Music: HIP HOP!!!

[SK]

I decided to start a Hip Hop thread, even though there probably arent many who listen to it on this forum, or so it seems. Basically you can talk about what your listening to right now and stuff.
Im listening to Kanye West a lot right now, The College Dropout is the best album in a while. His lyrics are off the chain too.
He can be serious, "I get down for my grandfather, who talk my momma, made her sit in that seat where white folks aint want us to eat!...."
And funny, "I dont know whats better, gettin laid or gettin paid, but when im getting one the other ones gettin away..."

[ad4mz41]

Heh, thought i was the only one on the forums listening to rap & hip hop. My favorite artists are Bone thugs and Tupac.

[JusDaMan]

I would have to say that everyone will agree that tupac is the best rapper that ever lived... that is a fact...

and most new stuff right now dont have the flare the old people have... like the g-unit I liked them...

I'm actucally enjoying d12 album... i mean it is very very racist all around... but theres just something to them that i like. probably cause its eminem.. (which i consider 2nd best artist next to tupac)

See someone like Jin he can freestyle but i wouldnt say can rap

[Vagabond]

Any of you guys like Big L?

[ad4mz41]

Originally posted by: JusDaMan
See someone like Jin he can freestyle but i wouldnt say can rap

haha I second that. I thought he was going to be really good when he signed with Ruff Ryders but it turns out hes way better at freestyling than rapping.

So what are your guys favorite songs? I would say mine is Crossroads by Bone Thugs cuz I use to listen to it alot when i was 6. Pretty meaningful too.

[SK]

im supposed to get d12 off my friend for 5 bucks because he didnt like it. i think 2Pac is probably #1 with Biggie close behind at second.
EDIT: Yeah did you hear Jin's song Speak Chinese? that was one of the dumbest songs i ever heard.

[Mut]

2pac, kthx.

[Aeon]

YaY other Rap hiphop fans, Like Kakashi i'm listening to Kanye West CD, but I'm also listening to Twister and the most under rated rapper out right now Royce 5'9.

[JusDaMan]

Originally posted by: -Sharingan-Kakashi-
EDIT: Yeah did you hear Jin's song Speak Chinese? that was one of the dumbest songs i ever heard.

Well I think one reason behind jin's first single to be "LEARN chinese" is cause well he is the first official chinese rapper. and he is out there supporting the chinese community. but its all good. alot of my friends know jin personally.

[Uzumaki Naruto]

Originally posted by: ad4mz41
Heh, thought i was the only one on the forums listening to rap & hip hop. My favorite artists are Bone thugs and Tupac.

hell yea man, same here bone thugs and 2pac is the shizznet

[SK]

Crossroads is my favorite video ever, and one of my favorite songs. That song Broken Wings (i forget the official name) by Tupac is like my favorite song ever.

[Uzumaki Naruto]

same here, everytime i see that video, i just there and watch like nothings going to happen

[hiddenpookie]

Bone thugz are very good they have one of the fastest rappers i have ever heard of. I like lil flip Gameover.
Tupac 98% of all songs i like them all. D12 is alright. wow u guys got to check out the songs of Nas in '94

[Uzumaki Naruto]

that would be bizzy bone, bizzy is the man

[oceen246]

Big L was real nice, it's f**ked up how young he died though, rest in peace.

My favorite rapper ever is the Notorious B.I.G.
then DMX, Cam'ron, everybody from D-Block... and a bunch of others.

[oceen246]

Originally posted by: hiddenpookie
Bone thugz are very good they have one of the fastest rappers i have ever heard of. I like lil flip Gameover.
Tupac 98% of all songs i like them all. D12 is alright. wow u guys got to check out the songs of Nas in '94

Twista is the fastest rapper ever though, he was in the guinness world record book

[JusDaMan]

I liked some of big pun's lyrics it was ok

[ad4mz41]

Yeah old songs seem to be better than the new songs that are coming out. I like that song P. Diddy dedicated to Biggie a long time ago called I'll Be Missing You. One of my favorite songs.

[Jman]

Originally posted by: oceen246


Originally posted by: hiddenpookie
Bone thugz are very good they have one of the fastest rappers i have ever heard of. I like lil flip Gameover.
Tupac 98% of all songs i like them all. D12 is alright. wow u guys got to check out the songs of Nas in '94

Twista is the fastest rapper ever though, he was in the guinness world record book

Yeah i heard that too. His flow is sick, they had him rap in the studio & recorded it then had to play it back for a professional speech therapist who figured out how many syllables he made in the rap within a certain time.

[Uzumaki Naruto]

yea i also read that too, but some of his songs arent all that

[Himura_san]

Originally posted by: oceen246


Originally posted by: hiddenpookie
Bone thugz are very good they have one of the fastest rappers i have ever heard of. I like lil flip Gameover.
Tupac 98% of all songs i like them all. D12 is alright. wow u guys got to check out the songs of Nas in '94

Twista is the fastest rapper ever though, he was in the guinness world record book


Yes toungue twista is the fastest rapper. I heard him freestyle once and could not believe it.

Anyway, I am not into mainstream rap or I should say Crap with all the bling bling and shit.

I like old school like Tribe called quest, Cypress Hill, Naughty By Nature, Ghetto Boyz, EPMD, Wu-tang, Bone Thugz is good too!
And as for new rappers I like The roots, J5, and Mos Def.

And what's with this Tupac is the best rapper bullshit?? He is good but there are plenty better IMO.
Check out some of the aforementioned.

Yay! I became Genin! O_o

[r3n]

i love beastie boys, cypress hill nd some others.

beastie boys are jst immense tho i/expressions/face-icon-small-smile.gif new single (ch-check it out) is so good, had it playing on repeat for ages now lol

cant wait for them to tour this summer with new album release

[SK]

Twista's album is alright, the first 2 songs are real good, and the ones produced by Kanye, but then it goes downhill from there. i live in florida now (i used to live in ma so im mostly into east coast rap) and all they play is this southern garbage, all they rap about is 24s, money, and hoes. i know they do in almost all rap but people like Kanye, Jay Z, Tupac etc etc always have almost all real lyrics on their albums except for a couple songs. i cant stand southern rap, it all sounds the same, and its too dam hot down here!

[shadowmantis]

hardly any of those are worth buying i/expressions/face-icon-small-tongue.gif
i think philly has the best hiphop known to man

[Uzumaki Naruto]

thats why u dled, itr free, unless u get caught the ur f*&%

[shadowmantis]

i don't know if i should make fun of the way you type i/expressions/face-icon-small-tongue.gif

nah, i love having original albums. makes me feel better, and more honest about liking the band/rapper/group/blah. my point was, there's much better hiphop than jay-z and (*shiver*) d12

[SK]

well im not really into underground. i listen to mixtapes and all that, but i like to listen to people who have made it. im not saying theres people out there who werent good or even great, but to make it in the rap game you need to have the lyrics, the voice, and most of all the drive. D12 is a joke i dont like them no more they spend way to much time being funny instead of spitting real shit.

[chambers]

jay-z is the best. there can be no other.

[Himura_san]

Originally posted by: chambers
jay-z is the best. there can be no other.

Jay-Z is Lame-O ;-p

But seriously I am not into commercial rap more old school and underground.

And I forgot to mention I like early Beastie Boys specailly the album Paul's Boutique.

[SK]

i like Jay Z, i mean really think about what he does, he doesnt even need to write he does his verse in one take right in the studio. but the black album was nothing compared to the blueprint 2

[GLS]

I may be part of a small crowd that starting to see rap as recycled crap TODAY. I must stress the word today because its much different than Run DMC or Kool and the Gang or Jurassic 5. MUCH DIFFERENT.

These days, its usually 3-4 guys comin out rapping on an individuals album. everysong on someone like Ludacris's album features mystikal or lil' john or someone of that nature. They rap about the same things, such as big bootys, bling, and hatas drinkin hatarade and recycled crap like that. While its ok to have 1 or 2 songs featuring another rapper/R&B artist, dont fill the whole CD with it.

Eminem raps with emotion. He tells a story when he raps. Sure it may be strongly violent, but at least it has heart, unlike 95% of rap these days. I understand that Eminem is a part of D12, but I dont like D12 nearly as much as I like Eminem, the solo rapper.

50 cent was decent, but the "I got shot 9 times" angle got old fast, then he came out with G-Unit. Great, more crap.

Some ignorant idiots may jump to the conclusion that I'm a racist, and that I like the white guy as opposed to all black guys. My main thing with RAP music is material, and Eminem has reinvented himself in each album.

Hopefully, I've opened a whole new can of worms to the discussion here. Not talking from an artist standpoint, but from an overall perspective.

[Mut]

rap was at its best in the 90's.

[ad4mz41]

Originally posted by: Mut@t@
rap was at its best in the 90's.

True that.

[SK]

yeah the best rappers were in the 90s, Dre, Pac, Biggie, but lets give the 2000s a chance too i/expressions/face-icon-small-wink.gif
now question for gaaralovessand is, did you start listening to hip hop before or after Eminem came out? i like Em too, but even i gotta admit he is starting to get repetitive, but i gotta wait till his next album to see. i think old school rap is ok, i grew up in the 90s, so im more into east coast gangsta rap. i really hate southern rap though, its garbage, i agree all they talk about is bling bling, 24s, and getting crunk.

[chambers]

eminem is the single most wasted talent in the entire history of rap. he has the biggest audience and does NOTHING with it. he needs to take a leaf out of mos def's book. he could do a serious song and it would still sell millions. the last time he tried somtihg original was stan and isnt that the biggest selling em song?

[GLS]

Originally posted by: -Sharingan-Kakashi-
yeah the best rappers were in the 90s, Dre, Pac, Biggie, but lets give the 2000s a chance too i/expressions/face-icon-small-wink.gif
now question for gaaralovessand is, did you start listening to hip hop before or after Eminem came out? i like Em too, but even i gotta admit he is starting to get repetitive, but i gotta wait till his next album to see. i think old school rap is ok, i grew up in the 90s, so im more into east coast gangsta rap. i really hate southern rap though, its garbage, i agree all they talk about is bling bling, 24s, and getting crunk.

apparently you didnt notice that I mentioned the likes of RUN DMC among other groups that formed hip-hop and brought it mainstream. I like Dr. Dre, but never cared all that much for Pac or Biggie Smalls.

