TV: Game of Thrones [Archive] - Page 2

Ryllharu

Mon, 04-22-2013, 08:08 PM

Damn, I'm so used to seeing Sansa's upset/sad that when she was smiling with Margaery, I thought she was a different actress for a split second.

Also, Diana Rigg as Lady Olenna has to be one of the best casting decisions of all time, in all media. She is absolutely owning that role. For a character introduced this season, she feels like she's been involved in the King's Landing backbiting the whole time. Must be all about experience.

Brienne telling Jamie to stop being such a woman...hah. The pair have really been a highlight.

And Daenerys, that part of the scene where she speaks to the unsullied means she's heard and understood everything, every insult, ever traitorous comment that the slave-dealer has spoken. Hilarious. The translator's shock more than gave that revelation away. He doesn't even realize it until later. It's impossible not to root for Daenerys.

Sapphire

Mon, 04-22-2013, 09:15 PM

Okay, I love Daeny and all, but she needs to calm down. I really wouldn't want her crazy ass to be queen. I mean burning the shit out of EVERYONE in the town just because the pompous slave guy calls you a bitch a few times? All right, when I remember that he was ripping guys nipples off, it seems pretty justified. But Daeny is seriously going to turn into the mad queen too if she isn't careful.

Actually NONE of these contestants in this game of thrones seem like competent rulers in any way, shape or form. I'd rather move to the north and become a wild jungle bitch and try my luck against the Others than have to live in poverty under these wack jobs. Hell, I'd rather JOIN the Others. They look like they're having fun. People are either scared shitless of them or have no idea they exist.

Eunuch and Tyrion's conversation was so hilarious. He was probably planning to tell Tyrion about the fact that he caught the evil sorcerer who ruined him no matter what Tyrion came to him with. Wise sage segue skills.

Agreed w/ Ryl, Diana Rigg is a badass actress. She is fire. I knew that from the second I saw her. So that's what being the master of your craft looks like, huh? She was GORGEOUS back in the day, btw. Admittedly, I'm loving every single role, though. HBO handles their casting perfectly. (Not counting True Blood...).

The guy from Misfits plays the guy who has Theon captive in this show. He's all pasty and scary and plays fucked up psychological games. A future Joffrey, perhaps? Joffrey -wishes- he had the balls to torture someone with his own hands.

None of Tywin's kids feel the love from Tywin at all, do they? I imagine Jaime gets the most love, and I also imagine Jaime cares the least. Foolish Cersei and poor Tyrion got the short end of his love. :/ Tywin's still really awesome, though. I'm so glad they have all these sexy elderly powerhouses in the show.

I almost feel sorry for Sansa. If she had the good sense, she'd realize that she's being pulled between Littlefinger and the Tyrells. She should go with Littlefinger. He genuinely loves her, or at least her mom. Otherwise she'd just be stuck with Loras, and that means no getting laid + getting dragged into the Tyrell's affairs and conniving (and possibly discarded by them). Margaery is one of the best characters in the show, but it's pretty obvious she's using Sansa's stupidity to her advantage so her family can gain control of the north.

Carnage

Mon, 04-22-2013, 09:54 PM

Splash!

Tue, 04-23-2013, 12:00 AM

I almost feel sorry for Sansa. If she had the good sense, she'd realize that she's being pulled between Littlefinger and the Tyrells. She should go with Littlefinger. He genuinely loves her, or at least her mom

Say what?! You really think she should trust him after the way he backstabbed Ned? :/
Also, I don't find littlefinger so cool anymore after finding out he is been putting the whole kingdom in a shitload of debt. I like Varys a hell of a lot more. They could make a whole show about the conversations between Tyrion and Varys.

Also, was it just me or did Danaerys look 10x hotter in this episode. Maybe it was just a consequence of all the epicness.

Tue, 04-23-2013, 12:54 AM

The dynamic between Varys and Littlefinger is even more apparent now that we know Littlefinger was secretly bankrupting the realm. Varys, as he was saying a lot in season 1 to Ned in the dungeons, is the "servant of the realm". His machinations are in service of the stability of the kingdom (if also at times self-serving, such as capturing the sorcerer who gelded him as a boy). Whereas Littlefinger only serves the realm by accident in pursuit of enriching himself, and as this season reveals has actively worked to screw the realm over badly (he could hardly be unaware of the consequences of borrowing so much money)

Archangel

Tue, 04-23-2013, 11:29 AM

Welp, Daenery's plan was so fucking obvious. Even if she didn't know the language from the get go the slaver even gave her an interpreter, how did he not see it coming? That and i found it a little too unbelievable how they all decided to keep following her after she dropped the whip. I get they're grateful but that was pretty quick for years of brainwashing.

And it's impressive how the Night's Watch lasted as much as they did, you starve and insult a bunch of thieves and murderers and expect them to follow through with the ideals of an organization they were forced into in the first place? I wonder what Jon Snow will do now, is there even a Night's Watch anymore?

What's the point of Sansa anymore? Or better yet, what was her point in the first place? Every time they change the setting to her i find myself thinking it would be time better spent elsewhere. She's the most uninteresting Stark in the show and it's not like her Status Quo has changed much ever since the start of season 2.

These are overall just small gripes though, the show itself is as interesting as ever.

The dynamic between Varys and Littlefinger is even more apparent now that we know Littlefinger was secretly bankrupting the realm. Varys, as he was saying a lot in season 1 to Ned in the dungeons, is the "servant of the realm". His machinations are in service of the stability of the kingdom (if also at times self-serving, such as capturing the sorcerer who gelded him as a boy). Whereas Littlefinger only serves the realm by accident in pursuit of enriching himself, and as this season reveals has actively worked to screw the realm over badly (he could hardly be unaware of the consequences of borrowing so much money)

Oh shit, you're right! It's brilliant how he worked all these years to fuck the system from within so he could take it all from himself. Now i really get what Varys meant when he said he'd burn the realm to rule over the ashes.

Tue, 04-23-2013, 12:35 PM

Welp, Daenery's plan was so fucking obvious. Even if she didn't know the language from the get go the slaver even gave her an interpreter, how did he not see it coming? That and i found it a little too unbelievable how they all decided to keep following her after she dropped the whip. I get they're grateful but that was pretty quick for years of brainwashing.

Look at it this way. The Unsullied are trained to follow the symbol of their master. Which is a more potent symbol: the whip, or the dragons of the queen who just incinerated the head slave master and burned and sacked Astapor? Dany doesn't need a dorky freakin' whip to show she's their master now.

And it's impressive how the Night's Watch lasted as much as they did, you starve and insult a bunch of thieves and murderers and expect them to follow through with the ideals of an organization they were forced into in the first place? I wonder what Jon Snow will do now, is there even a Night's Watch anymore?

There were men left behind at Castle Black, as well as men at Eastwatch-by-the-Sea and the other one I don't know the name of. But this is a heavy blow for the Night's Watch. Who knows how many of these men who remain loyal will even make it back alive, and Castle Black is the great Night's Watch stronghold. Also the big problem, as you state, is that it used to be a great honor to join the Night's Watch, and now the only people who do it voluntarily are those who are lied into believing it was some grand defense of the kingdom like Jon. The rest are the worst dregs of society, hardly worthy of forming the "shield to guard the realms of men".

What's the point of Sansa anymore? Or better yet, what was her point in the first place? Every time they change the setting to her i find myself thinking it would be time better spent elsewhere. She's the most uninteresting Stark in the show and it's not like her Status Quo has changed much ever since the start of season 2.

Sansa is pretty much a window into parts of the world in King's Landing. She is definitely one of the most uninteresting characters, either in the book or the show. Catelyn is another Stark who pretty much makes the same kind of super depressing speech every time we see her but otherwise contributes little.

Archangel

Tue, 04-23-2013, 12:58 PM

Look at it this way. The Unsullied are trained to follow the symbol of their master. Which is a more potent symbol: the whip, or the dragons of the queen who just incinerated the head slave master and burned and sacked Astapor? Dany doesn't need a dorky freakin' whip to show she's their master now.
I can get behind that. My problem would be if they suddenly started thinking and acting as free men, but i guess Daenerys little speech was more for her own benefit than anything else.

There were men left behind at Castle Black, as well as men at Eastwatch-by-the-Sea and the other one I don't know the name of. But this is a heavy blow for the Night's Watch. Who knows how many of these men who remain loyal will even make it back alive, and Castle Black is the great Night's Watch stronghold. Also the big problem, as you state, is that it used to be a great honor to join the Night's Watch, and now the only people who do it voluntarily are those who are lied into believing it was some grand defense of the kingdom like Jon. The rest are the worst dregs of society, hardly worthy of forming the "shield to guard the realms of men".

Yes, but without a leader what good are they? Jon Snow's plan was to be the inside man but now what good is he in his position? There's nobody to stop either the White Walkers or the "king beyond the wall", unless they stop each other.

Splash!

Tue, 04-23-2013, 01:48 PM

Oh shit, you're right! It's brilliant how he worked all these years to fuck the system from within so he could take it all from himself. Now i really get what Varys meant when he said he'd burn the realm to rule over the ashes.

I am not entirely sure how 'brilliant' the idea was. It is really through the lens of other smart characters in the show (like Tyrion or Varys) that you see that while he may be a bit smarter than some of the other idiots at King's Landing, the real problem is his malicious intent. I am not entirely convinced that screwing the entire kingdom over is the best way to be self-serving. If I were the bank looking to collect, I would pay special attention to the treasurer at the time the debt was incurred just as much as the king. If they would go as far as funding a rebellion to overthrow the current king, then surely they would also want to make an example of the culprits who had a direct hand in creating the huge collection hassle. Being resourceful enough to replace regimes, I am sure they could spread some additional coin to trace it back to littlefinger.

lilphatboi88

Wed, 04-24-2013, 08:14 PM

Sansa is pretty much a window into parts of the world in King's Landing. She is definitely one of the most uninteresting characters, either in the book or the show. Catelyn is another Stark who pretty much makes the same kind of super depressing speech every time we see her but otherwise contributes little.

I feel like your comments are spoiling it for me. For some reason it feels as though you know Sansa and Catelyn are not going to be playing any important roles throughout the rest of the series.

Please correct me if I'm wrong, I haven't read the book. So please be careful not to spoil it for others.

Animeniax

Wed, 04-24-2013, 08:29 PM

Wed, 04-24-2013, 08:59 PM

I feel like your comments are spoiling it for me. For some reason it feels as though you know Sansa and Catelyn are not going to be playing any important roles throughout the rest of the series.

Please correct me if I'm wrong, I haven't read the book. So please be careful not to spoil it for others.

My comments are in no way a spoiler. If I were to correct you, it would be a spoiler, because I would be revealing to you the extent that Sansa/Catelyn play a role in upcoming plots. My comments are obviously in the context of "so far in the show, X" with regards to the roles Sansa and Catelyn have played thus far and my opinion on their plotline.

Abdula

Wed, 04-24-2013, 09:31 PM

Has anyone else read the books before watching the series? I'm having a hard time watching the show because it conflicts with images in my mind from when I read the book (like Boromir as head of House Stark). I've seen most of the first episode but can't get past it.

Yeah I read the books before I watched the series. I thought the first season was pretty good but haven't really been into it since then. It is not so much because of the changes but that the characters and the character interaction which is what makes the show interesting are far less so once you know the general plot. I'm not current but if you liked ASoIaF or just good political intrique you should get past your rather trivial gripe and watch the show.

