was a good topic.

Had some neat arguments, ahhhh well.

[KaneInferno]

Okay i have a team to compliment my first one, you know, for the big missions that require more than one team.

Jounin: Gai
Genin: Shino, Sasuke, TenTen

some might wonder why i chose tenten. with her weapon throwing skills, shino could have his bugs form into various weapons and have tenten throw them, thus getting a two fold attack. plus with gai's mad taijutsu and sasuke's sharingan, they can handle themselves pretty well. and since i have no byakugan users, shino would be the primary scout. plus, if the genins can learn to put up with gai, they can work VERY well together.

Edit: Shino's bugs make great scouts, which is why i put that in there. and thanks for the compliment!

[Raposo_C]

LMAO ... nice one KaneInferno, man you know your teams. I can't see anything wrong with it (though I can't remember ever seeing Shino do any scouting) but that would be a really cool team to compliment the other one. I think someone else said in these forums that you have to respect Gai for walking around in green spandex and being ok with that ... well I don't know if I could ever put up with him but maybe they could (in a life and death cituation lol)

[Shippou-sama]

Hmm. Well, I will admit that Jiraiya is clearly superior to Kakashi in every way, so he'd be the obvious choice, but there are still 3 spots to fill with Genin. Naruto and Sasuke can work well together, but they pretty much do the same basic job (taijutsu with some ninjutsu backup). Especially now that they have the chidori/rasengan, they're essentially the same, so I'd say pick one or the other.

Also, since Lee is out of commission still, he's not technically a valid team member. Also, the "perfect team" stated before did seem to rely a bit heavily on Taijutsu, as does Mutata's team.

So, let's try again, this time without any gray areas: Jiraiya counts, Tsunade doesn't. Kakashi, Gai, Ebisu, Kurenai, Anko, Ibiki, and Asuma also count. Kabuto can be a Jounin, but cannot work with Naruto. Orochimaru can be a Jounin, but cannot work with Naruto, Sasuke, or Sakura. Lee cannot fight, so he cannot be on a team. Since we haven't seen anything to the contrary (yet), we will assume that, for now, Gaara will not work with Konoha genin. Itachi is a missing-nin and has no reason to cooperate with any team, regardless of his rank.

That being said, let's try another round, shall we?

Jiraiya: Strong Ninjutsu, extremely experienced, good leader, versatile, considerable taijutsu for backup.

Sasuke: Strong taijutsu, high speed for tough opponents, Chidori, partial Sharingan, stable strength (as opposed to Naruto's "Well, when he really gets serious").

Shino: Tracking, scouting, analytical, chakra-consuming bugs, moderate taijutsu.

Eh, I'm undecided about who to add to it. I'm thinking Shikamaru, but he doesn't bring too much to the table, or Neji, but then we don't need Shino, and we're a bit heavy on Taijutsu again.

[DB_Hunter]

Normal Team:

Jounin: Kakashi

Genin: Naruto, Sasuke, Neji

It's tough choosing between Neji and Rock Lee.

Current Alive best team:

'Teacher': Jiraiya

Team: Itachi, Orochimaru and Tsunade.

Jiaiya could prolly get along with all these guys if he had too, so he makes a good 'teacher'... in the sense of holding the team together.

All Star Best team of all Time

Well I think there should be two:

Teacher: Jiraiya

Team: Itachi, Yondaime, Tsunade

This team would get along really well together, as long as Itachi doesn't go crazy again.

Teacher: Shodaime

Team: Sandaime, Orochimaru, Nidaime.

The Jutsu masters. Nuff said.

[KaneInferno]

oh man just as i got the topic back to where it was, you guys changed the rules! now i have to think up all new teams!! (j/k)

[Shippou-sama]

Umm, first off, I realize I may have missed something, but who are Yondaime, Shodaime, Sandaime, and Nidaime?

Secondly, I did specify alive. It's nice that you thought to throw it in there, but I have said that only the living guys count.

Third, your "current alive" team doesn't work on a number of levels. Not only are Itachi, Orochimaru, and Tsunade far from Genins, but Jiraiya wouldn't be the "teacher," and there's no way Orochimaru or Itachi would work together with them (even if Jiraiya/Tsunade were willing, which I'm doubtful they would be).

Fourth, Naruto and Sasuke are fairly mutually exclusive (only in the respect that they do the same job), and they both do the same job as Kakashi.

Fifth, isn't the point of a singular "All star best of all time" team to make on definitive team that would crush all others? What's the point of having two?

*Edit* Haha! Sorry, but I figure it's worth trying to see if the new rules will help anything. =P

[KaneInferno]

those names are the hokages.

[DB_Hunter]

Originally posted by: Shippou-sama
Umm, first off, I realize I may have missed something, but who are Yondaime, Shodaime, Sandaime, and Nidaime?

Secondly, I did specify alive. It's nice that you thought to throw it in there, but I have said that only the living guys count.

Third, your "current alive" team doesn't work on a number of levels. Not only are Itachi, Orochimaru, and Tsunade far from Genins, but Jiraiya wouldn't be the "teacher," and there's no way Orochimaru or Itachi would work together with them (even if Jiraiya/Tsunade were willing, which I'm doubtful they would be).

Fourth, Naruto and Sasuke are fairly mutually exclusive (only in the respect that they do the same job), and they both do the same job as Kakashi.

Fifth, isn't the point of a singular "All star best of all time" team to make on definitive team that would crush all others? What's the point of having two?

*Edit* Haha! Sorry, but I figure it's worth trying to see if the new rules will help anything. =P

Shodaime = First Hokage
Nidaime = Second Hokage
Sandaime = Third Hokage
Yondaime = Fourth Hokage

Most of the other points: That's why I wrote 'Teacher'... and I tried to specify further by saying that this role would mainly be that of a leader rather than a conventional teacher.

Naruto and Sasuke being mutually exculsive... two heads are better than one then...

Two all Star teams... different styles... and tell me out of those two teams who are the best three from what we know right now in the anime?

[CapsuleCorpJX]

If you mean all ninjas:

1) Tsuande
2) Jiraya
3) Itachi



Originally posted by: Shippou-sama
Basically, a few of my friends and I have debated and discussed various teams. The basic idea is to create a team that can handle all or most situations, work well together (so Naruto is generally a bad candidate), and not waste/overlap talent (using Hinata for healing, while overlooking her Byukagen, or putting too many fighters in one team). Please try to explain your choices, as well.

The teams are four member squads, so we'll stick with 1 Jounin and 3 genin.

My current "team" is Kakashi for dealing with genjutsu, Shikamaru for tactics (in case of seperation), Neiji for scouting/taijutsu, and Sasuke for general ninjutsu use.

Mind you, my team has several holes, but this is the team I'm thinking of now.

[Shippou-sama]

I'm sorry CC, but I fail to see how your post has any relevance to my first post since: 1) You didn't follow the rules (missing-nin does not count, 1 Jounin 3 genin), 2) You didn't explain your choices, and 3) You have overlapping talents (Jiraiya and Itachi are both Ninjutsu specialists, while they might have widely varying selections of Jutsus, they're still both strongest with ninjutsu).

[Jakins]

Kakashi

Naruto and Gaara for obvious reasons, but these 2 dont need a third member
so
Sakura so that other teams still have a chance against them, and could be teagirl

[Death BOO Z]

wow, so many rules...
here's my new perfect team:
Kabuto - smart type fighter, could go head to head with Tsunade, Shizune and Naruto, and still came out the winner from the fight with them.

Neji - another smart fighter, can also scout and see through genjutsu with ease.
Sasuke - great fighter, sharingan can copy moves and help against ninjutsu.
Shikamaru - it was either him or Kiba\Shino, and i hate those two more than i sometimes dislike Shikamaru, and Shika's braingan could fit in quite good with the others.

since neither of three knows that Kabuto is evil, no one will get upset on him, Sasuke and Neji will be at eadh others throat for a while, but since both of them have to deal with an annoying guy in thier original team (Naruto and Lee), they would end their bickery with eachother pretty quick and move on with thier life. Shikamaru can shadow thier enemies, and make them open to the others to attack (the great thing here is that the chidori, gentle fist and the chackra scapel attacks are all based on chakra, so Shikamaru will take no damage from the attacks and still keep the enemy at hold) and he's smart to dechiper thier enemies plan. Kabuto is both a med nin (and seeing how he's the strongest of them, the enemy won't be able to put him out of commision fast), the inner spy (he hid himself as a leaf for about 10 years, he could probably trick anyone) and the calmness of the group.

i think that this group could seriously kick ass, there's no flaw in the formation.

[TruthofMistake]

id say kakashi for his because he has some skill in everything and more then some at most.... as for the others shikamaru because hes a badass and could come up with effective strats to use.... rock lee for his speed and taijutsu for scouting as well as fighting.... id say naruto as the powerhouse but he doesnt really fit so probably sasuke since he is consistently better then naruto except for the whole gaara thing i suppose and except for the whole itachi thing his emotions wouldnt get in the way or anything

[TruthofMistake]

-edit- shit double post

[KaneInferno]

Okay, here's a team according to the new rules.

Jounin: Kabuto
Genin: Neji, Sasuke, Shikamaru

I believe that follows the criteria of the new rules. Have fun tearing this team apart!

[Shippou-sama]

Well, I'm mildly surprised that people still insist on placing Kabuto on a team, especially since he is clearly inferior to Jiraiya. Oh well.

First off, the team is massively shifted towards Taijutsu, since Sasuke uses primarily taijutsu with some ninjutsu backup, and Neji and Kabuto both use modified Taijutsu. And for reference, Kabuto did not come out the winner against all three of them, Tsunade was temporarily incapacitated, not defeated.

Has it been stated that Neji can see through Genjutsu? I'll admit I'm not sure on this, but since it hasn't come up before, I'd like a second opinion.

I imagine that Shikamaru is quite useless in this team as he cannot complement their skills very adequately (as he lacks taijutsu prowess), and while his Kagemane is useful, it would not warrant his inclusion in this team. Strategic or not, Kabuto is equally analytical which, when coupled with his higher rank, means that Shikamaru will not be supplying the team with tactics.

A very good start though. Keep 'em coming!

[KaneInferno]

Yet Another

Jounin: Kurenai
Genin: Naruto, Shino, Hinata

You might wonder why i have hinata. with naruto around, shell be motivated to try hard, making her slightly more useful than normal. also these characters have shown no animosity towards each other so i believe they will work together very well. I know it's basically team 8 without kiba, but naruto has more ninjutsu, and is slightly(strong emphasis one the word slightly) less arrogant than Kiba.

[Shippou-sama]

That actually seems like a very good team. Other than a general lack of strength (only when compared to powerhouse teams like Jiraiya, Naruto, Gaara, Lee), it seems excellent. It's also nice that we get to have a genjutsu specialist (more than anyone else) on a team. I'm sure there are flaws, but I'm not sure. And yes, they'd undoubtedly work well together, and Naruto + Hinata = both of them trying harder, so they're good teammates. Also, Naruto is a nice alternative to Kiba since he doesn't have to take drugs to do well.

[KaneInferno]

I think the hard part about creating these teams is that just about all the genins use primarily taijutsu. All the ninjutsu and genjutsu we've seen come mainly from the sannins and the hokages. it's hard to make a team using the characters we know to create something other than taijutsu heavy teams.