I will say that I'm a person who likes all types of music. I could listen to Eminem, and then play some Staind or Blink 182 or even John Mayer. But I've been aware of the rap game long enough to make a fair opinion about it.

[shadowmantis]

i used to love dr dre when i was like 14. this was in the days of chronic. it hurt to see him drop the signature west coast style and do more commercial stuff after that album. same goes for snoop dogg. i don't know, maybe i just don't like high profile music? i never liked 2pac. i always thought he was boring. same goes for biggie. i think their 'duel' made them bigger rappers than they were.

i need to get something off my chest, you don't have to read

- wu tang clan rant -
my all time favorite rapper, and lyricist, is gza, by far. that guy still makes the same kinda music that he used to make back in '95. yet, it's never boring. i mean, tell me you STILL don't like 'liquid swords', and i'll call you a big chubby liar! i/expressions/face-icon-small-tongue.gif ah, the wu-tang of the mid-nineties.. that's rap at it's best. NOTHING will ever top the solo and group albums that came out in the period between '93 and '98. their second album (best cd ever compiled, imo) put an end to a wonderful saga. then they started making crap music, and rza lost all creativity. every now and then, he'd make something decent (like 'ghost dog' soundtrack), but overal, he just got really boring. despite the bad reviews, i absolutely LOVE his first album. it has some dark, monotone, depressing feel to it. especially 'kiss of the black widdow pt1', but that might be because of the portishead sample. portishead = depressing. 'the w' and 'iron flag' had some nice tracks, but it just felt too commercial and poppy to me, as a whole. the best example is inspecta deck. the fiercest rapper to walk the earth. that guy went from being the emperor of rap to that half assed, shit stained, crap tainted excuse for an album, 'the movement'. that crap of a cd sounds like it was made in magix music maker, on a laptop, with a built-in mic. ooooh, the scar that that album left in me.. i used to like raekwon and ghostface killah before, in the 'ironman'/'only built for cuban lynx' days. even 'supreme clientelle', i have to admit - that album owned the fuck out of me. there's even a nice 'fuck you' note for 50 cent in one of the skits (this was eons before 50 cent was famous, that's actually where i first heard of him). anyway, ghost and chef got all blingy with time and it started to piss me off. every picture in the cd sleeve would have one of them smiling with golden teeth and rings and watches and whatnot. i mean, you fuckers are the fathers of this genre - we know you're rich! their last albums were crap, at least compared to the first few. 'bulletproof wallaz' (one version of the name) had like 3 decent tracks. masta killa. i haven't been snooping around about hiphop lately, so i don't know if his solo album finally came out. i hear a couple of tracks and i liked it. this guy is pure rhyme. one of the few rappers on the planet who are actually worth 'listening' to. he doesn't rap in rythm, or make weird woopty-woop noises. here's an example from the best rap song, imo i/expressions/face-icon-small-wink.gif "the light is provided through sparks of energy from the mind that travels in rhyme form, giving sight to the blind. the dumb are mostly intrigued by the drum. death, only one can save self from, this relentless attack of the track spares none" (hope i got it right). i once heard method man do a 30 minute freestyle (i have the clip, i think, if anyone wants it) and i was bowing down to the master. then he met puff daddy. and he made crap movies. so now i don't like him as much as before. 'bring the pain' is TEH POPPA of half the songs you hear today. u-god has crappy lyrics, but his voice and tact are great. uh, that's about it. odb.. eh.. the guy is just.. god. craziest fucking idiot on the planet earth. it's hard to hate him for selling out, he's just too fucking cool for school.

that's my ode to wu tang. it was nice while it lasted, and i'm glad it was happening when i liked hiphop the most. but i guess i grew out of it, eminem and 50 cent just don't do it for me. all they do is whine and show off at the same time, from my point of view. but to each his own.
i suggest (no, i STRESS) that you hiphop liking guys get 'honest expression' by this little group called binarystar. it has a clever bruce lee sample in it. very low budget cause the guys have no label, and aren't looking for one. oh, that rocks my boat i/expressions/face-icon-small-wink.gif

[GLS]

shadowmantis, thank you for understanding the overexploded concept of Biggie and 2pac. And what bothers me is that people still make albums with them. 2pac even had a movie, cmon. Just die already. Their presence in rap today personally takes away from whatever aura they had before they died, its ridiculous.

heres what bothers me the most about rap (besides all of the commonality these days)

shadowmantis talks about the Wu Tang Clan, and what he liked/didnt like about 'em. Wu Tang Clan is OK, thats a group, their albums are meant to have multiple person(s) rapping in a song. But as I mentioned before, a guy like Ludacris, a rapper who makes an album and puts ONLY his name on it, may only perform half as much as anybody else on that album. The reason I like Eminem (minus D12) is he can make, in my opinion, a good CD, with about 90% of the rhymes coming from his own mouth. He does have the occasional "featuring" song, but thats fine by me. In other words, what I'm saying: Make your own damn album, is that too fucking hard for you?

When I first posted here, I wasnt hoping for a battle of the artists. I was hoping people would start discussing other aspects, such as the material and substance of the rap game today.

[Mut]

Originally posted by: gaaralovessand
shadowmantis, thank you for understanding the overexploded concept of Biggie and 2pac. And what bothers me is that people still make albums with them. 2pac even had a movie, cmon. Just die already. Their presence in rap today personally takes away from whatever aura they had before they died, its ridiculous.

you are garbage.

EDIT: well, it's not a comeback since you didn't say anything to me first. i/expressions/light.gif

anyway, i don't know how you can say 'cmon just die already' about 2pac, perhaps the greatest and most influential rapper of all time. that's just being unreasonable.

[GLS]

Originally posted by: Mut@t@

you are garbage.

<sarcasm>Wow. great comeback.</sarcasm>

[chambers]

mutata, hes the most overated rapper of all time, hes not the best at anything, no flow, no style, no interesting lyrics, no amazing delivery heck his tunes are not even that good. basically being shot was the best thing that EVER happend to rap. that sounds harsh but it propelled it into a nothe rlevel in terms of world regocnition.

P.S i DO NOT mean that him dying was a good thing, i mean it was a good thing for rap.

[Mut]

Originally posted by: chambers
mutata, hes the most overated rapper of all time, hes not the best at anything, no flow, no style, no interesting lyrics, no amazing delivery heck his tunes are not even that good. basically being shot was the best thing that EVER happend to rap. that sounds harsh but it propelled it into a nothe rlevel in terms of world regocnition.

P.S i DO NOT mean that him dying was a good thing, i mean it was a good thing for rap.

if those words can come out of your mouth, then you don't even know what rap is. the thing about 2pac that made him so popular and great was not his actual rapping ability (i can say that others are better), but the way he delivered his lyrics in such a powerful way. hearing you say this kind of stuff makes me think that the 2pac songs you've heard of are: changes, cali love, and thug mansion.

EDIT: chambers, tell me which albums you have. and nwa and 2pac were totally different generations man... nwa is the founder of gangster rap. you don't compare anyone with them. and no, he did not pretend to be a gangster... everyone else did and does, 2pac is as real as it gets.

[chambers]

yeah sure, ive got a few albums. the reason he was so good was because he pretended to be a gangster and did it with style. you compare him to a group like the NWA ( i know a bit unfair they were a group) and see who has the better or more hard hitting lyrics.

ive been listening to rap for a very VERY long time.

[Assertn]

Originally posted by: chambers
eminem is the single most wasted talent in the entire history of rap. he has the biggest audience and does NOTHING with it. he needs to take a leaf out of mos def's book. he could do a serious song and it would still sell millions. the last time he tried somtihg original was stan and isnt that the biggest selling em song?

i think its cool to write a song about people who are obsessed with you and kill their girlfriends for you

[chambers]

yeah thats what i mean, the first tim ei heard the song i was like hey this is good stuff. but other than that its all the same.

[Gods_Son]

I think he was being sarcastic. Stan is just as bad as any other Eminem song.

[chambers]

i was turning it on its head. i never said it was cool. i said it was original. and it was. to be original it doesnt have to have an original story, just be told in an original way.

[SK]

i must agree that Pac is easily one of the greatist rappers of all time, he is my favorite, just his voice, his lyrics, his style. im one of those huge Pac fans that wish he wasnt dead, and im glad he keeps coming out with new albums, shit i still listen to all his old stuff. i heard he has 2 more cds coming out, then theyre releasing a huge box set of all his albums. i also cant go with all this shit about rappers now not having street cred, this is obviously not true except for ja rule and some others, but everyone i listen to isnt frontin. (Jay Z, DMX, Nas, K West, Pac, BIG, to name a few)

[shadowmantis]

Originally posted by: chambers
i was turning it on its head. i never said it was cool. i said it was original. and it was. to be original it doesnt have to have an original story, just be told in an original way.

it's a cover of dido's song.

[chambers]

well done for stating the incredibly obvious.....................

like i said being original in one aspect is enough to make something original.

[shadowmantis]

how is a cover original?

(edit: please, if you're gonna tell me he's the best rapper of all time and call me a noob, save your fingers.)

[chambers]

i think you need to re-read what i wrote, i actually said that "eminem is the single most wasted talent in the entire history of rap".
so you can take it from that i dont think hes some kind of god. what i was saying is that stan is probly the single original song and its his best by miles because the way he choses to deliver it is unique and original, its like a book with a twist in the end.

[shadowmantis]

i see. i guess if you look at it from that angle, it looks original. how i see it, is that he keeps bitching about being too famous all the time, and can't stop talking about it. it's either something concerning his fame, or mother. so the song didn't strike me as original. i do see your point.

[SK]

yeah theres a lot of rap songs about obsessive fans.
(sarcasm btw for the kids who take everything literally)

[shadowmantis]

it's just another form of showing he's an icon of todays pop culture.

read.



