Thinking...............

[Dreiko]

Since dead people/things can be summoned why can't sealed things be summoned (eg. kyubi)

[NM]

Orochimaru used a technique that can summon dead people (1st and 2nd Hokage). It was a technique only to bring back people from the dead. Something that is sealed is not considered dead. But its possible that there is a technique to unseal something for awhile and then have it sealed back to wherever it used to be (like summon Kyubi for awhile, then it goes back into Naruto). But the whole point of sealing something into someone is to make sure that it can never come back (unless someone unseals it) or to make sure nobody can ever control it.

[PSJ]

the point of sealing something is various it depends on what you seal. but mostly it would be to prevent something from hurting others or doing any other bad things. but i guess nothing is impossible in the naruto world....so maybe naruto will learn how to summon kyuubi but then he needs to be stronger than kyuubi which wont happen....

[Stoopider]

Yeah. I don't think death is a seal. The spirit or whatever just fly away.. and summon it back into it.

Whereas sealed.. It's locked away and cannot be reached.

[Knives122]

But dont forget that sealed things that are locked away can be unlocked

[Assertn]

normally summons requires a contract with the creature......so in order to summon kyubi, someone would have to make a contract with him......which i doubt would ever happen....

as for summoning the dead (since im sure the hokages didnt give oro permission to summon them from the dead).....thats probably a special case that requires a very complex procedure and lots of research and experiments. Not to mention that a human body to sacrifice might only work for summoning humans from the dead.....you might need another demon fox to summon kyubi i/expressions/face-icon-small-wink.gif

[Dreiko]

All I say is that this may be what akatsuki whant (aren't dead people harder to summon that sealed ones logicaly)

[PSJ]

why would akatsuki want to summon the strongest creature in the world which is impossible to kill?

[kupalmaru]

Kyubi is not the storngest creature in the world. In episode 82 by A/A, Jiraya said Kyubi is one of the mytical creature who contain the ultimate chakra. Jiraya did not said Kyubi is the strongest, he said, "one of the mytical monster".

[PSJ]

ok, ill just refer to my post i just made in the thread named end of naruto or something.

[Kale Ironfist]

Originally posted by: kupalmaru
Kyubi is not the storngest creature in the world. In episode 82 by A/A, Jiraya said Kyubi is one of the mytical creature who contain the ultimate chakra. Jiraya did not said Kyubi is the strongest, he said, "one of the mytical monster".

sure jiraiya said that kyuubi was one of the mystical monsters, but he also said it has the most chakra.
and on a mythological note: it is the strongest of the youma, therefore you have shown to be an idiot for saying that kyuubi is not the strongest creature in existence (cos the youma are demons everyone fears)

[kupalmaru]

Originally posted by: Kale Ironfist


Originally posted by: kupalmaru
Kyubi is not the storngest creature in the world. In episode 82 by A/A, Jiraya said Kyubi is one of the mytical creature who contain the ultimate chakra. Jiraya did not said Kyubi is the strongest, he said, "one of the mytical monster".

sure jiraiya said that kyuubi was one of the mystical monsters, but he also said it has the most chakra.
and on a mythological note: it is the strongest of the youma, therefore you have shown to be an idiot for saying that kyuubi is not the strongest creature in existence (cos the youma are demons everyone fears)

Go to the theory of the ending.

[CapsuleCorpJX]

Ummm...
Because sealed things aren't dead, and they are SEALED. The seal would suck pretty bad if a summon jutsu can break it.

[Assertn]

obviously kyubi can be killed if he says himself that "if naruto dies, he dies as well"

[SideLabel]

Originally posted by: Pervert-Sennin Jiraiya
why would akatsuki want to summon the strongest creature in the world which is impossible to kill?

If it lives it can be killed. And I'd like to point out that the two first Hokages were deceased. The Ninetails is not dead-yet. Also, I believe that a summoning contract is required to summon a living being (i.e the contract Naruto signs to summon frogs) and therefore someone would have to get a contract with desired creature/demon/person to be able to summon them. A dead person can not agree upon a contract, and therefore a contract would not be needed.

