Naruto VS Sasuke: The fight was even. While it's not sure who would have won, Naruto seemed to have the upper-hand. And if not so, the fight was still VERY even.
Naruto (WITH KYUUBI) got owned without landing a single hit on a Kimimaro (WITHOUT CURSE SEAL).
And you expect Sasuke to win VS Kimimaro?
Logic kiddies, logic. Abandon your fanboy ways and listen to it.
You make yourself look more foolish everytime you post. I reccomend you stop for your and everyone else well being. That being said, Kimi is obviously Jounin level....he was the leader of the Sound 4(5). Plus your forgetting Naruto stands basicly on equal ground with Sasuke and he did jack shit against Kimi. Seals mean nothing...the both have em so it means nothing. Also Kimi could easily stop the chidori. He could easily just make a bone wall or something in front of him and stop it OR could just do what he did to lee and stop his hand with his bones.
to jessper....
obviously sasuke have to fight with his sharingan... with or without lee can still kick his ass... because for sasuke bloodline limit and lee's ability is a bad combination...
lee does not use any jutsu so he cant copy any of it... even if sasuke see's lees moves, he cant keep up with his body...
i think this has been explained numerous times throughout the show
Rock > Paper > Scissors = the logic of who wins in Naruto
The rock, paper, scissors theory doesn't apply to all cases, it's considered a weak theory to use it as a support for an argument or any type of discussion.
To be fair, if sasuke used his sharingan he might be able to pull a quick victory through a devestating move involving lee's massive speed being used against him or something. I think since sasuke can keep up in speed AND has a good idea of what is comming sasuke would win as long as lee did not open too many gates and the fight did not last long enough for sasuke to wear out.Originally posted by: greateachermin
to jessper....
obviously sasuke have to fight with his sharingan... with or without lee can still kick his ass... because for sasuke bloodline limit and lee's ability is a bad combination...
lee does not use any jutsu so he cant copy any of it... even if sasuke see's lees moves, he cant keep up with his body...
i think this has been explained numerous times throughout the show
Yes it was explained that sasuke couldn't keep up with lee and that is why lee would always win HOWEVER that was mentioned before sasuke went and trained for massive speed. I think it would be an interesting but short lived fight.
Who cares that we don't know every detail about kimi? If you have to know every detail of two characters before you can get a good sense of how the outcome of a battle would be why do you even bother with this thread? Maybe you should crawl back to the manga section and stop bothering us here with your "holier than thou" attitude?Originally posted by: Sharingan-3y3
well the way u are quoting sasuke.. u making him sound like a ... well maybe an academy student? so why dont u list kimi's talents, etc. lets see what he got since u kno him ONLY for like 3 episodes or so.. and u talking so much shit bout him.. jeez these ppl barely kno the guy and they love him already.. u dont even kno what can or cant do..thas why i called some of u n00bs.. that fall in love with a character that has just showed up and bring an all time favorite character down.. gimme a break.. bet u dont even kno kimi's last name.. or his level(genin, chuunin, etc.) the guy popped out a bone and stopped lees attacked and was called jounin level.. pff
I never stated he was jounin level and really doubt he is so I agree with you there *shudder*
All in all I would say that kimi's character is shaping up to be a much more interesting one than a fair number of the other people we have seen before (chouji).
ARg, my bad
No more and no less than any other form of logic. And we've seen many examples of it already in Naruto, where say Naruto can beat Gaara, who beat Lee, who is getting beat by CS Kimi, who beat Naruto (or couldn't be harmed by Naruto).. nothing is really firm, so all theories are virtually as weak as one another.Originally posted by: Mut@t@
The rock, paper, scissors theory doesn't apply to all cases, it's considered a weak theory to use it as a support for an argument or any type of discussion.
We have 6 pages of people spamming each other with opinions on who would win on Sasuke vs. Kimi, but since (a)- they've never fought, (b)- they never will, (c)- the circumstances could vary (illness, curse level, amount of knowledge/training aquired, etc) .. It's BS to just hate on the Rock>Paper>Scissors example, because it's pretty open-ended and doesn't specify anything other than ambiquity.