Fusion of the five elements, to search for the higher intelligence. Women walk around celibate, living irrelevant. The most benelovent king, communicatin through your dreams. Mental pictures been painted, Allah's heard and seen everywhere; Throughout your surroundin atmosphere, troposphere, thermosphere, stratosphere. Can you imagine - from one single idea, everything appeared here. Understanding makes my truth crystal clear. Innocent black immigrants locked in housing tenemants. Eighty-Five percent tenants depend on welfare recipients. Stapleton's been stamped as a concentration camp, at night I walk through, third eye is bright as a street lamp. Electric microbes, robotic probes taking telescope pictures of globe. Babies getting pierced with microchips stuffed inside their earlobes, then examinated, blood contaminated, vaccinated, lives fabricated. Exaggerated authorization, Food and Drug Administration testing poison in prison population. My occupation to stop the innauguration of Satan. Some claim that it was Reagan, so I come to slay men like Bartholemew. 'cause every particle and physical article, was diabolical to the last visible molecule. A space night like Rom, consume planets like Unicron, blasting photon bombs from the arm like Galvatron.

United Nations, gun fire style patient, formulating rap plural acapella occupation. Conquer land like Napoleon, military bomb fest. We want sanitary food, planetary conquest. Thug peoples on some hardco' body shit, get your shit together 'fore the fuck Illuminati hit. Dreams is free in escape of sleep for a fool, peep jewels, keep tools for tough time. The rule of rough mind, elevate, stay behind. The sun gotta shine, keep on, cremate the whole Babylon. Time's up - move on. Kings on your pawn, checkmate. No fakes opposed through the gate, case closed. Things get froze, when it comes time. Chosen ones were holding guns. We take flight with no fright and attack. Never fear cause our words is clear. What's been done can't be undone, Son. We can't care 'cause the last days and times are surely here. Snakes and flakes get blown by the rightous ones. Divine minds bind, we unified as one. Half of black hope, we half broke. Smoke a bowl of weed, shit. Our everlastin answers stay flying over Egypt.


Bashing the system for ignoring the poverty and corruption in bigger cities, and overall controlling the public. All that without using 'dog', 'streets', '9 milli', the 'N' word, 'fucking cops/pigs', 'bitch', 'ain't', and such.
THAT, <u>imo</u>, is original - and worth listening to.



..then i hear something like this (http://www.ohhla.com/anonymous/50_cent/get_rich/pimp.50c.txt), and get anrgy at the whole damn humanity for letting this crap go this far.

[SK]

listen, this thread isnt about your favorite rapper vs someone else's favorite rapper. you can like whoever the hell you want just like the next person. i dont wanna hear your dumbass comin in here tryin to start shit like that. you cant try to force people to like what you like.

[Mut]

Originally posted by: shadowmantis
it's just another form of showing he's an icon of todays pop culture.

read.



Fusion of the five elements, to search for the higher intelligence. Women walk around celibate, living irrelevant. The most benelovent king, communicatin through your dreams. Mental pictures been painted, Allah's heard and seen everywhere; Throughout your surroundin atmosphere, troposphere, thermosphere, stratosphere. Can you imagine - from one single idea, everything appeared here. Understanding makes my truth crystal clear. Innocent black immigrants locked in housing tenemants. Eighty-Five percent tenants depend on welfare recipients. Stapleton's been stamped as a concentration camp, at night I walk through, third eye is bright as a street lamp. Electric microbes, robotic probes taking telescope pictures of globe. Babies getting pierced with microchips stuffed inside their earlobes, then examinated, blood contaminated, vaccinated, lives fabricated. Exaggerated authorization, Food and Drug Administration testing poison in prison population. My occupation to stop the innauguration of Satan. Some claim that it was Reagan, so I come to slay men like Bartholemew. 'cause every particle and physical article, was diabolical to the last visible molecule. A space night like Rom, consume planets like Unicron, blasting photon bombs from the arm like Galvatron.

United Nations, gun fire style patient, formulating rap plural acapella occupation. Conquer land like Napoleon, military bomb fest. We want sanitary food, planetary conquest. Thug peoples on some hardco' body shit, get your shit together 'fore the fuck Illuminati hit. Dreams is free in escape of sleep for a fool, peep jewels, keep tools for tough time. The rule of rough mind, elevate, stay behind. The sun gotta shine, keep on, cremate the whole Babylon. Time's up - move on. Kings on your pawn, checkmate. No fakes opposed through the gate, case closed. Things get froze, when it comes time. Chosen ones were holding guns. We take flight with no fright and attack. Never fear cause our words is clear. What's been done can't be undone, Son. We can't care 'cause the last days and times are surely here. Snakes and flakes get blown by the rightous ones. Divine minds bind, we unified as one. Half of black hope, we half broke. Smoke a bowl of weed, shit. Our everlastin answers stay flying over Egypt.


Bashing the system for ignoring the poverty and corruption in bigger cities, and overall controlling the public. All that without using 'dog', 'streets', '9 milli', the 'N' word, 'fucking cops/pigs', 'bitch', 'ain't', and such.
THAT, <u>imo</u>, is original - and worth listening to.



..then i hear something like this (http://www.ohhla.com/anonymous/50_cent/get_rich/pimp.50c.txt), and get anrgy at the whole damn humanity for letting this crap go this far.

why does it matter if someone else raps that with saying bitch, fuck, n-bomb, ho, and/or glock? does it make any less meaningful? absolutely not. as long as you get your message across, i'm ok with it.

[Xollence]

Yeah I agree, but lately a lot of the hip hop songs have no meaning, just a bunch of swearing that rhythms.

[shadowmantis]

listen, this thread isnt about your favorite rapper vs someone else's favorite rapper. you can like whoever the hell you want just like the next person. i dont wanna hear your dumbass comin in here tryin to start shit like that. you cant try to force people to like what you like.
this is a thread about hiphop. if you read what i write, you'd notice that i'm comparing the old music to the new one. can you point me to a post where i was acting like you are right now? if you haven't noticed 'imo' that i put in almost every post, it means 'in my opinion'. also, there was disclaimer about not having to read it, in my previous post (about 'my favorite rapper').

and to make it perfectly clear, i'm not starting anything. on discussion board, you discuss the topic. not just post 'yeah hiphop ruuullzzzz!!!'. i respect everyone's likings, and i merely state how &gt;i feel&lt; about the same rapper. you're not open for my opinion. i'd prefer if you try to avoid reading my posts, and vice versa, until you chill.

mut@t@ - very true. but, i think the quality of the message is also important. i mean, kids listen to this. isn't it better if they hear proper grammar and stuff, instead of slang and a curse word ever 3 seconds? i'm all for good messages, but 'P.I.M.P.' doesn't really carry one, does it? i/expressions/face-icon-small-wink.gif

and xollence - amen.

[chambers]

Originally posted by: shadowmantis
[quote]
Bashing the system for ignoring the poverty and corruption in bigger cities, and overall controlling the public. All that without using 'dog', 'streets', '9 milli', the 'N' word, 'fucking cops/pigs', 'bitch', 'ain't', and such.
THAT, imo, is original - and worth listening to.


naw man thats what people call cliched. its not original to talk about poor people. name me another song with a twist in it?

[shadowmantis]

ah, i was going for something else i/expressions/face-icon-small-tongue.gif like saying they're talking about the same stuff as other rappers, only in a different, more thought provoking way.

twist.. hmm.. damnit, but i can't remember the name of the song. it's on nas' "i am.." album, where he goes on about catching his girl cheat on him, and it gets out of hand at the end. that's a great album, first cd i ever bought. hehe, i'm oldschool with tapes.
also, again, wu tang's "tearz"
gravediggaz - diary of a madman
warren g - regulate
maybe dmx - stop being greedy? hm, maybe not. good song, either way

edit:
got it, it's nas - undying love

yet another edit:
speaking of original, anyone know 'secret wars' by last emperor?

[SK]

Originally posted by: shadowmantis


listen, this thread isnt about your favorite rapper vs someone else's favorite rapper. you can like whoever the hell you want just like the next person. i dont wanna hear your dumbass comin in here tryin to start shit like that. you cant try to force people to like what you like.
this is a thread about hiphop. if you read what i write, you'd notice that i'm comparing the old music to the new one. can you point me to a post where i was acting like you are right now? if you haven't noticed 'imo' that i put in almost every post, it means 'in my opinion'. also, there was disclaimer about not having to read it, in my previous post (about 'my favorite rapper').

and to make it perfectly clear, i'm not starting anything. on discussion board, you discuss the topic. not just post 'yeah hiphop ruuullzzzz!!!'. i respect everyone's likings, and i merely state how &gt;i feel&lt; about the same rapper. you're not open for my opinion. i'd prefer if you try to avoid reading my posts, and vice versa, until you chill.

mut@t@ - very true. but, i think the quality of the message is also important. i mean, kids listen to this. isn't it better if they hear proper grammar and stuff, instead of slang and a curse word ever 3 seconds? i'm all for good messages, but 'P.I.M.P.' doesn't really carry one, does it? i/expressions/face-icon-small-wink.gif

and xollence - amen.

lol man ofcourse i didnt read your long as hell rants, just skimmed through. and to me it looked like you were comparing one rapper's lyrcis to anothers, which is why i said rapper vs rapper, because thats how you came off to me. i am chill, so please dont tell me to chill because thats just straight up annoying. also do you only listen to music that has a 'message'? i dont, i listen to all sorts of rap, i dont expect every song on an album to have a message, i like to hear funny shit like P.I.M.P. too. to me a rapper shouldent care if a kid might hear his song, he writes to express himself anyway he wants. if the parent isnt there to regulate what their kid is listening to then thats not the rappers fault its just not his responsibility. you can cleary see a PARENTS ADVISORY warning on the album. proper grammar? are you serious? to me, i dont want to hear no bs, i listen to rap because its real, inspiring, and i can relate to it.

[Mut]

Originally posted by: shadowmantis
mut@t@ - very true. but, i think the quality of the message is also important. i mean, kids listen to this. isn't it better if they hear proper grammar and stuff, instead of slang and a curse word ever 3 seconds? i'm all for good messages, but 'P.I.M.P.' doesn't really carry one, does it? i/expressions/face-icon-small-wink.gif

that's why they have the EXPLICIT LYRICS sticker on the cd's. if the dumbass kids somehow convince their even more dumbass parents to buy that album for them and the kids cry about the bad words, then oh well. sucks to be them. like i said, i don't really care about the music lately. i am with you about it being only about 20's, hoes, money, and other crap. like i said, 90's was when rap music was at its best.

and btw, who cares about proper grammar. let the rappers talk which ever way they want to speak. as long as i can understand it, i have no problem with it.

