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**RasenDori** · Sat, 03-12-2005, 09:08 AM

then you may as well stop reading right now, because im pretty certain its a given that its a kyuubi power up. i dont think that jiraiya is reckless enough to teach naruto a dangerous move. if you look at the look on narutos face when jiraiya tells him not to use "that" jutsu, it looks like naruto remembers doing something awful with it. i bet he totally lost control of himself sometime during the training and completely freaked everyone out. dont worry, im sure naruto has a few new moves, but i think the thing that worries jiraiya is kyuubi related.

**Death BOO Z** · Sat, 03-12-2005, 09:42 AM

my two cents on akatsuki's goal:
I'm guessing that we're gonna see a samurai deeper kyo rip off, the akatsuki gather all the tails in order to complete the revival of the kyubi, and then we suddenly have a flashback to the last time kyubi was around, and we see the 4th talking to himself that someday naruto will have to fight against his destiney to become the kyubi... yada yada yada..

'that' jutsu better involve calling the kyubi using Sakura as the host...

**PSJ** · Sat, 03-12-2005, 10:06 AM

Originally posted by: RasenDori
then you may as well stop reading right now, because im pretty certain its a given that its a kyuubi power up. i dont think that jiraiya is reckless enough to teach naruto a dangerous move. if you look at the look on narutos face when jiraiya tells him not to use "that" jutsu, it looks like naruto remembers doing something awful with it. i bet he totally lost control of himself sometime during the training and completely freaked everyone out. dont worry, im sure naruto has a few new moves, but i think the thing that worries jiraiya is kyuubi related.

its a jutsu not a power up. it might have something to do with kyuubi's chakra but what doesnt when it comes to naruto? a simple kyuubi power up is just lame and boring and i think kishimoto got brains enough to know that.

in response to BOO Z, its simple to "revive" kyuubi, break the seal on naruto. if they need 8 demons to do that they sure are overestimating narutos power. akatsukis goals are probably something along world dominance or total control of the ninja world. they are all missing nins that supposedly dont like their respective village, they probably want to take over or destroy them.

Y · Sat, 03-12-2005, 12:01 PM

Originally posted by: Pervert-Sennin Jiraiya

in response to BOO Z, its simple to "revive" kyuubi, break the seal on naruto. if they need 8 demons to do that they sure are overestimating narutos power. akatsukis goals are probably something along world dominance or total control of the ninja world. they are all missing nins that supposedly dont like their respective village, they probably want to take over or destroy them.

Ok, third time. What makes you think the Akatsuki would even need any of the demons to take total control of the world? Orochimaru managed to scrape together enough resources to launch an invasion of Konoha that almost succeeded. The Akatsuki has nine members who are all incredibly dangerous criminals; it might even have more members as strong as Itachi, and he murdered his whole clan. If 1 member can murder a whole clan (as a teenager) then SURELY all nine of them can murder a small hidden village's leaders and take control of its resources, and even a small village combined with the Akatsuki would allow them to dominate the world. Hell, if all 9 of them attacked Konoha during the reconstruction period (or the period where there was no Hokage) they probably would have annihilated the village.

So why go through the trouble and wait years and years to reach a goal they could have already gotten?

**Hakeem_21** · Sat, 03-12-2005, 10:07 AM

I really hope that doesnt happen but in Naruto it just might happen.

**Hakeem_21** · Sat, 03-12-2005, 12:23 PM

There are many hidden villages and countries in Naruto and no matter how strong akatsuki are they cant controll the world with only their skills and a small village. If there was a war then akatsuki doesnt have a chance agaianst thousand of opponents.

But if you have 9 demons who each are almost invinceble then you might controll the world.

Y · Sat, 03-12-2005, 12:58 PM

Originally posted by: Hakeem_21
There are many hidden villages and countries in Naruto and no matter how strong akatsuki are they cant controll the world with only their skills and a small village. If there was a war then akatsuki doesnt have a chance agaianst thousand of opponents.

Yes they do.

Konoha's Jounin were all out on missions during the reconstruction. The Akatsuki could have easily captured Konoha during that time - or during the period prior since they had no Hokage. The only real threat is Jiraiya so I guess Itachi would just have to use the Mangekyou Sharingan and kill him. Remember - we see most Konoha defense ninjas getting killed in one hit with kunai during the invasion. Most of the Akatsuki members we have seen have giant area effect attacks that could kill hundreds of ninjas in 1 strike, like the clay bombs or Sasori's giant tail swipes. The Rookie Nine are the most talented Genin there and I don't think I have to describe how badly an encounter with them vs. an Akatsuki member would go. The rest are just cannon fodder who probably wouldn't even resist an invasion by nine of the most powerful people on Earth. They're ninjas. Most of them aren't free thinkers, they'll take orders from leaders no matter who they are.

The Sand was similarly depleted at this time. After gaining control of Konoha and getting the civilian populace and remaining ninjas formed into a makeshift military, beating the Sand would be easy as hell. Gaara had to save the fuckin' village from one Akatsuki member. Nine of them plus a small Konoha army? Owned. The rest of the villages' relative fighting powers can be seen in how little they participated in the Chuunin Exam. No other country was remotely as powerful as Konoha, and Konoha's a cripple now.

The Akatsuki could gain world power without the demons. Easily.

