episode 23,24,25 discussion

[XwingRob]

Originally posted by: Barumonk

Originally posted by: XwingRob
Anyways, here's my next crazy ass theory. ... I think Blue Cosmos is currently under the influence of Logos, which is... an alien organization. Logos is taking advantage of the hate between Coordinators and Naturals in an attempt to wipe out the human race.

Actually a few days ago when I was rewatching SEED I started wondering what happened to 'Evidence-01'. It was randomly prominent during SEED, almost as a way of foreshadowing, but unfortunatly there has been no mention of it at all in Destiny so far. =/

Yeah, Evidence-01 was sorta the reason why I'm even thinking of this as well. Maybe when the first Coordinator brought 01 back, it pissed them off, and made the aliens angry at the Coordinators.

[kaigan]

the day when shinn join forces with kira is a sad day for everyone. fuck u shinn and stellar.

looks like kira is opening more cans of whoop ass on the preview.

[Terracosmo]

So I take it I'm the only one that thinks the new opening is way too slow for a GSD song? Seriously, it looks stupid as hell with those scenes... bah.. hopefully it'll grow on me.

Edit: Just watched ending 3, wow, almost moved me to tears. Not only was the song beautiful, it also had all those old chars and it reminded me of the wonderful feeling back during the Seed addiction times. Shani ;_;

Great ending. More than makes up for the new bad opening!

[NomoZ]

Third ending? Did I miss something? The ending on my ep 25 was the same as the 2nd.

[Terracosmo]

There's a link to a torrent of the 3rd one in... ehh.. some topic here.

[Barumonk]

Originally posted by: NomoZ
Third ending? Did I miss something? The ending on my ep 25 was the same as the 2nd.

Phase 26 has the new ending. I think its probably ok to talk about it in here since we're merging the episode topics right now anyway.

[Aeon]

Originally posted by: NomoZ
Third ending? Did I miss something? The ending on my ep 25 was the same as the 2nd.

Here's a torrent for it

http://thepiratebay.org/download.php...ED.mpg.torrent

Just watched it and didn't like it that much. Though it was cool seeing the old characters.

[Guardian_2000]

So Terra do you still think that Neo isn't Mwu? Just curious if seeing the third opening has given you any doubt. I mean the clone angle is still a possibility but looking more and more doubtful.

[Terracosmo]

Well then, guess this is where I lay the smackdown on you guys who are stupid enough to think that Mwu, despite getting blown up, somehow has switched sides because HE HAS THE SAME VOICE ACTOR. I guess that means Kruuze jumped into a time machine and became Rey because he has the same voice too? Anyway, enjoy:



WELL WHAT DO YOU KNOW! It seems like Neo/Mwu wore a wig during Rey's youth... and not only that, he HAS A ZAFT UNIFORM. The hawk of endymion was actually a ZAFT general working for bloody Gilbert... all in the most utmost form of secrecy. Now we all know what he was secretly doing to achieve his great EA status, he was a spy for ZAFT!

Well then! Proof against Mwu being Neo:

1. He works for some random group as the captain for a bunch of elite soldiers.
2. He pretends like he doesn't know any of the old chars. If he was Mwu, wouldn't he recognize Kira and the rest?
3. HE IS EVIL!!! (probably)
4. He is -ALIVE-..
5. He supports cloning and genetical engineering.
6. HE IS NOTHING LIKE MWU OTHERWISE EITHER.

Proof for Mwu being Neo:

1. The voice.

Well then! If you are convinced, you may lay down and kiss my feet, and be sorry that you didn't use your common sense to begin with. Besides, unmasked Neo looks nothing like Mwu. Not even terribly much in the face (despite the fact that Seed chars all have similar faces, that is). Same hair color, but that's it. If Mwu survived, wouldn't he have more than a few scars in his face? At least Andy lost bodyparts... (but then again, they do look similar enough for Ramius to "maybe" mistake him for Mwu in the opening. ALTHOUGH, it's not necessarily Mwu she sees there. It might be someone else she recognizes, right?)

If Mwu is still Neo for some reason, then I shall gladly eat my lipstick and laugh at the GSD crew for the worst plot twist ever.

Game, set and match... honey bunches.

[Mite Gai]

actually i wasnt goin on the voice actor point since that doesnt prove anything, I was just going based on the openings though now it looks like my worst fears are confirmed, its another clone of his father. GOD I AM SO SICK OF HIS DADS CLONES!!!!!!! geez man two was more than enuff, but now he has had three running around causin trouble!

[Guardian_2000]

What a startling rebuttal. So thorough and factual. Please keep digging thou. Heres just a lil thing I've been hearing that seems to fit.

The whole not knowing anyone. Whats that machine they used on Stellar? Something that wipes memories? Nah they'd never use it on one of the EA's ace pilots. Never... Someone has to accept reality and other possiblities. I'm surprised you couldn't think of that one. Have you realized that the flashback was to the young Rau or am I the only one that picked up on this one?.? Perhaps you forgot about him? He didn't always wear a mask... I like the screenshot thou. Shows you do try to dig up some evidence. Anyways lets look at your stuff.