[Shippou-sama]

Come to think of it, why are all the genins focusing so hard on Taijutsu? I'd think having Neji and Rock Lee in the same village would make you want to work harder on nin/gen jutsus. 0.o

Then again, I suppose it would be hard to be a genjutsu specialist as a genin, since the most basic genjutsu probably isn't very effective, so you'd have to be higher ranked before you were any good. Ninjutsu is pretty much the same way. The only two people with very useful (offensive) ninjutsu both learned them before they were supposed to (Naruto's Kage Bunshin and Sasuke's fire . . . thing). All the other genins seem to have one special jutsu and the rest is hand to hand fighting (except Tenten, who would really be fairly effective in an actual mission, I would think).

[KaneInferno]

I still like my first two teams. before the rules changed. ill try to come up with something better, but i can't guarentee anything without holes now that the rules have changed.

Also, i noticed the genins with the most nin/gen jutsus are chars that suck. sakura and ino use ninjutsu more than others, and while he definitly does not suck, shikamaru uses primarily ninjutsu, but has little chakra for prolonged usage. these characters are ineffective in taijutsu to the point that they can't be very useful in a fight, except shika's intelligence.

the only chars with decent nin/tai jutsu combinations are naruto and sasuke, two chars who can't really work well with alot of people, thus reducing their usefulness. thats why i avoid using them.

[Aramis]

My team comin' up here..

Kakashi is the obvious jounin I think, being a good teacher, quite strong, and has so many jutsus that there has to be a useful one for any situation.
Shikamaru is a must, with the right kind of help, if he gets something kagemaned, then that is dead. And he won't screw things up.
then...Temari. why the hell? Because, she can deflect all the ranged attacks thrown at the enire team. And if something comes close up, then it will get shadowed i/expressions/face-icon-small-tongue.gif SO, her job is to pull the enemies near. And she ain't that bad overall, and can make excessive sick-ass chain traps.
lastly...Tenten. Her perfect marksmanship is the best thing I can think of that helps at ranged combat. And the she has that kick-ass weapon spamming technique.

+ Excessive damage from a long range.
+ Well protected (rooting enemies in place, nullifying attacks with fan)
+ Big bonus if they have the initiative (IQ 200+, Trapping)

- Cannot fight long battles (Limited Chakra/Weapon capacity)
- Don't have and Can't deal with ultra-high level techniques

[Shippou-sama]

I'm still looking for someone to fill the last spot for Jiraiya, Sasuke, and Shino. I'm sure there's someone useful to put in there. =\

[KaneInferno]

Originally posted by: Shippou-sama
I'm still looking for someone to fill the last spot for Jiraiya, Sasuke, and Shino. I'm sure there's someone useful to put in there. =\

If all else fails, Tenten. Seriously.

[jing]

Originally posted by: Aramis

Shikamaru is a must, with the right kind of help, if he gets something kagemaned, then that is dead.

That's not true, if it was, then Temari would be dead now wouldn't she.

[Shippou-sama]

I'd have to agree. I think Shikamaru is probably better than most people think he is, but he's not the best of the best. Among other things, he has a limit to what he can do to them unless he learns his father's shadow choking move (which admittedly, why hasn't he??).

[miaka]

hmm he prob will.. if we get to see him more often.. i mean that technique is like a pass down technique.. isn't it?
woudl be kewl to see shika do it though..

[Shippou-sama]

I see no reason why he wouldn't, and I do think it's a family jutsu. I guess it'll probably come up later, if he actually gets an important part of the series. If he does get it, wow, what an addition to any team!! =P

[fremeer]

im gonna give a possible team not one made up up that has zero chance of ever working

Kakashi - good insight can control naruto to an extent
naruto - due to kagebunshin and high stamina can be versatile. add in gamabunta when in serious trouble and rasengan for close range domination
shikamaru - shikmaru is the best strategist around so he is a nice versatile character, he has low level of abilities but his shadow imitation can take care of most medium-close range techniques.
third option is hard because i cant do spoilers.
so with the current genins its
coming down to tenten, sasuke and shino
id prefer shino but he doesnt fit into the team so ill have to take sasuke.
if i had any pick for last one id take rock lee because he is so funky and taijutsu is the most interesting to watch.

[Shippou-sama]

If you insist on placing Naruto on the team, Sasuke doesn't add to it, and since he won't listen to Shikamaru's tactics, it's down to Naruto and Kakashi. You still need two more people on your team.

[drcitan]

Kakashi,Tsunade,Shikamaru thats all folks

[Y]

Originally posted by: drcitan
Kakashi,Tsunade,Shikamaru thats all folks



The teams are four member squads, so we'll stick with 1 Jounin and 3 genin.

Way to read the opening post, bud.

[drcitan]

Yeah its hard pleasing a women and reading at the same time but lets go with Orochimaru, shikamaru, sasuke, neji.

[drcitan]

Yeah its hard pleasing a women and typing at the same time but lets go with Orochimaru, sasuke, neji, shikamaru final answer. DAMN IT it sorry for double posting

[Y]

Originally posted by: drcitan
Yeah its hard pleasing a women and reading at the same time but lets go with Orochimaru, shikamaru, sasuke, neji.

Yeah ok, Palmela Handerson doesn't count as a woman.

And how does Orochimaru add to that team? None of the Genin would do a damn thing he said.

[drcitan]

You'll be suprised what a pack of skittles and a bowl ramien can do. BTW my wife likes the compliment "bud"

[Shippou-sama]

Let's try to keep it above a 7th grade intellectual level? No? Okay, why not. To clear it up, he was implying that you were referring to your hand as a woman. IE: You don't have a woman, and you're playing with yourself while surfing the net.

But he has a point. None of the genins would listen, and Sasuke cannot be on the team with Orochimaru (there is no significant evidence to show that he would even consider listening to him). Neji wouldn't listen to Shikamaru, he considers himself a good enough ninja on his own, and is a year older than Shikamaru, so would likely pull the "seniority" card. Your team would fall apart before they ever left Konoha.

If you can keep it clean, and offer reasons for your choices, I welcome you to try again. Otherwise, please don't bother.

[drcitan]

Originally posted by: Mut@t@
itachi, jiraiya, orochimaru.

no other combination of alive characters can beat that.

EDIT:

oh yeah, i forgot an extra person. thanks basey_69. i add tsunade.

EDIT 2:

this is a one joun and three genin team? that's gay. i'm sticking with my original idea.

Ok kid then do you think this team would work together itachi, jiraiya, orochimaru. Your talking about the whole keeping it above a 7th grade intellectual and add in im masterbastering.Good you kido. But reallly I do have wife and you have no proof to say I don't. btw I knew what he was talking about and you have right to tell me to keep it clean with your comment being said.

[basey44]

well... he was joking and so was i, you really shouldnt be that disrespectful to others when you post count is only 60, im willing to bet all 60 of your posts have been worthless spam or just dumbass things like you just said, and your a dick. ok?


EDIT: how bloody far back did u go for that quote? i cant find it at all

[oniorochi]

My team would be:

Gai - He's way cooler than Kakashi, plus he adds an important part to the team, namely...

Rock Lee - Best hand-to-hand combat fighter
Hinata - Better than Neji on a team; has the same abilites except for tajuitsu , and Rock Lee is a better fighter than him, so he's excluded (and he's no teamplayer). Plus she is a healer, and that my friends is a super ability in a team.
Shikamaru - The brain, and when he's on a team he's not lacy or unmotivated, that's teamwork; and can disable all oponents with his ninjuitsu.

Other than that, I have to say the best *existing* team is the one with Hinata.

[Shippou-sama]

Drcitan, can you even try to post something worthwhile?

First off, I didn't say it, I was clarifying, since you seemed to miss the point (your wife considers it a complement to be called a hand?). Secondly, you again ignored my request to offer reasons for your choices. If you are in fact suggesting Itachi, Jiraiya, and Orochimaru as a team, then I'd have to say you read as bad as you type, since I've stated NUMEROUS times that the teams should consist of 1 Jounin and 3 Genin. If you were not suggesting it, then I retract the last sentence (except the implication that you type poorly, because that still stands).

@ Basey: It's on the first page.

@ Oniorochi: That's actually a pretty good team. I see no innate flaws. The only downside would be that the team consists of two heavy taijutsu users, one healer/scout, and one tactician/shadow-binder (for lack of a better classification). There is no genjutsu (hard to find, I know, it's a minor point), and little to no Ninjutsu (bigger point). This team would probably be able to handle most situations.

[Mut]

Originally posted by: drcitan


Originally posted by: Mut@t@
itachi, jiraiya, orochimaru.

no other combination of alive characters can beat that.

EDIT:

oh yeah, i forgot an extra person. thanks basey_69. i add tsunade.

EDIT 2:

this is a one joun and three genin team? that's gay. i'm sticking with my original idea.

Ok kid then do you think this team would work together itachi, jiraiya, orochimaru. Your talking about the whole keeping it above a 7th grade intellectual and add in im masterbastering.Good you kido. But reallly I do have wife and you have no proof to say I don't. btw I knew what he was talking about and you have right to tell me to keep it clean with your comment being said.
what the hell are you talking about. i specifically said that i'ma stick with my idea despite the 'rules.' try quoting the right person next time and don't provoke random people.

[drcitan]

Originally posted by: Mut@t@


Originally posted by: drcitan


Originally posted by: Mut@t@
itachi, jiraiya, orochimaru.

no other combination of alive characters can beat that.

EDIT:

oh yeah, i forgot an extra person. thanks basey_69. i add tsunade.

EDIT 2:

this is a one joun and three genin team? that's gay. i'm sticking with my original idea.

Ok kid then do you think this team would work together itachi, jiraiya, orochimaru. Your talking about the whole keeping it above a 7th grade intellectual and add in im masterbastering.Good you kido. But reallly I do have wife and you have no proof to say I don't. btw I knew what he was talking about and you have right to tell me to keep it clean with your comment being said.
what the hell are you talking about. i specifically said that i'ma stick with my idea despite the 'rules.' try quoting the right person next time and don't provoke random people.
S
Despite the rules my team was Orochimaru(Jounin), shikamaru, neji, and sasuke. I picked this team not based on rather they would get along together but based on strength. The only reason I quoted your team was to show that I wasn't the only one who picked a team based off teamwork.

[Shippou-sama]

That's nice to know, but the point wasn't to ignore whatever guidelines you didn't like and just waste space. The point is, not only does your team not fit the rules, but they wouldn't work. If you're completely ignoring the point of this thread (a team that does work together), and just looking for strength, you still failed. The strongest possible team would be Jiraiya (oro doesn't have arms, and Kabuto isn't going with him), Naruto, Gaara, and Neji.

[oniorochi]

Originally posted by: Shippou-sama
Drcitan, can you even try to post something worthwhile?

[...]

@ Oniorochi: That's actually a pretty good team. I see no innate flaws. The only downside would be that the team consists of two heavy taijutsu users, one healer/scout, and one tactician/shadow-binder (for lack of a better classification). There is no genjutsu (hard to find, I know, it's a minor point), and little to no Ninjutsu (bigger point). This team would probably be able to handle most situations.

Yeah, but as Rock Lee is needed; and I dubt that he would be on a team without Gai; so the team had to be constructed that way.
Kakashi would have been better for genjuitsu or ninjuitsu, but I rather have Rock Lee on the team than any other of the genins. Plus, Gai had the funny factor, that's important to me.