Looking at this from a different angle, living beings have some sort of conscience that distinguishes us from other people. I am similar to many other people in terms of personality, looks, condition, etc, but there is no one that is exactly like me. Of course, a dead person does not have this, and it can be argued that that is the *person* and the body is a vessel. Therefore, if someone summoned up dead people they would have to substitue for those souls so that the summoned person is more than an empty shell standing there.

Just some theory for the academics.

[Everon]

if a creature or object cannot be killed or destroyed, sealing is supposedly the next best thing. For example, Sasuke's seal was "sealed" because Kakashi couldn't remove it. The best thing he could do was prevent it from taking over sasuke entirely - and it depends upon sasuke's own will as well. With the Kyuubi, it was sealed away in Naruto's tum tum, so it isn't dead...but then again it does have influence on Naruto -- physical transformation and chakra leakage.

[kuro]

on the topic of akatsuki why do they want kyuubi anyway? it cant be to gain power to overthrow the villages, they could easily do that themselves, so what other reason would make akatsuki want to go after something that could get them killed(talking bout an accidental release of kyuubi and the following rampage...)

[Assertn]

because.....they are after sources of incredible power, as jiraiya mentioned. Evil organizations are always greedy for power, regardless of whether or not the intentions are to overthrow a village.

looks like all of a sudden these summoning topics are resurfacing.....i just wish someone would change this topic name to something a little more informative i/expressions/face-icon-small-wink.gif

[kuro]

i got what jiraiya said but why do they want or need this power for? i know its not so it can look pretty on their clubhouse wall i/expressions/face-icon-small-wink.gif so im thinking theres some reason as to why they want this power and it cant be that their just greedy for power...

[kaigan]

if naruto is able to summon kyubi, then the show will just sux ass because nothing can beat kyubi.

not even itachi. that's right, i said it.

[jing]

Originally posted by: Dreiko
Since dead people/things can be summoned why can't sealed things be summoned (eg. kyubi)

You just answered your own question, because it is sealed.

[Deblas]

lol, thats right

[Eurasian]

yah whatever everyone said. it's sealed, thus nobody can access w/o being someone special.
i don't know if the kyubi is the strongest creature, but it's the strongest youma. i think there was something like 9 of them. yeah, not too sure.

[kupalmaru]

Originally posted by: jing


Originally posted by: Dreiko
Since dead people/things can be summoned why can't sealed things be summoned (eg. kyubi)

You just answered your own question, because it is sealed.

The Fourth Hokage is sealed inside the stomack of the Death God. During the battle between The Third and Oro, Oro summoned three coffin. The first coffin got summon perfectly and the third coffin was prevented by the The Third.

People said that the person on the third coffin is supposed to be The Fourth Hokage. Can you summon a sealed person or the person on the third coffin is not The Forth?

[viciousHyuuga]

Originally posted by: Pervert-Sennin Jiraiya
why would akatsuki want to summon the strongest creature in the world which is impossible to kill?

for an autograph why else...

[Deblas]

Originally posted by: viciousHyuuga


Originally posted by: Pervert-Sennin Jiraiya
why would akatsuki want to summon the strongest creature in the world which is impossible to kill?

for an autograph why else...

I dont know

maybe he wanted a nine tailed fox demon as a pet

or maybe to control the greatest power there is

but im not sure, its just a thought

[viciousHyuuga]

maybe if you eat it you become god. or he has a female fox on season ..... baby demon foxes to be sealed in all the members, then naruto will be FUBAR!

[kupalmaru]

What is a FUBAR

[InnerSakuraChan]

american military anacronym:
F*cked up beyond all recognition

i think he means that that naruto will be obsolete - useless

[jing]

Originally posted by: kupalmaru


Originally posted by: jing


Originally posted by: Dreiko
Since dead people/things can be summoned why can't sealed things be summoned (eg. kyubi)

You just answered your own question, because it is sealed.