Well then! Proof against Mwu being Neo: (Some proof I gotta tell you. Most intelligent people call it evidence, proof requires facts)

1. He works for some random group as the captain for a bunch of elite soldiers.
(Right a random group belonging to the EA/Blue Cosmos. Its not like Mwu was ever an elite soldier either for the EA)
2. He pretends like he doesn't know any of the old chars. If he was Mwu, wouldn't he recognize Kira and the rest?
(Just like Stellar pretends she doesn't remember Shinn. Explained this alil above)
3. HE IS EVIL!!! (probably)
(Stellar is evil too. Well I guess not. She's actually been brainwashed. They couldn't have done that to Mwu in just 2 years.)
4. He is -ALIVE-..
(Where did Mwu's corpse go again. Strike was disintegrated. Confirm Mwu died you can use this one.)
5. He supports cloning and genetical engineering.
(I would too if I didn't remember who I was and was brainwashed which is a possibility for him)
6. HE IS NOTHING LIKE MWU OTHERWISE EITHER.
(Piloting a MA, Having newtype sense, similar catch phrases, hair, voice, face.... No nothing even remotely similar, even giving the fact 2 years have gone by. Plus its not like there is surgery or aritificial limbs if he lost something)

Evidence for Mwu being Neo/Clone:

1. The Voice
2. The face
3. Hair
4. Same piloting ability in MA
5. Newtype Reactions
6. Ramius's reaction (coming to tears at the unmasked Neo) The guy looks like Mwu
-----------------Not likely for a clone
7. Neo's age (Why clone himself and then clone his son? You'd also think Mwu would of noticed the younger mwu like he remembered the young Rau.)
8. "lil kitten"
9. Scars on face. (All we know of. Then again this might not be neo unmasked. Unlikely but possible)

You played a very poor turn. Maybe next one you will win. Maybe next one I will.

[XwingRob]

Also, in the DVD I heard they removed the scene where you see Mwu's helmet floating in space after he got blowned up.

[Deblas]

Originally posted by: XwingRob
Also, in the DVD I heard they removed the scene where you see Mwu's helmet floating in space after he got blowned up.

stupid rumors. The dvd hasn't even come out yet. Anyway, judging by the op. Meer is back in the A.A. Mwu is alive and is neo. and Athrun sometimes sneeks off from the minerva to sleep with Cagalli.

[ZeroJquan]

Ahhh.. i have to disagree.. the DVD ... DID came out, in Jap AND American, Check your local movie stores... they came out 1 month after the end of Gundam-Seed in Japan and 6 months in the U.S. , they actually did an interview on TM revolution and the producer for Gundam Seed about the sucess of the anime and how many copies they sold.. Not sure about the rumor.. but def. the dvd came out.

[Deblas]

Originally posted by: ZeroJquan
Ahhh.. i have to disagree.. the DVD ... DID came out, in Jap AND American, Check your local movie stores... they came out 1 month after the end of Gundam-Seed in Japan and 6 months in the U.S. , they actually did an interview on TM revolution and the producer for Gundam Seed about the sucess of the anime and how many copies they sold.. Not sure about the rumor.. but def. the dvd came out.

There are ten volumes of the dvd containing 5 episodes each volume. The last volume contains the ep. where Mwu dies and it hasn't been released yet. It sheduled for May or something.

[Terracosmo]

I played a poor turn eh? I'll call you next time I give a damn about how you evaluate my thoughts. God, you're annoying. Anyway...

I don't need to dig up evidence. Common sense dictates that it isn't Mwu. If he lost all his memory would it still be Mwu? NO! Stop being such a tightass.
It might be a clone, but if it is indeed Mwu with lost memory.. it isn't Mwu anymore, because Mwu without his memory isn't fucking Mwu.

And why the goddamn hell would they show Rau in a flashback with Rey when it's Neo that Rey has newtype reactions with, and in this flashback Rau looks exactly like unmasked Neo?
BTW, Rau was always seen wearing white clothes. Of course that might be so much back in the future that Rau was just a redcoat... but do you think it'd go this deep?

Think what you want, but you'll be the one polishing my shoes when you get proven wrong.
Oh and "Most intelligent people call it evidence". Too bad you referred to your "facts" as evidence, because if there is something you don't have... it's intelligence. Get off your high horse, kid.
I also fail to see how this EVIDENCE are any more valid than my PROOF. Since they are both results of thinking, just that you belive yours to be correct based on random "facts" floating around when I use my common sense... too bad that I don't have your INTELLIGENCE! if I did I'd might be able to somehow agree with the realization that Mwu is now a masked badguy.

God, can't believe I'm even trying...

By the way, what kind of EVIDENCE (haha) is "they have the same face". All characters have almost the same face in GS/D. Mwu's & Neo's faces aren't more alike than anyone else's.
Oh yeah, if you think it's Rau in the Rey flashback than everything you says become void because guess what... his hair is exactly the same as Neo's [img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-wink.gif[/img]
Speaking of Rau, how the hell do you know that he didn't wear a mask when he was younger?