**Hakeem_21** · Sat, 03-12-2005, 07:12 PM

Originally posted by: Y The Alien

Originally posted by: Hakeem_21
There are many hidden villages and countries in Naruto and no matter how strong akatsuki are they cant controll the world with only their skills and a small village. If there was a war then akatsuki doesnt have a chance agaianst thousand of opponents.

Yes they do.

Konoha's Jounin were all out on missions during the reconstruction. The Akatsuki could have easily captured Konoha during that time - or during the period prior since they had no Hokage. The only real threat is Jiraiya so I guess Itachi would just have to use the Mangekyou Sharingan and kill him. Remember - we see most Konoha defense ninjas getting killed in one hit with kunai during the invasion. Most of the Akatsuki members we have seen have giant area effect attacks that could kill hundreds of ninjas in 1 strike, like the clay bombs or Sasori's giant tail swipes. The Rookie Nine are the most talented Genin there and I don't think I have to describe how badly an encounter with them vs. an Akatsuki member would go. The rest are just cannon fodder who probably wouldn't even resist an invasion by nine of the most powerful people on Earth. They're ninjas. Most of them aren't free thinkers, they'll take orders from leaders no matter who they are.

The Sand was similarly depleted at this time. After gaining control of Konoha and getting the civilian populace and remaining ninjas formed into a makeshift military, beating the Sand would be easy as hell. Gaara had to save the fuckin' village from one Akatsuki member. Nine of them plus a small Konoha army? Owned. The rest of the villages' relative fighting powers can be seen in how little they participated in the Chuunin Exam. No other country was remotely as powerful as Konoha, and Konoha's a cripple now.

The Akatsuki could gain world power without the demons. Easily.

They cant do anything if every hidden village and country goes together and attack Akatsuki how are they gonna protect and fight against so many villages when they have had problems getting Naruto and Gaara....

Also who says that only konoha have legendary ninjas. Let say there is one jiraya in every village that would take care of the akatsuki problem.

I mean Diedra is one of them and she didnt exacly crush Gaara and there are many ninjas stronger than him.

Also there is no way that Jiraya a legendary ninja would lose just cause of the mangekeyou Sharingan, if that was the case then Itachi could grab Naruto anytime he wants. Not say to Kisame that they wouldn't be sure to survive if they fought Jiraya.

We will se soon why they want the demons and if they want them to take over the world then we know that they cant take over the world easily as you said without the demons.

Y · Sat, 03-12-2005, 08:52 PM

Originally posted by: Hakeem_21

They cant do anything if every hidden village and country goes together and attack Akatsuki how are they gonna protect and fight against so many villages when they have had problems getting Naruto and Gaara....

They don't have problems getting Naruto unless he is defended by a Sannin and Itachi has already used the Mangekyou Sharingan too many times for safety. They dealt with Gaara as Kazekage within MINUTES. Also, why would EVERY country immediately gang up on the rising Akatsuki? Who the hell would be the first to say "I think attacking the world's 9 strongest ninjas while they are gathering forces in what was the strongest Hidden Village is an awesome idea!"

Also who says that only konoha have legendary ninjas. Let say there is one jiraya in every village that would take care of the akatsuki problem.

A ridiculous assumption. You're assuming that there are legendary ninjas that we haven't heard of? Great, I just assume every Akatsuki member other than the ones we've seen is better than Itachi, so they could kill a sannin 1v1. Yeah it's ridiculous, but so is assuming there is a ninja capable of beating two Akatsuki members SOLO in every village.

I mean Diedra is one of them and she didnt exacly crush Gaara and there are many ninjas stronger than him.

Like who? Not any Sand ninjas we've ever seen. Also, Gaara is ludicrously stronger than 99% of the ninjas we've seen. As in, he can do whole orders of magnitude more damage than their best powers. Yet he got his ass beat and if he hadn't been there Diedra could have blown up HUGE sections of the Sand Village with her bombs.

Also there is no way that Jiraya a legendary ninja would lose just cause of the mangekeyou Sharingan, if that was the case then Itachi could grab Naruto anytime he wants. Not say to Kisame that they wouldn't be sure to survive if they fought Jiraya.

Who says he can't grab Naruto whenever he wants? Like he said, his purpose isn't to quickly capture the elder demons. Time is not a factor for them. Whatever they're preparing, giving the village three years advance warning won't hinder it.

We will se soon why they want the demons and if they want them to take over the world then we know that they cant take over the world easily as you said without the demons.

No, it would be a plot hole, and a stupid one at that.

Polarice · Sun, 03-13-2005, 05:26 AM

At the end of 251 they said how Akatsuki wanted to capture some juunchiro or something. A monster sealed inside the human. There are only 2 characters I can think of Naruto with Nine Tales Demon and Gaara with Raccoon Dog Demon, but it can't be Gaara.So, I guess the Akatsuki that Sasori will try to take out Nine Tales from Naruto? But where would they store it? They can't just let it stay around and obviously can't just absorb into their bodies. Just my speculation, but I'm wondering what Gaara is for, could they try to take out Shukaku from him and use him as a vessel for Nine Tales? It makes sense as him being a human pilla or strength? Also, what is Naruto's new Jutsu he learned with JIraaya gonna be like? Jiraaya said to not use it at all costs? Could it be that Naruto can summon Nine Tales in some form and make himself go even more berserk? But if that were to happen, then Akatsuki could capture Nine Tales with some jutsu maybe.

**Hakeem_21** · Sun, 03-13-2005, 11:10 AM