The Fourth Hokage is sealed inside the stomack of the Death God. During the battle between The Third and Oro, Oro summoned three coffin. The first coffin got summon perfectly and the third coffin was prevented by the The Third.

People said that the person on the third coffin is supposed to be The Fourth Hokage. Can you summon a sealed person or the person on the third coffin is not The Forth?

They never said the fourth was sealed.

[Deblas]

right, they only said that the 4th died sealing kyubi in naruto but they never said he was sealed in the death god

[kupalmaru]

Originally posted by: Deblas and Jing
They never said the fourth was sealed.

right, they only said that the 4th died sealing kyubi in naruto but they never said he was sealed in the death god

Sarutabi said that in order to summon that the Death God the summoner must sacrifies his own life. The summoner will then be entagled on a never ending battle inside the stomach.

I think the Death God cannot harm you physicaly, cut your arm, he can only hurt you by taking away your soul. You all has seen what happen to Sarutabi after Oro's hand was paralyzed.Sarutabi got sealed inside the stomach.

The samething may have happen to The Fourth, after he sealed Kyubi to Naruto.

When people talked about The Third they said that he is dead. Not Sarutabi is sealed inside the stomach of the Death God. People will not talked about The Fourth being sealed, they will only say that he is dead.

[kAi]

Originally posted by: kupalmaru


Originally posted by: jing


Originally posted by: Dreiko
Since dead people/things can be summoned why can't sealed things be summoned (eg. kyubi)

You just answered your own question, because it is sealed.

The Fourth Hokage is sealed inside the stomack of the Death God. During the battle between The Third and Oro, Oro summoned three coffin. The first coffin got summon perfectly and the third coffin was prevented by the The Third.

People said that the person on the third coffin is supposed to be The Fourth Hokage. Can you summon a sealed person or the person on the third coffin is not The Forth?

Maybe the Kazekage was in the 3rd coffin, or an old comrade/friend. coz i believe that Yondaime is in the Death God.

[kupalmaru]

CORRECT ME IF IM WRONG.

I think Im 100% sure that The Fourth is the guy that is crucified at the Death God stomach.

[jing]

Originally posted by: kupalmaru


Originally posted by: Deblas and Jing
They never said the fourth was sealed.

right, they only said that the 4th died sealing kyubi in naruto but they never said he was sealed in the death god

Sarutabi said that in order to summon that the Death God the summoner must sacrifies his own life. The summoner will then be entagled on a never ending battle inside the stomach.

I think the Death God cannot harm you physicaly, cut your arm, he can only hurt you by taking away your soul. You all has seen what happen to Sarutabi after Oro's hand was paralyzed.Sarutabi got sealed inside the stomach.

The samething may have happen to The Fourth, after he sealed Kyubi to Naruto.

When people talked about The Third they said that he is dead. Not Sarutabi is sealed inside the stomach of the Death God. People will not talked about The Fourth being sealed, they will only say that he is dead.

Actually I don't understand the stuff you just said. Basically, I'll just say you don't have proof that the fourth is sealed...

Sacrificing the life and Sealing is different.
Sarutobi sold his soul to the Death God inorder for the jutsu to work.
"Never Ending Battle" does not work, because then we would see 2 Sarutobi kage bunshins fighting the 1st and 2nd Hokage. If you do not understand what i just said, well i dont know.

[Raven]

Originally posted by: kupalmaru
I think Im 100% sure
How is that logically possible?

[kupalmaru]

Sorry about the English.

Jing take a look at the Death God when it was summon by Sarutabi. You can see The Fourth crucified on it's stomach.

Kage bunsin do not have soul to sacrifies.

c:1.jpg

[jing]

Originally posted by: kupalmaru
Sorry about the English.

Jing take a look at the Death God when it was summon by Sarutabi. You can see The Fourth crucified on it's stomach.