[Guardian_2000]

Apparently a quick call since your reply means you give a damn. Again thou a good try. So lets tackle this ramble.

So if say the you lost your memory (amnesia). You wouldn't be you. You wouldn't work where you work, wouldn't have your parents or siblings. You'd just be nothing. You wouldn't have that same charming personality. You'd be another person. Wow its amazing how common sense has gone down the shitter in some parts of the world. You're the tightass. Stellar has proved that the memory loss might not be permanant. so our Mwu could still be in there also.

I don't know why would a possible clone of Rau would be with Rau. And the VA of Rau and Rey are the same. Its not like Rau was a psycho thou (think about this alil). Cloning himself wouldn't work anyways probably, could have cloned the original sample. He obviously had been to Mendel before.. Your still grab is definately up there on quality. Rau was a redcoat earlier on about that many years in the past too judging from Rey's age and such. I'm trying to remember if it was a flashback image or scan I saw of the early Cruesset team. If I can dig it up I'll post. You can leave that one on common sense then for now, he would of been a lower rank earlier on. I try not to doubt anything. I'm open to all possibilities. Especially when strongly presented. Plus I hear alot.

Did I say i had facts? Or was I mocking you? I think I called it evidence. Most of this is all just speculation, hearsay, and as you said common sense. It isn't smart to ignore evidence. While your theory is possible as well it just doens't have as much evidence backing it. As for me lacking intelligence do I need to rebuttal? I've given more than enough info backing the theories I have. It would especially suck if I was right and an unintelligent person got the better of you. But that is off in the distance when this gets finished. I'm having a hell of a time right now debating over this. Are you willing to step down from being a mod if you were wrong? I'd bet my membership I'm right and Neo is Mwu if you did. Maybe I'm more of a stronger believer thou. I'll also come off my horse if you get off yours.

Both Neo and Mwu have used the kitty cat/lil kitten however you want to translate it. Ep 23 of SEED and the very very end of Ep 15 for Destiny. Not even a clone is gonna have exactly the same mannerisms. They weren't raised the same. But then again I haven't seen many catch this tidbit of evidence. Your proof (evidence) has just about as much credentials as mine. Thats what I use to think its not Mwu or a Clone. But there is too much going for Neo being Mwu to ignore it. Results of thinking yes but you don't seem open to possibilities. Which is why I find it hard to believe yours since if your not open to possibilities you'll very easily miss stuff.

I explained earlier why you were trying. Most try to give their side substance and credibility. You want your views to be as right as anyone elses.

The comment same face corresponds to the man with the scars and the facial expression and eyes is a dead ringer for Mwu if two years had passed. Even his damn eyes are the same color. And thats something they have quite a variety of. You look at the expression of the man in the flashback it looks how Rau would have looked back then. Or an older Rey. The eyes thou remind me of the chairman even the hair is slightly similar. But that connection if existant may be explained later.

Everything I said becomes void because the hair is Exactly like Neo's. What orifice did you pull that from? I know Rau didn't wear a mask when he was younger due to Mwu's flashbacks from when he was a kid. And that image from when he was redcoat. But until i find it on the internet again you can drop that one. The ending sorta also shares the idea of a connection between Rau and Rey. I'm surprised thou Mwu is in the ending but where is Neo? I mean his lil drones are there but not him I don't believe.

Opened up to the greater possibility that Neo may just be Mwu? Or you gonna sit there and deny everything without anything. I have to eat Lunch.

[drag0nf1am3]

Well i believe that neo is a clone of Mwu unless there some incredible way he survive a head-on blast with a positron cannon...which would be stupid. Also Rey is Rau's clone and that was a young Rau talking to the chairman since he his Mwu father's clone so the family resemblance is there.Eh what do i know i'm new ehehehhe

[Terracosmo]

I'd read it all, but unfortunately one more sentence from you is going to make me cringe. Speeding to the bottom: Enjoy your lunch.
You are the type of guy that I in 10 years will classify as: why-the-fuck-did-I-bother. Thus, let's just leave it at the fact that we have different opinions and they can't be changed.
I lack intelligence! You lack common sense! All is happy in the world of geekiness.

[Knives122]

Originally posted by: drag0nf1am3
Well i believe that neo is a clone of Mwu unless there some incredible way he survive a head-on blast with a positron cannon...which would be stupid. Also Rey is Rau's clone and that was a young Rau talking to the chairman since he his Mwu father's clone so the family resemblance is there.Eh what do i know i'm new ehehehhe

well thats a reasonable argument, but if I remember correctly Kira survived Athrun's infamous "Gundam Self Destruction technique" while part of the cock-pit was exposed and he only got out of that with a scracth, and if you notice in the new ending, Neo isnt in there at all when they show every character from both series all I saw was Mwu

hmmmmmm I wonder why