This ep were great since there was alot of action and not just talk. Also this ep made me dislike Shinn even more,how can he in the middle of the battle forget about Athrun and leave him alone,they could have beat them if he helped Athrun.
Also when will Shinn grow up,he cant go on like this forever...
I hope they met Kira and co soon so Athrun can fight with someone that works with him....
Worst episode yet IMHO. For a lot of reasons lets list them shall we.
The state Gaia can't fly or go underwater so whats it do turn into dog mode and run across it WTF was that. However I'm getting ahead of myself we have Athrun(or however you spell it) being COMPLETELY outshined by Shinn in the impulse. It wasn't even close Athrun took out 1 while we have to watch Shinn take out 30 mechs. Not only that but considering Zaft build the Gaia, Abyss and Chaos wouldn't one think that they wouldn't suicide troops at that? Abyss is a transforming mech that becoms a sub and they would know the speed and limits yet there sending out mobile suits who have absolutely zero chance of hitting it with there munitions considering how slow they moved.
Now lets move on to the fact not a single Mobile suit went for the Minerva instead they all just buzzed around Shinn like completely useless untrained bugs were talking not even Neo was getting a hit in. Oh wait Athrun is still uselessly dodging in the air completely ignoring the battle he's in not trying to do anything but complain about Shinn.
Then finally we have Shinn randomly crashing through a halfbuilt base which just resulted in him killing a bunch of people who had zero chance of being any threat. Yes they shot some civilians and were made out to be bad guys but reguardless Shinn disobey's a direct order from a member of Faith and just gets slapped a couple of times... yeah thats realistic considering the intel about the battleplans for the attack could have been interogated from some prisoners but instead they settle for a slash and burn that amounts to absolutely nothing.
Also due to the poor quality of the fight scene you could hardly tell who was blowing up. Given it was cannon fodder units but being they were suppose to be a new type of mobile suit one would imagine them to require more effort then killing a mosquito.
Buzzed around Shinn? we can't expect too much from meer Naturals...
The day the make cannon fodder more then...well...cannon fodder is the day when people start complaining that the battles are too drawn out and don't have enough things exploding.
What happened to arthrun?? Zaku = amazing pilot, Savior = "Shinn where are you? Come back, I need you!"
Yeah Athrun wasnt at his best this ep dont know why he need Shinn to win against Chaos......
Usually in any Gundam series and most normal series when a new suit is introduced it gets to show off for a bit until the main character spots a weakness then overcomes it and takes them out. In this case it was more like they just gave up and Shinn who a couple of battles ago was having such a hard time with 2 team mates when they were leaving orb suddenly just plows through 30 Mobile suits while evenly fighting Neo and later Stella as well. On the other hand you have the hardened warvet unable to deal with Chaos in Savior which is a much higher quality Gundam. Not only that but neither of them used the Seed ability at all so apparently 31 to 2 odds is a walk throught the park and 30 to 1 for Shinn is now childs play.Originally posted by: Everon
The day the make cannon fodder more then...well...cannon fodder is the day when people start complaining that the battles are too drawn out and don't have enough things exploding.
What happened to arthrun?? Zaku = amazing pilot, Savior = "Shinn where are you? Come back, I need you!"
well it is most likely a Mwu clone--- look at the new intro with "neo Lornoke" or watever the hell they call him and ArchAngel captain lady (yea im bad with names). either way Asuran did pretty badly in battle. just flying around shouting orders and getting shot at lol. but best part was still Shinn getting bitch slapped twice by asuran.
great ep, and DDBen if you think shinn outshined asuran look again, asuran is playing around and not going full shinn almost gets shot down a few times and he's a cocky fuck to i hate that kid being all "omfg im the hero here, ill show you how to do it asuran!!" fuck that fuckhead. Loved when asuran slapped him and told him what a war is about shinn can go fuck himself.
as for the stolen gundams they were all cool this ep auel is fucking crazy just like stellar, now we need to see sting in crazy mode he's been sort of the calm one. Neo kicks ass awesome character and stellar seems to have a crush on him or something oh and another thing to DDBen gaia wasnt running on water it was running on the seafloor(or whatever you call it in english) under the water i suggest you watch the ep again, shinn and stellar stands there fighting.....
And yet another glorifieing of ZAFT and crapfest on EA with all the slaves and shit ill tell you i dont like this, ZAFT wasnt crapped on in SEED even tho they had a equally stupid leader as the EA got now Patrick Zala was sort of the Blue Cosmos of Plant yet the didnt do much to show his bad sides now they show bad EA sides all over the place and ZAFT rescuing everything and shit and Shinn and the minerva isnt that great main character and main ship anyway. i say asuran join the archangel and they make sting, auel, stellar and neo to join them then they defeat the evil dulinandal who only is pretending to be a good guy and somewhere in here shinn dies that would be great.