Kage bunsin do not have soul to sacrifies.

c:1.jpg

But unfortunately, 1st and 2nd ARE sealed in the tummy of the kagebunshins.
Here I got a picture that shows that both his kagebunshins, have seals.

http://kaizer17.homestead.com/files/Naruto_20-_20123_20-_2015.jpg

How the hell can you tell that this is the Fourth.
http://kaizer17.homestead.com/files/Naruto_20-_20123_20-_2005.jpg

You said earlier that the fourth is sealed, and then now you said he is being crucified by the death god. THEN you said that orochimaru was going to summon him, if sarutobi didn't stop him. SO WHICH IS IT. by the way, you can't even tell that its the fourth death god is holding onto.

So i guess you are not 100% correct at all.. not even close =P.

[kuro]

thats not the 4th on shinigami's stomach thats probably sarutobi's soul waiting to be consumed after the shinigami is done with his work...

[kupalmaru]

After the sealing of the 1st and 2nd Hokage, the two Kagebunshin pop. What I mean by pop is that they they vanished

Probably after the kagebunshin pop, the soul of the 2 hokage went to the belly of the Death God.

Kagebunshin only replicate the body of a ninja and not their soul, so the 2 hokage won't be battling any kagebushin soul.
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About the person crucified on the Death God.

I have seen the anime version of the picture. The picture that im talking about is the one that you post on your last post, before this post.

I come up with that opinion because I thought the hair of the guy, the one who s crucified, look simillar to the hairstyle of The Fourth Hokage from the flashback. The flashback is from the anime version of Naruto not manga.

Maybe Im wrong about this one. Sorry.
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From my previous post I ask if the person on the third coffin is the Fourth. Someone replied that the Fourth is the person on the third coffin. So I kinda go from thier and said that Oro is going to summon the Fourth.

I think being crucified or sealed on the Death God stomach seems similar. Hehehehe
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Hey is Manda sealed, because Oro told Kabuto before he summon Manda, "unseal it". So if Manda is sealed you can summon things by unsealling them.
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Maybe all of what im saying here is wrong and all of your post is right.

So this is probably going to be my last post in this topic.

[Assertn]

1) the soul in front of the death god is sarutobi's.......its so the death god can attack voodoo-style, by shoving his arm into the soul and have his arm sorta teleported out of the front of sarutobi's body.
Theoretically, this would mean that naruto's soul was in front of the death god when it was used on kyubi.

2) Where do you get this "unseal manda" stuff from? if its from AH, then dont worry about it......AH isnt as accurate as people think they are, and in NO OTHER VERSION does kabuto say anything about unsealing manda. All they did was summon him the same way gamabunta and the slug were summoned

[Arcn3ss]

Originally posted by: AssertnFailure
1) the soul in front of the death god is sarutobi's.......its so the death god can attack voodoo-style, by shoving his arm into the soul and have his arm sorta teleported out of the front of sarutobi's body.
Theoretically, this would mean that naruto's soul was in front of the death god when it was used on kyubi.


Thank you Assertn, you're correct as always.

It was hurting my head that ppl were thinking it was the 4th's soul. It was clearly Sarutobi's soul due to the fact when the god of death inserted his arm into that souls back, Sarutobi felt it. Now what would be the logic in him feeling pain from another person's soul.

[Assertn]

lol, i do what i can for great forum justice i/expressions/face-icon-small-wink.gif

[kupalmaru]

Originally posted by: AssertnFailure
1) the soul in front of the death god is sarutobi's.......its so the death god can attack voodoo-style, by shoving his arm into the soul and have his arm sorta teleported out of the front of sarutobi's body.
Theoretically, this would mean that naruto's soul was in front of the death god when it was used on kyubi.

2) Where do you get this "unseal manda" stuff from? if its from AH, then dont worry about it......AH isnt as accurate as people think they are, and in NO OTHER VERSION does kabuto say anything about unsealing manda. All they did was summon him the same way gamabunta and the slug were summoned


Yeah I got it from AH.

Are you a member of the justice league. LOL

Edit: How do you put a picture on your post. The piture is from my hardrive

[Assertn]

yes, the Forum Justice League(tm) comprised of Terra, Mutata, and myself i/expressions/face-icon-small-cool.gif

you cant put a picture form your harddrive on your post.....you have to upload it to a website first

[Mut]

Originally posted by: AssertnFailure
yes, the Forum Justice League(tm) comprised of Terra, Mutata, and myself

this is bad ass. we must form a headquarters and vow to eliminate all threats by noobs.

