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[Assertn]

the way sharingan copies jutsus is that it copies the handseals used to perform the jutsu. Rasengan has no hand seals, therefore sharingan cant copy it

[Mut]

Originally posted by: Elessar

Originally posted by: Mut@t@
Stop trying to spread misinformation. It specifically said in the manga, that sharingan can copy, read, and defeat all jutsus except bloodline jutsus.

Unless they go beyond the capabilities of the sharingan user. Copying a summon is no good if you haven't subscribed to the creatures service. The copy will fail or be useless.
Copying some taijutsu is no good if you can't keep the speed. The copy will fail or be useless.
Copying some weird-ass large ninjutsu is no good if you don't have enough chakra. The copy will fail or be useless.

The only thing we've seen from Jiraiya that can be instantaniously copied is his hair-armor and the swamp iirc. Everything else required some sort of training even if you figured out how it works, or a summon-contract. Well, Rasengan could be instant-copy too, depending on your chakra control level.

Hey, I don't know how the sharingan copying stuff works and neither do you. I'm just going by what the anime said. As far as I'm concerned sharingan can learn every jutsu except the bloodline ones, that's why Orochimaru wants it.

[Shin_Naruto]

The little ninjutsu we have seen from Jiraiya is either NOT copyable (requires a pact with the frogs) or if it is coppied it doesnt matter (hare needles for defense (not usefull for someone on the offense), and the swamp)
and the Rasengan doesnt require any seals for a reason =P

[Elessar]

Originally posted by: Mut@t@
Hey, I don't know how the sharingan copying stuff works and neither do you. I'm just going by what the anime said.

So do I. The manga clearly said:

- if you don't have enough chakra for a jutsu, it will fail and you might die.
- you can't summon without a blood-contract
- you have to be physically able to perform copied taijutsu.

I'm just not looking at statements from the manga as isolated as you seem to do when it comes to to Itachi.

[RasenDori]

Originally posted by: Mut@t@

Originally posted by: Elessar

Originally posted by: Mut@t@
Stop trying to spread misinformation. It specifically said in the manga, that sharingan can copy, read, and defeat all jutsus except bloodline jutsus.

Unless they go beyond the capabilities of the sharingan user. Copying a summon is no good if you haven't subscribed to the creatures service. The copy will fail or be useless.
Copying some taijutsu is no good if you can't keep the speed. The copy will fail or be useless.
Copying some weird-ass large ninjutsu is no good if you don't have enough chakra. The copy will fail or be useless.

The only thing we've seen from Jiraiya that can be instantaniously copied is his hair-armor and the swamp iirc. Everything else required some sort of training even if you figured out how it works, or a summon-contract. Well, Rasengan could be instant-copy too, depending on your chakra control level.

Hey, I don't know how the sharingan copying stuff works and neither do you. I'm just going by what the anime said. As far as I'm concerned sharingan can learn every jutsu except the bloodline ones, that's why Orochimaru wants it.

the sharingan magically look at moves and grant its user the ability to use it? if that was the case, then why couldnt a sharingan user copy a blood line ability? from what we have sean the sharingan grants the user the ability to interpret a persons or objects next movement (which is where you get the sharingan controlled shurikens on a string techneque).weve seen sasuke copy movements like lees taijutsu, are to cheat in the examine. weve seen kakashi copy jutsus that used seals to form them, but have we seen anyone copy a jutsu that didnt use hand seals? no. so my anlaysis is that the sharingan copies jutsu by reading the hand seals used to perform them. the sharigan user cannot copy the move if it is something that their bodies arent capiable of doing (i.e. bloodlines are freak experiment induced moves). also when a move is done without seals (rasengan) or shortcut seals (kage bunshin ... this one is my most baseless part of the theory) then the sharingan cant copy it...

by the way... i havent read most of the pages since starting arguing about that akatsukis motives... but... what does the sharingan have to d owith this topic?

[Mut]

I haven no idea what it has to do with this topic, but I think sharingan was brought up because of Jiraiya vs Itachi.

- if you don't have enough chakra for a jutsu, it will fail and you might die.

Okay... and this has what to do with copying?

- you can't summon without a blood-contract

Duh, I know.

- you have to be physically able to perform copied taijutsu.

Just because someone isn't physically fit enough to perform the taijutsu, that doesn't mean that person can't copy it. Itachi could see someone do the most insane taijutsu ever and although he won't be able to do it, it doesn't necessarily mean he won't be able to copy it.

[Lefty]

All the sharingan does is allow the user to see several move into the future and plan accordengly. Thats how they can see hand seals and copy Jutsu. It's not that it gives them instant knowladge of the Jutsu or anything, it allows them to look ahead and givien their skill copy, defend, or counter an attack.

[kyubisrage]

Does that mean they can see their death?

[Uchiha Barles]

In the anime at least, I think kakashi explained that the sharingan allows its user to see and understand the underpinnings of any technique. So in addition to knowing the hand seals, they also know how to mold the chakra to perform the technique. So basically, any technique can be seen will be understood and therefore copied. So a technique like the rasengan that doesn't require any hand seals can also be copied, although the user would have to go through a lot of trouble to gain the chakra control and stamina needed to use it. This task would be made easier, however, by the knowledge imparted by the sharingan. That's why Sasuke was able to gain Lee's taijutsu techniques in a month or less.

[Augury]

Stop trying to spread misinformation. It specifically said in the manga, that sharingan can copy, read, and defeat all jutsus except bloodline jutsus.

I'm not trying to spread misinformation. I put "copyable" in quotes because it's obvious that the sharingan can copy the jutsu. Jiraiya's use of the jutsu makes it so that It's just not useful to copy it. Perhaps "counterable" is a better word to use, but isn't the point of being able to copy a jutsu to counter it? If copying a jutsu is useless as a counter, the copy is pointless unless it's used at a future time. The whole point of my post was to indicate that Jiraiya uses jutsus that aren't counterable by the sharingan in the present battle he uses it in, so therefore defeating Itachi is a possibillity, -- and therefore there may be other ninjas other than Jiraiya with the ability to defeat Itachi as well.

??? Which 'indirect counter' did Jiraiya use to fight off Tsukuyomi? Tsukuyomi was never even used on Jiraiya.

I didn't say that tsukuyomi was used on Jiraiya, or that he actually countered it. I said that he <u>can</u> counter it using a method similar to those that I mentioned above that paragraph.

[Hakeem_21]

Originally posted by: AssertnFailure
one of the things i liked back in the first saga of naruto was the sense that there was no significant imbalance between the forces of good and bad.....the idea of an akatsuki being able to walk into a village and take their leader head on was pretty lame :/

I gave up on the story of this manga a while ago now i just wanna see some cool fighting the rest dont intrest me anymore.