I can say that I believe that Kimi would defeat Sasuke under most circumstances, but it's a waste of time to try to convince anyone of it, because none of us are Kishimoto, hence nobody knows what he would have HIS characters do in the event that his plot brought them against one another.
Originally posted by: Jessper
Clearly everyone that disagrees with you is a fag, I mean with your startling intellect who could disagree?
By the way, that's all sasuke is, the #1 ROOKIE. Now lets examine your points.
1) sasuke's talent
He has so much "talent" he is getting shown up by naruto now, enough said?
2) #1 rookie
Naruto was also the worst of his class, my how times change.
3) Uchiha skills
You mean, all those skills... like sharingan and.... well that's all I can think of.
4) Sharingan
He hasn't fully developed it and also I doubt he can read kimi's bones moving
5) chidori
This has been stopped numerous times, why does kimi have no chance of doing so as well? I belive with the way sasuke goes about things he will have a hard time hitting a half decent ninja with this move.
6) ON LEVEL 2 POWER
pssssst, Kimimaro has a seal too, and you know what? I bet he can open a second level of it as well.
1. When has Naruto ever shown up Sasuke? Let's take a trip down memory lane.
First Mission-Naruto froze at the first sign of danger while Sasuke took the Demon Brothers head on.
Vs Haku-If it wasn't for Naruto fainting in the first place Sasuke would'nt have needed to cover for him leading to him being knocked out cause Naruto couldn't defend himself.
2nd Exam-Naruto got captured by one of the Lucky ninja's that in it self is sad. Sasuke preceded to own that same ninja.
Vs Oro-Yup Naruto was laid out first.
3rd Exam- Sasuke made short work of that chakra stealing guy while Naruto had a hard time vs another rookie.
Vs Gaara-If it wasn't for Sasuke doing the hard part of getting Gaara to transform so he didn't have his sand shield Naruto would'nt have stood a chance.
2.He may not be the worst in the class anymore but he still isn't past Sasuke.
3.You forgot the eye move of doom and the black fire as well as their natural abilities.
4.How many times do I have to post that not having a fully developed sharingan does not mean it won't do it's most basic function of slowing down the enemy. That's just like saying since Hinata isn't as developed as Neji she can't scout miles in advance or see 360degrees, oh that's rght she can.
5.It's only been stopped by people with a Sharingan and if you haven't noticed they can slow down and predict movement.
Naruto didn't have the upper hand, he hit Sasuke like twice and then was forced to go and activate Resangen. And you're a bigger fanboy then I am of Neji [img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-tongue.gif[/img].Originally posted by: Terracosmo
Naruto VS Sasuke: The fight was even. While it's not sure who would have won, Naruto seemed to have the upper-hand. And if not so, the fight was still VERY even.
Naruto (WITH KYUUBI) got owned without landing a single hit on a Kimimaro (WITHOUT CURSE SEAL).
And you expect Sasuke to win VS Kimimaro?
Logic kiddies, logic. Abandon your fanboy ways and listen to it.
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Naruto seemed to have the upper-hand. And if not so, the fight was still VERY even.
I added this because I wasn't entirely sure myself and I'm aware that you can interpret it differently.
There's a difference between fanboy and fanboy. I like Kimimaro's looks and his behavior, but seriously, I don't give a rat's ass whether or not he loses or wins an imaginary fight.
I'm not foolish enough to be blinded by my love for a character. I'm only looking at the facts.
If you read my post again you'll notice there aren't any opinions involved. Just what we've seen actually happen.
Thus, what I say is more concrete than 95% of the contents of this thread.
It's obvius, back then, if Naruto was fighting for his life or for his friends, he'd kick Sasuke's ass (Naruto vs Neji). Now, Sasuke has a another cheat (Seriously, Oro is the biggest hax ever), since he already has wallhack, lets call it aimbot. (Have to admire Fuzzybrows, Tenten and Sakura for being the only ones without cheats).
