Akevermillion, I could be mistaken, but I believe that's probably a spoiler for the anime side of things for the time being.
On topic, I do agree that Kakashi is awesome, I guess since this is his first team I should give him some slack [img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-smile.gif[/img]
who are you talking to [img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-happy.gif[/img]Originally posted by: MemnochTheCaT
Akevermillion, I could be mistaken, but I believe that's probably a spoiler for the anime side of things for the time being.
On topic, I do agree that Kakashi is awesome, I guess since this is his first team I should give him some slack [img][/img]
Misc people who said that Kakashi is or was a good teacher [img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-smile.gif[/img]
EDIT : LOL there was a post by akevermillion that is now deleted, makes me look insane. MUHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH!
The characters are obviously created the way they are for a reason. Naruto would not be half as good as it is had then had a 'better' teacher. The point is they are JUST strong enough to make it through, making the whole cartoon more suspenceful and interesting. However, Kakashi is an excellent teacher. The few words he does say and the few actions he takes are far more significant than you might realise. Especially in the earlier episodes.
Speaking of teachers.... I have always wondered how exactly Gai trains Neji... I mean there must be some similarities between his and the Hyuuga taijutsu style, but only up to a point...
That is an interesting observation DB_Hunter. I guess we can presume that Gai is a competent taijutsu teacher, while Kakashi is more adept at explaining gen/nin?
In a way, I think it would have been cool for the teams to rotate senseis, depending on mission level and what they need to learn.
i agree.... let Gai train Naruto, he need the speed and taijutsu, and imagine how naruto would be with all his other skills combine, that would be really cool.
Ooo I forgot about Asuma, his taijutsu is pretty awesome too, would be cool to see Sasuke & Naruto get some pointers from him [img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-smile.gif[/img]
Btw : Off-topic, can someone pm me with a solution to the avatar bug? I was talking to Krbadass about it, but I believe he may have missed my last msg.
first of all, cudos for starting the first decent topic in a LONG while.
second, what ava bug?
third, who ever said the rotating senseis would be good, i agree. if naruto learns taijutsu from guy, he'll be killer. imagine a mass kage bunshun, all fighting and moving like lee. add that to the resengan, and u have a very deadly ninja.
Hey Assassin! Thanks, I was hoping this would be something fun to talk about. Hehehe, yeah Naruto's kage bunshin would be pretty wicked if he had anywhere near Lee's taijutsu skill!
The Avatar bug is something that apparently seems to affect a lot of the old-school members (from 2003), in which they cannot upload avatars, even though they fit all parameters. I have tried copying other avatars which people are already successfully using here, to no avail. I've tried different pcs, operating systems, and browsers, to no avail. So it must be something in the database [img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-sad.gif[/img] Anyone know a fix?
Memnoch, as far as I know the avatars arent fixed yet. Those of us who still have our avas are the ones who uploaded them from our comps at some point in 2004, and haven't changed them since the avatar problems started. I'm sure that if you're patient, it will be fixed eventually.
As for the idea of rotating senseis, that would offer the advantage of each team being able to learn a variety of different skills from different perspectives. However, I think the current system has several advantages too. Most importantly, when a teacher spends as much time as those jounins do with their teams of genins, it lets them become very familiar with each of the skills and attributes of each genin. In theory, this means that they know best where each one is strong, and how to improve upon their strengths, as well as the weaknesses of each, and therefore they can introduce training that will help to eliminate these weaknesses.
ya ur rite....what they could do is like, stick to one jounin, but every 6 months or so, spend a month with another jounin to learn diff jutsus and strategies
Kakashi a bad teacher?! there are good points you all made at why Kakashi would be a bad teacher mainly the fact that it looks like he is investing most of his time with Sasuke more than Naruto or Sakura. Does not make him a bad teacher though. Kakashi never thought of Naruto as a weakling and believes he could get stronger which he eventually does throughout the series. Kakashi believes that there are other people who are better suited to teach Naruto like Ebisu which was crazy but whatever and Jiraiya who eventually is his mentor at the moment. So there is nothing bad what Kakashi is doing it is probably because there is nothing he can do that could help Naruto's growth.