I think the important point is that there are no perfect teams.

[basey44]

yea, cos how can u start a fight without someone doing the "nice guy" pose

[drcitan]

This whole dispute could've been avoided if I would have read the rules. My apologies.

[Shippou-sama]

Thank you for being mature about it. It's actually quite rare to see people do that online. Like I said, I appreciate any teams submitted, so now that you've read them, you're more than welcome to try another team.

@ Oniorochi: Oops! I forgot that Lee is incapacitated, I'm fairly sure he's not recovered just yet. =P (Also note: Lee doesn't get to choose who he is on a team with, so if he wasn't assigned to Gai, there's nothing he could do).

[oniorochi]

Ah, if that's the case I pick

Kakashi
Rock Lee
Hinata
Shikamaru

... and as you noticed I ignore that Rock Lee is injured, because he can still be on the team. When the 5:th heals him he will be invaluable.

In fact, I thought of Jiraiya instead of Kakashi, but he does not concern himself with even jounins so gennins is not likely; the sannins are all disfunct; though I think he would still admire all the little kiddies in this team.

As you would have noticed I picked only teamplayers for my team, because that's what a team is; Neji, Naruto, Sasuke etc are are horrible teammates, they do more bad than good.

[KaneInferno]

I have a new team that doesn't exactly follow the rules of the thread, but it does follow the rules of the anime as of ep 107 if you havent seen it yet don't look.






Chounnin Leader: Shikamaru
Genin: Neji, Sasuke, Shino

Shika=strategist as leader since that's what chounins do, Neji=taijutsu, Sasuke=ninjutsu, Shino=little bit of all three in case one goes down he can cover that aspect.

tear it apart guys!

[DarthEnderX]

Fuck, Kane just said what I was going to...

Okay, I guess I'll adhere more to the rules then and go with...

Neji, Shino, Shika...no wait, he's a chuunin, um, Sasuke then. And Anko for a Jounin.

[Jin234]

mine is neji,kakashi,sasuke,and tsunde

[coldpower27]

I would like my team to be like this:

Orochimaru
Sasuke
Naruto
Hinata

[coldpower27]

double post

[xXxAngelGurlxXx]

My group would be Tsunade, Sasuke, Naruto and Neji

[Assassin]

itachi, 3rd hokage, 4th hokage, oro/jiraya, tsunade (cuz shes a medic so she takes priority)

[Shippou-sama]

Wow. Thank you all for strenthening my faith in humanity. </sarcasm>

Glad we can all read. -_-;;

[animefreak]

Naruto's doesn't need a team, he can used kage Bunshin no jutsu.

[DarthEnderX]

Glad we can all read. -_-;;

Hate to tell you Ship, but your limitations are needlessly restrictive and would just end up sucking all the creativity from a thread like this.

Wow, one jounin and 3 gennin, fantasic, that'll get all of about four combinations.

[Assertn]

i think the point was to keep people from just listing all 4 hokages, or something insane/lame like that

[Shippou-sama]

That was the intent. But, of course, when there were no more loopholes, people just decided to forget the guidelines and do it anyway.

[Bobacahog]

jounin = Kakashi he rarely looses his kewl and can use his sharingan to sse through stuff.
genin = Shikamaru (yeah I know he is a chunin) Tactics, planning. He also doesn't rush into anything and doesnt fight if he cna avoid it and complete the mission.

Neji Scouting and ninjutsu and byakugan to see through genjutsu. he is also really good at taijutsu and has excellent chakra control

Sasuke he can copy with his sharingan and learn new jutsus. He is skilled with ninjutsu and taijutsu that he learned by watching Lee. he has the potential to learn to use his sharingan like Itachi.

[jing]

seeing throught genjutsu? sakura chan can do that!

[Deblas]

hmm let me see. kakashi, neji, shikamaru, lee and naruto

[every1_own]

sakura,naruto,sasuke...ahah and kakashi!!!

[Jakins]

Same. Just can't get enough of Sakura

[Mystic_X]

Lee for short range offence
Gaara for defence and long range
Shino scouting, good offence and defence capabilities
Shikamaru's dad for tactics and crowd control (ok maybe his dad isnt the smartest but i couldnt choose shika)

[Terracosmo]

Neji: Need I say more?
Kiba: Because he's underrated.
Tenten: To keep Neji's morale high. ;D
Kurenai: To teach Tenten new tricks.

[GreenSpan]

Jounin: Shikamarus father, he has a lot more control of his shadow techniques and he must have some of the tactic potential that shikamaru has.
Genins: Gaara, has one of the "ultimate" defenses and is very strong in offense. Neji, Byakugan and all his inhereted abilities. Rock Lee, he's the best hand to hand genin and probably the deadliest. Last but not least Naruto, he has a long history with all of the 3 other genins and he's got ample amounts of chakra, abilities and will.

Cons about this team: Gaara can run wild during battle and go into forced sleep and release shukaku. This team might not be able to work together because of the past that this team shares!

[SharinganBattousai]

Wow Shippou ur quite ignorant aren't u can't u see even though pplz are making different teams not following ur guidelines yes i understand but they're expressing themselves so calm down and to set da facts straight Kabuto is not a Jounin his rank is a Genin his fighting cababilities are matched with Jounins and possibly Sannins as he demonstrated in the fight with Tsunade
My Team would be
Jounin-Kakashi Couldn't agree more loads of life and death experience I'll leave it at that don't wanna spoil things for pplz
Genin #1-Naruto Proven himself tons of times and undoubtfully strong and CAN work with anyone but he's got quite a few to learn in order to be effective in certain situations.
Genin #2-Hinata Always useful with Byyakugaun(Forgive me 4 Mispelling) and encourage Naruto
Genin #3-Sasuke So far this team lacks Taijustu capabilities although yes Lee would make a better canidate but he has Sharingan along with ability to strive and due better to due Naruto

[Niosen]

Naruto, Neji, tsunade,Jiraiya,

[Naroku]

i would probably have Shino, Shikamaru, Kakashi, and Tsunade

[NM]

Jounin: Tsunade, good to have a medical ninja plus she's really strong.
Genin 1: Neji, to put it simply, he's a well balanced ninja.
Genin 2: Shikamaru, good strategist.
Genin 3: Naruto, he's been in tough spots but always managed to pull through so he can handle any situation.

[NM]

EDIT: Double Post. Sorry about that.

[Jman]

upper level+ : Itachi, Oro, Jiraiya, Tsunade...overkill

3genin & 1 jounin: naruto, gaara, neji, Gai

[HyuugaNin]

The best 4 man team for my money would have to be Kakashi, Neji, Naruto, and Kabuto.
Kakashi is one of the most powerful Jounins and his sharingan is useful for numerous reasons. He is also dedicated to his teammates. long live the Leaf's White Fang!
Neji's advanced bloodline and gentle fist fighting style are invaluable, especially when combined with Kakashi's sharingan.
Naruto, while unpredictable, has massive amounts of chakra and stamina which makes him an effective team member.
Kabuto has to be the most powerful genin around. His skill level has been said to equal or exceed Kakashi's and he was able to handle the fifth Hokage by himself. He is also a medical ninja which would be invaluable on dangerous missions.

[Phoenix23]

Originally posted by: HyuugaNinKabuto has to be the most powerful genin around. His skill level has been said to equal or exceed Kakashi's and he was able to handle the fifth Hokage by himself. He is also a medical ninja which would be invaluable on dangerous missions.Kabuto was a leaf genin (he had to stay there for the sake of the rank), but he's not a leaf anymore... and he seems to be in higher standing with Orochimaru than the sound 5, which I presume are chuunin, so that would make him a likely candidate for a sound jounin nowadays... (that is, if the sound are a village anymore; presumed heavy losses in the attack on Konoha and then the probable loss of the sound 4/5 should really cripple it, as a village, for a good time to come - and we've yet to see Orochimaru mentioned as the kage of the sound, to begin with...)

[HyuugaNin]

Phoenix23 mentions that he/she believes the sound 5 to be chuunin but I don't know why that asumption would be made. After all they were beaten indiviually by genins from Konoha. That leads me to belive they were genins as well. As for Kabuto, while I doesn't have the skill level of a genin, neither do a number of genins who have not been promoted. I also doubt that Orochimaru is too concerned rankings, so there is no reason to assume he raised Kabuto's rank. It also seems that the only way to advance is through the exam which Kabuto never completed.

[Mut]

kabuto isn't a genin.

[Ryllharu]

Didn't we do this thread in the manga section? Anyhow, since Kabuto is out because he is CLEARLY not genin material, and Shikamaru is out for being a chuunin and all, the best team is:

Naruto: offensive raw power
Gaara: unbeatable defense
Neji: Information gathering and well rounded fighter.

If they need a leader, its Shikamaru, he would probably know better than anyone how to use their talents to the fullest. Why use a jounin when a chuunin will do the job?

[boy george]

jounin - tsunade-sama
genin - gaara naruto sasuke


Tsunade for healing (not that any of these badboys will get hurt) also shes kick ass and powerful.

Gaara pwns j00. and its got shukaku to eat u alive
Naruto has immense amounts of chakra. Can be used very well and hes got gamabunta.
Who needs lee-kun? Sasuke-chan beat weights-off-lee's speed in 1 month. Plus hes got sharingan, uchiha blood, and sexxy hair.

I dont need no "plan making" from shika shika. My team sees you, you die.

[deadlydreamx]

jounin - tsunade-sama
genin - gaara naruto sasuke


Tsunade for healing (not that any of these badboys will get hurt) also shes kick ass and powerful.

Gaara pwns j00. and its got shukaku to eat u alive
Naruto has immense amounts of chakra. Can be used very well and hes got gamabunta.
Who needs lee-kun? Sasuke-chan beat weights-off-lee's speed in 1 month. Plus hes got sharingan, uchiha blood, and sexxy hair.

I dont need no "plan making" from shika shika. My team sees you, you die.

Spoiler Removed- MOD
so the new team would have to be
Tsunade - as leader because as the stated healing and bein super strong
Naruto - even tho we all pretty much see him as bein useless he gets the job done
Saskue - all i have to say is sharingan
rock-lee - even tho u said saskue could match his speed.. i dnt thing he could keep up wit lee with his gates opend

Please keep in mind where this is guys if this continues to have spoilers I'll move it - MOD

[Mizuchi]

level 2 curse seal + sexxiness > gates + super self damage effect after gates used


sasuke's steroids are better than lee's

[JaySee]

I don't know why people group Tsunade with Gaara. Why do you need healing when you have perfect defense?

Why put Kakashi and Sasuke together? Why the heck would you need Sasuke if you have Kakashi?

Rock Lee - Lack of any ninjutsu or genjutsu is a liability. Why would you pick him over Neji, Naruto, or Sasuke?

Why would anyone pick Hinata over Neji?

Shikamaru - First off, he's a CHUNIN so he should never be mentioned. 2nd, even though he's my favorite character he has no place on a "Perfect" team. His intelligence and strategy are a plus, but his lack of taijutsu is a major fault. The guy can't fight worth beans. His main Ninjutsu has a huge handicap as well. By his own admission, he's not a very good ninja.

Here's the perfect team:

Jiraya - Brute force, vast knowledge and techniques
Neji - Scouting, close combat
Gaara - Defense, long range combat
Ino - Espionage and infiltration

Jiraya is a much better choice for brute force than Naruto. He can call Gama and use Rasengan. He has defensive capabilities with his hair. He knows almost everything. He can fully use his Chakra unlike Naruto who only can call on Kyubii when he's half-dead or pissed off.

