Who is really the STRONGEST

[Ryllharu]

But Jiraya and Oro are both really afraid of Tsunade. (True, Oro didn't have arms at the time, but still.) So therefore, Tsunade must own all.
</sarcasm, well, maybe not that sarcastic>

But seriously, this thread is kinda stupid, most of "who'd win this fight?' is situational. Diedara would have been obliterated by Gaara if they were in the open desert or he still didn't care about anyone else.

[Roko]

there are too many side factors to correctly judge who is strongest. One can be the strongest in one environment and situation and time period and yet the weakest in another. But still, its fun to argue 'bout who's the strongest. Myself, I can't decide.

[Enderz]

But the strongest people are the people in itachis group, i have forgot there name but those who are in the group is just as strong as oro (he was one of them but quited). so it should be lika a boss in the group thats really strong

[galarnon]

First I want to apologize for bringing up this thread again, but I read it just now.(I'm new)
I also want to apologize for writing so much but I had so much in mind and I wanne share it with u guys.
OMG I can't understand u guys at all. All of u suggested that itachi is the strongest (except one) and all of u treated kisame as a weakling. Thats why I had to sign in here and write my opnion. I do not agree with u guys at all.
I truly believe that Oro is the strongest. (first I give u my list then I'll explain)

1. Orochimaru
2. Jiraya
3. Itachi
4. Tsunade
5. Kisame
6. Kakashi/Gai/Kabuto

Well there's a simple explation why I ranked them the way I did. Itachi (as someone I think already said) is just 17.
damn guys just fucking 17. its nothing he's just a boy and with all the honor (and I have one for him he's still ranked so high for his age) he can't be compared in fighting lvl to Oro/Jir. U guys underestimate Oro too much. I know backthere Oro said something of him being less stronger than Itachi but I believe he meant itachi would be stronger than him when he'll get to his age, and not now when he's just 17 and Oro is an exprieneced crazy dude.

Now to explain why Kisame is treated to be so strong. Ok guys read this and think about it, Kisame is inside the terrifying clan "Aktsuki"(Red Moon), if u ranked him below kakashi that's means kabuto is stronger than him and kabuto could be in the Aktsuki, which makes no sense. I believe kishimoto is yet to relieve the true power of Kisame. Also do not forget how aktsuki members mantioned Kisame's chakra to be so high.(and I know it was said after u guys wrote it but still) That must means he has some crazy ass abilities.

As for kakashi I never thought of him as an Hokage type or an Hokage lvl type. He's just too weak for it by now, but as I said he's just 27 and could get much stronger in the future do not forget.

I also want to flatter to the guy who devided the "who's the strongest" list to the younges and over 16 aged. I think it was very smart and right doing so. Naruto's and Sasuke's power cannot be lvled or compared to those of the old guys. it's just no fair, the reason is the fact they will get much stronger in future, and this is my list:

1. Garra - which I believed (before aktsuki took his demon) will get to be the strongest char in the future.
2. Naruto
3. Neji
4. Sasuke (can't really tell cause hadn't heard of him for almost 3 years)
5. Lee (yes I treat him weaker than Neji, although he's an extremly dangoures taijutsu type, ninjutsu/genjutsu is what counts)

amm I remembred someone asked for kimi's clan. Well it's called the "kaguya" clan.

[Weilun]

Hmmm but i still think Jiraiya is stronger than Itachi. Because if Itachi would actually used the God Of Sun to escape, why wouldnt he just use it on JIraiya and get rid of him once and for all ?

[folf]

If Naruto broke one of Itachi's illusions, as he might in a short while, I'm not saying this would be a victory for Naruto, but then again, it could be seen this way. Itachi might not believe Naruto capable of freeing himself on his own, much like Jirara did not believe Itachi capable of escaping from that summon.
Each of these developments could be important, I'm not sure how impressed Naruto actually was when Itachi escaped, -Both Itachi and Jirara probably recognized one another as badasses, but Jirara still got a good heads up) and so 259 was good because even if Naruto does pull something, -which he might- he should still appreciate Itachi more afterwards -unless you believe Naruto's ego will raise just because Itachi eventually leaves- ; )

I wonder if Itachi has come to hate the eye he has come to rely upon for the tough battles...
I'd personally prefer watching Sasuke and Itachi use Shurikans over Sharingans.

[Y]

Originally posted by: Weilun
Hmmm but i still think Jiraiya is stronger than Itachi. Because if Itachi would actually used the God Of Sun to escape, why wouldnt he just use it on JIraiya and get rid of him once and for all ?

There is a distinct oddity about Itachi's actions in that arc. He uses a Tsukiyomi on Kakashi for no real reason, except to possibly secure his escape route to go get Naruto. He wastes another Tsukiyomi on Sasuke for no reason other than to shit on his brain. Because of this he is then forced to use Amaterasu to escape. Now why didn't he kill Jiraiya with his attack instead of just crushing Sasuke's dreams? Possibilities:

1) He didn't know if it would kill Jiraiya. He did say a confrontation might result in all their deaths, so he was probably uncertain as to whether or not the Tsukiyomi would succeed
2) He never intended to capture Naruto at that time and used his powers to provoke Sasuke instead.
3) Itachi is a moron.
4) The Tsukiyomi doesn't actually kill anyone and neither does the Amaterasu.

