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Originally posted by: Hakeem_21

They cant do anything if every hidden village and country goes together and attack Akatsuki how are they gonna protect and fight against so many villages when they have had problems getting Naruto and Gaara....

They don't have problems getting Naruto unless he is defended by a Sannin and Itachi has already used the Mangekyou Sharingan too many times for safety. They dealt with Gaara as Kazekage within MINUTES. Also, why would EVERY country immediately gang up on the rising Akatsuki? Who the hell would be the first to say "I think attacking the world's 9 strongest ninjas while they are gathering forces in what was the strongest Hidden Village is an awesome idea!"

Also who says that only konoha have legendary ninjas. Let say there is one jiraya in every village that would take care of the akatsuki problem.

A ridiculous assumption. You're assuming that there are legendary ninjas that we haven't heard of? Great, I just assume every Akatsuki member other than the ones we've seen is better than Itachi, so they could kill a sannin 1v1. Yeah it's ridiculous, but so is assuming there is a ninja capable of beating two Akatsuki members SOLO in every village.

I mean Diedra is one of them and she didnt exacly crush Gaara and there are many ninjas stronger than him.

Like who? Not any Sand ninjas we've ever seen. Also, Gaara is ludicrously stronger than 99% of the ninjas we've seen. As in, he can do whole orders of magnitude more damage than their best powers. Yet he got his ass beat and if he hadn't been there Diedra could have blown up HUGE sections of the Sand Village with her bombs.

Also there is no way that Jiraya a legendary ninja would lose just cause of the mangekeyou Sharingan, if that was the case then Itachi could grab Naruto anytime he wants. Not say to Kisame that they wouldn't be sure to survive if they fought Jiraya.

Who says he can't grab Naruto whenever he wants? Like he said, his purpose isn't to quickly capture the elder demons. Time is not a factor for them. Whatever they're preparing, giving the village three years advance warning won't hinder it.

We will se soon why they want the demons and if they want them to take over the world then we know that they cant take over the world easily as you said without the demons.

No, it would be a plot hole, and a stupid one at that.

[Mut]

Itachi can kick Jiraiya's ass. Jiraiya is lucky Itachi wasted two mangekyou sharingans before the encounter. Itachi would've had Jiraiya sucking his own dick.

[Dezalanel]

We have no idea how strong Jiraiya is...we have yet to see him actually fight full strength. We just know he is really strong..but how strong exactly is unknown. And I am sure Jiraiya would be able to counter the Mangekyou Sharingan...he is not called a Sannin for nothing.

[Mut]

Counter Mangekyou Sharingan?

Nope, there is no way to counter it unless you have sharingan yourself and you're a full blooded Uchiha. That's a fact. Don't tell me you're gonna bring up Gai's "look at the feet" method. That's just a waste of time.

Jiraiya sure is strong, but he is getting old. Itachi is just going into his prime. Jiraiya is fucked. Just admit it you guys.

[Dezalanel]

What about a mirror??? heh perhaps his only deathly gaze will be relfected back at him hahaha.

[drowelf]

So do you all think that Kankuro will make new puppets for himself after finding out that the Sasori made his old one?

[Shin_Naruto]

how dare you question Mut@t@'s opinion

fool.



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vv psyke vvv (and in general)
The brilliant part about the Naruto series is that its not 'power level' driven. There is more then one strength that characters have. It's been the staple since episode one. If Naruto could beat a Chunin when he wasnt even a Gennin... then percieved power cant be relied upon.

And bottom line... it goes down however kishimoto wants it to go down.

[Psyke]

If the Mangekyou Sharingan was that strong Itachi would have been invincible. What Gai did during his encounter with Itachi was important, as it needed direct eye contact for the Mangekyou Sharingan to connect. As for the Jiraiya vs Itachi argument I belive Itachi is stronger, because Jiraiya is at max around the same level as Orochimaru, who have admitted himself that he is not strong enough to take on Itachi.

[Dezalanel]

You are basing Jiriayas Strength on what? He could be weaker then Orochimaru or much stronger.....we have NO idea.

[Souryusen]

Originally posted by: Mut@t@
Counter Mangekyou Sharingan?

Nope, there is no way to counter it unless you have sharingan yourself and you're a full blooded Uchiha. That's a fact. Don't tell me you're gonna bring up Gai's "look at the feet" method. That's just a waste of time.

Jiraiya sure is strong, but he is getting old. Itachi is just going into his prime. Jiraiya is fucked. Just admit it you guys.

