Originally posted by: Chaoskiddo
but how many poeple do you think can acctually perform the jutsu the 3rd and 4th used?

Any1 notice that kakashi has only used 4 or 5 classification of moves.
1. would be chidori or raiki.
2. would be some konoha moves (wait have we seen any of these by him? for example shadow or fire?)
3. water techniques, we've seen the water dragon quite a few times
4. would be his dog summoning
5. if you count would be taijutsu...

technically should he be able to perform lightening and earth moves? i dont even think i've ever seen him use a konoha move.
Chaos, I just don't think we've gotten the chance to see Kakashi use those things yet, I mean he's called the "Copy Ninja" for fucks sake! He's said to have over 1000 techniques under his belt. Cheer up, I'm sure he has a lot, and we just haven't seen him use it. Most of the Suiton he's used was to counter other Suiton maneuvers, he hasn't fought any opponents in the series yet utilizing the other 5 elements. I'm sure has some knowledge of Ka, Rai, Do, Hyo, Fuu, and Sui under his belt.


Crows_Kill said:

Most complete package, oro- more jutsu than kakashi on a good day, no consience, and fully realized talent and ability. Not to mention he's pure evil and has more charisma than hitler with a case of beer. Kakashi would be second over all, and we've seen more out of him too, so he's a proven ninja. I don't think I'm contradicting myself here- kakashi is more skillful, but oro uses all of his abilities, including manipulation, jitsus, summons, seals, intelligence, and has more pure powwer behind his abilities than kakashi.

aint that the fucking truth! And he runs the "rice" country which could infact actually be Nam hahaha! Orochimaru's a communist!!! Get him!!! Also, I like how you give instances on everyone's strengths. I think there may be situtations where even the most ass kicking shinobi could lose due to other extenuating circumstances, I.e. Itachi fighting Gaara in a desert....come on....I don't care how much you love Itachi, it would be suicide... Or if Itachi woke up with a cataract or Glycoma one day? Then he's be all fucked up on weed all the time.

Y The Alien said:

Orochimaru blows compared to the Third Hokage. He had two other Hokages helping him the whole battle and he still didn't dominate.

Agreed, Sandaime proved to me that he was not someone to fuck around with, even at the end...

Y The Alien also said:

There is no logical way to counter Itachi's genjutsu that destroys your mind besides the anime martial artist tactic of closing your eyes and 'feeling' the enemy's position and moves with chakra. Since there's no indication that anyone in Naruto can do this reliably, Itachi would thrash ANYONE in a straight up fight just by looking at them and exploding their brain.

Hmm...yeah, I wonder if Byakugan could get by it since it can see in chakra sight , or if Gai looking at only Itachi's feet could do it? Or even Gaara using that Shukaku sand eye to see for him... could Shukaku be Tsukiyomied? Well until that is found out, Itachi can essentially kill anyone in eyesight.


-Sharingan- Kakashi- said

i rated kisame below kakashi because kisame was taken aback when he heard that kakshi has beaten zabuza. kisame was one of the swordsmen of the mist, so we can infer that he is around, maybe a little above the strength of zabuza, who kakashi beat. i dont think he would have been shocked if he knew zabuza was way weaker than him.

I'm tired of people beating on Kisame, if he's in Akatsuki then he's not someone to take lightly.
FACT1 Kisame is in Akatsuki
FACT2 Kisame is one of the few Mist Ninja of the Shinobigatana
FACT3 Kisame has neither won nor lost against anyone as of yet, at least in the anime, I'm not sure about the manga, haven't really read it yet.
Anywho any smart ninja doesn't lay out all his aces on the table at the begining of a hand, you wait for the kill. We don't know much about Kisame really, and that is what makes him dangerous. I mean those shinobigatana mist ninja have survived as rounins for how long!? They aren't weak.


As for my views, with the Itachi/Jiraiya thing, 1st tsukiyomi Itachi used on Kakashi cause Itachi is an arrogant fuck and wanted to put Kakashi in his place (didn't know he'd be encountering Jiraiya yet)
2nd Tsukiyomi on Sasuke....not exactly sure, kind of a chakra waste since he was treating Sasuke like a fast bag (maybe stupid arrogance is Itachi's weakness?)
3rd Amaterasu, to get the fuck outta the frog's stomach (why did Itachi run....well he was running low on Chakra, Jiraiya had him trapped, Jiraiya was fresh on Chakra and looking to kick Itachi's ass, and has and advantage of all sorts of unknown techniques...that is my best reason on why Itachi ran)

next.