Neji has Byakugan which is superior to Sharingan. Sharingan isn't needed because this team has great defense from everyone except Ino and Jiraya can sense Genjutsu and Neji can see through it. Jiraya also knows so many techniques and is so powerful he doesn't have to copy. Neji is also a great close range fighter.

Gaara can provide defense for the entire team and long range attacks. He also never sleeps, so he can keep watch while the others sleep. His defense will be of great help to Ino who is helpless while using her most powerful technique.

Ino is very underrated. She can possess people. No need for Henge. She can possess the real thing and infiltrate anything. With training from Jiraya she can learn to use the techniques and abilities of the people she possesses and fight with them while Gaara protects her body in a sand coffin.

The only thing this team lacks is speed, but it's not really needed and can be made up for by Ino possessing someone. It has scouting, intelligence, espionage and infiltration, brute force, long and short range offense, and perfect defense.

Genjutsu: Jiraya, Ino
Taijutsu: Jiraya, Neji
Ninjutsu: Jiraya, Gaara

All 4 are intelligent and with their combined techniques they can put together destructive attacks and deadly traps.

Can anyone think of a better team under the 1 Jounin + 3 Genin guidelines? I THINK NOT!

[Animeniax]

Not sure if it's been dicussed, but does Jiraiya count as a Jounin in a 1 Jounin/3 genin team? Isn't a Sannin a little higher up the food chain than a Jounin?

[Mizuchi]

Anime- no, only thing higher than a jounin is hokage, and even the hokage is a jounin. Hes just the best overall leader for the village. Sannin in japanese translates out to 3 ninjas (san=3 nin = ninja) describing the 3 legendary ninja, which in the manga (i dont read the manga i just heard this) they call them the (idk how to say it in japanese) but they call them the 3 ninja of legend so its more clear that its not a rank.

Jaysee: When ino takes over sumones body and gets hurt, her own body gets hurt. She cant use other's ninjutsu just by taking over their bodies. Ninjutsu knowledge is stored within your soul. Thats why when oro takes over ppl's bodies, he still can use his old ninjutsu that hes learned in his old bodies. And what genjutsu does ino do?

Sasuke > Neji at close combat. Who needs scouting?

sasuke: neji we need to scout ahead!
neji: aight! byakugan!
sasuke: what u see?
neji: Itachi, but now that ive scouted them and they dont see us yet, we can totally beat them right?
sasuke: if we replaced u with a better team member than maybe. n00b.

Naruto can become stronger than anyone once he fully learns to use his kyuubi power. After all, you saw his power at the battle vs sasuke with only 1 tail released.

Jiraya
naruto
sasuke
gaara

still stands.

[JaySee]

Knowledge is stored in the brain. Ino can learn to use other people's techniques that are based on physical attributes, like Byakugan and Sharingan. Does her possesion technique count as Ninjutsu or Genjutsu? It is somewhat of a mind altering technique. IIRC she used genjutsu in an episode in the past, but I can't remember exactly.

Scouting and intelligence is very important in warfare. You can find the enemy, see the enemy, see what he has, what techniques he can use, how many there are, how far away. Then you can prepare and strategize and set traps.

As of now, in the anime, Naruto sucks as a choice for the perfect team for the reasons I've already stated. If your team has to get beaten half to death before your wildcard Naruto kicks in, your team is nowhere near perfect.

[Mizuchi]

if u give ino time to learn techniques, i give naruto time to learn to control his kyuubi. Seeing what techniques your opponent uses doesn't mean you can counter them. No matter how well-planned your sneak attack is on a dinosaur is, you will still lose. Unless you have a 9-tailed demon fox on your side. And no, ninjutsu is stored in the soul. If it was stored in the brain, oro could not use techniques learned in the past in his new bodies.

Lets do a virtual simulation of my team vs yours.

Jiraya naruto sasuke gaara
v
Jiraya ino neji gaara

Jiraya/Jiraya and gaara/gaara cancel out.

Naruto vs neji, we saw the outcome in the chuunin exams. not to mention that wasn't even Naruto's full power, nor did he summon a frog.

Sasuke vs Ino. nuff said.



P.S. I would use jiraya's frog stomach technique to separate the 4 of us into individual parts of the stomache to engage in 1 on 1 death combat. :)

[Canadian]

Well, I read throw most of the replies in this thread... I found there were a lot of idiotic ideas, comments, etc.

Here is my idea of the best team:

Jounin: Kakashi
Genin#1: Lee
Genin#2: Gaara
Genin#3: Neji

This team is built based on how well each character would interact with the other, and what abilities each character has to offer.

Kakashi is a well-rounded leader who is able to both construct/analyze plans, judge situations masterfully, and fight at a high level.
Lee is an expert in hand combat techniques and is a total brute (in both strength and speed). If given an order, he will definitely do it.
Gaara is a massive force on his own; with a team, he amplifies everyone's abilities with his own. His offense and defense are on in the same and are practically limitless; as a result, with some planning, the team could do anything (maybe use sand to lift someone? :-P)
Neji is here for one main purpose: His sight abilities. In addition to his sight abilities, he is also a great ninja in many fields. In this group, Neji should have very little conflict.

To sum it up: This group will have few conflicts among each other. They have an awsom offense, definitely accented by Gaara; the same goes for their defense. Their scouting abilities are about as great as it gets, and their abilities to identify enemy techniques are astounding. There is little they can't do, and everything they can do is at an elite level.

One Quick Example: Against one foe, Neji could point out where/which thing to attack, Gaara could slow down/hold that target, and Lee could attack it. Kakashi would be the leader in such a situation, making major decisions and contributing constantly (the Genin would be more of a mechanic part to the team, whereas Kakashi would change what he does/commands the team to do constantly).

[JaySee]

if u give ino time to learn techniques, i give naruto time to learn to control his kyuubi. Seeing what techniques your opponent uses doesn't mean you can counter them. No matter how well-planned your sneak attack is on a dinosaur is, you will still lose. Unless you have a 9-tailed demon fox on your side. And no, ninjutsu is stored in the soul. If it was stored in the brain, oro could not use techniques learned in the past in his new bodies.

Lets do a virtual simulation of my team vs yours.

Jiraya naruto sasuke gaara
v
Jiraya ino neji gaara

Jiraya/Jiraya and gaara/gaara cancel out.

Naruto vs neji, we saw the outcome in the chuunin exams. not to mention that wasn't even Naruto's full power, nor did he summon a frog.

Sasuke vs Ino. nuff said.



P.S. I would use jiraya's frog stomach technique to separate the 4 of us into individual parts of the stomache to engage in 1 on 1 death combat. :)

Your logic and strategy is flawed. Oro transferring his conciousness and memories are why he has his techniques after transferring bodies, not his SOUL, HIS MIND. They are in his memory. In a group match up, only an idiot would pit himself against an equal. You mix and match and use teamwork to get the advantage. So no, Jiraya doesn't cancel out Jiraya, and Gaara doesn't cancel out Gaara. My team would see your team coming miles away and set traps. Your team would have Naruto blindling running into a fight and getting trapped or knocked out. Then it's 3 on 4. Ino can possess any of the remaining 3. 2 on 4. Now your team just plain ol' gets its butt kicked. Naruto possibly is watching or wakes up, gets pissed, does his little speech and unleashes his Kyuubi. 1 Kyuubi Naruto vs Jiraya, Neji, Gaara, and whomever Ino possessed. Down goes Naruto. My team wins.

[Mizuchi]

Neji's current byakugan can only see a few miles, a sannin can move many many miles very quickly. You are aying Ino can posses Jiraya? Your team wont have enough time to set traps to catch us, and who says the senario is us chasing u? what if you are chasing us? and no, oro transfers his SOUL, hence the jutsu being named soul transfer technique. When naruto learns to unleash all 9 of his fox tails, he can easily take on gaara neji and jiraya. And you leave out the part that I use jiraya's frog stomache technique to separate all 4 of us. read carefully next time before you challenge my team >_<


P.S. Canadian, i wont bother challenging ur team with much detail. Not only is Jiraya smarter than kakashi, but he is a much better fighter and team member. In regular taijutsu, sasuke is already at lee's level, and he achieved what lee took years in only 1 month. Give him another month and he can get a lot better than lee in regular taijutsu. Lee's 5 gates are a double-edged sword and sasuke can counter with level 3 sharingan and level 2 curse seal, which i personally think when amplying the chidori is stronger than lee. Sasuke also has the advantage of ninjutsu, when lee cannot use any. u fail.

[JaySee]

Well, I can see I'm debating with a 12 yr old, so I'll just quit while I'm ahead.

[Terracosmo]

JaySee already won with his team. The rest of you can quit posting because he's absolutely correct.

[Canadian]

JaySee already won with his team. The rest of you can quit posting because he's absolutely correct.

So my post isn't valid, or even more correct?... (check previous page)

Accidental triple post. Yes, I understand... No worries, won't happen again.

[Canadian]

...

Here's the perfect team:

Jiraya - Brute force, vast knowledge and techniques
Neji - Scouting, close combat
Gaara - Defense, long range combat
Ino - Espionage and infiltration

...

All 4 are intelligent and with their combined techniques they can put together destructive attacks and deadly traps.

Can anyone think of a better team under the 1 Jounin + 3 Genin guidelines? I THINK NOT!

(I put "..." between each spot I removed, to shorten the quote)

True, this team is very powerful. Also true, this team is well made. Although, we have to think within the world of Naruto, if we are actually going to use Naruto characters.

I will start from the first listed character and end with the last.

Jiraya is a brute force, although, he comes with his own downsides. In battle, or in very serious situations, he may prevail without any "adult" misbehaviour. Otherwise, he will sidetrack as soon as possible at any time to, shall we say "get busy 'n hammered"? With the team knowing he is prone to doing such things, his status as leader would be diminished in the eyes of Gaara, Neji, and Ino (he would be harder to trust, listen to, take orders from, etc.) To sum Jiraya up: On the spot, he is one of the greatest ninjas; Unfortunately, to say he is well rounded would be a dangerous falsity.

Neji is a definite contributing factor to any team. His sight ability is very important, he can listen to orders (or give them if he needs to), he is adept in hand-to-hand combat, and he has techniques unique to his own clan.

Gaara is probably required in any team. His weaknesses are outweighed by his strengths one million fold.

Ino is an iffy member for the team. Infiltration is her definite strength, but this only takes the team so far. When she tries to take over strong-minded characters, she generally fails (or has very little time). Her mind control technique is also time-consuming (to activate) and is often inaccurate (and unreliable), and has extreme reprocutions if failed. I don't exactly know what to say about Ino, but in my oppinion, she is not adept in her field (and is still learning).

Accidental triple post. Yes, I understand... No worries, won't happen again.

[Canadian]

P.S. Canadian, i wont bother challenging ur team with much detail. Not only is Jiraya smarter than kakashi, but he is a much better fighter and team member. In regular taijutsu, sasuke is already at lee's level, and he achieved what lee took years in only 1 month. Give him another month and he can get a lot better than lee in regular taijutsu. Lee's 5 gates are a double-edged sword and sasuke can counter with level 3 sharingan and level 2 curse seal, which i personally think when amplying the chidori is stronger than lee. Sasuke also has the advantage of ninjutsu, when lee cannot use any. u fail.