I feel like your comments are spoiling it for me. For some reason it feels as though you know Sansa and Catelyn are not going to be playing any important roles throughout the rest of the series. Just watch the show though

Please correct me if I'm wrong, I haven't read the book. So please be careful not to spoil it for others.
Yeah it is not spoiling to say that those two are uninteresting characters. Sansa in particular is just a bore, Stannis is another rather boring character and it has nothing to do with what role he has in the plot.

Wed, 04-24-2013, 10:53 PM

Yeah it is not spoiling to say that those two are uninteresting characters. Sansa in particular is just a bore, Stannis is another rather boring character and it has nothing to do with what role he has in the plot.

I don't find Stannis boring at all, either in the books or in the show. Well, maybe Stannis himself is a bit droll, but his motivations are complex and he has a great supporting cast (Melisandre, Davos, Sallador Sahn).

Abdula

Wed, 04-24-2013, 11:36 PM

Exactly. I think Stannis by himself is a boring character but he has the most interesting people around him. Personally I think the show should be about Stannis, Daenerys and Jon. Their 3 factions are the only ones with any legitimacy. All the rest are motivated by greed, a desire for revenge or just plain old self interest.

Augury

Wed, 04-24-2013, 11:40 PM

Has anyone else read the books before watching the series? I'm having a hard time watching the show because it conflicts with images in my mind from when I read the book (like Boromir as head of House Stark). I've seen most of the first episode but can't get past it.
I also read the books before watching the series. There were definitely conflicts between how I imagined the characters and how they cast them in the show. Arya, Jon, and Littlefinger in particular were very different than what I expected. However, I think that the overall acting and directing has made this a minor point. It was a better move for them to make casting decisions based on acting ability rather than whoever looked the part, and there really isn't a large enough pool of talented actors (child actors in particular) that can make fitting the image perfectly a reality.

Yeah it is not spoiling to say that those two are uninteresting characters. Sansa in particular is just a bore, Stannis is another rather boring character and it has nothing to do with what role he has in the plot.
Part of what's great about this show is that every character is a shade of gray rather than black or white. I agree with Y that Stannis is rather dry and rigid at first glance, but isn't so simple underneath. Sansa also has her own share of drama and has been (poorly) navigating through the political treachery in King's Landing, but with so many different types of characters its no surprise that not every character is going to be appealing to a viewer.

Abdula

Wed, 04-24-2013, 11:58 PM

I agree with you completely except that Sansa is unappealing by design. First of all she is incredibly naive and incompetent and both of those qualities get people killed. If that wasn't bad enough she seems like she would betray anyone for no more than a girlish whim. Most damning of all she thought she was in love with Joffrey and she should have been killed for that alone. The funny thing is that of all the characters in the show she would probably be the most likely to survive because no one at all considers her a threat.

Animeniax

Thu, 04-25-2013, 12:43 AM

You're being kind of harsh on a little girl whose entire life up until Joffrey was dreams of being a princess.

Splash!

Thu, 04-25-2013, 01:07 AM

I agree with you completely except that Sansa is unappealing by design.

Her Stark contrast to Arya probably doesn't help her cause either.

Abdula

Thu, 04-25-2013, 01:22 AM

Exactly

You're being kind of harsh on a little girl whose entire life up until Joffrey was dreams of being a princess.
Undoubtedly but not unduly so. Her life pretty much since she left Winterfell has been worse.

Ryllharu

Thu, 04-25-2013, 03:50 AM

Back to the current episode, I found the fact that Melissandre's Spirit of Light cult was spreading to the rebels incredibly disturbing.

It's not like they're worshiping the old gods like the wildings, or something like that. The audience (and the salty smuggler, Brienne and Catelyn) have witnessed the results of following such beliefs, and it is quite plainly demon worship.

Praying to the old gods will never turn a fetus into a shadow demon, the act of doing so also damaging a man's life force at the same time, as she told Stannis why she wouldn't give him another one. Not to mention all the brainwashing, making it obvious that she chose Stannis not because he was a strong fighter, or a righteous man, or even a good leader, but because he was the easiest to manipulate.

lilphatboi88

Thu, 04-25-2013, 04:27 AM

Sapphire

Thu, 04-25-2013, 10:44 AM

Sansa isn't that bad. She's the key to the north, as they say.

If anything, they should cut Robb's boring scenes. What's he doing all day other than being angry at his mother and banging a woman he's not supposed to be banging (which WON'T end well)?

Thu, 04-25-2013, 12:17 PM

If the book shows that Sansa's storyline is so boring and the director can tell all this from the critics and other reviews, why don't they just cut her scenes. She gets way too much screen time. She is pretty, so at least make her more interesting if you're going to give her so much screen time.

Again, you complain about spoilers and then ask a question like "why doesn't the director just remove Sansa from the plot?" Is there any answer to this question that isn't a spoiler?

Ryllharu

Thu, 04-25-2013, 02:33 PM

I agree with Saph, if there are anyone's scenes who should be abbreviated or reduced as much as possible, it's Robb's. Which says a lot, considering he already has the least screen time of any of the Starks older than 12. Sure, he's important in the grand scheme of things...but he has had negative character development going on the past 8 episodes.

He's either "really good as a commander," making upset faces at his mother (which should be a *way* more interesting storyline considering what she did releasing Jamie), or flirting in really boring ways with his wife.

lilphatboi88

Thu, 04-25-2013, 07:29 PM

Again, you complain about spoilers and then ask a question like "why doesn't the director just remove Sansa from the plot?" Is there any answer to this question that isn't a spoiler?

That's cuz someone earlier said Sansa and Catelyn in the book and show aren't significant. I pick up spoilers when someone tries not to spoil.

Thu, 04-25-2013, 09:02 PM

That's cuz someone earlier said Sansa and Catelyn in the book and show aren't significant. I pick up spoilers when someone tries not to spoil.

You pick up spoilers that aren't there because you read posts badly and then ask for straight up spoilers. I was the poster who said Sansa and Catelyn are boring in both the books in the show and I clarified that I was referring to the show not having improved their so-far boring character arcs, not indicative of future material.

Carnage

Fri, 04-26-2013, 12:46 AM

I'm a little confused why they've continued bringing up the boy's sex talent with the whores. At first I thought it was just Lord Baelish repaying Tyrion but am I missing something here? Why do they keep bringing it up? Or did they just use it as a literary device to bring up the talent of the ex-whore who works for Varys?

Yukimura

Fri, 04-26-2013, 12:55 AM

I think the point of several of the 'boring' Starks is to play the roles of the traditional 'good guys' to reflect how silly, ineffective, and downright uninteresting those sorts of characters are in as un fairy-tale like world as the ASoIF universe. Ned was the good and honest man who always tried to do the 'right' thing by the standards of traditional fantasy. Robb is the young hero who is driven to take up arms in righteous rebellion against the powerful and evil foe that has wronged him. Sansa is the princess who sits in a tower and waits for Prince Charming to come and rescue her because she can't do anything for herself. Catelyn is the myopic mother who is so focused on the immediate safety of her family that she can't make sound strategic judgements that account for the world at large.

While I find their motivations and lack of efficacy rather dull I think it's interesting having them around as something of a 'good/neutral' party on the morality scale to reflect how much more successful and effective the schemers and plotters are at achieving their goals than the upstanding and morally courageous types who can't seem to get much for all their righteousness and senses of propriety. I also find it interesting that all of the Starks who seem to fail so miserably are the heads/first-borns of the Stark line. While the the illegitimate/second children, have gone in a rather different direction and have amply demonstrated a superior ability to roll with the punches the world keeps throwing at them and keep going strong.

Fri, 04-26-2013, 02:05 AM

lilphatboi88

Fri, 04-26-2013, 09:45 AM

It's a funny running joke? Not everything has to be this incredible plot foreshadowing or w/e.

Yeah. I think the point is to add a bit of humor to the show, but also, it does show that sexual performance has always been a rampant theme throughout time.

Penner

Sat, 04-27-2013, 08:32 AM

True story.

1493

Sapphire

Sat, 04-27-2013, 11:15 AM

Oh wow. That... was really amazing.

lilphatboi88

Sat, 04-27-2013, 04:54 PM

That is not a flattering pic of Khaleesi.

Penner

Mon, 04-29-2013, 08:44 AM

Mmmmmmmm Ygritte, go Jon Snow!

Cersei's plan backfired in a hilarious way lol
Btw, did anyone else think Tywin looked almost cross-eyed at points in that scene?

Loved the scene with Jamie/Brienne in the bath.

Ryllharu

Mon, 04-29-2013, 04:19 PM

Mon, 04-29-2013, 06:49 PM

Brienne's skin was positively glistening. The actress has an excellent figure (at the worst her behind-body-double does), it was hard to tell under the armor. Major bonus points for Jamie being a champ about getting cut apart by a psychopathic doctor and getting his stump boiled in wine all without painkillers.

Having Brienne "clean up nicely" is pretty ridiculous, but such are the concessions for television. She's great for the role, much like Tyrion, I don't need them to actually be ugly.

The Cult of Light is really starting to creep me out. I worry about the young blacksmith, true heir to the Baratheon throne. He's definitely going to get brainwashed.

Although Gendry is Robert's bastard child, he has no actual claim of legitimacy to the throne since he was not a product of the royal marriage. But such things aren't the most salient concern, as Renly pointed out. Hell, Robert wasn't "legitimate" when he seized power himself.

The scenes between Stannis' daughter and the Onion Knight were cute. I wouldn't mind seeing the two of them flee and join the pirates.

I'm glad we're meeting Stannis's wife and daughter, who iirc were only mentioned in passing last season, making me think they got cut.

Sansa is totally like Princess Peach. Wanted by everyone, but completely vapid and naive.

I think she *was* vapid and naive. She isn't the sharpest tool in the shed but she had murder in her eyes coming after Joffrey after Ned's execution, and then had to basically shut down in order to survive inside King's Landing. She is traumatized all to hell and being spun different ways by master manipulators, it's a wonder she hasn't lost her mind.

Ryllharu

Mon, 04-29-2013, 08:02 PM

I think she *was* vapid and naive. She isn't the sharpest tool in the shed but she had murder in her eyes coming after Joffrey after Ned's execution, and then had to basically shut down in order to survive inside King's Landing. She is traumatized all to hell and being spun different ways by master manipulators, it's a wonder she hasn't lost her mind.While all true, I'd like to see her be a little bit more like her brothers and sister, not just being a tool used by everyone that comes to King's Landing. She's as well educated as the rest of the Starks, and while their family are certainly the least experienced to the backbiting of court, Sansa should be better than the rest of them at it by now. Certainly better than fumbling Robb, losing half his army by not being harsh enough the first time, then being too strong the next time.

Yet she still believes whoever smiles at her...

It's hard watching her get emotionally destroyed each season. Everyone else fights against what fate has dealt them, Sansa just lets it all happen to her.

Archangel

Mon, 04-29-2013, 08:05 PM

Loved the ending, eat shit Cersei! I'm worried she'll have the Tyrel homo killed though, bitch is relentless.

iMUSTbeTHEdevil

Mon, 04-29-2013, 08:13 PM

Tyrion Lannister and Sansa Stark 4 EVA!

oyabun

Mon, 04-29-2013, 08:18 PM

Great things happens when you have these 3 Lannisters in one room.

lilphatboi88

Tue, 04-30-2013, 05:20 AM

Sansa is so naive because she grew up so pretty.

So now this means Baelish knows the Tyrell's plan, which the Lannister's now know. How will the Tyrell's let the Lannister's get away with this? Something's gotta give.

oyabun

Tue, 04-30-2013, 06:21 AM

Like Tywin said, it is still a Tyrell plot. The Lannisters just need to move first and announce their plan before the Tyrells. At that point they can't complain and oppose anymore.

lilphatboi88

Tue, 04-30-2013, 06:21 PM

Why would Lord Baelish let Sansa be wed to the Lannisters? Or even help them? IIRC, Baelish wanted Sansa for himself or as a prize/hostage to get Lady Catelyn.