Anyway, what I was going to say: Naruto didn't do much to Neji either before they got really serious , so you can't measure that pretend fight that Naruto and Kimi had to anything. Kimi just poked Naruto. Where am I now, I've lost it. Well, point is, uh, I can't remember. What I wanted to come to was that Kimi would probably take down Sasuke, but I'd rather see a stalemate where they both die. Yeah *evil grin*
Bold
dont forget about tenten.Originally posted by: Tohan
It's obvius, back then, if Naruto was fighting for his life or for his friends, he'd kick Sasuke's ass (Naruto vs Neji). Now, Sasuke has a another cheat (Seriously, Oro is the biggest hax ever), since he already has wallhack, lets call it aimbot. (Have to admire Fuzzybrows and Sakura for being the only ones without cheats).
Anyway, what I was going to say: Naruto didn't do much to Neji either, so you can't measure that pretend fight that Naruto and Kimi had to anything. Kimi just poked Naruto. Where am I now, I've lost it. Well, point is, uh, I can't remember. What I wanted to come to was that Kimi would probably take down Sasuke, but I'd rather see a stalemate where they both die. Yeah *evil grin*
Sasuke > Kakashi > Itachi.Originally posted by: MemnochTheCaT
No more and no less than any other form of logic. And we've seen many examples of it already in Naruto, where say Naruto can beat Gaara, who beat Lee, who is getting beat by CS Kimi, who beat Naruto (or couldn't be harmed by Naruto).. nothing is really firm, so all theories are virtually as weak as one another.Originally posted by: Mut@t@
The rock, paper, scissors theory doesn't apply to all cases, it's considered a weak theory to use it as a support for an argument or any type of discussion.
We have 6 pages of people spamming each other with opinions on who would win on Sasuke vs. Kimi, but since (a)- they've never fought, (b)- they never will, (c)- the circumstances could vary (illness, curse level, amount of knowledge/training aquired, etc) .. It's BS to just hate on the Rock>Paper>Scissors example, because it's pretty open-ended and doesn't specify anything other than ambiquity.
I can say that I believe that Kimi would defeat Sasuke under most circumstances, but it's a waste of time to try to convince anyone of it, because none of us are Kishimoto, hence nobody knows what he would have HIS characters do in the event that his plot brought them against one another.
Theory owned.
Like I said, it's stupid to use r, p, s theory in a discussion. It's so random and nothing but a weak support. It doesn't prove anything.
1. When has Naruto ever shown up Sasuke?
How about their fight on the rooftops? Sasuke looked like he had been outclassed after he saw the back of the water tower, maybe when naruto beat gaara after going demon and what not (was it just me or did sasuke seem like he was shown up afterwards, like when he talked to sakura? ) ? BTW for some reason I think that gambunta wouldn't have had to much trouble dealing with Gaara's sand shield
2.He may not be the worst in the class anymore but he still isn't past Sasuke.
Perhaps, but that would be personal opinion at this point right?
3.You forgot the eye move of doom and the black fire as well as their natural abilities.
That is part of the sharingan in my mind, which is part of my point that he hasn't fully developed his sharingan(you think he can use those moves? heh)
4.How many times do I have to post that not having a fully developed sharingan does not mean it won't do it's most basic function of slowing down the enemy. That's just like saying since Hinata isn't as developed as Neji she can't scout miles in advance or see 360degrees, oh that's rght she can.
Did I say he couldn't read movements? I said he hasn't fully developed it, DQing the moves we saw itachi use. Also I commented that he most likly could not see predict kimi's bones moving about which just leaves him seeing things slower which would help, but would it be enough?
5.It's only been stopped by people with a Sharingan and if you haven't noticed they can slow down and predict movement.
Gaara's real ultimate defense stopped it enough.... no?