You can't exactly use Sasuke in a team... for obvious reasons!

When putting a team together, you should think about the availability of every character, how well each character can contribute, listen and interact, and where each team member's allegiance lies.

Accidental triple post. Yes, I understand... No worries, won't happen again.

[Yukimura]

Canadian makes a good point, the state of the show presents an interesting oppourtunity, since almost no development has occured since the fillers started (5-25-2005 just to drive the knife a little deeper) we can inmagine this perfect team recieving some mission right after the end of the real story. Thus Garaa could conceivably be on a team with Leaf ninja, but Sasuke has renounced pretty much all teamwork related stuff at this point, so he shouldn't be included in anyone's perfect team.

[bxgreatone87]

here is my 2cents.

jiraya: for obvious reason one he is a sanin, two he has great offensive and defensive techniques,three he can detect genjutsu and good with cursed seals and what not.He is pretty much a perfect all around ninja.

neji: Byakugan will be really good for seeing traps and the enemy from a far distance so team can ambush also the team cant be cought from behind with him being able to see behind. Also a very good taijutsu user leaving anyone he fights in close combat to be useless.

sasuke: pretty obivious very powerful genin with lvl 3 sharingan and lvl 2 curse mark. not many gonna match up to the force he has. Also able to copy taijutsu and ninjutsu others use. Can spot genjutsu also and able to fight without using much chakra cause of lvl 3 sharingan capablity to read movements.

naruto: Yes naruto i know he is loud annoying and clumsy at time. The thing is he has more potential then anyone else. When things get tough naruto reaches new lvls as we have seen many times already. A infinite amount of chakra at his disposal and a good thinker in battle. Allways thinking ahead in battle. Also the enemy thinks of him as weak and underestimates him majority of the time so he is a trump card.

I disagree with the choice of Ino for a simple reason, her jutsu is to easy to doge and is only useful if the enemy is cought off guard or bound. she is also a weak fighter. Yes garra is great but we got two members in this group with great defense (jiraya, neji), one who can avoid and dodge attacks (sasuke), and one who isnt harmed by ninjutsu when in kyubi mode (naruto). the force this group has is almost unstoppable no group can beat this.

[JaySee]

(I put "..." between each spot I removed, to shorten the quote)

True, this team is very powerful. Also true, this team is well made. Although, we have to think within the world of Naruto, if we are actually going to use Naruto characters.

I will start from the first listed character and end with the last.

Jiraya is a brute force, although, he comes with his own downsides. In battle, or in very serious situations, he may prevail without any "adult" misbehaviour. Otherwise, he will sidetrack as soon as possible at any time to, shall we say "get busy 'n hammered"? With the team knowing he is prone to doing such things, his status as leader would be diminished in the eyes of Gaara, Neji, and Ino (he would be harder to trust, listen to, take orders from, etc.) To sum Jiraya up: On the spot, he is one of the greatest ninjas; Unfortunately, to say he is well rounded would be a dangerous falsity.

Neji is a definite contributing factor to any team. His sight ability is very important, he can listen to orders (or give them if he needs to), he is adept in hand-to-hand combat, and he has techniques unique to his own clan.

Gaara is probably required in any team. His weaknesses are outweighed by his strengths one million fold.

Ino is an iffy member for the team. Infiltration is her definite strength, but this only takes the team so far. When she tries to take over strong-minded characters, she generally fails (or has very little time). Her mind control technique is also time-consuming (to activate) and is often inaccurate (and unreliable), and has extreme reprocutions if failed. I don't exactly know what to say about Ino, but in my oppinion, she is not adept in her field (and is still learning).


Wow! Good reply. My team is good overall for most missions, but of course there are other teams that would be better in certain situations. I just think that this team would be the best overall for all types of missions. Of course the beauty is that you would actually make different teams for different situations.

Anyways, Jiraya is all business when it gets hairy. Sure, the three Genin will look down on him during off-time, but when the heat comes he delivers. Ino definitely is the weakest link and wildcard, but it's more than made by the other teammates. Hopefully Jiraya would help her strengthen her techniques without molesting her too much. :p

[JaySee]

I disagree with the choice of Ino for a simple reason, her jutsu is to easy to doge and is only useful if the enemy is cought off guard or bound. she is also a weak fighter. Yes garra is great but we got two members in this group with great defense (jiraya, neji), one who can avoid and dodge attacks (sasuke), and one who isnt harmed by ninjutsu when in kyubi mode (naruto). the force this group has is almost unstoppable no group can beat this.

Not all missions are about fighting, especially for ninja. A true ninja (not quite in the Naruto world) wants to sneak in, do the mission and get the heck out of there without detection. That's where Ino fits in. In actuallity, Ino is the truest sense of a Ninja in Naruto.

[Terracosmo]

Fucking stop double and triple posting, guys.

[Mizuchi]

here is my 2cents.

jiraya: for obvious reason one he is a sanin, two he has great offensive and defensive techniques,three he can detect genjutsu and good with cursed seals and what not.He is pretty much a perfect all around ninja.

neji: Byakugan will be really good for seeing traps and the enemy from a far distance so team can ambush also the team cant be cought from behind with him being able to see behind. Also a very good taijutsu user leaving anyone he fights in close combat to be useless.

sasuke: pretty obivious very powerful genin with lvl 3 sharingan and lvl 2 curse mark. not many gonna match up to the force he has. Also able to copy taijutsu and ninjutsu others use. Can spot genjutsu also and able to fight without using much chakra cause of lvl 3 sharingan capablity to read movements.

naruto: Yes naruto i know he is loud annoying and clumsy at time. The thing is he has more potential then anyone else. When things get tough naruto reaches new lvls as we have seen many times already. A infinite amount of chakra at his disposal and a good thinker in battle. Allways thinking ahead in battle. Also the enemy thinks of him as weak and underestimates him majority of the time so he is a trump card.

I disagree with the choice of Ino for a simple reason, her jutsu is to easy to doge and is only useful if the enemy is cought off guard or bound. she is also a weak fighter. Yes garra is great but we got two members in this group with great defense (jiraya, neji), one who can avoid and dodge attacks (sasuke), and one who isnt harmed by ninjutsu when in kyubi mode (naruto). the force this group has is almost unstoppable no group can beat this.


i agree. jiraya sasuke naruto neji ftw.

[bxgreatone87]

Not all missions are about fighting, especially for ninja. A true ninja (not quite in the Naruto world) wants to sneak in, do the mission and get the heck out of there without detection. That's where Ino fits in. In actuallity, Ino is the truest sense of a Ninja in Naruto.


yeah i completely agree with you but like you said in the naruto world none of it really goes by the truest sense of a ninja. Ninja are stealth and thats barely shown here lol.

[Canadian]

i agree. jiraya sasuke naruto neji ftw.

Sasuke = a definite no. Like I said earlier, the "perfect" team should consist of characters that are available, team players, and are allied to the characters they are on the team with. You can't expect two enemies to act as a team with each other. You cannot selectively ignore certain aspects to build your perfect team; take everything into consideration, otherwise, your team is not "perfect"!

Just something extra... A team can be perfect in one situation, but not another. The "perfect" team is the team that can take on the widest range of tasks with success. This is the basis of my following comments.

I have already commented on Sasuke, so I will move on to Naruto.

Naruto is the luck factor. He is based on chance. His inconsistencies make him a majorly flawed member for any team. As you see him in the story, he always comes out alive (and with some sort of success) because he is the main character (and he has the his special Nine-Tailed Fox powers). Still thinking within the world of Naruto, Naruto would hold back the rest of the team at times, put them in dangerous positions, and screw up even the most simple of tasks. Naruto can be a brute force, but when it comes to whit and consistency... he's nothing.

I don't even need to comment about Neji. He is a well-rounded Ninja, and there is nothing to argue about here.

Jiraya has similarities to Naruto with his inconsitencies. He will side-track as soon as possible, take long routes just to pick up a hooker or two (yes, that's what he's doing...), and is often unavailable (this team would be hard to assemble, and keep together after a mission, with Jiraya). Although Jiraya is one of the top choices, I still think he isn't a great leader.

Anyways, what I mainly wanted to say was you SHOULD NOT use Sasuke in a team, and you should think about a team in many different situations. Direct team vs. team combat isn't something that a good team of Ninjas should put themselves into.

[Mizuchi]

1. since when is sasuke an enemy of naruto and sons? He is only going to orochimaru to gain power, he doesnt hate naruto. He tried to kill him to gain the power of mangekyuo, but he didnt kill him when he got the chance because he couldnt kill his friend.

2. Naruto luck factor? when naruto gets serious he is a very powerful weapon. And so far in every real episode, naruto comes through and saves the team. And he doesnt always put them in danger.

3. Neji > u.

4. When jiraya is serious, he wont get sidetracked. If they are on a chase to get someone, hes not going to stop for hookers. And he wont call timeout in a battle to go play around. When he gets serious, hes as good fighter and leader as they get. He was even willing to kill one of his best friends if she helped an enemy of konoha.

[Canadian]

1. since when is sasuke an enemy of naruto and sons? He is only going to orochimaru to gain power, he doesnt hate naruto. He tried to kill him to gain the power of mangekyuo, but he didnt kill him when he got the chance because he couldnt kill his friend.

2. Naruto luck factor? when naruto gets serious he is a very powerful weapon. And so far in every real episode, naruto comes through and saves the team. And he doesnt always put them in danger.


The first two comments I disagree with. I will disregard your second comment. And your fourth comment is extremely valid, and I'd say you are correct (although, you should read what I pointed out earlier).

Read this, and read it carefully: To create a perfect team, you should think about the following:

1. How will this team assemble; this isn't as important of a factor, but to an extent, you should think about this.
2. Is every team member allied to each other. (The answer should be yes).
3. Will every team member work well together, under most situations.
4. Are there any team members that will refuse to join a team/work with or as a team.
5. Will every member of the team be consistent in what they do. Will they consistently screw things up on unpredictable occasions?
6. How does the team interact?
7. Under ANY situation (this doesn't necissarily mean fighting), will this team succeed?

These are just a few questions you can ask yourself about a team. This is why Sasuke cannot be put in a perfect team. This is also why Naruto shouldn't be put in a perfect team.

[Mizuchi]

why and why? neji isnt a problem. If ordered to, he will cooperate with any members. Sasuke and naruto actually work quite well together. In tactics and in combat (refer back to wave country arc, first battle v. zabuza). And if kyuubi unleashed, can become an unstoppable taijutsu/ninjutsu force. Jiraya will make the planning, the other two will cooperate. And you keep refering back to naruto not being consistent. Once someone he loves is put in danger, he is more serious and consistant than anyone.

[bxgreatone87]

ok if these rules keep coming from no where then how bout garra. He isnt gonna be part of any team sent out by konoha. there not gonna ask the sand "hey can i borrow one of ure members to be apart of one of my teams". If anything he comes with his team. Thats my opinion on this manner.

Any way this wasnt apart of the rules set by the authur of this thread he even choose sasuke in his first post lol.

[Yukimura]

LOL, this is turning into a nice little flame war, and the mods might step in if you two take it much further.

@bxgreatone87 doesn't it make sense to take into account charachter growth? And did you not watch the Sasuke chase arc? Who came to the aid of the team when their backs were against the wall?