[shadowmantis]

well, you bring up a lot of new subjects.
the message.. it's not about 'a higher good' or something really smart that some guy says in a song that attracts me. when 'artists' are trying to get something across, i'd rather have them back it up with decent and intelligent lyrics, than use slang that only proves they haven't finished college. i suppose you like 'thug' and ganksta style, where you hear about the streets and life in the ghetto. see, i do too. but if i hear it in broken english, it loses all value to me. of course, i like the easy listening, more innocent songs. but i have talib kweli, for example. the guy is witty, sharp, smart and not caught up in pimping ho's and stuff. i'd hear a club song from time to time, yeah. but most of the time, something with a message, as you put it, can inspire me a lot better. i can't draw any inspiration from, let's say, "wankster".
i'll see if i can expain why i don't like cursing. the state of music today is, in my HUMBLE opinion, terrible. i'm at work, at 10am, and i hear 'fuck you, you ho, i dont want you back' on radio. i wouldn't mind that song, if they didn't play it in the middle of the day. everyone knows only teens and younger people watch mtv, vh1 and other music channels, yet they keep uncensoring things. it's dumbing people down, you have kids running around, acting stupid and disrespecting older people and other people's property. i just feel like it's bad influence, as simple as that. i have a younger sister, and she's into r&amp;b and hiphop and whatever. i don't want her to run around half naked, because tv told her lil kim is perfect and she should be like her.
it probably sounds like i'm getting old, but it's just that i saw hiphop when it was starting, and it was very different. i don't like the change to all this cursing and idolizing. i don't know, maybe you just haven't heard the groups i listen to?



that's why they have the EXPLICIT LYRICS sticker on the cd's. if the dumbass kids somehow convince their even more dumbass parents to buy that album for them and the kids cry about the bad words, then oh well. sucks to be them.
is there a parental advisory sticker on your tv? or your radio? or magazine? i really don't care about how they express theirselves, but about hearing that stuff in the middle of the day. does anyone have any decensy left nowadays?

[Mut]

Originally posted by: shadowmantis
is there a parental advisory sticker on your tv? or your radio? or magazine? i really don't care about how they express theirselves, but about hearing that stuff in the middle of the day. it's common courtesy, does anyone have any decensy left nowadays?

real quick: when people buy tv's, radios, and mags, they are completely responsible for the content that comes with it. if they want to live in a sheltered life then they can live like that family from blast from the past.

i dunno know what radios and magazines (i don't listen to the radio and i don't buy mags), but tv's they have the rating on the top right (left?) corner. it doesn't stay there throughout the whole program but it's shown during the opening intro and right after the program returns from commercial. i don't know if there are other ways of doing that but it's all up to whoever's in charge of it to show the us the rating without spending more money on it... so i'm not gonna talk about that. but why do you bring up common courtesy? if a child is flipping through channels and hears a cuss word or reference to someone getting shot and cries about it, why should anyone but besides the kid and the parent take blame? the parents should know that there are this kind of stuff on tv so they should tell their kid not to watch it and use a feature on their tv to block off channels. if they don't have that feature, then no tv for kids. i think it ultimately comes down to bad parenting and the kids being stupid.

and dude, if someone (not talking about your baby sis) is running around half naked just because tv told her lil kim was prefect and she should be like her, that girl is an IDIOT. she should have more common sense, be a TINY bit more strong minded and have some self esteem. if she is a young girl, then her parents should do something about it instead of bitching at the tv for their kid turning out all screwed up. HEY PARENTS, SOMETIMES IT'S YOUR'S AND YOUR CHILD'S FAULT TOO. the parents are sooo scared of being labled 'bad parents' that they can't even fathom the idea that they fucked up on some things. there are no perfect parents so they should learn from their dumb mistakes and learn to correct it. not only that, the parents are always like 'oh, my child can't be messed up, she's perfect and i'm sure this rebellious rap/rock/etc culture has jacked her up.' no, you stupid parents... there is a slight chance that your child is a fuck up straight out of the womb. and dude, you make it sound like cuss words aren't censored (besides bitch/ass).

NOTE: i'm not trying to flame people or anything. i am a jolly man.

[aduka]

in the videogame "true crime streets of la" whats the name of the rap song where they say bitch ass nigga?

[SK]

ill tell you suttin right now, all my little cousins listen to hip hop and love it, and listen to unedited cds. and none of them are walkin around swearing or any shit like that. why? it always comes down to the parents, my aunts/uncles let them listen to rap, just like they do, but that doesnt mean theyll let my cousins swear and disrespect older people. theyre young right now, so theyll be learning swears anyway, just like everybody does. you complaining about swearing in rap is just dumb, for one you dont have to listen to it, if you dont like what they play on the radio pop in a cd of what you like.

[shadowmantis]

okay, we're drifting away from the topic. i think i'm either not expressing myself good, or you're not getting my point.


anyway, i heard some great reviews about some british guy that calls himsed streets or something.. from my metal friends O_O i guess i'll have to check him out

[Assertn]

Originally posted by: shadowmantis


Originally posted by: chambers
i was turning it on its head. i never said it was cool. i said it was original. and it was. to be original it doesnt have to have an original story, just be told in an original way.

it's a cover of dido's song.

i thought i heard somewhere that the stan song came before dido's addition to it

anyway yeah, that song annoys me....but i actually dont have anything against most of eminem's music

[aduka]

nobody knows? or should i make a new topic?

[chambers]

AF the song and lyrics came b4, the tune was sampled before it was recorded properly or so i heard.

shadow mantis how the hell does enlarging a persons vocabulary make them dumber? slang is no worse than proper english, there is NOTHING wrong with slang at all.

and also i have to argue with mutata of course it influences you, why just last night i jacked a n***** in a benz with 40's

[Jman]

Originally posted by: aduka
nobody knows? or should i make a new topic?

I haven't played True Crimes SOLA as yet so I'm not sure about the song there but I think Mobb Deep did a song called "Bitch ass n...."

[SK]

lol i havent played it either but thats not really a good discription, 'whats the name of the song where they say bitch ass n****,' doesnt really narrow it down much.

[Assertn]

Originally posted by: chambers
AF the song and lyrics came b4, the tune was sampled before it was recorded properly or so i heard.

shadow mantis how the hell does enlarging a persons vocabulary make them dumber? slang is no worse than proper english, there is NOTHING wrong with slang at all.

and also i have to argue with mutata of course it influences you, why just last night i jacked a n***** in a benz with 40's

which song and lyrics? eminem's or dido's?

edit: er yeah thats right.....now i remember

[chambers]

em wrote his lyrics before the song was put to a beat. his producer heard dido and wanted to have her singing the chourus.

[oceen246]

Lyricaly impetuous,
my flow's so tight, it make me look pretentious,
niggas hate on me, I feel them for being jealous,
my style is recognized as dangerous,
hit niggas brain like weed, a stimulus.

I've been out of the game for a while,
trynna survive, straighten up my life.
for rappers, wut I did is just vile,
they'd get at me, make it a strife.

I took care of da beef quick,
pulled out my gat, my nine,
and blasted da nigga in da thigh,
best way to make a nigga wanna cry.

When the slug comes out the gun,
it goes through flesh like butter and burn.
if shit's popping, my whole crew's coming,
y'all know I ain't playin when y'all see my duns.

Ben, Ali, Melvin, and all my niggas be like 40 deep
from harlem, through da bronx, to brooklyn,
niggas gotta be stupid to think they could come against me.
When y'all hear da name oceen, y'all know da deal.

[Samanosuke]

...
none of you know anything about underground hip hop - fact, and your opinions on mainstream are garbage.

2pac didnt suck. he was one of the best to ever do it. - not many rappers have half the content in their entire careers as one pre-mortem 2pac album. me against the world is possibly the best cd ever made.

Jay-Z is good, quit hatin. reasonable doubt is untouchable. and most of his other cds are good too.

eminem is highly over-rated. hes basically ICP now.
he had 1 good mainstream cd, and that was his "debut" release which was basically a modified version of his underground EP with some dre songs on it, and his underground EP was just a bunch of singles he put out over a couple years all put together on one cd. his "re-inventions" of himself all get worse and worse with every album. thats the thing about rappers - you dont re-invent yourself for every cd, you have your schtick, and you stick with it till the end. his last cd was absolute garbage.

ALL southern rap doesnt suck. TI is possibly one of the best rappers out right now, its too bad hes in jail so he cant promote his shit or put out a follow up. seriously, 24's was made for commercial success, rubberband man is a good song if you listen to the lyrics, and the rest of his CD is damn good.

Mos Def is Most Deffinetely the best rapper in it right now. if you dont like mos def, then you are gay.
hes got to be the only emcee i ever heard who can be consistantly conscience without being whiney. he can freestyle over any beat, has the most versatile style, tight lyrics and metaphores, and he has good beats. check out "respiration" - one of the most metaphorical and socially aware songs made without being gay or militant. and he does it on a regular basis.



as far as underground hip hop goes, none of you know anything about it. the only underground artists your gonna see on tv are blackstar - jurrasic 5 isnt underground, the black eyed peas isnt underground, triple 6 mafia isnt underground.
underground is def jux records.
underground is eastern conference records.
underground is defari, the barbershop emcees, and dilated peoples(evidence killed eminem on searching for bobby fisher)
the thing about it is, theres way too many artists too even mention to list for REAL underground. not that fake commercial shit you hear on your radios and see on mtv claiming to be underground.
underground is pretty much just rappers who dont have the lyrics to appeal to a commercial audience, not the lack of talent to appeal. hence underground.

if you like ANY puff daddy, nelly, chingy, cash money or other bullshit bling bling non-rappin ass rappers then you dont need to be posting in this thread.
i dont know if any of you have actually been in a street where any of this stuff actually goes down, so let me tell you - swearing and slang are more than just lyrics in a song, bitching about it in songs that come from people who grew up in these places, and are talking about their lifes or telling storys about said places is just retarded, and you should smack your retarded self right now.
(pause for you to smack yourself)
now that thats done, realize this - that half nakedness and bad language you dont like is common place in actual streets, your pissed because you see this happening to people you know - but its been that way in places like whitehaven and orange mound for about 3 or 4 decades now. your hero talib kweli came from the same shit, he just says it in a different way - thats his choice. he's anti-cycle, most rappers are pro-cycle because its been good to them. some rappers are split on it (TI, 2pac).
you just dont know your hip-hop.
end rant.

edit - i forgot to mention, bone thugs sucks.