You're comparing moves that work in 2 different ways. Chidori is designed to be an assination technique(1 hit one kill) so of course it wasn't able to make a huge hole in the back. Naruto's on the other hand (I'm guessing on how it was used on Kabuto) travels through the body and comes from the back(Kabuto was able to heal his external wounds but not his interior).Gamabunta didn't even wanna fight Shukaku(sp), so what makes you think he's Gaara who was weaker?How about their fight on the rooftops? Sasuke looked like he had been outclassed after he saw the back of the water tower, maybe when naruto beat gaara after going demon and what not (was it just me or did sasuke seem like he was shown up afterwards, like when he talked to sakura? ) ? BTW for some reason I think that gambunta wouldn't have had to much trouble dealing with Gaara's sand shield
Yea you have me there.Perhaps, but that would be personal opinion at this point right?
I never said he could use those moves, you asked what abilities I named some. Another he can already use is that Sharingan controlled shuriken move he used on Oro.That is part of the sharingan in my mind, which is part of my point that he hasn't fully developed his sharingan(you think he can use those moves? heh)
If Kimi wasn't able to hit Lee who was seeing things in real time I'd say it would help a lot. If someone around my height/age and speed can avoid being hit by a 90mph fast ball out of nowhere. Then I'm sure I would be able to avoid a 75mph that I knew was coming.Did I say he couldn't read movements? I said he hasn't fully developed it, DQing the moves we saw itachi use. Also I commented that he most likly could not see predict kimi's bones moving about which just leaves him seeing things slower which would help, but would it be enough?
Enough that he was spared death and only passed out from the pain. Had Sasuke hit Gaara in a vital spot and not the shoulder I believe Gaara would be dead.Gaara's real ultimate defense stopped it enough.... no?
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I never said it proved anything, but serves as a general guide to the rules of the naruto world, which BEGIN and END with the will of Kishimoto. And when did Sasuke ever defeat Kakashi? Anyways, it's not a rule, but you cannot say with absolute certainty, that because fighter A can defeat B, and fighter B can defeat C, that C cannot defeat fighter A. There are endless variables to deal with in terms of what is possible .. it's very ambiguous.Originally posted by: Mut@t@
Sasuke > Kakashi > Itachi.Originally posted by: MemnochTheCaT
No more and no less than any other form of logic. And we've seen many examples of it already in Naruto, where say Naruto can beat Gaara, who beat Lee, who is getting beat by CS Kimi, who beat Naruto (or couldn't be harmed by Naruto).. nothing is really firm, so all theories are virtually as weak as one another.Originally posted by: Mut@t@
The rock, paper, scissors theory doesn't apply to all cases, it's considered a weak theory to use it as a support for an argument or any type of discussion.
We have 6 pages of people spamming each other with opinions on who would win on Sasuke vs. Kimi, but since (a)- they've never fought, (b)- they never will, (c)- the circumstances could vary (illness, curse level, amount of knowledge/training aquired, etc) .. It's BS to just hate on the Rock>Paper>Scissors example, because it's pretty open-ended and doesn't specify anything other than ambiquity.
I can say that I believe that Kimi would defeat Sasuke under most circumstances, but it's a waste of time to try to convince anyone of it, because none of us are Kishimoto, hence nobody knows what he would have HIS characters do in the event that his plot brought them against one another.
Theory owned.
Like I said, it's stupid to use r, p, s theory in a discussion. It's so random and nothing but a weak support. It doesn't prove anything.
as to the whole shirengen has only be stoped by people that have a shrangen, well it's also only hit people that arn't moving that we've seen
Fuck. I meant Itachi > Kakashi > Sasuke.Originally posted by: MemnochTheCaT
And when did Sasuke ever defeat Kakashi?
Still r, p, s theory is stupid.
I meant sasuke's prespective on it after seeing the huge hole in the back.Originally posted by: Aeon
You're comparing moves that work in 2 different ways. Chidori is designed to be an assination technique(1 hit one kill) so of course it wasn't able to make a huge hole in the back. Naruto's on the other hand (I'm guessing on how it was used on Kabuto) travels through the body and comes from the back(Kabuto was able to heal his external wounds but not his interior).Gamabunta didn't even wanna fight Shukaku(sp), so what makes you think he's Gaara who was weaker?