Penner

Tue, 04-30-2013, 10:31 PM

Let her be wed to the Lannisters? I don't really think there's much he can do to stop Tywin from just doing what he wants lol

lilphatboi88

Wed, 05-01-2013, 05:06 AM

He can just kidnap and go to wherever he was supposed to go. He's leaving for home or something right?

oyabun

Wed, 05-01-2013, 08:27 PM

Knowing lord Baelish, he prolly have something in plan. He needs Sansa as a bargaining chip for Catelyn.

lilphatboi88

Thu, 05-02-2013, 03:45 PM

What other options did Robb have besides killing the Karstark? Any chance he could reason with him and still gain respect out of it?

shinta|hikari

Thu, 05-02-2013, 07:21 PM

Hold him hostage like his wife and mother suggested?

lilphatboi88

Thu, 05-02-2013, 09:21 PM

Well Karstark was trying to prove a point that Robb was weak/soft, calling him a pussy because he doesn't want to kill anyone. If he had let him live, everyone would still think he is weak.

shinta|hikari

Thu, 05-02-2013, 11:22 PM

Holding a lord hostage to control his army isn't weak, it's smart.

If he had let the guy go free, that would be weak.

Even if his people did see it as weakness, at least he still had a full army. It might have even been seen as mercy. Of course, there might be negative effects in the hostage scenario as well, such as some groups losing trust in their leader, but it would still be better than losing half his army.

Sapphire

Thu, 05-02-2013, 11:57 PM

Killing the guy was weak AND stupid. Weak because he acted out of anger and stupid because the consequences were insane losses.

lilphatboi88

Fri, 05-03-2013, 01:04 AM

If you hold their Lord hostage, their army will rebel. For some reason, it was kind of weird that Karstark's army didn't rebel after their Lord got executed.

Splash!

Fri, 05-03-2013, 01:11 AM

Robb hasn't made the best of decisions but I don't think holding Rickard Karstark captive would have done much to 'control' his army. Sure he could have kept the army intact for just a bit longer but those Karstark men would hardly be loyal to him. They would probably seek out the first opportunity to rescue their lord and backstab him.

Robb lost control of half of his army by losing control of Rickard Karstark. It was too little too late to salvage the situation. I dont think he had any choice but to cut them loose.

lilphatboi88

Fri, 05-03-2013, 01:18 AM

Does Robb even have a plan? I guess at this point, I'd be frustrated knowing Robb isn't in control.

oyabun

Fri, 05-03-2013, 01:25 AM

There's one more trouble brewing in the east thought, the Frey of the twins. I guess he plans to resolve that.

Fri, 05-03-2013, 12:03 PM

If you hold their Lord hostage, their army will rebel. For some reason, it was kind of weird that Karstark's army didn't rebel after their Lord got executed.

They basically did rebel. Going home in defiance of Robb's wishes is open rebellion against him.

He was screwed from the moment Catelyn released Jaime. Karstark was bound to act in retaliation for that and once he did there were no good options left. He would have showed his utter lack of authority by letting Karstark commit clandestine executions in his own camp. As Splash! pointed out, if Karstark could just kill people with impunity and Robb lets him out with a slap on the wrist, it would create a power vacuum that would be filled by Karstark himself or any other of Robb's power-hungry bannermen.

Splash!

Fri, 05-03-2013, 02:36 PM

The actions of that stupid uncle (the one who couldn't shoot the drifting corpse) have come back to haunt Robb in the worst possible way. If only he hadn't gone after the kids in the first place and completely screwed up Robb's plans to corner Gregor Clegane...

lilphatboi88

Fri, 05-03-2013, 04:00 PM

So true...maybe Robb just has very incapable commanders under him.

Sapphire

Mon, 05-06-2013, 01:46 AM

I feel like your comments are spoiling it for me. For some reason it feels as though you know Sansa and Catelyn are not going to be playing any important roles throughout the rest of the series.

Please correct me if I'm wrong, I haven't read the book. So please be careful not to spoil it for others.

This is true, actually. It's pretty obvious Y is speaking from a more developed (from book) understanding of the plot points and motivations of the characters.

Like how Lord Baelish gives two shits about the realm was only touched upon and hinted at until the scene where he says "chaos is a ladder," but Y talks about it from a "fully informed" stand point. Good bye, epic blossom of character development I could have experienced. :(

Mon, 05-06-2013, 02:04 AM

Sapphire

Mon, 05-06-2013, 02:20 AM

What the hell are you on about? Varys, as Arch quoted, says that Littlefinger "would burn down the realm to be king of the ashes" a few episodes ago, along with the revelation that he was bankrupting the realm. It's not something I'm spoiling, it's something that is explicitly spelled out in the episode I'm commenting on.

Are you really such a jackass that you're blaming me for the fact that other people are reading spoilers out of my posts?

Like I said, it was hinted at (eunuch's opinion, could have been wrong) and never fully admitted to until Baelish said it himself. Notice the atmosphere of the scene that indicates revelation.

Leave it to you to get your panties all up in a bunch and get defensive without taking a hint to lay off the "correcting" people so hard. Well, whatever, I'll just put you on ignore until the season's over so I can enjoy the rest of people's posts (somehow they know how not to spoiler).

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There's almost too much epicness in this episode to talk about.

Tywin is such a badass. I wouldn't say he asks for greatness, strives for it or even demands it. These things imply that there is some sort of motivation behind acquiring it. He just dwells in it. He never stops. I mean, seven kingdoms? All these people are killing themselves for one damn throne and he has seven kingdoms, and that's like monopoly property to him. I mean, how much reach

Like Baelish and the eunuch, he's learned that it's far more frugal to command things from behind the scenes and let someone else be stupidly in the spotlight.

I'm not sure if he's a douche to his kids because he hates them, or if he's just a hardass all the time and is good at acting charming to get what he wants. I'm willing to guess that he's a dick to anyone he thinks is incompetent, even if it means being a dick to his own kids. He genuinely enjoyed Maerge's grandma's company, which was a sight to see. I imagine his wife was equally as witty and charming, which is why it hit him so hard when she died. I need some more charming Tywin!

Thank god Daeny wasn't in this ep. I love her and all, but I was getting tired of watching her burn EVERYTHING. Is she starting to feel one dimensional for anyone else? I'd love to see a damn soft side or some weakness, or something.

Mon, 05-06-2013, 02:22 AM

Leave it to you to get your panties all up in a bunch and get defensive without taking a hint to lay off the "correcting" people so hard. Well, whatever, I'll just put you on ignore until the season's over so I can enjoy the rest of people's posts (somehow they know how not to spoiler).

This is my last post in your shit thread, asshole.

EDIT:

You already posted that you spoiled yourself so this whole exchange is literally just you blowing smoke up your ass because you think you're a great poster who can pretend to not have read the books better than me.

Sapphire

Mon, 05-06-2013, 02:42 AM

This is my last post in your shit thread, asshole.

EDIT:

You already posted that you spoiled yourself so this whole exchange is literally just you blowing smoke up your ass because you think you're a great poster who can pretend to not have read the books better than me.

Wow, I know I said I'd put you on ignore but I had to see what sort of knee-jerk response you'd have within seconds of me writing something

This obviously isn't "my" shit thread, I'm just the gal who started it. If anything it's "your" shit thread since you've contributed the most (shit?) in terms of post count. You rly should see a therapist, for reasons obvious btw.

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Speaking of therapists, I don't really see how Cersei is getting the shit end of the deal by marrying Loras? Loras is a nice guy, and it's pretty common knowledge to everyone but Sansa that he's gay. So she'll have a position of power and basically get to bang whoever she wants while he bangs whoever he wants (until it's time to have babies, anyway). If anything, they'll probably have separate chambers.

oyabun

Mon, 05-06-2013, 03:37 AM

She hates the Tyrells too much even if it is the smart move for them. At this point Cersei's judgements are really dumb. Even Tywin said that she is not as smart as she think she is.

Tywin Vs Queen of Thorns round 1! Looking forward to more clashes between these two.

lilphatboi88

Mon, 05-06-2013, 04:24 AM

It's true Y. Please continue to post though. When Varys hinted at Baelish just wanting to destroy the realm, I imagined that was a ploy to get Marjorie's grandma's support, or at least unite them with a common enemy.

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This episode was kind of boring, a little too gory for my taste. However, I did like Tywin and the grandma talking. I liked Varys and Littlefinger going at it. I also enjoyed the witch's encounter with the bastard king child and Arya.

So I take it the Tyrell's have left King's Landing? Did Marjorie leave too?

Ryllharu

Mon, 05-06-2013, 06:16 AM

I honestly don't know how anyone could pretend that "Littlefinger is self-serving," is a spoiler. It hasn't been obvious since this episode where he admitted chaos is a ladder for his ambitions, it hasn't been obvious since Varys said he'd rather burn it all down to be king of the ashes, it hasn't been obvious since he betrayed Ned Stark.

It has been obvious since the first time he tried to get Catelyn to leave Ned. He was trying everything he could do to get Catelyn, stability be damned, his reputation be damned, her reputation be damned. When he finally realized he'd lost her forever, he just switched to Sansa, not looking to be king of the North, just to have her as a mistress, because it would be kinda like having Catelyn.

Every. Single. Line. Anytime he speaks in that gravelly tone, it reeks of his destructive ambitions. A credit to his actor, playing such a one-dimensional character in a way that makes you think he is that much more, just like Littlefinger wants to be seen as.

This is such a non-issue, and I regret even having to comment on it, at the risk of continuing it.

Robb keeps wondering why he is winning every battle, but losing the war. It's pretty obvious to me, and probably the men around him. He's a good person, but a terribly shitty leader. He's too strong when he shouldn't be, too soft when he shouldn't be, and breaks alliances only to need them again, but now with terms twice as bad.

Great acting by the guy torturing Theon.

Splash!

Mon, 05-06-2013, 12:48 PM

I honestly don't know how anyone could pretend that "Littlefinger is self-serving," is a spoiler. It hasn't been obvious since this episode where he admitted chaos is a ladder for his ambitions, it hasn't been obvious since Varys said he'd rather burn it all down to be king of the ashes, it hasn't been obvious since he betrayed Ned Stark.

It has been obvious since the first time he tried to get Catelyn to leave Ned. He was trying everything he could do to get Catelyn, stability be damned, his reputation be damned, her reputation be damned. When he finally realized he'd lost her forever, he just switched to Sansa, not looking to be king of the North, just to have her as a mistress, because it would be kinda like having Catelyn.

Every. Single. Line. Anytime he speaks in that gravelly tone, it reeks of his destructive ambitions. A credit to his actor, playing such a one-dimensional character in a way that makes you think he is that much more, just like Littlefinger wants to be seen as.

Exactly why I hate Littlefinger so much. Almost every important character has been shown to care about something besides themselves (well except for maybe Joffrey). Cersei has her kids and Jaime, Tywin cares about the family name, Varys cares about the realm, etc. Littlefinger is by far the most self-absorbed character in this show.

The conversation between Lady Olenna and Tywin was pretty awesome. I dont think I remember a situation where someone was completely unfazed by Tywin's presence.

lilphatboi88

Mon, 05-06-2013, 03:00 PM

Littlefinger being self-serving is not a spoiler. Everyone is self-serving. I just didn't know this guy was basically evil, maybe even maniacal. At first, I thought he was loyal to the Lannisters, but now we know his intention is to bring chaos.