Well Sakura has barely shown any fighting in her. I guess all the women in Naruto are weak besides the Fifth. Guess same goes with Sakura. When I try to think about it. I don't think all the Sensai's work well with the girl genins. They all don't look like fighters with the exception of Tenten but she got whooped by Temari. So nice having hope on her.
As for Sasuke well I guess it is best you read the manga if you really need to understand why Kakashi will personally train Sasuke. You will sort of get it I guess. Has barely anything to do with the fact that he was the strongest of the three in the beginning.
You could make a point about Kakashi being a bad teacher... but if you looked all around almost everyone one of the sensai's did something bad. Look at Saratubi Sensai or what you all recognize better by the third Hokage. He spent most of his effort hoping to change Orochimarou without any luck. You could say that about the other sensai's like Gai who is more into training Rock Lee. Asuma who is like hoping and praying that his genins have a future. Kurenai well I can't say much since we barely see her. but yes it is simple to say that they are bad teachers. In a way the way I think the sensai's are like the closest thing to the genin favorite as a father. Kakashi-Sasuke, Gai-Lee. Naruto already has a sort of father figure in Iruka and now Jiraiya.
all teachers have favorite, so kakashi favors sasuke more than the others because sasuke in a way is like him. so what? it's not like they turn out bad. sasuke is a dumb fuck and no one gives a shit about him. hopes itachi rape his ass and break all his bones.
Cool responses guys [img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-smile.gif[/img] I gotta go to work, but I will be back to talk more about this later.
Kitkat, cool, I just wanted to know what was up, no big deal [img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-smile.gif[/img] Will be nice though! I don't want to be an apple or any of these other built-in avas any longer than I have to [img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-wink.gif[/img]
Potentialflip, heheh yeah, those are really good points, though I do think that Sakura has shown *some* promise. I recently re-watched the series from the beginning, and noticed how hard she tried to defend her teammates in the forest trial. I think she just needs someone to give her some extra effort, which I don't believe Kakashi is able to give her for some reason. It's a shame, because he is supposed to know 1000+ jutsu, probably plenty of cool gen/nin stuff, but he's not sharing *grrrr*.
I really like Kakashi anyway though, I thought he was awesome ever since the first ep I saw him show up in.
Kaigan, ROFL your post made my sides hurt from laughing, I kinda feel like that sometimes too, Sasuke is so frustrating, you just want to slap him around. But, he's fulfilling his role in the plot, so meh.
On Kakashi's teaching: He has given Sasuke a preference, but It's not like he didn't try to teach Naruto Chidori, it's just that Naruto couldn't do it. Granted, Kakashi really dropped the ball on Sakura, but it's not like he can train someone who says their going to start training and be stronger and then decides to play with flowers all day. Kakashi should have really given Naruto a little more one on one training, but I don't think all the training under Kakashi would stop Naruto from doing his mass Kagebushin every time.
On Gai's training: He did try to teach all of his students the lotus, but only Lee mastered it, so it was only natural that he gave him some futher training further down that style. I don't believe that the Gate technique was created soley for the purpose of defeating Neji (though Gai obviously knew that was the only way that Lee could beat Neji), but as the Lotus was meant to defend someone precious , the Gates were made to defend Lee's Ninja Way. I don't think Gai's taijustu(sp) style would work for Neji because it would contradict most of his style, but I'm sure he'd be a super effective fighter at close range if he had the option to break bones or break chakra (or just do both). As for Tenten, she doesn't seem like a close range fighter at all, although it would certainly help her when her weapons are useless.
i think kakashi is an excellent teacher but not perfect since he is always late. [img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-happy.gif[/img]
gai is also an excellent teacher. it's just that each teacher has his own way and style of teaching, that's the only difference i think. Also have to consider their student's attitude, personality, ability and the likes. Each individual is unique or different from one another. I think kakashi and gai both did a splendid job teaching their students.