@Mizuchi you're arguing that a guy who left the village and only cares about gaining power for himself would be a good team player...how do you justify that? He might have worked well in the past, but like I said a perfect team should be drawn from the states the charachters were in at the end of the original storyline. And Sasuke was not in any kind of team building state at that point.

Also your use of Naruto is pretty much as a wrecking ball, most missions aren't all about going and destroying everything in site, other potential team members have similar destructive ability while also bringing non combat skills to the team. What are Naruto's non-combat skills at this point? If the mission was to not engage the enemyand do X what could Naruto bring to the table to outweigh his clumsiness and lack of strategic thinking?

Note Naruto almost all of Naruto's displayed intelligence is tactical, he is good at getting things done in a battle, but not at avoiding battles or planning beyond them.

[6Zabuza9]

kakashi for jounin
Shikamaru
Neji
Temari
i think usually the team consists of 1 girl

[Canadian]

why and why? neji isnt a problem. If ordered to, he will cooperate with any members. Sasuke and naruto actually work quite well together. In tactics and in combat (refer back to wave country arc, first battle v. zabuza). And if kyuubi unleashed, can become an unstoppable taijutsu/ninjutsu force. Jiraya will make the planning, the other two will cooperate. And you keep refering back to naruto not being consistent. Once someone he loves is put in danger, he is more serious and consistant than anyone.

@Comment about Neji: I disagreed with his comment about Neji because he was bashing me. Quoting him: "neji > u"; I take that as being rude. I disregarded it. (and please, I don't want another moderator messaging me telling me that rudeness isn't against the rules... I know that!)

As for Sasuke and Naruto, you shouldn't be referring into the past. The perfect team should be up-to-date.

You yourself just further proved my argument; Naruto IS quite inconsistent. "And if kyuubi unleashed, (he) can become an unstoppable taijutsu/ninjutsu force.": This comment proves Naruto is inconsistent. This ability has its own ups and downs; it puts a tremendous strain on Naruto.

"Once someone he loves is put in danger, he is more serious and consistant than anyone"; I would also like to disagree on this. Firstly, Naruto is often ignorant, and is very inconsistent. With the power of the Kyuubi, he is even more unpredictable; he doesn't exactly control the "red chakra"... it kinda moves on its own (when he drenches himself in the power of the Kyuubi). There are some limits on using the Fox's powers, and you can't expect consistency from Naruto in any situation... he is not part of a perfect team. When using the power of the Kyuubi, he isn't exactly a team-player (he's more of a dominant and... just doesn't quite work well); he needs more time to practice and learn to use it (and actually be able to use it physically). Providing examples, he can fight well in certain situations while using the power... but this is still INCONSISTENT! He won't always fight like this.

Like I said earlier, it's not about all-out fighting. They don't even need the Kyuubi. A ninja is meant to get a job done and without flaw. Do you really think Naruto is capable of flawless battle? Of flawless tactic, flawlessly taking orders... keeping quiet? etc... Naruto + Sasuke = just won't mix... not to mention, either one won't work in a team even separately.

Refer to Yukimura's (sry about the typo, lol) comments about Gaara, Sasuke, and Naruto for further argument (I fully agree with what he said).

(sry about any grammatical errors, I posted this at 12:48 AM coz I was still on the computer... :-P)

[JaySee]

I'd suggest not even bothering to argue with Mizuchi.

Anyways, on Gaara. He would do fine on a team with Konoha. It's been shown that he is a great team player and feels indebted and has great respect for Konoha and it's Ninja for waking him up from his insanity and freeing his village from Orochimaru.

[Mizuchi]

canadian: stop refering to naruto being inconsistant. Its annoying when you dont back yourself up with facts about recent things in the series (not counting der fillers). Also, back before the chuunin finals, jiraya attempted to teach naruto to control the rojo chakra, and he kind of did (naruto now learns to call upon it whenever he is in danger or sumone he loves is in danger which will come often in tough missions. ) Also, gaara is now allied with the leaf and will join them on highrank missions. Also, if you havent noticed, gran gran tsu sumtimes chooses ppl who suit the requirements for a mission. Naruto can be put in combat-type missions. Also, when the village is under attack by the sand/sound, naruto will be able to defend the village and save lives, which i think is more important than finding buried treasure (excuse my reference towards fillar arcs).

[Canadian]

canadian: stop refering to naruto being inconsistant. Its annoying when you dont back yourself up with facts about recent things in the series (not counting der fillers). Also, back before the chuunin finals, jiraya attempted to teach naruto to control the rojo chakra, and he kind of did (naruto now learns to call upon it whenever he is in danger or sumone he loves is in danger which will come often in tough missions. ) Also, gaara is now allied with the leaf and will join them on highrank missions. Also, if you havent noticed, gran gran tsu sumtimes chooses ppl who suit the requirements for a mission. Naruto can be put in combat-type missions. Also, when the village is under attack by the sand/sound, naruto will be able to defend the village and save lives, which i think is more important than finding buried treasure (excuse my reference towards fillar arcs).

I don't back myself up with facts about recent things in the series because I don't want to break the rule of "NO SPOILERS" in this section of the forum. Maybe this thread should be moved to the "Naruto Open Discussion" section of the forum, so people can speak more freely about different parts of Naruto. (Spoilers include reference to the most recent Naruto Anime, right? Or is that reference to Naruto manga which is further ahead?... Am I allowed to refer to any of the Naruto Anime that has already come out?)

Anyways, I will gather up a list of episode titles and give specifics, since you are "annoyed". Hard evidence is a little harder to deny.

[Yukimura]

You can talk about anything in the anime episodes once they've been released, nothing about the events of the manga should be discussed or mentioned in this topic, that would be considered spoiling.

As to the hard evidence you plan to bring to Mizuchi...don't bother, if you read his post you should be able to see he's not processing all this at a very high level (which might not be so bad) clues like 'rojo chakra' 'der fillers' and 'gran gran tsu' suggest that 1) english isn't his first language and/or 2) he's not that bright/old.

And Mizuchi, I like ramming myhead against brick walls at 4AM so i'm going to tear up your posts arguments for fun, don't take it personally or think i'm trying to make you understand anything.

I think what Canadian was refering to as inconsistancy is evidenced by Naruto's general lack of forethought in any non tactical situation. Go back to the Wave country arc, on the bridge no one suspects Naruto is coming, Sasuke is trapped by Haku's jutsu and Kakashi is tied up with Zabuza. What does Naruto do? Make a flashy entrance, and then proseed to run into the same trap that Sasuke was in, completely wasting the element of surprise.

Another example much more recent, as the Chunnin Exam's and Tsunade Retrieval didn't really involve any missions, was the beginning of the Sasuke chase arc. As soon as it was time to leave Naruto wanted to just run off headlong into the forest without any strategy or plan for keeping himself or his teamates alive. All he though about was Sasuke. Naruto is extremely narrow-minded, which is what makes him a decent fighter, but a poor team member. He cares about his teamates lives but generally tries to take on every obstacle himself, often to the detriment of the teams goal.

As for the 'rojo chakra', having a skill that you can't consciously control is not a plus on a dynamic playing field. Imagine playing chess with a piece whose abilities randomly changed. How could you plan an effective stragegy if you didn't know the abilities of your own forces. Despite what you may think, Naruto never demonstrated the ability to will the Kyubii chakra into him without some dire circumstance and a lack of access to his own natural chakra present. Having to get angry, and thus irrational to achieve you potential is just inefficient when working with others to achieve a goal

The last part of Mizuchi's post gives the impression that sounds like it's defending Naruto as a ninja, listing situations where his skillset would be well suited. I agree that Naruto would be good at town defense as his only goal would be to stop the invaders and he wouldn't have to do any strategic thinking. However this thread is about forming a team to complete missions and none of Naruto's strong points would be compliment another teamate. He thinks on the fly and generally doesn't include others in planning his attacks. The famous shadow-shuriken-clone-kunai attack being the only noteworthy exception I can think of, as it required Sasuke's participation. Naruto's strengths come from his ability to take large amounts of damage, giving him time to think of a plan and his unorthodox plans, which generally achieve the goal of taking out his opponent because the show is named after him. If you ever wondered why Naruto is in so many 1v1 fights, it's because it makes him look good as a heroic main charachter when he gets knocked around a lot, says tough guy stuff, and then discovers either a new strength in himself or some weakness in his enemy and then manages to defeat him.

My overall point is this, Naruto is a main charachter, and main charachters in titles like this are generally loners who have lots of talent but aren't very team oriented....wait I don't need to make a point, i've addressed all of the statements made that I feel are incorrect or not relevant to the discussion. This has been a wonderful half hour for me and I hope at least some people are enjoying reading these little battles. Sorry this shit was so long, but I was bored...

[CapsuleCorpJX]

My only concern is that Naruto doesn't really work well with others, and would fairly adequately muck up Shikamaru's plans. Also, a flaw for Shikamaru is that he may or may not be willing to actually come up with tactics, since he tends to let others take over, and only acts when he has no other choice. Regardless of teammates, Naruto will always try to take command, thus Shikamaru may not get the chance.

I do see the advantages of having him in the group, with a more useful variety of jutsus. Part of his usefulness comes only from the dreaded "in a tight spot" (frog boss). This is another thing to try and avoid, as it massively unbalances any characters performance. Remember, we want to find a team to handle all their missions well, which includes everything in the range of picking trash out of a river to eliminating an enemy from another village.

And, as I've said, my team is far from perfect, I realize. =P

Naruto worked fine with Shikamaru during the Sasuke retrieval arc.

But anyway, my team would be a "paralysis" team.

Shikamaru
Ino
Neji

Shikamaru for tactics and shadow binding opponents.
Ino for Mind Controlling and neutralizing whoever they scout to be the strongest opponent in the opposing group.
Neji to finish the job by shutting down all the enemy Chakra points.

As for the Jounin, I guess it would be Kakashi for the Sharinan. He can play mind tricks on the enemy and cause paralysis that way.

[Mizuchi]

capsule: id like to say nice work, that team does sound pretty powerful. although i think i see a flaw. What if there was a large amount of enemies? Im sure neji can take them, because he has very good offense/defense, but he doesnt exactly have an arsenal of jutsu to defend teamates. Kakashi could, but lets say there was atleast 1 jounin, he would take kakashi's attention while the genin/whatever-rank-they-may-be would have a perfect opportunity to attack ino/shika seeing how they arent very taijutsu-skilled.

Yukimura/Rival teams: I do remember naruto's entrance to demon ice mirrors, but naruto did make up for it in the shadow-shuriken technique. Although it did take sasuke's participation, it was naruto's plan and he couldve used any strong ninja who can use large projectiles to participate instead. But the main thing I want to say is I think (not sure) that almost a year has gone by in the naruto series since that moment? idk if it was almost a year but I do know that over the time, naruto has developed a lot. You hear kakashi/jiraya say it all the time.

When naruto rushed off to find sasuke before the team even left, that was because he very eager to get sasuke, and he wasnt exactly in the serious mood. When he is in the right mood and has somebody who he respects giving orders, he will follow them. He might not be the best team player, but he can be the team's trump card. The saying goes, "Never show your trump card until the end" right? Well the end is usually when naruto gets angry, and will be forced to reveal his trump card no sooner. And yes, i believe every team should have a trump card. Am I wrong?