[shadowmantis]

yeah, ganksta, thanks for educatin uzzz. we be smrtr now

[oceen246]

I don't disagree with you Samanosuke, but if you read all the posts, you will see that most of what you said, was already said. That's why I'm not even interested in putting my voice in this, because it's just gon keep going in circle. But I do have to say this though, you can't judge people for what they like, I mean, you take Biggie, 2pac, jay-z, cam'ron, DMX, mosdef (not even mosdef, blackstar), and a whole bunch of other,....., what they say or used to say in their lyrics is so true that people who through the shit they're talking about can identify themself in it. Now, if a person can't identify him/herself in it, then they gon be like wtf they talking about, and they will tend to like other kinds of rap.

edit:



Originally posted by: Samanosuke
you should smack your retarded self right now.
(pause for you to smack yourself)


I like that, haha

[SK]

that was a rant i didnt mind readin Samanosuke, i basically agree with what u said. but remember everyone got different opinions on music, but your wrong, TI is wack. i/expressions/face-icon-small-wink.gif

[Samanosuke]

TI is the king of the south!!!

[shadowmantis]

i notice people talking about relating to rappers and stuff. hehe, 'i used to roll with da crips and push coke all day. but now i download anime'

i just saw some "mtv top 22 mc's", where people vote the best 22 rappers (obviously). the most people voted tupac. it was like

4. nas (i think)
3. eminem
2. big
1. tupac

i was surprised to see a list without 50 cent i/expressions/face-icon-small-tongue.gif i only liked a few of those guys in the list, but if i had to choose #1, it'd be rakim (from that list), who was around #10. lil kim was in like top 10 :/

[oceen246]

you shouldn't even pay attention to whatever MTV put up, cause it's all crap

[chambers]

yeah cos anythign that sells well is crap aint it. the thing thats most popular MUST be crap.

[shadowmantis]

my point exactly. mtv has ruined rap. and rock. and all music.

chambers: most of it, since it has target audience. there's decent mainstream, like maybe nas.
but some guy in nyc or philly without a label, in his friends home studio is the most honest rap you can get.

[Kagari]

rap sucks.

[shadowmantis]

close minded people who aren't open for things do too

[oceen246]

Originally posted by: shadowmantis
close minded people who aren't open for things do too

couldn't be anymore true than this

[SK]

yea i watched that 22 greatist mcs and it was wack. i like em and all but i dont consider him great yet. i just found out now rappers are getting paid to put brands into their songs :/

[ad4mz41]

Originally posted by: -Sharingan-Kakashi-
yea i watched that 22 greatist mcs and it was wack. i like em and all but i dont consider him great yet. i just found out now rappers are getting paid to put brands into their songs :/

What about Air force ones?
Gimme two pair...

[Stoopider]

Ice Ice Babeeehhh Ice Ice Babeeehhh Ice Ice Babeehhh

[Shadow-wolf]

Question. Who do you think is the greatest "female" rapper? Past, present, living or expired. My vote's on Lisa "Left-eye" Lopes. She had a good flow and she was also a pioneer in the rap game. Her style influenced other artist including....(well I won't give it away).

[oceen246]

my vote is on MC LYTE

[shadowmantis]

jamie summers is okay. vita is also cool, i suppose.

[SK]

prolly lil kim, i really like angie martinez too

[Himura_san]

Originally posted by: oceen246
my vote is on MC LYTE

I have to go with Queen Latifah and after that the chick from diggable planets.

[oceen246]

Originally posted by: Himura_san


Originally posted by: oceen246
my vote is on MC LYTE

I have to go with Queen Latifah and after that the chick from diggable planets.

Queen Latifah comes in 2nd for me

[Shadow-wolf]

I've wondered who would win between the Queen and Lyte. They're both pioneers.

[gaara]

yeah so far a lot of talk about rap stars but not necessarily hip hop... hip hop doesn't play on the radio, most of you are mistaken with that corporate sludge known as pop i mean rap..only mc is eminem and he sold out but is still good..

[shadowmantis]

hah
gotta love that, when people go 'i hate hop-pop, but eminem rulezz'

[Shadow-wolf]

Question 2. Who do you think are the biggest sellouts?

[oceen246]

It would be between ja-rule, ll cool J, benzino, and Ice cube at a certain point of his career

[Knives122]

you forgot nelly, he seems like the biggest one of all(with the exception of LL)

[chambers]

i hate the way people use the term sellout as a bad thing.

[Concentric]

I just registered to say most of guys have the worst taste in Hip-Hop.

Check out some good stuff like:
Common - I Used To Love H.E.R.
Aceyalone - The Guidlines
Blackalicious - Deception (Don't Let Money Change Ya)
Gang Starr - Royalty
Five Deez - Decapitated Orgasms
Extended Famm - FYIRB [Fuck You I Rhyme Better] (Remix)
The Roots - Seed 2.0
Louis Logic - The Ugly Truth
Outkast - Chonkyfire
Eyedea &amp; Abilities - Now
Pharoahe Monch - Fuck You
Atmosphere - The Lady With The Tattoed Hands
Cee-Lo - The Art of Noise
Illogic - Hate In A Puddle
Soul Position - Share This

[oceen246]

Knives122, yes you're right, I did forget about Nelly and them bitch ass saint lunatics. I included LL because it's been years he should have retired, but he's still trying to be in the game.

chambers, being a sellout is not a good thing, and I know you would take it as negative if someone would say you were one.

Concentric, it's not because you like something that what other people like is the worst, because by thinking this way, you're just being ignorant. I'm not saying you can't say your opinion, because you're free to do whatever you want, but it's not right to criticize other people. I don't like underground rap that much, but I still like it, what I like the most are mixtapes, but it doesn't mean that mixtapes are the best, it's just I like remixes and freestyles better than underground.

[shadowmantis]

Originally posted by: Concentric
Louis Logic - The Ugly Truth

Illogic - Hate In A Puddle


i never thought i'd meet another human being who knows them


when my EPS doesn't overheat
rebootin and not lose an entire beat &lt;-- lol

[Concentric]

Originally posted by: oceen246
Concentric, it's not because you like something that what other people like is the worst, because by thinking this way, you're just being ignorant. I'm not saying you can't say your opinion, because you're free to do whatever you want, but it's not right to criticize other people. I don't like underground rap that much, but I still like it, what I like the most are mixtapes, but it doesn't mean that mixtapes are the best, it's just I like remixes and freestyles better than underground.

Fair enough, I'm just stating musically, lyrically and subtance-wise what many people here are rating as being "good hip-hop" are poor, I'm sure in terms of being jiggy, gangsta whatever on the level they probebly come up spades. Anyway, I dislike the term underground, it's so cliched. Everything i mentioned was either major label or independent.

shadowmantis - hehe mad, i didn't expect anyone to listen to those two in particular. You herd the new Illogic album? It's probebly one of my fav albums this year.

[DraGunZer0]

Damn this thread got big... I stopped listening to Hip Hop a while ago mainly because everyone is talking about money, hoes, etc. and i find all that stuff overrated and repetive when everyone is rapping about it. Also the new songs with the catchy phrases that people keep singing is just so damn annoying IMO. Last time I listened to Hip hop was probably when Thugz Mansion was on the radio. Gotta love Tupac, his lyrics were mostly about the harsh realities of life and it brings me up when I feel down. Bone Thugz did the same although Tupac is my fav. rapper of all time. Just my lil peice of opinion.

[shadowmantis]

Originally posted by: DraGunZer0
Damn this thread got big... I stopped listening to Hip Hop a while ago mainly because everyone is talking about money, hoes, etc. and i find all that stuff overrated and repetive when everyone is rapping about it. Also the new songs with the catchy phrases that people keep singing is just so damn annoying IMO.

if you're still interested in it, i'd like to point you in this direction: art of rhyme (http://www.artofrhyme.com)

[Concentric]

Originally posted by: DraGunZer0
Damn this thread got big... I stopped listening to Hip Hop a while ago mainly because everyone is talking about money, hoes, etc. and i find all that stuff overrated and repetive when everyone is rapping about it. Also the new songs with the catchy phrases that people keep singing is just so damn annoying IMO. Last time I listened to Hip hop was probably when Thugz Mansion was on the radio. Gotta love Tupac, his lyrics were mostly about the harsh realities of life and it brings me up when I feel down. Bone Thugz did the same although Tupac is my fav. rapper of all time. Just my lil peice of opinion.

Yeah thats whats ruining hip-hop. Seriously dude, download Common - I Used To Love H.E.R. and a few of the other songs I listed (i really recommend out of the list i posted the louis logic song, the roots song and the blackalicious one). I think it may change your mind about hip-hop.

[highbass]

you know i can honestly say i am disgusted... you guys talking about rap and forgot one of the biggiest rap artist (in my opinion the best artist to ever live) the godfather.. NAS!... whent his guys first albumn came out.. pac was shitting his pants afraid of nas talent.. pac himself said that this guy is the real thing... i mean listen to nas - ny state of mind.. and then ny state of mind pt 2 (relates to his crew the firm).... he is most lyrically gifted person... the metaphors he uses cant compare to anyone not even pac... but then agaain you cant compare pac to nas because both are totally different... pac always stays on life stories.. and maintains a straight forward message... where as nas methaphorically speaks his mind... you guys also forgot about MOBB DEEP!... holy shit .. my favorite albumn of all time (next to stillmatic) has to be mura muzik by mobb deep.. fuckin awesome... that cd is pure classics... (o ya somone mentioned BIG L.. he fkn is awesome.. i call him and biggie the true devils son... [devil son.. on of big L's track])


edit: pacs favorite song by nas was i gave you power...