Order of likelihood, in my opinion.

[ChaosK]

Originally posted by: folf
If Naruto broke one of Itachi's illusions, as he might in a short while, I'm not saying this would be a victory for Naruto, but then again, it could be seen this way. Itachi might not believe Naruto capable of freeing himself on his own, much like Jirara did not believe Itachi capable of escaping from that summon.
Each of these developments could be important, I'm not sure how impressed Naruto actually was when Itachi escaped, -Both Itachi and Jirara probably recognized one another as badasses, but Jirara still got a good heads up) and so 259 was good because even if Naruto does pull something, -which he might- he should still appreciate Itachi more afterwards -unless you believe Naruto's ego will raise just because Itachi eventually leaves- ; )

I wonder if Itachi has come to hate the eye he has come to rely upon for the tough battles...
I'd personally prefer watching Sasuke and Itachi use Shurikans over Sharingans.

sakura and the old lady broke naruto from itachi's genjutsu. Oro said himself he left atasuki because itachi got stronger than he is. IF you rank oro at top, then u have to put itachi ABOVE him because he right out admitted that itachi was stronger. Thats y i think itachiis top.

Tysukiyomi might've not killed any1 but it DID put kakashi and sasuke in a deep coma which proved that tsukiyomi is extremely dangerous. If your not dead, but in coma forever, i'd say ur still useless.

[folf]

For a parasite, Oro's A-OK.

[Kovash]

Originally posted by: Chaoskiddo
Ysukiyomi might've not killed any1 but it DID put kakashi and sasuke in a deep coma which proved that tsukiyomi is extremely dangerous. If your not dead, but in coma forever, i'd say ur still useless.

This is something that has been bugging me for a while.

Tsukiyomi is a Dojutsu that creates an instantaneous Genjutsu where Itachi can control anything, assumeably totally obliterating the mind - but, the only people he's used it on have been people with the Sharingan (Sasuke and Kakashi in deep comas) BUT, when he uses it against Sasuke when he's just a little kid without the Sharingan, he shrugs it off like it never happened.

Now, I doubt Itachi 'went easy' on him, because he shows Sasuke the exact same thing (the day of slaughter) both times, but it seems to affect Sasuke differently (ie, worse) when he's got the Sharingan.

Which leads me to wonder, perhaps the Mangekyou Sharingan was developed specifically to combat the Uchiha's Sharingan, which (somwhat) explains why Itachi supposedly had to kill his best friend in order to obtain it.

Just a thought, and wild speculation, but it makes a little sense at least.

[Shin_Naruto]

cool observation Kovash...

would be an intresting twist

[Crows_Kill]

Strongest does not mean best.

If you look a pure strength, gai or lee even, with perhaps choji and/or his dad coming in third, would be the physically strongest.
Or gamabuta if you want to count in the summons, but for the sake of this argument, lets leave them out.

Kakashi would have to be the most highly skilled living ninja, the 4th the over all. Second would have to be oro. (by most skilled here, I mean most expirienced, and most honed in their abilities, not over all ability). We've actually seen kakashi own several opponents, and he has shown a skill for every form of jitsu. Oro loses by just a fraction as he seems more concerned with quantity over quality, and relies more on surprise and cunning to win his fights than any real measure of skill or finese.

Naruto has the most chakra, but does not utilize any where near enough (yet). Gara would be second on the list, with kisami coming in as 3rd or maybe higher, as the atsuki guys said he had the highest they've ever seen and thats as close to a true veritable statement of ability or strength that we've seen in the whole series.

Neji would have to be the most talented martial artist, with lee a close second- I would rank gai or kakashi very close, but they have alot more than pure talent to tip the scales.

Naruto would have to be the toughest, with lee the uber punching bag he is, close behind. Jirai's liver might beat them both though.

Most cunning, oro without a doubt, but his old teammate jurai would be right behind him. Shikamaru would be 3rd, maybe higher as he grows.

Single most overpowering/damaging jutsu would have to go to gara in full demom mode, as his air balsts were leveling whole forests and had gama on the run- i dont count him as a summon, as he's closer to naruto in the caged demon catagory. Second, probably naruto kyubi-rasengan, but its just a guess- he didnt really do anyhting with it.

Most powerful non-direct damage jitsu would have to be the tsukiyomi (yes i know its mispelled), uber mind fuck that it is. The sharingan's deus ex machina ability to do just about anything would have to be next.

Most complete package, oro- more jutsu than kakashi on a good day, no consience, and fully realized talent and ability. Not to mention he's pure evil and has more charisma than hitler with a case of beer. Kakashi would be second over all, and we've seen more out of him too, so he's a proven ninja. I don't think I'm contradicting myself here- kakashi is more skillful, but oro uses all of his abilities, including manipulation, jitsus, summons, seals, intelligence, and has more pure powwer behind his abilities than kakashi.