[Terracosmo]

What, I never signed on to some justice league thingy... do I get paid?

[Assertn]

lol yeah we can have a huge expensive volcano base where we sit at computers w/ Uber Mach T-infinity broadband lines (technology 200 years from the future) setting forum noobs straight with maximum efficiency

i dunno Terra.......if we had such a justice league....then ciber would have to be the central AI that stands as a symbol of orderly posting conduct or something........
so he'd have to be in charge of finances as well

[PSJ]

lol what a carppy justice league we would be better of with the villains from powerpuff girls.

[Assertn]

Originally posted by: Pervert-Sennin Jiraiya
lol what a carppy justice league we would be better of with the villains from powerpuff girls.

i/expressions/face-icon-small-shocked.gif ........
i/expressions/face-icon-small-mad.gif FORUM JUSTICE LEAGUE(tm) ASSEMBLEEEE!!!

[Mut]

don't worry, i hit PSJ with a jealousy no jutsu. his behavior is normal after being hit with such technique.

[Assertn]

oh, and here i thought judging from his power level (post count), he wouldve been a TOUGH adversary i/expressions/beer.gif

oh wait <pulls out spellerang and throws it at PSJ's spelling of the word crappy>
phew, that was a close one!

[PSJ]

my weak point is jealousy and hwne it comes form a powerful opponent like mut@t@ its hard to avoid it.

[piasEnigma]

In the anime you can clearly see that it is the 4th

[piasEnigma]

please disreguard these post.. for some reason it 2x posted and wont let me edit the first..

[Knives122]

well since the four of you are the "good guys" I guess we need bad guys to disagree with you always(even though I wont win), one question which one of you is the superman of the group, b/c Im the Darkseid mwuhuhahahahahahaha

[jing]

Originally posted by: piasEnigma
In the anime you can clearly see that it is the 4th

Screenshot it for me then.
i took my time to gather information and posted manga pictures.
so you guys should really start saying things with proofs....

[Assertn]

Originally posted by: Knives122
well since the four of you are the "good guys" I guess we need bad guys to disagree with you always(even though I wont win), one question which one of you is the superman of the group, b/c Im the Darkseid mwuhuhahahahahahaha

lol i dunno.......apparently im the guy with the spellerang now......O_o

[kupalmaru]

Originally posted by: AssertnFailure
yes, the Forum Justice League(tm) comprised of Terra, Mutata, and myself

you cant put a picture form your harddrive on your post.....you have to upload it to a website first

So you need to have a website first, before you can post a picture.

[Assertn]

oy......
do you have aim?
if you do, then go to mywebpage.netscape.com
and use your aim login to log in there.....and upload your pics using that

[piasEnigma]

WARNING TO 56K'ers.


http://img56.exs.cx/img56/4707/capture3.jpg


http://img61.exs.cx/img61/4707/capture3.jpg

[Mut]

Originally posted by: piasEnigma
In the anime you can clearly see that it is the 4th

the only thing i can clearly tell is that is not the 4th. looks more like the 3rd.

oh my god... i hope you don't think that when sarutobi said "come forth" sarutobi was refering to the yondaime... you better say no...

EDIT: oh, i thought you were talking about disregarding only the second post cuz you double posted. no one is pushing.

[piasEnigma]

also.. i remmber posting "disreguard my post"..
people just keep pushing.

[jing]

Yeah what Mutata said.... so why did u posted a picture of 3rd saying "Come forth"........lol..

[PSJ]

whats the point of this thread? you can clearly see that the soul hanging there is the 3rd if you cant then buy a pair of glasses.

[ChuBaka]

Originally posted by: Pervert-Sennin Jiraiya
whats the point of this thread? you can clearly see that the soul hanging there is the 3rd if you cant then buy a pair of glasses.

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