[oceen246]

highbass, don't worry, we didn't forget about those great artists you mentioned, but we were talking about rap in general, cause truth is, eventhough there are so many great artists, there are most garbage coming than good shit, and people coming up with garbages are always on top.

[highbass]

well i had to add my 2 cents... because hoenstly.. i dont think nas gets the respect he deserves....... he fkn is awesome.....

o ya there was a post of underground rap... i like immortal technique (although idont think he is much underground now as he was before).. he tackles like nowadays issues... like terrorism for example... somthing relevant to todays history.. i dunno most people i know didnt real like him but i like his stay and shit... o ya bout freestyle... i think best freestyle artist has to be mad skillz holy shit this guy can FREEstyle no other...


btw im listening to da brat f big - da b side

[shadowmantis]

Originally posted by: oceen246
highbass, don't worry, we didn't forget about those great artists you mentioned, but we were talking about rap in general, cause truth is, eventhough there are so many great artists, there are most garbage coming than good shit, and people coming up with garbages are always on top.

they're only on top if you turn your TV on i/expressions/face-icon-small-tongue.gif erase VH1 and BET out of your memory, and snoop around for good rap, if you're really looking for it. and i'm not talking "pac&amp;big". that website i posted a few posts ago is a nice place to start, there's some really nice reviews/soundclips/interviews/etc.

[oceen246]

I was refering artists like nelly and the saint lunatics, D12 without eminem, most of the down sounth rappers, etc....

[SK]

imo mixtapeusa.com, and theresd another nymixtapes.com or something like that, the first place used to have a thing to listen to the mixtapes not sure if they still do. btw anyone know if dilated ppls cd is good i aint picked it up yet

[chambers]

method mans new cd (it is in the UK at least) is pretty good, theres some good beats on it, my fav is a meth an ghostface one, think its number 13 and kanye MAY have produced it.

[oceen246]

my friend got a spot in harlem, and I get all my mixtapes for free, since he gets them directly from the DJ's. I saw Kay Slay, clue, Big Mike, and a bunch of others there.

edit:
I got Meth new album, he said that was his best one, but from my opinion, it's the worst. I only like 2 songs on it, and I'm already tired of one

[SK]

damn your lucky, i live in fla now and where i live its not as easy to get mixtapes for the normal 3-5 bucks. i just payed 8 bucks for the new envy.

[oceen246]

I feel you. I be getting mad mixtapes for my cousin in France, cause over there, they don't even have the new ones, and they still cost around $15

[highbass]

just wondering what people think of AZ...

edit: any fav songs of his?

[SilentKnight]

ehh

my personal favorites are Copywrite, Jakki Da Motamouth, Cage, Canibus, MHz, Weathermen, Immortal Technique, Atmosphere, Ikon The Verbal Hologram(Jedi Mind Tricks), Warbux, and Eminem

Copywrite is at the top of my list right now, if you haven't listened to his songs before I highly suggest you do. Copywrite is a battle emcee that has crazy wordplay and punchlines.
Recommended DL: Copywrite - Rocket Science

[shadowmantis]

Originally posted by: SilentKnightCopywrite, Jakki Da Motamouth, Cage, Canibus, MHz, Weathermen, Immortal Technique, Atmosphere, Ikon The Verbal Hologram(Jedi Mind Tricks), Warbux, and Eminem
kudos. that's good music. i'm not so sure about the last one, but all the previous ones are fucking legends in my book. aaaand ikon switched to vinnie paz i/expressions/face-icon-small-wink.gif not like it matters, but this guy is the best "white" rapper ever.

[Concentric]

Originally posted by: highbass
you know i can honestly say i am disgusted... you guys talking about rap and forgot one of the biggiest rap artist (in my opinion the best artist to ever live) the godfather.. NAS!... whent his guys first albumn came out.. pac was shitting his pants afraid of nas talent.. pac himself said that this guy is the real thing... i mean listen to nas - ny state of mind.. and then ny state of mind pt 2 (relates to his crew the firm).... he is most lyrically gifted person... the metaphors he uses cant compare to anyone not even pac... but then agaain you cant compare pac to nas because both are totally different... pac always stays on life stories.. and maintains a straight forward message... where as nas methaphorically speaks his mind... you guys also forgot about MOBB DEEP!... holy shit .. my favorite albumn of all time (next to stillmatic) has to be mura muzik by mobb deep.. fuckin awesome... that cd is pure classics... (o ya somone mentioned BIG L.. he fkn is awesome.. i call him and biggie the true devils son... [devil son.. on of big L's track])


Nas was good, illmatic, arguably the best hip-hop record ever, but then all the rest of his cd's were either average or mediocre. I still can listen to Illmatic anytime though, still classic. Same with Mobb Deep, they still have some sick songs.
Big L is the man though - "As beavis, I get nothing 'Butt' 'Head'" thats gotta be one of the all time classic punchlines
As for Az, i haven't herd much, i've flicked through one of his cd's, i can't remember the name, i wasn't impressed. But his verse on Life A Bitch is killer.

SilentKnight - w3rd, nice list. Copy is the man i/expressions/beer.gif

[SilentKnight]

ehhh....let me be more exact

i was talking about Eminem when he was still on Infinite

you know...313, Open Mic, Infinite, etc

Eminem right now is decent.....save for that D12 World, good god that was horrible

oh and i also like Eyedea, Nas, Rakim, KRS-One, Pharoah Monch, Esoteric, Talib Kweli......ehh who else am I forgetting?..........

EDIT: adding on Lous Logic, Aceyalone, Apathy, Camu Tao(decent), Kool G. Rap(i think that's his name), Mos Def

EDIT#2: GZA, Jurassic 5, Lyricology

[ngbetter11]

my favorite rappers are:

EL P
Mr.Lif
Aesop Rock
Mos Def
Talib Kweli
Wu Tang
Kanye
Black Star
Nas

[Himura_san]

An old school tribute to Pete Rock and CL Smooth!

Most of you are probably too young to know them, but check out their works! I recommend it!

Also Public Enemy gets props too!

[oceen246]

The guy from public enemy with the big watch around his neck (forgot his name) used to be a student in my high school

[Pyron]

tupac, meth, nas.. ya ya...

[shadowmantis]

Originally posted by: oceen246
The guy from public enemy with the big watch around his neck (forgot his name) used to be a student in my high school

flava flav.. *went*.. to school?!

i/expressions/face-icon-small-tongue.gif

[SK]

i jus picked up the lloyd banks cd (was only 8.99 and i jus got $150 for a job) its aight, his style really grown on me after a while lol. the song with 50, em, and nate dogg is hot though. what sux is its only 55 mins i thought itd have some bonus tracks or some shit, but no.

[highbass]

slick rick!....


hey young world..... i/expressions/face-icon-small-blush.gif i love that track,...

[GLS]

&lt;joke&gt;It's funny about the internet these days. Rappers who use to be gangstas' and thugs dont want you to download their music because it's STEALING.
*cough*cough*cough* sorry, I was choking on irony there.&lt;/joke&gt;

[Mut]

Originally posted by: -Sharingan-Kakashi-
the song with 50, em, and nate dogg is hot though.

i'm not sure if i'm thinking of the same song but is it called warrior part 2?

[Knives122]

"If you feeling like a pimp, player go and brush you shoulders off"-Jay Z(greatest rapper in the world) to bad he retired

[oceen246]

Originally posted by: Knives122
"If you feeling like a pimp, player go and brush you shoulders off"-Jay Z(greatest rapper in the world) to bad he retired

Jay-Z is not really retiring, he's retiring the name Jay-Z.

[SK]

yeah thats the one mut@t@, i also bought D12 world, Better Dayz, and Jadakiss new cd, i spend too much on cds heh.
EDIT what do u mean oceen?

[oceen246]

I heard he's going with dre under the name S. Carter. And also, he's still coming up with songs in mix CD's

[SK]

hmm whered u hear this from, and if jay-z was with dre, omfg would be one of the best albums ever, i heard busta rhymes is with dre also but havent heard anythin from him guess he workin.

[Himura_san]

Any of you young ones heard of Eric B. and Rakim.

They are quite old school but they were pioneers during their time.
I got to listen to a greatest album of theirs and enjoyed it alot.

[oceen246]

Originally posted by: -Sharingan-Kakashi-
hmm whered u hear this from, and if jay-z was with dre, omfg would be one of the best albums ever, i heard busta rhymes is with dre also but havent heard anythin from him guess he workin.

The whole flipmode is with dre now

[oceen246]

Originally posted by: Himura_san
Any of you young ones heard of Eric B. and Rakim.

They are quite old school but they were pioneers during their time.
I got to listen to a greatest album of theirs and enjoyed it alot.

whoever never heard about them doesn't know hiphop, and don't forget Big Daddy Kane, Kool G rap, KRS-one,........ there's so many but those are the first ones dat come to my mind.

[SK]

Rakim shoulda stuck with Dre, but I heard he left because Dre found the east coast rapper he was looking for in 50, was waiting to see something from him too...

[SilentKnight]

good god, i seriously hated 50 Cent. I mean hated him with a passion. He shoulda just died when those people shot him.


Jay-Z's a pretty good rapper, but I wouldn't take it that far and call him the best. Copywrite and Warbux still dominate my list.

[SK]

personally i like 50, definately one of the best albums in a while, and i lsiten to the best of 50 cent 2003 like everyday, bump heads, the realest, the realest killaz, love them songs.

[SK]

time to revive the thread. has anyone got the jadakiss vs 50 cent mixtape, shit was hot. everyone dl the jesus walks remix if you havent, kanye west and mace, only 1 verse for each but its still hot.

[Hakeem_21]

Jay-Z is the worst rapper in history and Tupac Shakur is the greatest!

I listen to 2pac,Nas,Outkast,Gangstar,LL Cool J,Black eyed Peas,and everyone that makes a good song.

[SK]

i listen to everyone in your list but gangstar, and Jay Z is a great rapper... has anyone got the new 2Pac cd, jus wondering if its worth buyin.

[chambers]

jay-z is my fave i just love the beats, and some times his verses make me think shit how the fuck can anyone come up with that, not as much a joe budden mind, but jay-z's beats are better. imo

[Mut]

Originally posted by: chambers
jay-z is my fave i just love the beats, and some times his verses make me think shit how the fuck can anyone come up with that, not as much a joe budden mind, but jay-z's beats are better. imo

jay-z spits out biggie rhymes that's how the fuck he can come up with that.