But if we checked out the results of their teaching, i say kakashi did little better than gai since souske and naruto passed the 1st round of eliminations, but only neji advanced, and in the end naruto defeated neji. Plus gai's students trained 1 year earlier than kakashi's. They should have the advantage.
therefore, kakashi wins. but this doesn't have anything to do with being a good or bad teacher.
Memnoch, I totally know what you mean. When I first signed up, I browsed through the list of avatars, and I was like, "Wow, these all suck." and so I opened up Paint and made myself my very first avatar ever. I hope you get your real ava back soon.
Cozz, I think I'm gonna play devil's advocate and argue a bit on the Sakura issue. I know, this is out of character for me, since I very much dislike Sakura, but I think we need someone to argue the opposite perspective for a moment.
First off, I doubt Sakura is playing with flowers all day (Ino might be, since she works at a flower shop, but Ino is more useless than Sakura). Anyways, I speculate that the girls of Konoha who choose to become ninjas have a lot more to learn than the guys. Not only must they train as ninjas, but I speculate that they also have serious family obligations, to learn cooking, and sewing, and various other 'femenine' skills from their mothers. Maybe she just doesn't have as much time to train as the guys do, since Naruto and Sasuke both don't have families and therefore can spend a great deal more time training. Overall, I think Sakura could be a decent ninja if she didn't let her emotions dictate her decisions. Anyways, this is starting to drift off-topic, so I'll leave it at that.
Mitsui, I think that the success of Kakashi's students in the chuunin exam isn't so much a reflection of Kakashi's teaching skill, but rather a reflection of the the unusually powerful and motivated genins he happened to get on his team. Granted, Kakashi taught them a lot and helped them improve, but I think they would have achieved the same level of improvement under Gai. Maybe not improvement in the same areas, but I think overall the measure of improvement would be about equal.
I also think Sakura could be a decent ninja, and await the time that she finally becomes one. My point about flowers was this: During the chuunin exam, after Lee was defeated by the sound trio, Sakura desired to be strong. Granted, I knew there was no way for her to beat the sound trio, becasue there were only 4 Genins at that point who really had a chance agianst one on 3 (Naruto, Sasuke, Neji, and Lee), and no was Sakura going to be in that group. After the Exam, she had the chance to train...but she would rather give a flower to Sasuke(who wasn't there), and watch as half a man (Lee) trained than get up and train herself. If Kakashi had taught Sakura how to prioritize herself , I don't think she would be as hated as she is now.Originally posted by: KitKat
Cozz, I think I'm gonna play devil's advocate and argue a bit on the Sakura issue. I know, this is out of character for me, since I very much dislike Sakura, but I think we need someone to argue the opposite perspective for a moment.
First off, I doubt Sakura is playing with flowers all day (Ino might be, since she works at a flower shop, but Ino is more useless than Sakura). Anyways, I speculate that the girls of Konoha who choose to become ninjas have a lot more to learn than the guys. Not only must they train as ninjas, but I speculate that they also have serious family obligations, to learn cooking, and sewing, and various other 'femenine' skills from their mothers. Maybe she just doesn't have as much time to train as the guys do, since Naruto and Sasuke both don't have families and therefore can spend a great deal more time training. Overall, I think Sakura could be a decent ninja if she didn't let her emotions dictate her decisions. Anyways, this is starting to drift off-topic, so I'll leave it at that.
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Heh, I totally agree with you Cozz. [img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-tongue.gif[/img]
Darn it, I suck at debating the opposite side. We need someone else here to argue on Sakura's behalf who actually likes her character. As for myself, I shall lapse back to my usual anti-Sakura-ness.
Btw, welcome to the forum. It's nice to see another person here who uses complete sentences and puts some thought into their posts.
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