Tsunade
We've seen her in one fight, she's old, she's out of practice, she was also arrogant and underestimated Kabuto, her hemophobia struck, she got stabbed and slashed a fuckload, did a huge fuck off summon, and used a developed technique sacrificing probably 10 years of her life to fix her body faster than you can nuke a cup of ramen! Tsunade is not fucking weak, granted, she lost to Kabuto, but then beat Orochi's ass inspite of her injuries. She doesn't use much in the way of attack ninjutsu, but is obviously a taijutsu master(her form was ass kicking! Her balance and stance great!) Then there is the ridiculous Dragon Ballesque strength. So....just back the fuck off with the whole Tsunade thing before you look like an ass. Is she the strongest...no....would Kabuto survive a second encounter with her....well I sure as hell wouldn't want to be Kabuto and meet Tsunade in a bar after that. Also, did you see Konohamaru's traps in Sandaime's office and how she just walked through there?
Come on!!! You gotta give her props for that.

next Kabuto

Kabuto is Orochimaru's bitch, personal assistant, candy striper nurse, personal spy, (and probably fuck buddy)
Needless to say, he's handier than a swiss army knife when you need to open a can, while giving yourself a manicure in a knife fight. Kabuto has been noted to on equal level or better than Kakashi. Do we know that as a fact...no...not really. Kabuto is a spy, bodyguard, and nurse first. He doesn't get to go out and pick fights very much. But I remember seeing his face in the Chuunin exam when he got cut on the nose and thinking "fuck....there's more to this guy....he's scary" He looked like he was on that "red eye" shit from Cowboy Bebop's first episode! Is Kabuto stronger than Akatsuki members....I dunno, maybe, maybe he's on par with some of them, we don't know. Maybe if the other members don't know about him, Orochi will send him to spy on them next? Its possible, he's not to be taken lightly. The facts are...we just don't know.

next
Akatsuki

Who's the stongest in the group, who's the weakest? My questions...Who the hell knows? and How can you come to a conclusion now anyways? We haven't even met them all yet, and people are automatically making judgments about who's the weakest (i.e. Kisame mostly) My guess is the weakest member of Akatsuki is the nerdy tech they hire to build them FUCKING HOLOGRAM PROJECTORS!!! Just put this question on hold for now.

Orochimaru vs. Itachi

I've spoken about this on other threads and to sum up, Orochi thinks the Sharingan is the bee's knees and just swell! So much so that he probably thinks someone with mastery over it such as Itachi is automatically stronger because he can copy everything that took Orochi several lifetimes to compile in a matter of seconds. Plus the whole Bloodline limit. He want to kill Itachi bad...but he's not going to fuck with him till he thinks they are on equal ground. Who knows, Itachi thought highly of Jiraiya, he may also think that Orochimaru is the dog's bollocks compared to himself. We just don't know.

next...

the youkai (demons)

Let's not even go here since their power seems to be thought of as omnipotent, or nearly anyways. Is Kyuubi no kitsune more power than Shukaku no Tannuki? Who knows....who cares? Will we find out? all maybes. Besides the youkai is only as strong as the wielder allows it to be.

My conclusion:

Since Naruto started we were told that the most powerful of shinobi were the kages. We learned from Sarutobi's battle that they are indeed insanely powerful. Orochi killed 2 kages, therefore Orochimaru can feasibly be considered to be a kage level ninja, as well as Tsunade since she is also now Godaime Hokage, and I guess Jiraiya since he's believed to be on the same level. I've never seen a member of Akatsuki kill a kage, but then I haven't read the manga yet. Therefore until I learn otherwise this is my list of the strongest.

1. The living kages and those who've killed kages
2. Sannin (Just Jiraiya now, since the other two fit into catagory 1)
3. Akatsuki
4. Shinobi thought higher than Jounin (Kabuto, Mist nin of the Shinobigatana, ANBU, maybe someone else I'm forgetting)
5. Jounin
6. Chuunin
7. Genin (The rookie 9 could possibly be considered Chuunin or Jounin level by strength standards in some instances)

I don't think there is a single strongest ninja alive...there is just not enough information available to form anything more than a hypothesis on that yet.