[SK]

^^^roflmao that shit was funny hehehehe. so have u seen that new guy gorilla or some shit sounds and looks jus like biggie.

[SilentKnight]

call me crazy if you want, but i kinda got sick of Tupac

i'm sure he's good and all, but the whole thug life thing never really appealed to me

[kAi]

&lt;joke&gt;It's funny about the internet these days. Rappers who use to be gangstas' and thugs dont want you to download their music because it's STEALING.
*cough*cough*cough* sorry, I was choking on irony there.&lt;/joke&gt;
lolz...



I heard he's going with dre under the name S. Carter.
yeah a mate told me something 'bout this..

[shadowmantis]

silentknight and i have a lot in common i/expressions/face-icon-small-wink.gif i agree about tupac, 50cent and copywrite

[SK]

stfu tupac is the greatist that ever done it and will ever do it, same with biggie, tupac jus edges him out because he has more material to judge him on. i jus bought young buck for a dollar, and only one word can describe it: GARBAGE this album is garbage do not buy it, i think g-unit needs to get a dictionary and look up the word ORIGINALITY.

[shadowmantis]

oh sorry, i forgot we're on the internet. when will they allow opinions?

[SK]

Some News: Eminem's new solo studio album, Encore, comes out Novermber 17th.

[Sanjuro]

OH shit, just saw this thread and read it all the way thru for a change (I was lookin for new shit to download). Guess i have to put my 2 cents in on the Tupac/Biggie thing: I gotta saw I'm a Biggie fan, but I think Tupac is alright (Anybody heard deadly combination w/ him, biggie and big L) I don't think he's the best, even if hes a legend. BUt as for the best rappers/groups (in my opinion)
Slick Rick
Outkast (all of their stuff is great, even though their older stuff (Stankonia and before) is the best
Digable Planets (REBIRTH OF SLICK!)
Tribe Called Quest (I can't believe nobody has said anything about them!)
The Roots
De La Soul
Beastie Boys
Talib Kweli, Mos Def
Jedi Mind Tricks
Big L (def one of the best ever: EBONICS)
DEAD PREZ (WTF is wrong with u guys?)
Anyway, it seems like everyone here thinks that once people get successful, they suck, and that all rap really has to be really deep to be good, but I think that even the most commercial shit can be good (even if it usually isnt) like some of those club bangaz are good songs u can listen to (ie Clipse)
Oh yeah, and Jay Z is good too (better than Nas) hahahaha

Edit: Does anybody know about any good Japanese rap? Like the beginning of Samurai Champloo (by the Nujabes)?

[Koyuki]

Originally posted by: SilentKnight
call me crazy if you want, but i kinda got sick of Tupac

i'm sure he's good and all, but the whole thug life thing never really appealed to me

I agree. Kinda got sick of that thug life. But he's better then the average

[oceen246]

I'm feeling Jim Jones right now, his album is crazy. Mase album is aight, a few good songs, could have been better though.

[SK]

i havent got mase yet, i think i want to get the terror squad album first.

[Shi_No_Shikaku]

I don't hate rap it's just not for me.... Ok Ninja Rap and Damn it Feels Good to be a Ganster (song for Office Space) kicked ass but that about it for me.

[oceen246]

Originally posted by: -Sharingan-Kakashi-
i havent got mase yet, i think i want to get the terror squad album first.


I heard Terror Squad album is really good, I didn't get a chance to listen to it yet though

[Hakeem_21]

Those of you that said that you got tired off Tupacs thug thing,if you lisened to the most of his song you know thats his doesnt sing only about thugs. Songs like Changes,Dear Mama and a lot of other songs prove that.

[Koyuki]

I know, but gangsta rap is just stupid. And all the morrons like Eminem &amp; and his crew

[SK]

i can listen to all types of rap, i jus listen to "gangsta" rap the most btw,
eminem= good
d12= bad
50 cent= good
g-unit= bad (except for yayo)

[shadowmantis]

I don't hate rap it's just not for me.... Ok Ninja Rap and Damn it Feels Good to be a Ganster (song for Office Space) kicked ass but that about it for me.

back up in your ass with the ressurrection!!

[mugen-x]

I love rap Nas and Jada are my favs anyone like the why remix with styles, common, nas and jada straight flames i can't tell who had the best verse common or nas but i'll go with nas by the way street disciple double lp in stores soon

[shadowmantis]

O_O was anyone able to read that in one go?

click for the ultimate collaboration, gza and jedi mind tricks (http://www.artofrhyme.com/audio/jmt_eve.ram)

[SK]

yeah i cant wait for his new album also mugen-x, have you heard his new song? its hot, but he is saying its not going to be on the new album

[mugen-x]

yeah i heard 3 new songs from nas, u know my style ,thief's theme and disciple wihich one are you talking about?

[SK]

i have all 3 also but i was talking about u know my style.

[mugen-x]

that u know my style is hot on some club shit but out of those 3 i like disciple the best he sounds like kool g rap on that and he used to be my fav before nas

[Hakeem_21]

There is new Nas songs and i didnt know iti/expressions/face-icon-small-tongue.gif

[SK]

ok has anyone heard that song by this guy Guerilla Black, he sounds exactly, i mean EXACTLY like Biggie, he is even as fat as Biggie, he even moves his lips like Biggie did. his song is called Compton i think if you want to try downloading if you dont believe me. (yes a guy who sounds exactly like Biggie is repping compton)

[SK]

i just bought talib kweli's (spelling?) new album the beautiful struggle, its great the music and lyrics are awesome. there should be more rap like this. anyone else picked it up?

[chambers]

i dont think its out over here yet.....so ill have to dl it to listen to it, but i like all his other stuff.

[Mut]

i recently got

the roots - the tipping point
talib kweli - the beautiful struggle
mos def - the new danger

two of the albums are good except mos def's. it's horrible.

btw, i claim:

talib - all the lonely people
- broken glass
- work it out

roots - duck down
- the web

now, since i claimed them, none of you can like those songs.

[SK]

i like the 1st one, going hard, and i try. we got the beat is kind of cool in a weird way also.
that new snoop and pharrel song is strangely addicting also...

[SK]

ive just got snoop, fabolous, nas, eminem, and 2Pac new cds. theyre all really good, snoop's r&amp;g has a lot of innovation, fabolous has a good flow and some awesome production, nas's street disciple is a 2 disk with 24 tracks i think, and some good songs, eminem's encore is nothing compared to his last two but the first 4 and last 4 songs are tight, and 2pac returned with loyal to the game produced by eminem but featuring a couple songs produced by eminem and then mixed by another producer the album shines with some good innovation including a song with elton john then some nice street anthems with jadakiss, g-unit, and obie trice.
(yay i found my thread i/expressions/face-icon-small-wink.gif

[Samanosuke]

a lot of you listen to shitty music.

[KameronFrye]

If you need something to search for, get into Jean Grae. She's good for you Brooklyn hip-hop fans (Talib, Mos Def, etc). Blackstarr (Talib + Mos Def doing Neo-Soul) is nice, as is Blackilicious. For shit you probably haven't heard of, get some Souls of Mischief or Del tha Funkee Homosapien, and some Hieroglyphics; all of these are on Del's label Hiero. And give Handsome Boy Modeling School a try, nice stuff there - Prince Paul and Dan the Automator producing songs featuring everyone from Jack Johnson to RZA w/ Mars Volta, Mike Patton (as in Faith No More/Dillinger Escape Plan singer), Del with Dave from De La Soul, Grand Puba and Sadat X, and so on. Grab anything Guru from Gangstarr did solo, all Jazz/Soul/R&amp;B fusions, especially Street Soul. Dr. Octagon has some phenominal beats, too. GZA's most recent cd isn't bad, I also like the new Ghostface. Babu from Dialated Peoples has a series of CDs called Hunting Season (I think that's the name) that's nice as well.

[chambers]

man snoop's album is terrible, but then i didnt expect it to be good at all TBH. i got talib kweli's the beautiful struggle, which is very good IMO.

[Gods_Son]

Black Star (Talib Kweli and Mos Def), Dilated Peoples, The Roots, 2pac, Jay-Z, Biggie, and Nas can all make good music. The name God's Son has nothing to do with Nas though. Illmatic is the only album of his that I really like.

[SK]

Loyal to the Game took over its all im listening to right now. i liked snoop's cd i like to hear something different instead of the same shit over and over ie. eminem and g-unit. if you havent heard pac's song with elton john then download it immediately its called Ghetto Gospel, i love the way the chorus is elton john singing with his piano then when it goes to pac's verse the beat drops hard its friggin tight.

[Mut]

personally, i don't like the new pac. pac's music is suppose to be gangster and west coast. the new album is all fairy-like, which pisses me off.

[x hypz x]

Originally posted by: Samanosuke
a lot of you listen to shitty music.

lol, werd.

[SK]

Originally posted by: Mut@t@
personally, i don't like the new pac. pac's music is suppose to be gangster and west coast. the new album is all fairy-like, which pisses me off.

better dayz was like that, loyal to the game isnt.

[KameronFrye]

Better Dayz was nothing but B-sides and other material Pac recorded during the Makaveli days, there was a good 2 CDs worth of stuff he did then. I didn't even bother with this new CD. I'm still absorbed in a lot of rock waiting on some new albums to drop right now, not much in the mainstream I'm really looking forward to as of current. December is bigger for DVDs, anyways.

[chambers]

just listened to ludacris' new album. hmmmmm dont think much of it, i was so impressed by the first 2 albums..... but these last ones have been off the ball IMO

[SK]

i dont like southern rap enough to buy it, but ill admit its alright. living in tampa now its all they play and it isnt bad, its more fun music, its meaningless, and not worth buying for me. ludicrius isnt bad though, the decision to go with another usher song for his first song was stupid imo.

[chambers]

hey s-k if you get a chnce listen to the last song on the album, called virgo, its got nas on it. best song on the album by a fucking mile.....althought maybe you already hear sit if thats all they play where you live

[Hakeem_21]

Snoop have become so bad,he was so good at the old day but now his rap voice is terrible ....