Biggest unkown, itachi- hands down man of mystery- everything we've see of him just makes you wonder what else he is hiding and just what he knows. I'd say jurai would be the 2nd biggest unkown, as he has shown very little of his real skill, and you dont get to be a drunken old letch in anime without also being a hidden bad ass, its a rule.

Biggest potential- naruto, duh. Nuff said. I'd say sasuke and lee would be tied for silver- sasuke for raw talent and good genes, lee for undiscovered (at least by himself) genius and pure determination. Now if only naruto would try using more than his mouth and 2 jitsus in combat, sasuke woudl get his head out of his ass, and lee could avoid being handed his ass at the end of every fight, they would be a force to be reckoned with.

My point, different characters have different strengths. In different sittuations where they can use their strengths effectively, they would stand a better chance of defeating their opponent. Its not as simple as saying neji's fast, or sasukes got a seal, or itachis can make jesus his bitch- the charactes in the story themselves seem to realize this, more so than alot of the readers. For once the author is not spelling it out in easy terms or giving us a deffined power level to the characters (though it might seem to be heading that way, ugh). I think that if itachi had a plan, he could easily take out jirai- just as given the right motivation, lee would kick narutos ass before he could kyubi out a single whisker. Its based more on the strategy and timing of the fight (and the needs of the story) than it is about whos chakra is bigger.

[galarnon]

could someone plz appoint me to the chapter where Oro says (as people claims here) that itachi is stronger than him. I really must see if thats what he said in the exact words.

[Mut]

hahahah look at this guy. He is in denial. He can't believe that Orochimaur said Itachi is stronger.

Vol. 16, ch. 140.

It says page 095 for me.

[CapsuleCorpJX]

Up to speculation but:
Jiraya > Itachi, mostly because Itachi himself said so.
Itachi > Orochimaru, mostly because Oro said so.
Orochimaru > The Third at his end.
Orochimaru > Tsunade (come on she couldn't beat an armless opponent? or even his jounin subordinate?)

So Jiraya is the most powerful so far.

I think Tsunade >> Kisame. Kisame may be Atasuki, but he is not enough to be on par with a sannin.

Even this order leads to some confusion however. If Itachi was so damn strong why didn't he kill the Third? Or does he not care about political power?

Of course Itachi > Orochimaru might just be because well a Snake is more easily charmed/destroyed by Itachi's sharingan?

[Y]

Orochimaru blows compared to the Third Hokage. He had two other Hokages helping him the whole battle and he still didn't dominate.

[CapsuleCorpJX]

Originally posted by: Y The Alien
Orochimaru blows compared to the Third Hokage. He had two other Hokages helping him the whole battle and he still didn't dominate.

Very true. Barring that summoning technique, the third was stronger, even at his end.

See these unique jutsus make it hard to compare. The summoning technique could be arguably what makes Orochimaru strong (though not really).

And the sealing technique also makes the third better, but not necessarily, since you can only use that jutsu once.

[ChaosK]

but how many poeple do you think can acctually perform the jutsu the 3rd and 4th used?

Any1 notice that kakashi has only used 4 or 5 classification of moves.
1. would be chidori or raiki.
2. would be some konoha moves (wait have we seen any of these by him? for example shadow or fire?)
3. water techniques, we've seen the water dragon quite a few times
4. would be his dog summoning
5. if you count would be taijutsu...

technically should he be able to perform lightening and earth moves? i dont even think i've ever seen him use a konoha move.

[hiten mitsurugi]

I don't understand it. Character's summons are part of their strength. So if Oro just happens to be able to summon the 1st and 2nd, then that just shows you how much more capable he is. Oro just wanted it to end faster, since their North, West, South, East shield would only last so long.

Oro is very strong, and I've pointed out on many occasions how Oro would be able to beat Itachi. Oro's Kage summon technique alone would be more than enough to kill Itachi (just picture Itachi instead of the 3rd hokage in the fight against Oro, with the shield up, no place for Itachi to run, like he did with Jaraiya). Can you imagine Itachi trying to beat the 1st, 2nd, and the 4th (assumption: this would have taken place before the oro and 3rd hokage fight). This is without including the other kages from the other nations. I mean all he has to do is prepare bodies for their souls. The kages would just flat out own Itachi, the more Itachi uses his Sharingan, the weaker Itachi gets. With enough bodies prepared, Oro could continue to summon to his hearts content. Not that he would need to since the summons heal themselves (remember the explosives tags on the kunai that the third threw).

All in all, when everything is said and done, even if nobody wants to admit it; Naruto is and will always be the strongest. It is his world after all and everyone else will always just be . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .. . . .. . . .. . . . . .. . .. . supporting cast members.

[The Heretic Azazel]

And furthermore, would Itachi's genjutsu even work on a resurrected person?