Itachi is a pussy. I bet Kakashi counters the Mangekyo by smacking ol' Uchiha upside the head with his dick.

[Elessar]

Sometimes I really wish Kishimoto wouldn't have introduced Itachi at all....

[Stoopider]

Itachi's alright.

Though I don't know if he's overestimated, underestimated.(?)

But 2 Akatsuki needing to run from Jiraiya when their goal is directly in front of their eyes have to account for something. Unless they feared there were Konoha ninja's hot on their tail as well.. (Gai [img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-happy.gif[/img])

Plus, why didn't they take a rest and counter attack again? (considering Itachi can use Mangekyou Sharingan only few times a day)

Then There's the (3 years) thing again and what were they doing during those 3 years?

[basey44]

what do u think they were doing? making little uchihas im sure [img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-tongue.gif[/img]
wouldnt be surprised if a heap of little itachi's start popping up in all different villages

[Polarice]

At the end of 251 they said how Akatsuki wanted to capture some juunchiro or something. A monster sealed inside the human. There are only 2 characters I can think of Naruto with Nine Tales Demon and Gaara with Raccoon Dog Demon, but it can't be Gaara.So, I guess the Akatsuki that Sasori will try to take out Nine Tales from Naruto? But where would they store it? They can't just let it stay around and obviously can't just absorb into their bodies. Just my speculation, but I'm wondering what Gaara is for, could they try to take out Shukaku from him and use him as a vessel for Nine Tales? It makes sense as him being a human pilla or strength? Also, what is Naruto's new Jutsu he learned with JIraaya gonna be like? Jiraaya said to not use it at all costs? Could it be that Naruto can summon Nine Tales in some form and make himself go even more berserk? But if that were to happen, then Akatsuki could capture Nine Tales with some jutsu maybe.

[kAi]

Jinchuuriki means Power of Human Sacrifice, in this case 'A monster sealed inside a human through sacrifice' - Inane

There are only 2 characters I can think of Naruto with Nine Tales Demon and Gaara with Raccoon Dog Demon, but it can't be Gaara.So, I guess the Akatsuki that Sasori will try to take out Nine Tales from Naruto?

That's because they're the only one's introduced thus far.

The last lines in Chapter 251.

Deidara: "Yeah... Speaking of which, which 'Jinchuuriki' is Sasori-danna's opponent"
Sasori: "Well... My opponent is anyone... As long as I get one 'Jinchuuriki' then there's no problems right...?"

With this said it is safe to say there are more people with a Demon inside of them.

[Hakeem_21]

Originally posted by: Y The Alien

Originally posted by: Hakeem_21

They cant do anything if every hidden village and country goes together and attack Akatsuki how are they gonna protect and fight against so many villages when they have had problems getting Naruto and Gaara....

They don't have problems getting Naruto unless he is defended by a Sannin and Itachi has already used the Mangekyou Sharingan too many times for safety. They dealt with Gaara as Kazekage within MINUTES. Also, why would EVERY country immediately gang up on the rising Akatsuki? Who the hell would be the first to say "I think attacking the world's 9 strongest ninjas while they are gathering forces in what was the strongest Hidden Village is an awesome idea!"

Also who says that only konoha have legendary ninjas. Let say there is one jiraya in every village that would take care of the akatsuki problem.

A ridiculous assumption. You're assuming that there are legendary ninjas that we haven't heard of? Great, I just assume every Akatsuki member other than the ones we've seen is better than Itachi, so they could kill a sannin 1v1. Yeah it's ridiculous, but so is assuming there is a ninja capable of beating two Akatsuki members SOLO in every village.

I mean Diedra is one of them and she didnt exacly crush Gaara and there are many ninjas stronger than him.

Like who? Not any Sand ninjas we've ever seen. Also, Gaara is ludicrously stronger than 99% of the ninjas we've seen. As in, he can do whole orders of magnitude more damage than their best powers. Yet he got his ass beat and if he hadn't been there Diedra could have blown up HUGE sections of the Sand Village with her bombs.

Also there is no way that Jiraya a legendary ninja would lose just cause of the mangekeyou Sharingan, if that was the case then Itachi could grab Naruto anytime he wants. Not say to Kisame that they wouldn't be sure to survive if they fought Jiraya.

Who says he can't grab Naruto whenever he wants? Like he said, his purpose isn't to quickly capture the elder demons. Time is not a factor for them. Whatever they're preparing, giving the village three years advance warning won't hinder it.