What about gambunta? I don't follow that sentance at all...
ahh your right, I forgot about the shruiken move. I figured we were talking about a fight between them now, atm he can't use those.
I never said he could use those moves, you asked what abilities I named some. Another he can already use is that Sharingan controlled shuriken move he used on Oro.
Ya but lee's leg got caught right? That was after the first gate opened and everything so he did hit him when he was moving (what I assume to be) faster than sasuke can go.
If Kimi wasn't able to hit Lee who was seeing things in real time I'd say it would help a lot. If someone around my height/age and speed can avoid being hit by a 90mph fast ball out of nowhere. Then I'm sure I would be able to avoid a 75mph that I knew was coming.
I meant in the arena when the chidori pirced the sand ball(with spikes) and only cut gaara's cheek.
Enough that he was spared death and only passed out from the pain. Had Sasuke hit Gaara in a vital spot and not the shoulder I believe Gaara would be dead.
BWT with the whole RPS discussion, I think memonch means that the RPS theory works because with enough variables(not just rock, paper, and scissors) it shows that one person can defeat another just because they beat a guy that beat the person they want to defeat ?
Normally I perfer not to get caught up in these type of discussions but meh >.>
In my opinion Kimimaro would most likely beat Sasuke.
The way I see it Sasuke has potential to become better than Kimimaro but in his current state Kimimaro would smack him around.
My reasons being are;
1.They both possesses unique and powerful bloodlines which both help in taijutsu combat however Sasuke is not able to fully ultilize his bloodline while it was stated that Kimimaro has master his bloodline.
2.Yes Sasuke is of a powerful clan and the number 1 Genin Rookie for that year however Kimimaro is also a genis among his clan.
3.Both are taijutsu fighters and neither uses Genjutsu *from what I've seen*. While Sasuke uses Ninjutsu there is a drawback to this. Most of Sasuke's techs require massive amounts of chakra. Example being his Shanrigan and chidori. Also recall that Sasuke is only able to use the chidori correctly with Shanrigan while using his taijutsu speed. That alone would significantly drain his chakra.
4. In compairing bloodlines Sasuke's Shanrigan seems to use more chakra than Kimimaro's. Kimimaro is able to form and manipulate his bones at will without using any chakra it seems.
5. While Sasuke would most likely be able to dodge Kimimaro's attacks Kimimaro is most likely able to do the same. Since he is extremely agile and in the case that a blow would land on him a quick use of his bloodline would limit the damage if not prevent it at all. As in the case with Lee's use of lotus.
6.In terms of their cursed seals Kimimaro still has the advantage. They both possess equally powerful cursed seals that being Heaven and Earth. However Sasuke has little to no control over his cursed seal to the point where it is a danger to himself as stated by Sakon. While on the otherhand Kimimaro seems to have mastered his seal, just releasing and using what he needs. Noticed how he released only part of his seal to fight drunken Lee? Sasuke also just recieved his 2nd lvl cursed seal thus I seriously doubt he can fully master it right now. Remember the cursed seal is a double edge sword which enhances your abilities *and your form at lvl2* but at the cost of chakra.
7.Orochimaru first wanted Kimimaro but with Kimimaro's disease he was no longer the cream of the crop for containers.
8.Lastly what we've seen from Kimimaro is not his best imo. He is on his death bed moving at pure will. While taking on kyubi Naruto, Drunken Lee and now Garaa. To be able to face all of those talented fighters while near death puts him higher than Sasuke in my mind as well and to nearly kill them all too *except for Gaara since his fight with him just started*.
All in all Kimimaro has more experience not only with his bloodline but his cursed seal while Sasuke's bloodline rivals the Kaguya bloodline it uses too much chakra alone with chidori, Lee's taijutsu speed and his cursed seal.
Now if Sasuke could control his bloodline like Kimimaro and his cursed seal I think it would be impossible for us to accurately determine who would win. Also just remember this entire thread is mostly speculation and personal opinion.
Meh sorry for such a long post >.< and any typing errors >.>
P.S. <3 Kimimaro ^.^
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