P.S. Yukimura: As you were bored so you wrote that long comment, I too was bored so I changed around some words i.e. "rojo (red)" and "der (the)". :)

[Canadian]

capsule: id like to say nice work, that team does sound pretty powerful. although i think i see a flaw. What if there was a large amount of enemies?


Just a thought (to anyone, really): Maybe people should create their perfect team and tell us what the team's specialty would be (like, they would be called as a team to do specific missions). So people could create a specific "perfect" team, or a general "perfect" team (general being the "perfect" team for taking on the widest range of missions).

Still, I'd have to say... if there were a large amount of enemies, in the world of Naruto, those enemies are generally not so strong. If there were say, three strong enemies, I can see his "paralysis" team working well... or against a large group of not-so-strong enemies.

My idea of the "perfect" team in general is:

Kakashi
Garaa
Lee
Neji

My idea of a "brute force" team would be:

Jiraiya
Gaara
Naruto
Neji

[Mizuchi]

Still, I'd have to say... if there were a large amount of enemies, in the world of Naruto, those enemies are generally not so strong. If there were say, three strong enemies, I can see his "paralysis" team working well... or against a large group of not-so-strong enemies.

My idea of the "perfect" team in general is:

Kakashi
Garaa
Lee
Neji

My idea of a "brute force" team would be:

Jiraiya
Gaara
Naruto
Neji


capsule's team wouldnt work even against a bunch of not-so-strong enemies if there was atleast 1 kakashi-level nin in the group. Ino and shika cant handle even lowest genin in taijutsu. Their specialties are mind tricks, not fighting. Neji cant defend them and himself at the same time.

[Canadian]

capsule's team wouldnt work even against a bunch of not-so-strong enemies if there was atleast 1 kakashi-level nin in the group. Ino and shika cant handle even lowest genin in taijutsu. Their specialties are mind tricks, not fighting. Neji cant defend them and himself at the same time.

Do you have to argue against everything? I mean, even if it's more right than what you have to say, you still have to argue?

Anyways, I'm not going to get into this "perfect" team stuff anymore. Like it was said before, this could easily turn into a flame war.

[CapsuleCorpJX]

capsule's team wouldnt work even against a bunch of not-so-strong enemies if there was atleast 1 kakashi-level nin in the group. Ino and shika cant handle even lowest genin in taijutsu. Their specialties are mind tricks, not fighting. Neji cant defend them and himself at the same time.

Huh?

Ino and Shika can handle most genins. In fact their special abilities are the most powerful in the storyline for ninjas in their class.

Ino can basically take your monster hitters like Gaara or Naruto or Sasuke just by mind controlling them. This is all theory, it goes on the assumption that she can successfully hold a mind controll for a reasonable amount of time on an opponent even with several times her chakra.

Shika, using his divserionary tactics can get the rest of the opponents in a shadow bind, stripping them of their defenses and mobility, allowing Neji to finish them off by shutting down all their chakra flow.

As a saying, restricting mobility is 80% of victory.

Kakashi, my jounin in the group will handle the other jounin. I doubt any of the gennins' tricks will work on a jounin class ninja, as they will probably just use brute force to get out of it.

[Canadian]

Wow... my rep has been completely destroyed by ridiculous "rep" comments... (Anyone want a screenshot?...)

[masamuneehs]

time for a "infiltration team". Obviously i'm just grabbing people at random and assuming they'd work together to get the job done, since this team's chemistry would be the absolute pits if they ever got together.

Leader: Orochimaru
Shino
Ino
Shikamaru

obivously this team would need significant back-up if ever discovered, but with Shino's scouting, Ino's ability to take over enemies and Shikamaru's super smarts (and ability to paralyze, buying valuable time) they should be fine. Besides, Orochimaru would be able to handle alot of enemies on his own...


Wow... my rep has been completely destroyed by ridiculous "rep" comments... (Anyone want a screenshot?...)

no.

and such posts whining about rep hits really are off-topic, not to mention annoying.

[Canadian]

time for a "infiltration team". Obviously i'm just grabbing people at random and assuming they'd work together to get the job done, since this team's chemistry would be the absolute pits if they ever got together.

Leader: Orochimaru
Shino
Ino
Shikamaru

obivously this team would need significant back-up if ever discovered, but with Shino's scouting, Ino's ability to take over enemies and Shikamaru's super smarts (and ability to paralyze, buying valuable time) they should be fine. Besides, Orochimaru would be able to handle alot of enemies on his own...



no.

and such posts whining about rep hits really are off-topic, not to mention annoying.

Firstly, it was some-what on topic to this discussion. My rep has dropped BECAUSE of this discussion. People disagree with me on certain points, and bash me for them, just because they disagree (of course, I've done my share of bashing... but I prefer not to bash peoples' nationality, or anything along those lines); Not to mention the comments left are not relevent to why they are actually bashing me. (Btw, I'm not sure if it was you... but I was left a negative comment saying "I want a screenshot"... whoever that was, I can give that to them if they actually give me their name... -_-) There was another comment that said "Stupid arguments should be in private messages"; this comment was to do with the argument about what team is best. That is the entire point of this thread... so it should stay in this thread, not in private messages! The most annoying one (I hope it wasn't you Mizuchi... although, I'd like to know if it was you) was a comment about me being stupid, and Canada "sucking".

Anyways, out of that... Your team with Orochimaru is flawed. Orochimaru does not take orders for missions, he gives orders to other to do missions for him. He could kill Shino, Ino, and Shikamaru in an instant... they would only be holding him back. Orochimaru knows so many Ninja techniques, is already well-hidden... and would never work with them (you did mention this). There is no way Orochimaru would be teamed up with them; and even if he were, all the team would need is Orochimaru, and the other three to do nothing. >_<;

[Mizuchi]

Do you have to argue against everything? I mean, even if it's more right than what you have to say, you still have to argue?

You argue as much as I do.


Anyways, I'm not going to get into this "perfect" team stuff anymore. Like it was said before, this could easily turn into a flame war.

Must you ruin my fun? And the only one flaming here is you, all the rest are in it for good fun.



@Masa

You can't use evil people in your team silly. I mean you can use exceptions such as sasuke or gaara or kankurou but not flat out nut cases. Alteast I think you cant? If you can that ruins the fun.


@capsule

If you are referring to the monster-hitters such as the leader jounin, Ino cant control them yet, they are on a far higher level. Atleast I would assume she can't, otherwise she could just beat oro in a few seconds. Shika cant take ALL of the opponents with shadow bind. They are ninja after all, they would attack from different positions. Ino could take one of them out, sure, but that would leave her body defenseless.

[Alter_Ego]

I am gonna stay away from the flames and make a team

Jounin Gai for the smile and comic relief :D

Gaara
Naruto
Sasuke
:cool:

[Canadian]

I am gonna stay away from the flames and make a team

Jounin Gai for the smile and comic relief :D

Gaara
Naruto
Sasuke
:cool:


You jumped right into them, my friend, :p

Your team is pretty much what we've been arguing about (for the most part). It's Sasuke and Naruto that have been a very debatable topic for usable on a "perfect" team.

Anyways, I'm not going to go around in circles. I've already voiced my oppinion.

[Alter_Ego]

I know I really didnt put much effort into that as u could see but I read a couple pages back and it seems that no people have used my combo so I just put it out there

Any 1 know if the sound 4 are considered genins

[Canadian]

I know I really didnt put much effort into that as u could see but I read a couple pages back and it seems that no people have used my combo so I just put it out there

Any 1 know if the sound 4 are considered genins

I would consider them to be Jounin.

[Mizuchi]

y do u need gaara? I mean i know hes a very good team player, but look. Gai easily broke his sand, so at his level its not very powerful. Especially since weights-off lee could out-run gaara's sand, and kyuubi naruto and level 2 curse seal sasuke is a little faster than weights off lee. Also hes not big on taijutsu so once his sand is done then he cant really help the team much.

Jiraya
naruto
sasuke
neji

i still stand with. +)

[Yukimura]

You have no basis to say that Naruto or Sasuke are faster than Lee. Sasuke never even ran while in level 2 mode IIRC, he flew at Naruto with his sketchy wing. Lee's speed came at a heavy price to him, and wasn't sustainable for long periods of time. Garaa's sand was broken by Gai, so during the Chunnin Exam he couldn't beat a Jounin after having his ass kicked and using most of his chakra. He's grown since then, and who knows what that sand could do to an unaware opponent.

[Mizuchi]

@yukimura

i was talking about weights-off lee. Remember at the chuunin finals, lee said that sasuke obtained his weights-off speed in only a month? Also, even if lee's 5 gates are stronger than 1-tailed naruto or level 2 sasuke (which i dont think it is, but i dont really have evidance, im just saying off personal opinion after watching), lees gates come at a terrible cost and will leave him defenseless afterwords for long periods of time, while kyuubi naruto heals fast (naturally) and I dont think level 2 sasuke takes long to recover (he was fine after the battle). Yes ill admit gaara is a powerful ally, but there isnt really a need for him here. Jiraya has fine defense, and naruto/sasuke have a very powerful offense and stamina. And neji is needed for scouting so there isnt really any room or need left for gaara.

[Canadian]

@yukimura

i was talking about weights-off lee. Remember at the chuunin finals, lee said that sasuke obtained his weights-off speed in only a month? Also, even if lee's 5 gates are stronger than 1-tailed naruto or level 2 sasuke (which i dont think it is, but i dont really have evidance, im just saying off personal opinion after watching), lees gates come at a terrible cost and will leave him defenseless afterwords for long periods of time, while kyuubi naruto heals fast (naturally) and I dont think level 2 sasuke takes long to recover (he was fine after the battle). Yes ill admit gaara is a powerful ally, but there isnt really a need for him here. Jiraya has fine defense, and naruto/sasuke have a very powerful offense and stamina. And neji is needed for scouting so there isnt really any room or need left for gaara.


I'm coming back into this...

Instead of me pointing out why Sasuke can't be used in a team, could you please point out why you believe he CAN be put in a team? He left his home, friends, and people behind. He has had many mood swings; For example: In the episodes where Naruto was fighting Sasuke, just at the end of the chase with the Sound Four, Sasuke didn't initially intend to kill Naruto. He then later attempted to kill Naruto by smashing his head into the ground from ungodly heights. Later, at the very end of their fight, Sasuke staggered off and decided not to kill Naruto. Sasuke has decided he is an avenger, and at any cost; he chose to give himself to the enemy of Konoha... that's called switching sides.
(btw, sorry if this came across harshly, I'm not intending to flame anyone)

As for Naruto... if Gaara were to just, say, use Desert Coffin instantly... wouldn't he kill his opponent much more quickly, without a fight? :D

[Mizuchi]

At the valley where naruto and sasuke faught, sasuke had the perfect opportunity to kill naruto, yet he didnt. That shows he is still affectionate towards his konoha teamate. Yes, he is an avenger at any cost, but he doesn't want to fight konoha. That is just a side effect of going to oro to gain power. He doesn't like oro, he just wants power at any cost. If that power was given to him, he would not leave konoha. So he did not make himself an enemy of konoha, konoha made themselves enemy to sasuke. Sasuke doesnt know that oro wants to take over his body, he just thinks he is going to get trained. Get another sannin or a nin of sannin level, catch sasuke, train him stronger than oro would, and you have urself a konoha uchiha.


P.S. Not unless gaara uses the Desert Funeral follow-through. And not if the ninja could dodge the sand or overall outstrength it.