It's unfortunate, those will knowledge of spoilers can't completely hide it from their posts. It's like watching a movie with someone who's already seen it. If that person talks about the plot or character development, we can pretty much infer that what he said is at the least partly true. For example, I'm sad to have found out that Sansa and Lady Catelyn will not be doing anything useful for the rest of the series. Of course, I would have been disappointed about them either way. But at least there would have been some suspense.

All I'm asking is that book readers be a bit more mindful of non-book readers.

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Btw, what was Lady Olenna referring to when she said "Rarely do you meet a man who lives up to his reputation?"

Ryllharu

Mon, 05-06-2013, 03:28 PM

Sansa and Lady Catelyn will not be doing anything useful for the rest of the series.
Aside from the two actresses giving us a series of the best unhappy faces of all time? I'm good with that. Sansa's was especially good at the end of this episode. Poor lass was devastated.

Also, loved Tyrion's secret speech to Shae. Very true words.

lilphatboi88

Mon, 05-06-2013, 03:41 PM

Sansa's just too beautiful to look at, her face is practically symmetrical and flawless.

When the witch talked to Arya, did anyone think she meant that Arya will be killing a lot of people? And when saw these eyes, could one of them have been her dad?

Also, which side is the Lord of Light on? I was shocked to know that the brotherhood was tasked with getting King Baratheon back on track.

Splash!

Mon, 05-06-2013, 04:55 PM

Also, which side is the Lord of Light on? I was shocked to know that the brotherhood was tasked with getting King Baratheon back on track.

The Lord of Light is the god of their religion. I would assume he would be on the side of those that worship him, whoever that may be :P

TwisT

Mon, 05-06-2013, 05:02 PM

I think she meant the 3 that Arya named to be killed. That Arya is responsible for their deaths and that if not meet again personally she will be judged by the Lord of Light.

Also as for all the so called spoilers, i haven't seen anything that i can count as such. I came to the same conclusions that Q pointed out. Sansa will not be doing anything of worth. She is simply a pawn to be played with. And she's powerless to prevent that. Even after getting married to anyone of power, all the once toying with her will still be of higher standings. Catelyn put herself in a position where she will be unable to do anything at all except advise. Until this war is over she will be able to do nothing. Can't see how pointing that out is spoilers.

Ryllharu

Mon, 05-06-2013, 05:14 PM

I interpreted Mellisandre's line about eye colors combined with the "We will meet again," to mean that Arya would find Mellisandre later to kill her, amongst others. She looked a bit shocked, and her eyes are blue.

Augury

Tue, 05-07-2013, 12:21 AM

Btw, what was Lady Olenna referring to when she said "Rarely do you meet a man who lives up to his reputation?"
When Lady Olenna talked to Tyrion about wedding fees, she totally destroyed him. She ended the conversation saying that she was disappointed to see that he didn't live up to his reputation of being drunk and impertinent, but was a brow-beaten bookkeeper. She also was steps ahead of Varys when they chatted, and Varys had a reputation where she expected more ("I heard you're such a clever man --> you surrender rather easily"). When Lady Olenna talked to Tywin, I'd say Tywin came out on top. So she's saying that he lives up to his reputation (of being a hard-ass? tough? etc.) while most people don't.

And yes, I re-watched those clips to find the quotes. They're rather enjoyable :)

lilphatboi88

Tue, 05-07-2013, 03:47 AM

So was it a bad thing that Tywin lived up to his reputation?

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also, what if i had said that bran will probably be able to walk again. Would that be a spoiler? Especially if you knew I read the book?

Sapphire

Tue, 05-07-2013, 09:07 AM

I would say it's a good thing that Tywin lived up to his reputation, because Lady Olenna seemed pleased by the presence of someone she couldn't just walk all over. Being cleverer than everyone might seem cool at first, but I'm sure that shit gets boring after a little while.

Same with Tywin being pleased by her presence. Haha actually Tywin seemed so prissy when Olenna asked him if he ever partook in any shady gay activities. The way she managed to talk to him in such a casual manner without outright pissing him off was so sweet.

lilphatboi88

Tue, 05-07-2013, 04:35 PM

U know, I thought Lady Olenna sailed away in her boat because she wouldn't agree to Tywin's demands. That's a bad thing to lose the Tyrell army.

Archangel

Mon, 05-13-2013, 06:30 PM

Lol, fucking Jaime. This guys cuts off his hand last time and he still can't leave without one last smartass remark.

lilphatboi88

Tue, 05-14-2013, 01:14 AM

So what are we about to see? Jaime's redemption?

So Jaime agreed to not say anything bad about Lord Bolton, does that include the guy who cut off his hand?

This episode was very meh. Best part must've been the foreplay between Jon Snow and Egrid.

kyubisrage

Tue, 05-14-2013, 09:39 PM

Did Robert Baretheons bastard son ever get taken in the book, like it displays in the show?

oyabun

Wed, 05-15-2013, 08:46 AM

Yes but there are some changes in the series. Should I pm you the spoiler?

Sapphire

Wed, 05-15-2013, 09:07 AM

PM me too, plz!

kyubisrage

Wed, 05-15-2013, 01:37 PM

Yes but there are some changes in the series. Should I pm you the spoiler?

Go for it.

Archangel

Thu, 05-16-2013, 06:14 PM

Characters gallery (http://imgur.com/a/xaDtC)

lilphatboi88

Thu, 05-16-2013, 09:19 PM

Tywin and Daenerys win based on accuracy and aesthetics.

Archangel

Mon, 05-20-2013, 07:40 PM

Animeniax

Mon, 05-20-2013, 07:54 PM

Why is Sam so fucking stupid? He knows fire is works against them and swords are useless, drops the fire and uses the sword. He then randomly uses what seems to be some ancient dagger of doom, AND THEN HE LEAVES IT BEHIND!

And you just know this fatass is never gonna die, he's totally the author's self insert.

Can't be as bad as Ayn Rand self-inserting into Atlas Shrugged. What an attention whore.

I've found any character named Sam in any fantasy world is the dumb sidekick. Maybe it's an acronym for something, like "Such a moron" or "Stupid ass motherf*cker".

Ryllharu

Mon, 05-20-2013, 08:04 PM

Why is Sam so fucking stupid? He knows fire is works against them and swords are useless, drops the fire and uses the sword. He then randomly uses what seems to be some ancient dagger of doom, AND THEN HE LEAVES IT BEHIND!
Exactly this. My jaw dropped in time with the torch falling to the ground.

At least the drunk, lecherous dwarf Tyrion again proves that he is the most noble character in the series. I'm sure they'll kill him off in some terrible way that completely undermines all that he stands for, the good of the realm, nice (appropriately aged) booty, and fine wine.

I laughed hard at Sansa allegedly still being 14. Maybe the northern giants are 14 and that tall...

Joffrey actually tried to proposition Sansa the day she got married, and still wants to torture her and use her as a fuck toy....what an asshole. That's a new low even for that little shit. That's putting aside all the other infantile and douchey things he did this episode.

Carnage

Mon, 05-20-2013, 08:17 PM

I always hate the bumbling useless character who happens to slip through all dangerous scenarios. I always hope he dies but I know better than that and its not going to happen. Probably not even in Game of Thrones, authors never kill off the dimwit.

Splash!

Mon, 05-20-2013, 08:28 PM

I was glad that Tyrion had the balls to threaten Joffrey and ignore his father's orders. He turned into a pussy ever since his father showed up and I am glad he went back to what he was like last season, even if for a moment.

lilphatboi88

Mon, 05-20-2013, 08:37 PM

Seriously. I can't believe he left the sword! What logical reason is there to leave behind a weapon that can take out a white walker?

Sapphire

Mon, 05-20-2013, 09:24 PM

Daeny has a new hot boy toy, woo! She was also slightly nicer, and not a total treacherous biatch in this episode, so that was nice. I thought she would also finally get laid by this unreasonably hot Second Sons guy when she stepped out of her tub butt naked, but I guess not. If anyone needs to get laid in this series, it's her, though. And Cersei.

But not Sansa! (How old is Tyrion? He seemed a little upset at possibly having to bed a 14 year old.)

Joffrey actually tried to proposition Sansa the day she got married, and still wants to torture her and use her as a fuck toy....what an asshole. That's a new low even for that little shit. That's putting aside all the other infantile and douchey things he did this episode.

Yeah, but I seriously doubt Joffrey even knows what sex is. I mean, he's had ample opportunity to get some, and all he does is shoot women and make them humiliate each other and stuff. Him losing his v-card (I'm guessing he hasn't already) will probably just be him sniveling and ultimately pulling an (ENDER'S GAME SPOILER) Achille's and killing whoever saw him all weak and grovelly. (/SPOILER)

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PS—I actually forgot most of the spoilers I read OVER TWO YEARS AGO and actively avoid talking about the spoilers I know about, lest anyone get raged at my conjectures.

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PPS—Tyrions was AMAZING when he confronted Joffrey.

Archangel

Mon, 05-20-2013, 09:26 PM

The sex scene was funny, one second he's flaccid and the next it's like BAM, rock hard. That's not how dicks work, we require a moment.

iMUSTbeTHEdevil

Tue, 05-21-2013, 06:23 PM

The sex scene was funny, one second he's flaccid and the next it's like BAM, rock hard. That's not how dicks work, we require a moment.

You mean Gendry? I thought the same thing and then didn't know what to think when it was still in his pants when she put the leeches on it.

It was the same with Theon too, though.

Archangel

Tue, 05-21-2013, 07:08 PM

You mean Gendry? I thought the same thing and then didn't know what to think when it was still in his pants when she put the leeches on it.

It was the same with Theon too, though.
Theon was more arguable though, he had a shitload of foreplay even if he was all fucked up. The fact that it was still in his pants could just be from the angle.

Sapphire

Sat, 05-25-2013, 09:49 AM

I really have to admire Theon for suffering hours (days, weeks?) of bodily and mental torture, and STILL being able to get turned on and have sex with two random ass ladies in the middle of completely hostile territory.

BTW, wtf is the point of torturing him??? Other than to let Iwan Rheon give me nightmares...

Archangel

Sat, 05-25-2013, 11:37 AM

BTW, wtf is the point of torturing him??? Other than to let Iwan Rheon give me nightmares...

He already said that there's no point other than he enjoys it. If anything you should ask yourself what's the point of getting his pov when it's always the same damn thing.

Sapphire

Sun, 05-26-2013, 12:45 PM

Yeah, leaving your weapon behind is the dumbest thing ever. Samuel L. Jackson was in a movie where he did that, and he made them change the scene so he could pick up the weapon, lol.

Archangel

Sun, 05-26-2013, 02:19 PM

Yeah, leaving your weapon behind is the dumbest thing ever. Samuel L. Jackson was in a movie where he did that, and he made them change the scene so he could pick up the weapon, lol.
You're a bitch for updating this thread just before the new episode is out :/

Sapphire

Sun, 05-26-2013, 02:21 PM

You're dumb for not being able to tell time by now! (ep not coming out for like 7 more hours)

lilphatboi88

Sun, 05-26-2013, 05:01 PM

I heard no episode today guys.

Sapphire

Sun, 05-26-2013, 05:14 PM

Yeah, not back till June 2 according to HBO website...

Archangel

Sun, 05-26-2013, 05:43 PM

You're dumb for not being able to tell time by now! (ep not coming out for like 7 more hours)

Yeah, not back till June 2 according to HBO website...

Welp, you're retarded xP

Sapphire

Sun, 05-26-2013, 10:29 PM

D:

The gods are punishing me for complaining about Daeny!

Whatever, I guess I can just watch Mad Men be all slice of life.

