Your explanation on the Third does not show why he was not a main character, so you know.

anyways...

Sorry, I guess I didn't notice you were being sarcastic.

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No sarcastic comment this time since y'all don't seem to get why arguing about this is pointless to begin with.
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I'm not saying you were being serious but you don't really make it clear if you are being sarcastic or not.

We have some facts to work with, so we can make observations based off past events and information given to us.

Obviously we have no way of proving if we are indeed correct at this point but many people don't want to read the managa / get spoiled (hence the rules of the Naruto Anime Forum) so we have discussions seeing others opinions on the subject. Calling someone a moron for starting this discussion is ignorant and rude.

To sum this up, don't rag on a discussion because the information is out there knowing that many people (your self included I would guess from your not reading the manga) don't want to get the information from the more boring media ( heh =P ). They all know the manga is out there, you don't have to remind them. Also you may submit your opinion, but trying to say this discussion is wrong or pointless just disrupts the process and does not contribute at all.