[Canadian]

At the valley where naruto and sasuke faught, sasuke had the perfect opportunity to kill naruto, yet he didnt. That shows he is still affectionate towards his konoha teamate. Yes, he is an avenger at any cost, but he doesn't want to fight konoha. That is just a side effect of going to oro to gain power. He doesn't like oro, he just wants power at any cost. If that power was given to him, he would not leave konoha. So he did not make himself an enemy of konoha, konoha made themselves enemy to sasuke. Sasuke doesnt know that oro wants to take over his body, he just thinks he is going to get trained. Get another sannin or a nin of sannin level, catch sasuke, train him stronger than oro would, and you have urself a konoha uchiha.


P.S. Not unless gaara uses the Desert Funeral follow-through. And not if the ninja could dodge the sand or overall outstrength it.

Well, at the valley (as I already told you), Sasuke had the perfect chance to kill Naruto; he tried at one point. He later decided not to (after he actually tried). In addition, a quote from Sasuke (not word-for-word), but he said "I will gain power at any cost, even if I must give my body to the devil himself", or something to that effect... I just have to find what episode that was from.

Anyways, Sasuke is already in the hands of Oro. Even a team with a Sannin couldn't find Sasuke or Oro. To assemble such a team is impossible. Not only this, but Sasuke would not come back until he kills Itachi; until he feels he is powerful enough, he will continue to try to gain power... then his only goal will be to seek out and destroy Itachi. It would be impossible to assemble him into a team. If your team is a "future team", Naruto and the others would probably become Jounin by then.

[Mizuchi]

Team with sannin? You mean sakura, naruto, jiraya? I believe that was a filler, Im not sure though. And that was 1 try. If they had the jounin to spare to search for him, then they might be able to. It's just not exactly on konoha's priority list. And I said that sasuke doesn't hate konoha, so if time stopped and he was asked to do a mission without time going by, or if he was offered another sannin to train him, he would be part of this hypothetical ultimate team. And who said this team HAD to do missions. I thought the point was to make the best team for missions, not actually make them do missions.

It's like in my town for basketball, at the end of each season, a fake team is made out of the best players of each team to make an "allstar team" that doesnt really play, but if it did play it would be the best. I would assume that this "perfect team thread" is the same thing.

[DayoftheDante]

Jiraiya at the lead.
Neji
Gaara
Shikamaru

Between Jiraiya and Shikamaru, you have all the brainpower and experience you'd need for ANY situation, and Neji+Gaara are no slouches either.

You also have 2 absolute defenses at your disposal with Neji and Gaara, plus there is no place for the enemy to hide with Gaara's sand eye and Neji's Byakugan.

Neji and Shikamaru don't mess around, they're team players. Gaara might get a little unstable, but I doubt it.

Worst case scenario: The team passes by a strip club. Jiraiya will be out of commission for a while.

[JaySee]

I'd just like to point out once again: SHIKAMARU IS NOT A GENIN.

[DayoftheDante]

Hey, it's just a matter of time before he gets caught in the act with Temari-and demoted.

[Mizuchi]

Jiraiya at the lead.
Neji
Gaara
Shikamaru

Between Jiraiya and Shikamaru, you have all the brainpower and experience you'd need for ANY situation, and Neji+Gaara are no slouches either.

You also have 2 absolute defenses at your disposal with Neji and Gaara, plus there is no place for the enemy to hide with Gaara's sand eye and Neji's Byakugan.

Neji and Shikamaru don't mess around, they're team players. Gaara might get a little unstable, but I doubt it.

Worst case scenario: The team passes by a strip club. Jiraiya will be out of commission for a while.

I like your thinking, but if there are multiple opponents, then it wont be good for shikamaru is not very skilled in taijutsu. But then again he could use shadow bind and wait for help from a teamate. But I don't want to argue against this team for 1: its good and 2: shikamaru isnt a genin so u fail anyway :D



Jiraya
Neji
Naruto
Sasuke

ftw

[Alter_Ego]

^ I like that team except I would replace Sasuke with Gaara and maybe Jiaryia with some 1 else

[Mizuchi]

^ I like that team except I would replace Sasuke with Gaara and maybe Jiaryia with some 1 else

I don't really have the proof to say that sasuke is stronger than gaara, but I do think that if gaara does not go shukaku mode (and I don't think he will since he seems somewhat stable now), then level 2 curse seal sasuke seems to be a bit stronger.

And who could be more badass than serious jiraya?



Hey, it's just a matter of time before he gets caught in the act with Temari-and demoted.

Why would he be demoted for that?

[Canadian]

I still don't understand... how do we get Sasuke in a team? We don't even know where to find him... And he doesn't really want to be found...

[Mizuchi]

*sigh* We've talked about that alread. Go a couple pages back.

[Canadian]

*sigh* We've talked about that alread. Go a couple pages back.

I know we have... I remember what we argued about... What I don't remember is, well, a valid point (or acknowledgement of the points made against you). :-S

I will reread, though, to see if I missed anything.

[EDIT]

Ok, I reread, and its exactly as I remember. We may never come to an agreement, but I will try not to narrow-mindedly argue with you (as well as I won't argue in a fassion deemed to be flaming).

Just getting straight to the point, I will ask you a few questions directly:
- How do we actually find and recruit Sasuke?
- If we manage to find Sasuke, will he actually accept the invitation to the team?
- Sasuke ran away from Konoha, ran away from Naruto, etc. Why will he come back (within reason, realisitically)?

Yes, I've asked these questions before, in one way or another. I am just asking you to directly answer them. I fully realise what I'm doing.

@ Mizuchi... one account is enough to bash me with... -_-
I have a memory, and I do read... I'm trying not to be so negative.

[Mizuchi]

I don't know the exact rules, but I think that this is a fantasy team. If Jiraiya were to train sasuke, why would sasuke refuse? Jiraiya is a sannin too and about equal leveled to oro.

Sasuke didn't run away from konoha, he ran to oro, and konoha viewed it as abandonment of the village, when all sasuke is looking for is power. If we were to find sasuke and tell him that all oro wants is the sharingan, then forcefully bring him home and explain to him what oro wants, then give him a sannin to train him, I think he would be part of the team. And if we gave him really high level missions so he would be challenged, he would stay with the team.




@ Mizuchi... one account is enough to bash me with... -_-


I didnt use more than one account..?

[Yukimura]

You guys' argument is stalled on Sasuke's choice, since you don't know what he does or doesn't know or how he would feel in a situation that hasn't arisen in the manga yet you can speculate all you want, but it's pointless and just wastes space on the database. I'd recommend you read the manga and move your argument into the open discussion thread. Then your speculation will have more merit, as you'll know everything there is to know about Sasuke up to the time you make your points.

[samsonlonghair]

The perfect team will always be Konohamaru, Moegi, and Udon.

[Jadugar]

The perfect team will always be Konohamaru, Moegi, and Udon.

You are right because Konohamaru will be the 7th Hokage. It is inevitable. :p

[Mizuchi]

>_< Way to spoil everything jadugar. I wonder what kind of badass ninja udon will be when he goes jounin.

[zibo]

He will calculate his way out ? Super-Math-no-jutsu

[TruthofMistake]

Hmm my choices would be:

My edited team:

Jounin: Kurenai - She seems to have a good command of genjutsu filling the gap left by most of the genin since taijutsu seems to be the most prevelent there.

Genin: Neji - Intelligent, and has the Byakugan making him very useful for scouting. Also very good at Taijutsu

Shino - His bugs techniques are quite powerful and his quite demeanor would probably mean less fighting within the group. He has also proven to rather smart and also has worked under Kurenai before.

Rock Lee - Very powerful Taijutsu and while not the most intelligent, he DOES think. He has also worked with Neji before and I think theyre rivalry would push the team to greater heights.

Overall I think the team would be rather flexible. They should be rather flexible with two taijustu experts and another two members capable of fighting from a distance. Theyre all also moderatly intelligent as well allowing them to adapt to the situation at hand.

[Mizuchi]

For the last time SHIKAMARU IS NOT A GENIN

[TruthofMistake]

No, he's not, but since I saw others using him I decided to as well.

And I edited it just for you guys =P

[Canadian]

No, he's not, but since I saw others using him I decided to as well.

*sigh* Just because other people break the rules doesn't mean everyone should, >_<

But whatever... I just think with a team, there should be an explanation. Anyways, I'm officially gonna shut up in this thread.

[Mizuchi]

Hmm my choices would be:

My edited team:

Jounin: Kurenai - She seems to have a good command of genjutsu filling the gap left by most of the genin since taijutsu seems to be the most prevelent there.

Genin: Neji - Intelligent, and has the Byakugan making him very useful for scouting. Also very good at Taijutsu

Shino - His bugs techniques are quite powerful and his quite demeanor would probably mean less fighting within the group. He has also proven to rather smart and also has worked under Kurenai before.

Rock Lee - Very powerful Taijutsu and while not the most intelligent, he DOES think. He has also worked with Neji before and I think theyre rivalry would push the team to greater heights.

Overall I think the team would be rather flexible. They should be rather flexible with two taijustu experts and another two members capable of fighting from a distance. Theyre all also moderatly intelligent as well allowing them to adapt to the situation at hand.

Your team isn't bad. The only faults I see is that I think sasuke is better than lee, and that a sannin or most jounin would demolish kurenai. Kakashi's got genjutsu in his sharingan arsenal too, not to mention he would demolish her in taijutsu.

[DarthEnderX]

Naruto

Gaara

Kabuto

I win!

[TruthofMistake]

Your team isn't bad. The only faults I see is that I think sasuke is better than lee, and that a sannin or most jounin would demolish kurenai. Kakashi's got genjutsu in his sharingan arsenal too, not to mention he would demolish her in taijutsu.


True, but I was trying to avoid using the main chars. as i figured most of the people before me had included them in their teams. And while its probably safe to assume that yeah Kakashi would destroy Kurenai, we really haven't seen enough of her for that to be completly true. I'm sure she has all sorts of tricks. I was also going for member compatability instead of just "who's the best at what" with the exception of Neji, because not only is he good, he'd probably work well with the rest of them now that hes a bit more humble.

[Mizuchi]

True, but I was trying to avoid using the main chars. as i figured most of the people before me had included them in their teams. And while its probably safe to assume that yeah Kakashi would destroy Kurenai, we really haven't seen enough of her for that to be completly true. I'm sure she has all sorts of tricks. I was also going for member compatability instead of just "who's the best at what" with the exception of Neji, because not only is he good, he'd probably work well with the rest of them now that hes a bit more humble.

Well considering she just recently became a jounin and kakashi's been a jounin for really long and his name is known far and wide and has the sharingan...

But other than that, I like your team cuz u didnt whore the main members like most people.

ftw.

[TruthofMistake]

Not using main chars. is indeed 4tw. I still want Shikamaru though >:(

[Mizuchi]

Not using main chars. is indeed 4tw. I still want Shikamaru though >:(

why? Jounin are usually enough to make the strategies.

[DayoftheDante]

Naruto

Gaara

Kabuto

I win!

Putting aside the damage these 3 would dish out, was your thinking behind this that it'd be next to impossible to kill any of them? (Since 2 are demon containers and one regenerates like mad)

Something else to consider with these teams, is confirmed kills. I know Neji and Chouji have one, since each took out one of the cursed seal users while chasing Sasuke. Anyone else from Konoha I forgot?