On another note, who do you guys think the next super important character to die will be?

lilphatboi88

Sun, 05-26-2013, 11:46 PM

I hope Robb dies. He's supposedly an important figure in the war, but he seems pretty useless to us.

Augury

Sat, 06-01-2013, 12:33 PM

Game of Thrones Season 2 16-bit RPG (College Humor):

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=63lE2ns_vUY

Warnings:
1. Contains 16-bit sex and nudity, in that order.
2. SPOILERS from season 2.
3. In general, watch Game of Thrones YouTube videos at your own risk because comments are full of spoilers (and the videos too, sometimes).

Much funnier than GoT Season 1 16-bit RPG.

lilphatboi88

Mon, 06-03-2013, 04:19 AM

The world is frighteningly cold. Amazing performance by Catelyn Stark at the end. The theme of this episode was definitely: "so close, but yet so far away."

TwisT

Mon, 06-03-2013, 10:14 AM

Holy Shit!

I knew it was over for Robb when he lost half his army, but i thought that he would be killed in battle. But this was brutal. And so quick.

I love this show.

Archangel

Mon, 06-03-2013, 11:40 AM

WHAT THE FUCK?!

Ryllharu

Mon, 06-03-2013, 03:00 PM

He kinda had it coming. You don't betray a known crotchety asshole and then try to play all nice with him as if it was a quarrel over a spilled drink or a come from behind victory in a dice game. Robb was too good natured and naive. A good man, a bad leader, but would have been an okay king.

Similarly, Catelyn was dumb to think that Frey gave a shit about his young wife. I knew he would simply say he'd get another.

Do feel bad for Arya. She almost had a chance to get another dire wolf. She'll just add another person to her stab through the eye and out the back of the skull list. On the brighter side, her journeys through the woods with The Hound are almost as good as Jaime and Brienne.

Feel only a little bad for Talisa. Robb led her right into it with more of his naiveté. Wasn't sure who is worse, Robb or Sansa. Now I know, it was Robb.

Sapphire

Mon, 06-03-2013, 03:38 PM

Best moment in this episode was the Second Sons guy, all up on Daeny.

Uchiha Barles

Mon, 06-03-2013, 06:31 PM

Omg wtf...holy shit! This show doesn't know the meaning of mercy. Daaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaamn! Orchestrated by the Lannisters too? I am not a happy camper right now :mad:. It's looking like the Stark hope is in their exceptional children. And by exceptional children, I don't mean Sansa, unless she's going into whoring or something of the sort. I'm not sure where to place John Snow in this. He is a bastard, so maybe things will improve for him since he started out with the shit end of the stick? Naw, his girl's going to feed him his own dick for ditching her.

Those fucking Lannisters just keep getting their way. I want so very much for the Starks to ruin their shit, but something tells me that by the time the two young one are ready to right the wrongs that have been done, Daenarys, her dragons, her robot legion and savage horde will already have scorched and raped them into non-existence. This is not good. I just started really liking Daenarys too but I have to hope she loses now. As much as I <3 dragons, I really, REALLY want to see Arya clear her shitlist one by bloody one.

Edit: Caitlyn's pleas were absolutely heartrending. I think that this is the first time a show or movie has every properly conveyed to me the horror felt by a mother about to lose her child. I don't think I'll be able to rewatch that episode.

http://io9.com/the-100-best-tweets-about-last-nights-game-of-thrones-511003444

iMUSTbeTHEdevil

Tue, 06-04-2013, 05:56 PM

Orchestrated by the Lannisters too? I am not a happy camper right now :mad:. It's /url]

I don't know that it was orchestrated by the Lannisters. I just assumed that Bolton was being an asshole.

Splash!

Tue, 06-04-2013, 06:25 PM

I don't know that it was orchestrated by the Lannisters. I just assumed that Bolton was being an asshole.

From what we have seen of Bolton, he does things when there is gold involved. Add to that the fact that he recently wanted to get on the good side of Tywin and it seems highly likely that this was indeed a Lannister plot.

Abdula

Tue, 06-04-2013, 07:58 PM

Regardless no one would alienate themselves so much if they did not have someone powerful backing them. You could not turn against the Starks, effectively antagonizing the entire north particularly given the current political climate, if you did not have someone powerful nearby backing you. Granted it could be some other faction but no one other than the Lannisters really wanted Rob Stark out of the way right now. It was in the best interests of everyone else to play the two of them off of each other. This is political suicide though.

Edit: Caitlyn's pleas were absolutely heartrending. I think that this is the first time a show or movie has every properly conveyed to me the horror felt by a mother about to lose her child. I don't think I'll be able to rewatch that episode.

She is the one person I can really feel it for in this series. The woman never gets a break. Brandon dies and she has to marry Ned who goes to war and comes home with someone else's son, then Jon Arryn dies and they come to take Ned away, Bran gets crippled, Ned gets executed, she believes Arya is dead and Sansa is held hostage, Rob goes to war, she manages to get her hands on both Tyrion and Jaime and has to watch them walk away, her father dies, her sister is insane and now everyone dies at her brother's wedding. Sheesh, rest in peace because life was not kind to you.

iMUSTbeTHEdevil

Tue, 06-04-2013, 09:05 PM

She is the one person I can really feel it for in this series. The woman never gets a break. Brandon dies and she has to marry Ned who goes to war and comes home with someone else's son, then Jon Arryn dies and they come to take Ned away, Bran gets crippled, Ned gets executed, she believes Arya is dead and Sansa is held hostage, Rob goes to war, she manages to get her hands on both Tyrion and Jaime and has to watch them walk away, her father dies, her sister is insane and now everyone dies at her brother's wedding. Sheesh, rest in peace because life was not kind to you.

Well said! I like that she even believed that all of her misfortune was as a result of not loving the bastard son, John Snow. Which to her, would be a rational explanation for those hardships.

lilphatboi88

Wed, 06-05-2013, 03:12 AM

How hard would it be to send some assassins to take out some of the Lannisters? Several times Joffrey was out of the castle, he could have been speared. If Arya was able to get close enough to Tywin Lannister, why can't someone else? Do citizens of King's Landing have ID badges? If not, it wouldn't be too hard to slip in.

Xelbair

Wed, 06-05-2013, 09:51 AM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=zxSwcawvyaY

I've read the books, and i am not watching the series - but this vid is hilarious. Posting it here instead in funny vids because there might be people who haven't seen the latest ep.

Yukimura

Thu, 06-06-2013, 01:08 AM

Life did suck for Catelyn but let's not forget that she provided the impetus that set many of the misfortunes that befell her into motion. The initial cause of the war between Starks and Lannisters was Catelyn detaining Tyrion under suspicion of being involved with Bran's fall. Maybe if she'd been willing to keep her suspicions under wraps and play politics with them things might have shaken out differently. Of course, its possible many of the events of the series were inevitable, but we'll never know now.

That reminds me, did we ever find out the true source of that knife that was used to lay suspicion on Tyrion for the the Bran assassination plot?

Abdula

Thu, 06-06-2013, 02:03 AM

Yeah it was littlefinger's, he was even the first person to identify it as such, though he claimed that he lost it in a bet to Tyrion. Somewhere during Tyrion's pleasant stay in the vale he mentioned that he did not win any bet against little finger because said bet was based upon the outcome of a joust that Jaime won and Tyrion never bets against his brother. He also mentioned that he would never be stupid enough to give an obviously incompetent assassin a knife that can so easily be traced back to him. So the one who was last in possession of the knife was littlefinger and the one responsible for the attempted Assassination of Bran was littlefinger. The only likely outcome of such a plot would have been to start a war between the Starks and the Lannisters which as we find out at the end of season one was well within littlefinger's plans. So Catelyn was nothing more than a dupe and even if she had not taken any action there would have been conflict between the Starks and the Lannisters anyway. Too many people wanted Ned gone, including Cersei. He was too moral to be bought or to turn a blind eye. Too smart and stubborn to be easily controlled and up until the end of his life, too naive to understand that that would get him killed.

Sapphire

Mon, 06-10-2013, 12:44 AM

Oh god, that zoom out shot of Daeny with her MASSIVE VOLUNTARY army, maturing dragons, and fuck ton of adoring former slaves who basically see her as Martin Luther King on steroids times infinity gave me goosebumps.

lilphatboi88

Mon, 06-10-2013, 04:25 AM

I wish it gave me goosebumps, but the zoom out scene wasn't that impressive for me. Her army is impressive, as it just keeps doubling and doubling.

The silence between Cersei and Jaime was pretty epic. So much was said with so few words.

Death BOO Z

Mon, 06-10-2013, 10:24 AM

yeah, I've finally joined the ranks of GoT's rabid watchers the past month.
loving every bit of it.

With daenyiers taking out every big city, doesn't it mean that the other dothraki (how to spell?) clans have much more to ransack? power vacuum and all.

Sapphire

Mon, 06-10-2013, 12:19 PM

The ones that follow her? It probably means that they're swallowed by the sheer scope of all her other followers and are probably insignificant by now.

Actually yeah, aren't Dothraki basically designed to love the open sandy road to the point of being primal? Way to clip off their wings, Daeny.

Death BOO Z

Mon, 06-10-2013, 01:05 PM

nope.
I mean, while Daeny is gathering troops to invade Europe, she is taking apart all the significant cities in Africa - the city with the wizards, the city with the slaves (unsullied?), and now the other city. all of those places were small dictatorships in the dessert, but had enough military to repel the dothraki clans from attacking them.
the dothraki had to go after relatively small agriculture and herding villages. but now that Daeny took the military forces from those cities, there is nothing stopping the dothraki from raiding them.

I should get the books.. I hate not knowing stuff.

Archangel

Mon, 06-10-2013, 01:33 PM

My favourite part about all this is how the greatest forces at work are the one's mostly ignored by the kings and their war of thrones. They're so busy with they tiny internal strife they don't see armies of enemies literally surrounding them from every direction, immortals and dragons growing more powerful by the day.

Also Arya is so far my favourite character, followed closely by Tyrion. Here's hoping karma finds some way to get to them eventually.

Carnage

Mon, 06-10-2013, 06:45 PM

I dont know, this finale wasn't as impressive as the last one. We already knew Daeny seized the city and is amassing the power to take on Westeros. I wish they would have ended this season with something shocking like the White Walkers storming the wall.

Abdula

Tue, 06-11-2013, 01:17 AM

Cliff hanger endings are overrated. They ended the season on a nice note. to set up the utter madness that should be the next season. It was all about reunions. Arya gets to see Rob, Jon makes it back home, Jaime meets Cersei. the cult of Daenerys gets some new members. Good things all around. Plus Yara is headed to the north and it seems Stannis is headed there as well and there are plenty of able bodied leaderless men in the north, now that Rob is dead.

Every single time I see that opening I am reminded of Age of Empires, ha.

nope.
I mean, while Daeny is gathering troops to invade Europe, she is taking apart all the significant cities in Africa - the city with the wizards, the city with the slaves (unsullied?), and now the other city. all of those places were small dictatorships in the dessert, but had enough military to repel the dothraki clans from attacking them.
the dothraki had to go after relatively small agriculture and herding villages. but now that Daeny took the military forces from those cities, there is nothing stopping the dothraki from raiding them.

I should get the books.. I hate not knowing stuff.
Yes she is destabilizing an entire continent in order to prepare herself to go attack another but she is a dragon, they destroy things. It is kind of hard to believe that someone isn't just following behind her swooping up her leftovers or that she isn't royally pissing people off. Rob left Winterfell and looked what happened there. He won a few battles which gained him a lot of notoriety and he married someone not a Frey which ultimately got him killed. Yet Daenerys is running around sacking cities, destroying evil power hungry cultist and freeing slaves not to mention the threat of dragons. It is hard to believe that she isn't turning everyone against her. The people on that side of the outside can't be that different particularly if they are used to fighting off Dothraki.