[SK]

i agree nothin is better than the old snoop, but i like rhythem and gangsta, its good change, sometimes i like to relax and chill, r &amp; g is perfect for that.
edit: if anyone has heard loyal to the game then you know 2pac gives shoutouts to jadakiss, g-unit, 50 cent, and obie trice, and also says 2005 on one of the songs. theyve already said when he says jada he is referring to jada pinkett smith his bestfriend, but what about the others?

[SK]

well 50 cent is makin news again he is on cover of xxl dissin nas, kelis, fat joe, ja rule, and jadakiss. man i think 50 needs to slow down he cant take on every rapper out there besides shady/aftermath, the way he is goin he'll end up dead i/expressions/face-icon-small-sad.gif

[kAi]

or just filled up with another couple of holes, hehe

[Deblas]

jayz is pretty good but im more of a rocker

[Jman]

^lmao so true.

rappers getting into beefs w/other rappers is so played out.

[SK]

deblas if you live in pr dont you listen to reggaeton?

[Deblas]

Originally posted by: -Sharingan-Kakashi-
deblas if you live in pr dont you listen to reggaeton?

not that much. daddy yankee's cool but its not really my type of music. still, I dont mind dancing iti/expressions/face-icon-small-happy.gif

[Hakeem_21]

Is there somwhere in Irc that i can find 2pac new album??

[SK]

you can find it on bi-torrent.com (any torrent site really)

[kAi]

#rap-albums or something similar on rizon do this.

/list "rap"

and you should find it, do it on rizon.

[Hakeem_21]

I have found it and its a great album. Have you guys heard it and what do you think?

[SK]

yeah i think its one of the best posthumous 2pac albums in a while.
did anyone watch the grammys, i thought hiphop was totally fucked in that award show, what was up with giving best new artist to maroon 5 who werent even up for best album, over kanye west who was up for best rap album AND album of the year, and why did they show all that boring country music shit, as if those redneck motherfuckers even watch the grammys. and lets face it, if ray charles hadnt died he wouldent have gotten all the grammys he was awarded, not tryin to hate on ray, but cmon...

[Turkish-S]

rap owns way more than metal or all that other shit u call music....

-Sharingan-Kakashi- east or west side??
for me. i just listen to good music i doesn't care where it came from or who made it

[SK]

im from the east coast, boston, but if its good ill listen to it, the only rap i really dont like is southern crunk music.

[Hakeem_21]

Kanye West is great its a shame he didnt win best album cause his album is great.

Grammys award suck bigtime when they let Britney Spears win.

[Turkish-S]

damn yeah that ho can't sing kanye can but hate that guy ...the fool is 2 confident and full of hissilf.

[Madell]

hip hop pwnze, Tupac is the best and eminem sucks hard
i really like the old school songs more then these new wannabe songs from wannabe rappers

[Turkish-S]

i'm with u Madell

[Hakeem_21]

Eminem sucks very hard and when some loser for a journalist wrote that Eminem is the greatest rapper of all time,i thought somebody please kill or atleast mei/expressions/face-icon-small-tongue.gif

[Madell]

indeed hakeem...omg my friends are going on about how good eminem is and 50, i can kill them mann

[shadowmantis]

im afraid this will result in a buncha bash replies, but hip hop died in the 90's. thats when it was at its best. then 23534652565427667 guys started making club songs and pissed on everything people like rakim and krs one created.

[SK]

yeah i agree a lot of hip hop today is garbage, its jus a lot of commercial shit and people in the suburbs dont know real hip hop and keep buyin it and supportin these fake ass rappers. the big companies see this and will keep pullin out garbage guys like lil flip, one of his lines is "ill treat you like milk, ill do nuttin but spoil you"
i wont say hip hop is dead, theres still a lot of good hip hop.

[Madell]

no hip hop isn't dead but yeah most if this rap scene of now is fake bitching. but i like mobb deep now and dmx atm they are making good raps i/expressions/face-icon-small-tongue.gif

[Mut]

DMX? Are you kidding? I am a pretty big DMX fan I think he sucked more every time he released an album. It's Dark and Hell is Hot is one of my favorite albums. DMX's second album was also good. But after that, it just started sucking.

Rap was at its best from mid 90's to late 90's. That was the epitome of rap.

[kAi]

i don't know people hate eminem so much, he is a good lyracist i like him, mainly his old stuff and unrealesed stuff, his new stuff aint nothing really, some good songs here there, but he usually does good featurings.

but the best rapper of all time for me is Notorious B.I.G, i think he's awesome, his voice, lyrics, beats, everything.

[Mut]

Everyone go download Infinite by Eminem. That album is just insane.

[SK]

even em says infinite sucked....

[Hakeem_21]

Em sucks cause he doesnt have the voice for rap,

DMX on the other has a voice for rap.

99% av all hip hop suck nowdays you just have to find 1% that are good like Nas,DMX,Most Def etc

[DO]

I think you mean Underground Hip hop/ Rap is the real music like:
Immortal Technique, Vast aire, Cannibal Ox, Jedi Mind Tricks, Mos Def , Mr.Lif .

I could keep going with names but of course we cant forget Tupac.

[SK]

thats the problem people now think jus because a rapper goes "commercial" that he sucks, but rap is still good even if its "commercial"

[shadowmantis]

I told you fools before, I stay with the tools
I keep a Benz, some rims, and some jewels
I holla at a hoe til I got a bitch confused
She got on Payless, me I got on gator shoes
I'm shopping for chinchillas, in the summer they cheaper
Man this hoe you can have her, when I'm done I ain't gon keep her
Man, bitches come and go, every nigga pimpin know
You saying it's secret, but you ain't gotta keep it on the low

that's dumbing down humanity

[Hakeem_21]

Underground is overrated cause people think if you are underground you are good.

It doesnt matter if underground or commercial if you are good.

[shadowmantis]

im pretty sure many underground artists would kill to be signed with a major label. still, there's a few of them who are happy with what they're doing. i think everyone should check illogic, just for the fact that he does what he likes. his lyrics have a meaning, they are "deep" and you can receive them in a different way every time. whoever calls himself a pimp in a song (and is being serious about it) loses whatever interest i had in hearing his music.
all in all, there's shit underground music, yes. but you can find more talent and meaningful texts in that scene, than in top 40. fucking pimps and gangstas.

[chambers]

im not sure abotu talent..... just because someone can rap with more deep and meaningfull lyrics doesnt mean he has more talent. but there are defo more deep and meaning full songs in the underground than in the top 40. in any country. in almost any type of music.

[SK]

it really all depends on what type of rap you like, if you like more political rap than gangsta rap youll probably prefer underground. even if you dont like commerical rap check out the game's documentary, its a classic in my opinion. after hearing all the drama about 50 vs everyone i like the game even more for seperating himself from 50 and sayin he was never really part of g-unit. g-unit wanted the game so they can get street cred because there all softies.

[JusDaMan]

fitty is STUPID.... his dumb ass is starting with everyone... now he having a dam war against game, nas, fat joe, jad? naw man.... this gonna be tupac biggy all over again(not counting the east vs west)

how was fitty not part of g-unit??? he was a founder....

[Jman]

50's apparently getting in on the video game scene. I think it's just an attempting at getting some more recognition with this GTA ripoff
Also check out this (http://www.mtv.com/news/articles/1497682/20050302/jadakiss.jhtml?headlines=true) story

[SK]

man this is a joke fuck 50 im sick of this negative mofo tryin to swing at everyone, now he is goin after one of his own camp. 50 is jus a wannabe, he better watch it or game's bloods will shoot him up...
EDIT: to jusdaman i was sayin that the game says he was never part of g-unit.
EDIT2: has anyone gotten The Massacre yet?

[DeluxSkillz]

lol game was yelling fuck 50, fuck g-unit etc on one of his concerts, this whole beef is funny to me, lol i downloaded the massacare and it's a bunch of crap seriously, 50 was talking shit when he said it was gonna be better then Get Rich or Die Trying

[shadowmantis]

you guys do understand that when a rapper says 'this is gonna be the best &lt;something&gt;', or 'this is gonna be better than &lt;something&gt;', he actually means 'this is gonna sound exactly like 54324234 albums before it', right? i/expressions/face-icon-small-tongue.gif its just crap talk for promotional purpouses.

[SK]

lol yeah im tryin to decide between buying the massacre or the documentary, i already have the documentary burnt but i want to buy it cuz its so good.

[Xollence]

Have you guys ever heard of Thought Breakers (https://http://www.thoughtbreakers.com/media.htm)? They're an underground hip hop group in New Jersey. Listen to some of their stuff, it's really good.

[Hellraiser]

Quick question: What's the difference between rap and hip-hop?

[kAi]

lol yeah im tryin to decide between buying the massacre or the documentary, i already have the documentary burnt but i want to buy it cuz its so good.
get the documentary, listen to the massacre first it to see if you like it, aint that good well i didn't really like it.
some songs

[SK]

theres some good underground stuff in my hometown, theres a group called triad and this guy nox who just got signed.
to hellraiser, hip hop is a culture, rap is a genre of
EDIT: i thought this was funny
http://poststuff4.entensity.net/031605/50game.jpg

[Turkish-S]

hey does one of u know bone thugs-n-harmony they are goooddd...
best is gangster bounce.

[Mut]

Bone sucks. They're really not that good, especially since you can't understand what 3/4 of them are saying.

[SK]

lol theyre style influenced hip hop in the 90s in a big way though, look at dre and snoop. anyway im listenin to more underground shit than anything anymore. guy by a name of papoose yall should check out.

[Ioz]

the wu-tang ownes all

[SK]

kanye has a new single out called Diamonds, everyone download. now.

[Turkish-S]

k give the torrent -.-

[SK]

limewire...

[Kardiva]

Originally posted by: -Sharingan-Kakashi-
kanye has a new single out called Diamonds, everyone download. now.

yea yea, i just heard it yesterday, i really like it. i dont really like kanye west though, but this song is off the charts

[SK]

yea its a great song, should be blowin up soon...

[Turkish-S]

rab battle (http://www.lookatentertainment.com/v/v-36.htm)

a chinese guy owns a black guy.

[SK]

thats jin...he's signed to ruff ryders now.