We will se soon why they want the demons and if they want them to take over the world then we know that they cant take over the world easily as you said without the demons.

No, it would be a plot hole, and a stupid one at that.

There can be legendary level ninjas who arent know just like Itachi,im sure he isnt thought a legendary ninja level outside Konoha.

Konoha heard about Gaara being taken away and everybody knows what akatsuki wants so it would be understandble if other villages with demons inside their kids allied themself with Sand and Konoha to protect themself from akatsuki.

Who says he can't grab Naruto whenever he wants? Before Itachi was to tired from using sharingan he said that he wasnt sure to survive if he faught,so whe know he isnt sure if he can beat Jiraya.

If 9 ninjas could take over the world easy this manga would be lame thats why kishimoto made them chase after the demons.....

Also i like how you think they can take over the world when we have seen only four of them fight and two of them wasnt all that thinking about Diedra,Kisame.

[Augury]

From what we've seen of Jiraiya, most of the jutsu's he used aren't "copyable" in the battlefield situation he uses it in. When he encounters Itachi and Kisame, he summon's a frog esophagus. In the Sannin fight, he creates a swamp to sink Orochimaru's lesser snakes. This is pretty smart fighting; the moves he uses aren't counterable by simply copying them.

Itachi's strength? Sure, he's pretty damn strong, but just because he has the mangekyou doesn't mean he's invincible. Itachi says that the only way to counter his mangekyou is by also having a mangekyou, but this refers to a direct counter. An indirect counter such as the one used by Jiraiya can be used too.

Also, Kishimoto can introduce "legendary" ninja's from other villages whenever he wants. We never heard about Sasori until recently, but he's considered a legendary ninja from the Sand. The logic of "we would've known about other legendary ninja's by now" is flawed. Besides the Sand and Leaf, there are many other villages that Kishimoto hasn't tapped in to to add to the storyline yet. In addition, the chuunin exam is a measure of a village's current strength, not previous strength. Legendary ninjas would come from the past, and may or may not have (like the Sannin) retired from their village.

[Mut]

Originally posted by: Hakeem_21
Who says he can't grab Naruto whenever he wants? Before Itachi was to tired from using sharingan he said that he wasnt sure to survive if he faught,so whe know he isnt sure if he can beat Jiraya.

Stop confusing yourself. Itachi didn't fight Jiraiya cuz he wasted two mangekyou sharingans before the encounter. God dammit, how many times do I need to say this?

Originally posted by: Augury
From what we've seen of Jiraiya, most of the jutsu's he used aren't "copyable" in the battlefield situation he uses it in. When he encounters Itachi and Kisame, he summon's a frog esophagus. In the Sannin fight, he creates a swamp to sink Orochimaru's lesser snakes. This is pretty smart fighting; the moves he uses aren't counterable by simply copying them.

Stop trying to spread misinformation. It specifically said in the manga, that sharingan can copy, read, and defeat all jutsus except bloodline jutsus.

Itachi's strength? Sure, he's pretty damn strong, but just because he has the mangekyou doesn't mean he's invincible. Itachi says that the only way to counter his mangekyou is by also having a mangekyou, but this refers to a direct counter. An indirect counter such as the one used by Jiraiya can be used too.

??? Which 'indirect counter' did Jiraiya use to fight off Tsukuyomi? Tsukuyomi was never even used on Jiraiya.

[Assertn]

one of the things i liked back in the first saga of naruto was the sense that there was no significant imbalance between the forces of good and bad.....the idea of an akatsuki being able to walk into a village and take their leader head on was pretty lame :/

[Elessar]

Originally posted by: Mut@t@
Stop trying to spread misinformation. It specifically said in the manga, that sharingan can copy, read, and defeat all jutsus except bloodline jutsus.

Unless they go beyond the capabilities of the sharingan user. Copying a summon is no good if you haven't subscribed to the creatures service. The copy will fail or be useless.
Copying some taijutsu is no good if you can't keep the speed. The copy will fail or be useless.
Copying some weird-ass large ninjutsu is no good if you don't have enough chakra. The copy will fail or be useless.

The only thing we've seen from Jiraiya that can be instantaniously copied is his hair-armor and the swamp iirc. Everything else required some sort of training even if you figured out how it works, or a summon-contract. Well, Rasengan could be instant-copy too, depending on your chakra control level.