My favourite part about all this is how the greatest forces at work are the one's mostly ignored by the kings and their war of thrones. They're so busy with they tiny internal strife they don't see armies of enemies literally surrounding them from every direction, immortals and dragons growing more powerful by the day.

Also Arya is so far my favourite character, followed closely by Tyrion. Here's hoping karma finds some way to get to them eventually.
Yes it is awesome. By the time the wights and the Others(white walkers) get around to attacking Westeros, they will have mostly killed each other off from their infighting and there won't be much of them left and the Others can just swoop in while they are licking their words. The number of humans is only going to decrease and the number of wights is only going to increase since they are essentially just zombies.

Arya and Tyrion are insanely likable though. I actually like Cersei but that is mostly because Lena Headey is awesome. If I had to pick a fave it would be probably be Jon Show since he is one of the few characters in the know. Daenerys is kinda annoying and Stannis is too rigid.

iMUSTbeTHEdevil

Tue, 06-11-2013, 06:51 AM

I hope the Starks never have to fight Daenerys, although it would be sweet to see Bran take control of some dragons.

lilphatboi88

Fri, 06-14-2013, 10:06 PM

i hope the lannisters kill rickon in front of arya, then after her training for the special people, it is revealed she is the lord of light, and as she becomes enraged by rickon's lifeless body, she starts unleashing her fury on all the evil freys, lannisters, and boltons. and littlefinger too.

Marik

Fri, 07-19-2013, 10:34 PM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=9m4ZPULXJKw

Old Dude, made me lol.

Death BOO Z

Sat, 07-20-2013, 12:06 PM

that's really far away...

also, really lots of dead guys.

Penner

Thu, 02-27-2014, 06:12 PM

Here's a new poster for season 4:

1642

poopdeville

Tue, 04-08-2014, 11:32 AM

S04E01 came out this weekend. It was pretty good. Good to see the characters again, especially Arya.

Archangel

Tue, 04-08-2014, 11:42 AM

I love the contrasts between the Hound and Arya's killing, one's a bulldozer and the other one is quick and clean.

shinta|hikari

Tue, 04-08-2014, 12:24 PM

Go Aria!

I wonder if the dragons are able to actually hurt and kill Daenerys.

Animeniax

Tue, 04-08-2014, 02:25 PM

If anyone has read the books, can you say what seasons corresponds with which books? I'm almost done with season 1 and episodes I've glimpsed from season 2 look like they're still from the first book. Or will each book be it's own multi-season series?

Ryllharu

Tue, 04-08-2014, 07:19 PM

Tue, 04-08-2014, 07:45 PM

rockmanj

Tue, 04-08-2014, 09:43 PM

I love the contrasts between the Hound and Arya's killing, one's a bulldozer and the other one is quick and clean.

I kind of found Arya's killings more disturbing. When the Hound is doing it, it is quick and heavy slashes; almost cartoon like. When Arya does it it, it is extremely slow when she sticks the sword in and it honestly made me a little uncomfortable. Good job by the actress and the director to make it look that way.

Carnage

Tue, 04-08-2014, 10:11 PM

Season 1: A Game of Thrones
Season 2: A Clash of Kings
Season 3: A Storm of Swords part 1
Season 4: A Storm of Swords part 2 / maybe some of A Feast for Crows

Any spillover is made up pretty quickly.

edit:
Disclaimer: I don't read the books. It's pretty obvious.

This is correct, I read the books. On a side note, Im kind of pissed on a few things that they've changed from the books that really weren't at all necessary. Can't say I really like how season 3 was handled, probably will be the same case for 4.

shinta|hikari

Tue, 04-08-2014, 10:45 PM

A lot of people I know actually say that the TV series is the better story.

I've never been a source fanatic. I do believe that there are a lot of adaptations out there that are better than the source material. I cannot comment on GoT because I have not read the books though.

Thoughts?

Splash!

Tue, 04-08-2014, 11:04 PM

I started reading the books midway through the third season of the TV show. I was kind of surprised how there wasn't much of a difference between the source material and the actual show (upto the end of the second season). In fact, I found most of the dialogue that I enjoyed in the show to be straight out of the book, word for word (made me redirect some of the misplaced respect I had for the show's writers towards George RR Martin). Of course, I didn't really get past reading the second book so I am not aware of how much things diverge afterwards (I stopped reading mainly because the first 2 books weren't all that different from the show).

Carnage

Tue, 04-08-2014, 11:15 PM

That's the thing, the first two seasons were very consistent with the source material and so probably better than the books. But season 3 they started making changes that will impact some of the heaviest drama in this season. I'll comment on the differences after the season ends.

Animeniax

Tue, 04-08-2014, 11:55 PM

Season 1: A Game of Thrones
Season 2: A Clash of Kings
Season 3: A Storm of Swords part 1
Season 4: A Storm of Swords part 2 / maybe some of A Feast for Crows

Any spillover is made up pretty quickly.

edit:
Disclaimer: I don't read the books. It's pretty obvious.

You should read them, if you're a fantasy novel reader and have the time. It's been a long time since I read them, but I remember Ned died in the first book, but I see him in episodes of season 2. Maybe I remember the timeline of events wrong?

Thanks to all for answering.

Augury

Wed, 04-09-2014, 12:04 AM

It's nearly unavoidable really, with a different medium. There are people to manage, since many of actors for the secondary or tertiary characters don't want to stay (or vice versa). There's the HBO slant that seems to fit in at least one extra sex scene per season. There's budget too, so the TV series can't match the book scene for scene. Plus you can't exactly do internal monologues.

Overall though, I think the adaptation is quite good. The changes they make aren't worth fussing over and haven't changed any major plot points. S04E01 was pretty enjoyable. We dove right in instead of the usual slow build-up / recap that the other first episodes had.

Animeniax

Wed, 04-09-2014, 12:05 AM

Having the writer of the books as an executive producer helps the adaptation stay true to the books.

Ryllharu

Wed, 04-09-2014, 03:28 AM

GRRM also helps write the scripts, just not the screenplay.

Carnage

Wed, 04-09-2014, 06:52 AM

It's nearly unavoidable really, with a different medium. There are people to manage, since many of actors for the secondary or tertiary characters don't want to stay (or vice versa). There's budget too, so the TV series can't match the book scene for scene. Plus you can't exactly do internal monologues.

None of that has applied to the plot points I'm referring to, but to each his own.

Animeniax

Wed, 04-09-2014, 08:29 AM

I kinda want this answered, so I'm reposting it:

It's been a long time since I read them, but I remember Ned died in the first book, but I see him in episodes of season 2. Maybe I remember the timeline of events wrong?

edit: found it in a GoT wiki. I guess the scenes from season 2 that I saw were actually season 1 or they were flashbacks.

Splash!

Wed, 04-09-2014, 08:38 AM

Archangel

Mon, 04-14-2014, 07:44 AM

Ding dong the bitch is dead

Animeniax

Mon, 04-14-2014, 09:26 AM

Let's just say that season 1 matches the first book almost exactly (from the prologue to the last chapter). In fact, from what I remember, things unfold in pretty much the same order as the POV chapters as well.

I just finished the first season and it's like you said, it matches the first book almost exactly. The nudity really tapered off towards the end of the season, capped with Daenarys's naked rise from the fire. I hear season two has more gratuitous nudity, which is kind of a shame since the story alone should be enough to bring in viewers, but still appreciated.

poopdeville

Mon, 04-14-2014, 12:06 PM

Ding dong the bitch is dead

Yeah, it's about time that little shit head got his comeuppance. But now I have to worry about Tyrion. And I want to know who did it. The new queen? Cersei is too dumb.

Animeniax

Wed, 04-16-2014, 12:57 AM

Just started season 2. Does anyone know how Stannis knew about Joffrey's birth parents before spreading the word all over the seven kingdoms?

Carnage

Wed, 04-16-2014, 04:31 AM

Ned Stark sent him a letter by ship if I recall correctly. It was either that or he knew all along (which is why he left king's landing in the first place).

Animeniax

Wed, 04-16-2014, 07:49 AM

Ned Stark sent him a letter by ship if I recall correctly. It was either that or he knew all along (which is why he left king's landing in the first place).

I didn't think Ned had informed anyone before he was arrested. It was something that pissed me off, since his predecessor was killed for the information and it is news that would rock the kingdom. I might have missed it in the show though.

Ding dong the bitch is deadIf you're talking about who I think you're talking about, it's technically, "ding dong the bastard is dead."

poopdeville

Wed, 04-16-2014, 12:57 PM

Just started season 2. Does anyone know how Stannis knew about Joffrey's birth parents before spreading the word all over the seven kingdoms?

After King Robert's death, and realizing the truth of Joffrey's parentage, Eddard decides to back Stannis as the rightful King. ... Eddard later sends a letter to Stannis at his fortress stronghold of Dragonstone, informing him of the situation.

If you're talking about who I think you're talking about, it's technically, "ding dong the bastard is dead."

Just get caught up already. ;)

Animeniax

Wed, 04-16-2014, 02:17 PM

Just get caught up already. ;)

Trying to catch up, but I don't want to rush it. I rushed reading the books because they are real page turners, so it's hard to recall a lot of the story just a few years later.

So Ned actually sends the letter to Stannis in the show? Or is that wiki entry citing something from the books? I just can't recall the scene where the letter/raven is sent, though it's a small event.

poopdeville

Wed, 04-16-2014, 02:42 PM

Yeah. I don't remember the scene either, but basically, Ned, Littlefinger, and Varys were talking about what Ned should do. And then Ned told Varys he was going to back Stannis.

Animeniax

Wed, 04-16-2014, 03:32 PM

Yeah. I don't remember the scene either, but basically, Ned, Littlefinger, and Varys were talking about what Ned should do. And then Ned told Varys he was going to back Stannis.

Oh weird, I found the scene in S01E07. I guess I must have started the episode and then not finished it. The scene you mentioned happens after Ned leaves Robert's deathbed, then Ned discusses it with Renly and Littlefinger individually later. Thanks for the info.

Augury

Thu, 04-17-2014, 01:09 AM

Just started season 2. Does anyone know how Stannis knew about Joffrey's birth parents before spreading the word all over the seven kingdoms?
In the first book, it's strongly implied that Jon Arryn shared his investigations with Stannis. I don't recall this ever being explicitly stated in the TV show. Even without book knowledge though, it isn't too much of a stretch to assume that Stannis knew beforehand but didn't have the political capital to stay in King's Landing after Jon Arryn died.

Trying to catch up, but I don't want to rush it. I rushed reading the books because they are real page turners, so it's hard to recall a lot of the story just a few years later.
In case you don't want to go the wikipedia route or risk spoilers in forums for all your questions, I'd recommend re-reading the books. They're very carefully written, so readers pick up a lot more when reading it again (and again).

Animeniax

Thu, 04-17-2014, 10:10 AM

In the first book, it's strongly implied that Jon Arryn shared his investigations with Stannis. I don't recall this ever being explicitly stated in the TV show. Even without book knowledge though, it isn't too much of a stretch to assume that Stannis knew beforehand but didn't have the political capital to stay in King's Landing after Jon Arryn died.True, they did mention that Stannis "fled" King's Landing at some point, though I don't know if they said why. It might have been because of this knowledge or at least a suspicion concerning Joffrey.

In case you don't want to go the wikipedia route or risk spoilers in forums for all your questions, I'd recommend re-reading the books. They're very carefully written, so readers pick up a lot more when reading it again (and again). I've been wanting to re-read the series (I only got halfway through the 5th book) but I've never been one to re-read/re-play/re-watch most books/games/shows. I feel there's so much out there that re-doing anything is kind of a waste of time. But this book series definitely deserves a second read.

Death BOO Z

Mon, 04-21-2014, 10:49 AM

every time a kid is assassinated, it's the same guy pulling the strings. someone should do something about him.

and rapey incest one handed sex in the burial tomb of our son was really weird.

shinta|hikari

Mon, 04-21-2014, 11:08 AM

Beside the dead son's body.

Joffrey really got what he deserved this time.

Tyrion is such a big man in a small body.

Animeniax

Mon, 04-21-2014, 11:26 AM

You guys hate on Joffrey but he's a product of his upbringing. With a father like Robert (as far as he knew), a scheming mother, and a controlling grandfather, it's no wonder he turned out to be so evil and mean. He needed help.

Death BOO Z

Mon, 04-21-2014, 12:22 PM

Carnage

Mon, 04-21-2014, 12:29 PM

It's already been explained it's likely because of the inbreeding, same thing for the Targaryians.

shinta|hikari

Mon, 04-21-2014, 12:42 PM

I was hoping that Joffrey's body would get dragged down while his parents were having sex, then his dead body would just hang over Jamie's back while he humps Cersei. Then Cersei would say "This is not right..." and he would reply, "I don't care. I don't care."

Animeniax

Mon, 04-21-2014, 12:56 PM

he has two decent(ish) siblings who didn't have much screen time due to not being awefull people. they managed (tyrion even said so himself, 2 out of three).
and he seemed to like his father, actually, and robert did care for him (at least, he didn't know he was an insect boy).
Yes but as heir to the throne, he received special attention from his mother which was sure to warp him, more so than his younger siblings. She most likely whispered all sorts of unpleasant things about Robert to her son. I'm surprised GRRM didn't include a mother/son incest angle to their relationship.

I didn't see much in the show or the book to suggest Joffrey cared much for his father, who was often drunk or too busy with "running the kingdom" to raise his children. I think it was a stark (*wink*) contrast to a loving lord father like Ned and how he raised his children.

Death BOO Z

Mon, 04-21-2014, 05:26 PM

I remember a scene in which joffery tells Jaime that Jaime is a loser (or inferior, whatever) compared to his 'father', Robert.
father of the year? probably not. (that award goes to the guy who got an arrow through his skull and then was eaten with his wife as a side-dish), But I can't see Robert being a deliberately 'hurtful' father.

Carnage

Mon, 04-21-2014, 10:25 PM

I'm really tired of the producers adding content just for the sake of being edgy. The Thenn's aren't cannabls in the least, they're one of the most advanced groups of Wildlings. Even the nudity in kings landing has been old for 2 seasons now, we get it.

Augury

Mon, 04-21-2014, 11:03 PM

On Joffrey:
Like Carnage said, it's mostly attributed to the inbreeding. I don't recall how the quote goes exactly... but to paraphrase, it's something like every time the Targaryens have a child, the gods flip a coin. Absent of that, the burden of being the first born or getting additional attention from a deranged mother (albeit a product of her environment as well) makes sense.

... found it, "Every time a Targaryen is born, the gods flip a coin": http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qhabH70ahLQ

On Thenns and TV vs. book:
Making the Thenns cannibals doesn't matter. If you hadn't read the books and had expectations it'd work fine. I agree with the nudity though, we don't really need to be reminded again that Oberyn is about sex and revenge. I think HBO has a poor idea of their target audience.

I thought the added scene of Tywin and Tommen was quite good, though. Charles Dance has nailed both of the TV-original sequences they've given him.

Animeniax

Mon, 04-21-2014, 11:37 PM

I don't think that inbreeding leads to cruelty or sociopathy, those are more learned attributes. It may lead to physical weakness or deformity, or mental disability, but not what we see with Joffrey. I think environment is mostly what has led to Joffrey's evilness and pettiness. It's bad enough to be heir to a throne at a young age, but worse to have people like Cersei raising you to be selfish and heavy handed.

Tyrion and Cersei are just spit-balling about the causes of Joffrey's behavior, so I don't give too much credence to the claim that the gods decide how you will grow up to be. These people don't understand genetics or good parenting and chalk everything up to religion and mysticism. I also think it's GRRM's commentary on responsibility and reaping what you sow.

A perfect example is Lysa Arryn's son Robin. He's not the product of inbreeding but we already know he's going to be nuts when he grows up, because Lysa is a shit mother.

Augury

Mon, 04-21-2014, 11:56 PM

Ryllharu

Tue, 04-22-2014, 03:30 AM

Charles Dance has nailed every scene they've given him.

You had a small typo. Dance has done plenty of middling-to-bad films (so his standards are what they are), but getting him on game of thrones was a coup in and of itself. It took the producers a while to secure him in the role though.

Same goes for Diana Rigg as Olenna Tyrell. Witty 1960s sex and feminist symbol turned into sarcastic witty grandmother, matching the character nicely. The two of them have raised the enjoyment of many scenes set in King's Landing.

Edit:
Not to mention the younger Diana Rigg shares a bit more than a passing resemblance to Natalie Dormer who plays Margaery. The cheekbones in particular.
http://i.imgur.com/vJ8roWN.jpg

Animeniax

Tue, 04-22-2014, 07:30 AM

Fair point about genetics and Robin, but I don't think we can expect everything in GRRM's world to align with ours, given that there are fantastical elements in it. A higher power is the world of Game of Thrones very real and tangible, so there may be more to chalking things up to religion and mysticism than in our world.

True and good point, there is a lot more governed by religion and mysticism in their world than ours. I concede the point.

I'll admit that when I first read the books, it wasn't until the second book that the story moved towards magic (except Daenarys's dragons) and I wasn't happy with it. I was hoping for a pure kings and connivers story (which we got) not so much a wizards and witches theme. On film though, the story is much richer and fuller with the magic and fantasy elements.

Death BOO Z

Tue, 04-22-2014, 03:18 PM

I take it as more of a warning that inbreeding and having your parents resent each other (I guess that how it goes in forced insect situations) might not be the best thing for a child.

shinta|hikari

Tue, 04-22-2014, 03:36 PM

"...forced insect situations"

Made me LOL. That would make even couples resent each other.

Augury

Wed, 04-23-2014, 12:12 AM

I was going to post a snip from Terra ForMars, but then thought better of it.

Nice tidbit on Diana Rigg.

Penner

Wed, 04-23-2014, 06:32 AM

So damn awesome lol

http://i.imgur.com/gVUtYww.gif

Animeniax

Wed, 04-23-2014, 09:56 PM

Just started season 2. I love how Tyrion is cleaning house of all the backstabbers and double-dealers in the king's council.

Death BOO Z

Mon, 05-05-2014, 12:03 PM

episode five. was there a stark who wasn't assaulted this episode?

shinta|hikari

Mon, 05-05-2014, 12:43 PM

LOL, now that you mention it.

poopdeville

Mon, 05-05-2014, 02:23 PM

LOL the look on Cersei's face. "What do I call you...Mother, Sister?"

Also, Jon had a long sword versus two knives. Why did he swing it instead of stabbing? Way to give up your advantage, Jon.

Also, who was the guy who tried to capture Bran, the second time? He looks really familiar, but I can't place him. He was with the Night's Watch, and last week was the first time I noticed him in the Night's Watch, but he looks like somebody. Maybe somebody who cut off Jaime's hand.

Ryllharu

Mon, 05-05-2014, 05:58 PM

Maybe somebody who cut off Jaime's hand.That's exactly who he was. Eventually returned to the Dreadfort after taking Jamie's hand. Then upon learning from Theon than Bran and his little brother were still alive, he was sent up north after them by Lord Bolton in exchange for a lot of land. Snuck into the Night's Watch, went beyond the wall, and the rest is history.

Death BOO Z

Tue, 05-06-2014, 05:13 AM

about my previous comment, I forgot about Rikkon Stark... he didn't get hit this episode
is he still in the show?

poopdeville

Wed, 05-07-2014, 10:50 PM

I had to read up, but it looks like Rickon got left behind at a house loyal to the Starks -- House Umber. He hasn't been seen since last season.

TwisT

Fri, 05-09-2014, 07:28 PM

Indeed. I remember it because when Ramsey Snow tortured Theon he played that guessing game and asked "Where are we?". Theon answered Bay of Seals or something like that. Ramsey answered "Do i look like a fucking Umber to you?". From the way he said it, it sounded like Umber's has peculiar traits. So when Bran sent Rickon to the Umber's it stuck in my mind.

Animeniax

Sun, 05-11-2014, 10:45 PM

Wow just saw the siege of King's Landing episode, pretty well done. Actually felt the fear and tension of battle. There were parts I didn't like, like Stannis leading the charge up the ladders with no helmet. For that matter, a lot of the primary characters didn't wear helmets in battle, which is Hollywood nonsense.

poopdeville

Mon, 05-12-2014, 12:01 PM

Mark Gatiss? In my Game of Thrones?

Theon has the Stockholm Syndrome pretty bad.

Oh shit @ Tyrion.

TwisT

Mon, 05-12-2014, 02:41 PM

Holy crap at Tyrion going mental. Shay really pushed him over the edge. Wonder who he will have champion him? Bronn? Jamie? Or maybe even Oberyn. Since Jamie has had his hand cut of they might bring in The Mountain to try and secure that death. If so Oberyn should be the perfect candidate. I love how they managed to get even Shay to lie and testify against Tyrion.

BTW i got a stiffy when i saw that rising dragon taking the goats. And Daenery's got a glimps of what it is to rule. At least if you wanna be a caring ruler.

Penner

Mon, 05-12-2014, 03:06 PM

God damn! Tyrion letting it all out at the end was the most amazing shit i've seen in some time, made my hands shake from the rush ;P

Death BOO Z

Tue, 05-13-2014, 10:33 AM

So, Stanis (and the onion Knight) say that once tywion dies, there will be no legitimate power in kings' landing, because tonmen is young and there are no able men to take charge. But the situation will be the same if Stanis takes over. he's old, no male sons and he can't marry his daugther to anyone (she has that face thing), so if they chose to turn their alliance at stanis, they would be in the same problem, just ten years later and a whole lot of gold will be spent on the switch.

edit: the old guy, not his short son. fixed.

shinta|hikari

Tue, 05-13-2014, 11:04 AM

His argument was that Stanis is in his prime, with maybe 20 or more years left, and in that time he can have a son capable of ruling.

Death BOO Z

Tue, 05-13-2014, 02:24 PM

I guess he is... but Stanis looks so old, I know robert was supposed to be in his late 30's, but they all seem so much older than that.
my guess is that stanis is just 35-40. even though he looks like he's touching his sixties.
and besides, stanis has been married for a long time, and still, no heirs.
If I was one the iron bank clerks, I'd get suspicious.

Animeniax

Sun, 05-18-2014, 09:10 AM

True and good point, there is a lot more governed by religion and mysticism in their world than ours. I concede the point.

I'll admit that when I first read the books, it wasn't until the second book that the story moved towards magic (except Daenarys's dragons) and I wasn't happy with it. I was hoping for a pure kings and connivers story (which we got) not so much a wizards and witches theme. On film though, the story is much richer and fuller with the magic and fantasy elements.

Looks like GRRM agreed with me about how much magic and fantasy was included in the Song story:
http://teamcoco.com/video/george-r-r-martin-wasn-t-sure-he-wanted-dragons-in-game-of-thrones

TwisT

Mon, 05-19-2014, 05:31 AM

Well now. As soon as it was reveled that The Mountain was gonna champion Cercei, i knew Oberyn was gonna champion Tyrion. And his speech gave me goosebumps. He is this seasons most interesting character. Baelish continues to impress as always.

shinta|hikari

Mon, 05-19-2014, 09:55 AM

Oberyn is awesome. I hope they show the fight in full. GoT is notorious for skipping battles and only showing the aftermath.

Animeniax

Mon, 05-19-2014, 10:08 AM

Oberyn is awesome. I hope they show the fight in full. GoT is notorious for skipping battles and only showing the aftermath.

I imagine that's due to production budgets. Large scale battle scenes need a lot of extras, choreography, etc. I don't mind that they skip battles, they all start to look the same, and most of the actors don't appear particularly good at sword/axe/spear fighting anyway.

Penner

Mon, 05-19-2014, 10:18 AM

The title for the next episode is "The Mountain and The Viper", so i hope that the fight actually happens in that ep, lol

shinta|hikari

Mon, 05-19-2014, 10:38 AM

Jamie looks particularly lame when sword fighting. It looks so... choreographed and fake. I hope this fight is nothing like that.

Death BOO Z

Mon, 05-19-2014, 11:59 AM

Seems like the mountain got an actor change. it's happening a lot this season..

Penner

Mon, 05-19-2014, 12:18 PM

Yeah, why do they keep changing actors, do they not have any form of contracts?

Granted, it's noticeable but not super annoying for me since it's so long between each season, and so far it's not any of the actual "main" chars.

I guess it's going to be a lot more noticeable/annoying for those people that prefer to save the show and then marathon it later... going from one ep straight to the next and some people suddenly look completely different, lol

shinta|hikari

Mon, 05-19-2014, 12:35 PM

I understand the Daario change though. The previous actor would not have matched the current intelligent playboy image Daario has.

Animeniax

Mon, 05-19-2014, 01:00 PM

I keep seeing actors/actresses from GoT appearing in other shows (and not just the dead characters). Considering some characters don't make an appearance except once every few episodes, I'd guess they take other work where their schedule doesn't allow them to appear on GoT. Or maybe they demand more money now that the show is a success, so they get the axe.

Death BOO Z

Mon, 05-19-2014, 01:11 PM

it's both, I guess. did they finish filming before the season started, or are they still filming during it?

Animeniax

Mon, 05-19-2014, 02:32 PM

All 4 seasons finished filming before the seasons were aired.

Splash!

Mon, 05-19-2014, 02:53 PM

Seems like the mountain got an actor change. it's happening a lot this season..

Isn't this like the third actor to be playing the mountain? It's gotten real hard to take Gregor Clegane seriously in this show, which is a pity because his very mention is supposed to inspire fear. Yet whenever we get to see him, all I can think about is "who the hell is that?". This latest iteration actually reminded me of a big cuddly bear (compared to the last 2), even though the scene they introduced him in had people being sliced up by his hands.

shinta|hikari

Mon, 05-19-2014, 03:07 PM

I actually felt the same way. He looked like a cute lumbering idiot, much like a teddy bear.

Penner

Mon, 05-19-2014, 03:08 PM

This latest iteration actually reminded me of a big cuddly bear (compared to the last 2), even though the scene they introduced him in had people being sliced up by his hands.

He does look like a big bear, with emphasis on big... the dude is 2.05m(6' 8") tall and weighs fucking 183kg (403lbs)

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Also, that is one hell of a sword o.O

Edit: Dat feel when i noticed he was born in 1988, making him 4 years younger than me. Fuck lol

shinta|hikari

Mon, 05-19-2014, 03:21 PM

He is 2 years younger than me. WTF.

Ryllharu

Mon, 05-19-2014, 05:12 PM

I legitimately could not remember when we were supposed to have seen him before. I'm not sure the Mountain was ever mentioned by name while he was on screen at any time prior to this. He's felt consistently like someone talked about all the time but never really shown.

poopdeville

Mon, 05-19-2014, 05:41 PM

He fought in a tournament in the first season. He killed Ser Hugh of the Vale.

And he showed up somewhere else, but I don't remember. http://gameofthrones.wikia.com/wiki/Gregor_Clegane?file=Tywin_and_Gregor.jpg

Splash!

Mon, 05-19-2014, 09:37 PM

Yeah, I remember the first actor from when he sliced off the horse's head. The second time, it was a different actor when Tywin was having a strategy meeting at Harrenhal about how to deal with Robb Stark.

He is 2 years younger than me. WTF.

That's the thing, he does look a bit young. Certainly not old enough to be the Hound's elder brother.

Death BOO Z

Tue, 05-20-2014, 08:03 AM

yep, only the first actor looks scary (or looks like he has a bit of personality). the last (and seems like 'final', as I don't think he's going to live past prince sex) looks like a generic first level boss. the kind that shows up as a mook in later stages.

Penner

Wed, 05-21-2014, 11:04 AM

Heh, cute :P

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Penner

Thu, 05-22-2014, 12:41 PM

God damnit... no episode this sunday because of some holiday shit?

shinta|hikari

Thu, 05-22-2014, 01:26 PM

Yeah. Well I am going on an anime convention so it is convenient because I won't miss it. Probably the reason.

Augury

Fri, 05-23-2014, 02:14 AM

Memorial Day in the U.S. I think they skipped a week last year too.

Ryllharu

Fri, 05-23-2014, 07:13 AM

shinta|hikari

Fri, 05-23-2014, 09:29 AM

Doesn't mean anything changes for Sunday night.

I guess they just assume people are traveling to visit family, parades, memorials or whatever.

People like me who will be doing something else the entire weekend will not be able to watch it if they air it.

Animeniax

Fri, 05-23-2014, 10:13 PM

Yeah, Memorial Day might be one of the more important U.S. holidays...but it is on Monday. The U.S. really only has about seven major holidays (that most people get off of work). Four if you're stringent. Memorial Day weekend is all about retail sales and barbeques. Doesn't mean anything changes for Sunday night.

I guess they just assume people are traveling to visit family, parades, memorials or whatever.A lot of people will be drunk Sunday night as well instead of just Saturday night.

edit: Just started season 3, saw the episode where Jamie loses his hand. I had forgotten how that happened in the books, kept thinking Brienne would do it out of anger at him.

Penner

Sun, 06-01-2014, 11:35 PM

Poor Jorah just cannot catch a break lol

The Hounds reaction and Arya bursting out into laughter when they got told Lysa was dead was amazing :D

And then we have the ending... Holy. Fucking. Shit.

shinta|hikari

Sun, 06-01-2014, 11:50 PM

Oberyn disappointed me. An experienced fighter would not have been killed that way. Even MMA do not make such mistakes. Always ensure that the enemy is incapacitated. He ridiculed Tyrion's lack of fighting experience, only to be killed by an error that screams immaturity.

It was a fitting end for him though. He was whimsical and careless. No matter how much skill you have, you will die with such qualities in battle. I really liked Oberyn. It is unfortunate I am disappointed yet again (as always with many other characters) by his stupidity.

Penner

Mon, 06-02-2014, 01:22 AM

The way Oberyn kept on talking/shouting at The Mountain/Lannisters, he went full Inigo Montoya lol

http://img.pandawhale.com/post-38820-hello-my-name-is-Inigo-Montoya-faCJ.gif

He did indeed fuck around and take way too many risks but i guess since this fight was so incredibly personal to him his feelings must have been going into overdrive and messing him up.

Death BOO Z

Mon, 06-02-2014, 11:01 AM

it was so silly seeing how they switch between the obviously skilled body doubles doing the choreography and between the sloppy editty scenes with the actual actors. I would have believed it more if Oberyn would have suffered some injuries during the battle itself, make it seem like an even match, and have the blood-loss & andernaline cloud his judgement.

I'm not sure what to make of Arya's reaction, maybe she's laughing at the hound (for going this far and still not getting paid), but I feel as if she's laughing at herself. she's starting to see the pattern here, every time she gets close to someone, there's a killing. she really should go to killer school, it seems less deadly.

shinta|hikari

Mon, 06-02-2014, 11:32 AM

What killer school?

Penner

Mon, 06-02-2014, 12:44 PM

Btw, how awesome is Sansas new look?

She even changed her hair color :eek:

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Death BOO Z

Mon, 06-02-2014, 01:12 PM

the guy who changes his face gave her a stupid bravos coin that summons him to take her to face-wraping assassin school.
she needs to find a bravos man and tell him "all men must die" (vallaar margoli) and then shit happens.

also, Loved the new evil makeover for sansa. it was an amazing scene. and the brotherly banter between Jamie and Tyrion was awesoe.

Penner

Mon, 06-02-2014, 04:11 PM

Awww :)

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Ryllharu

Mon, 06-02-2014, 04:43 PM

I'm not sure what to make of Arya's reaction, maybe she's laughing at the hound (for going this far and still not getting paid), but I feel as if she's laughing at herself. she's starting to see the pattern here, every time she gets close to someone, there's a killing.
She's laughing because it is the only thing she can do in a situation like that. Her life is shit. She gets the slim idea that she can get reunited with whatever is left of her family and she's already dead when they get there. Just like with her mother.

It was a beautifully acted scene. Her laughter seems good natured and natural, but there's faint look of sadness there too (when she raises her eyebrows it looks like she's about to start crying).

The Hound too. At first he's pissed, then horrified, then shocked, then dumbstruck at his shitty luck all in a few seconds.

They might have told her that her sister was still alive if Littlefinger hadn't lied to the guards. But Arya doesn't even get that much. She really has the worst luck. If she was only a sliver more fortunate, someone would have killed her by now and spared her from the misery.

Carnage

Mon, 06-02-2014, 06:19 PM

Animeniax

Mon, 06-02-2014, 11:18 PM

I think Im going to drop this show after this season, 90% of this episode was ridiculous filler.

Edit: And I'm tired of the writers changing the actual scenes from the books. Sansa was not supposed to reveal her identity to the lords of the Vale, only defend Little Finger.

Is the non-canon writing so bad that you couldn't enjoy it on its own merits? I read the complaints about the gratuitous sex and nudity and changes from the books in the second and third seasons, but I didn't see all that much of it when watching those seasons. Did you read the books recently? Maybe you're remembering them incorrectly or incompletely.

Some things I find different from the books, not necessarily bad, just different:

Sansa is more of a victim that you feel compassion for that the obnoxious dumb bitch she is in the books.
Lord Varys is a lot more likable in the show than in the books. His motives are more noble and less seedy.

Carnage

Mon, 06-02-2014, 11:40 PM

Is the non-canon writing so bad that you couldn't enjoy it on its own merits? I read the complaints about the gratuitous sex and nudity and changes from the books in the second and third seasons, but I didn't see all that much of it when watching those seasons. Did you read the books recently? Maybe you're remembering them incorrectly or incompletely.

Some things I find different from the books, not necessarily bad, just different:

Sansa is more of a victim that you feel compassion for that the obnoxious dumb bitch she is in the books.
Lord Varys is a lot more likable in the show than in the books. His motives are more noble and less seedy.

No, literally half of season 4 is filler. Seasons 2 and 3 had maybe one scene each episode that was embellished.

shinta|hikari

Mon, 06-02-2014, 11:56 PM

I have not read the books, but a friend of mine (who is a writer) actually says that the show is better than the books since it cuts out a lot of fat, like POV characters that will die right after being introduced. He also said that the show changed or combined some characters to give them more weight.

I do not think that deviation from the original makes a story worse. Sometimes it actually improves it. I am not really seeing the deterioration some book fans are saying about the series.

I do have a lot of complaints that book fans do not really speak about, like why the hell is Oberyn using shaolin staff techniques using a spear, but I can look past those because of the great dialog and story.