Originally posted by: Pervert-Sennin Jiraiya
great ep, and DDBen if you think shinn outshined asuran look again, asuran is playing around and not going full shinn almost gets shot down a few times and he's a cocky fuck to i hate that kid being all "omfg im the hero here, ill show you how to do it asuran!!" fuck that fuckhead. Loved when asuran slapped him and told him what a war is about shinn can go fuck himself.
as for the stolen gundams they were all cool this ep auel is fucking crazy just like stellar, now we need to see sting in crazy mode he's been sort of the calm one. Neo kicks ass awesome character and stellar seems to have a crush on him or something oh and another thing to DDBen gaia wasnt running on water it was running on the seafloor(or whatever you call it in english) under the water i suggest you watch the ep again, shinn and stellar stands there fighting.....
And yet another glorifieing of ZAFT and crapfest on EA with all the slaves and shit ill tell you i dont like this, ZAFT wasnt crapped on in SEED even tho they had a equally stupid leader as the EA got now Patrick Zala was sort of the Blue Cosmos of Plant yet the didnt do much to show his bad sides now they show bad EA sides all over the place and ZAFT rescuing everything and shit and Shinn and the minerva isnt that great main character and main ship anyway. i say asuran join the archangel and they make sting, auel, stellar and neo to join them then they defeat the evil dulinandal who only is pretending to be a good guy and somewhere in here shinn dies that would be great.
Reguardless of what Athrun was doing there was no reason for him to be putting absolutely zero pressure on a attacking force like that he didn't take out anything and he should have atleast been aiming to disable the mechs as he might not have been looking to kill the piolets. As far as Gaia running on the reef bed yes at points thats perfectly believeable however considering that we had Abyss going in sub mode there is virtually no way there was a reef going all the way from the island to the battle. Do note Gaia is jumping along the rocks to orignally get to the bass to protect it the later point when she goes to help Neo however she is running on top of the water with nothing going under water.
On the other hand I do agree they are overglorifying Zaft who is just as wrong in this matter as the EA and that Shinn needs to die ASAP.
well as asurans and shinns objective was to defend the minerva and not attack the Ea forces shinn didnt do what he was supposed to, sure he did good but he iddnt do right. as for asurans hesistant actions i guess he still is a little unwilling to jump into that mobile suit. but shinn needs to learn his place, he is no divine god who can defeat all.
The gaia thing isnt somehting worth arguing about. it ran on parts in space in the first couple of eps and thats impossible to.
Asuran not bieng ready for mobile suit action is the only reason why he didnt so good and even Neo and Chaos admitted they couldnt tuch him when they tried to shoot him down.
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i also hated the part about the launching... TOOK TOO MUCH DAMN TIME
agree asuran could be a lot better---i mean its not much of a comparison to compare him to any of the pilots from Minverva (least of all Shinn or Lunamaria) and the New EA Trio seem ok, but all got rocked by Asuran Isaac and Deakka who were all in Mass production mobile suits (who in turn all got rocked by Kira in the other series when it was 4 on 1 or 4 on 2 lol), but either way i hope they dont screw over Asuran again like they did in the other SEED.
i agree with the launching scenes, it did take way too long. Also it seems like the foursome of neo,auel,sting and stellar will continously gang up on athuran and shinn just like ZAFT against Kira in Seed. As for athuran's hesistation, i think he doesnt want to kill anyone unless he is saving someone. Like when Junius 7 dropped athuran went nuts to save the people of earth. I guess Athuran knew that this battle with Neo& co. was pointless since the minerva barely got attacked.
man, ep 16 sucked, i wanna see kira and athrun dominate and whoop everyone's ass.
i don't see whats stopping them..... they can do anything they want now.Originally posted by: Mut@t@
man, ep 16 sucked, i wanna see kira and athrun dominate and whoop everyone's ass.
pretty good ep...the whole runnin on water thing, although kool, was kinda stupid. gaaia is WAY to massive to pull off something like that....even by gundam standards, thas pushing it. aw well, its just anime i guess.
best part was athuran smacking shinn upside the head....about time someone btch slapped him.
i didnt particulary like the battle. nothign special. and luna and the other guy (ray?) sucked soooooo much under water. auel totally owned thier asses in like 2.5 seconds. all they did was stand around and watch him sink a ship.
Well considering that they were so heavily outmatched I think they did well. There are several things to remember; first, the Abyss is a Gundam while they were piloting Zaku's. Second, the Abyss was designed specifically to be top of the line in underwater performance, the Zaku's almost certainly weren't deisgned to even be used underwater.Originally posted by: Assassin
pretty good ep...the whole runnin on water thing, although kool, was kinda stupid. gaaia is WAY to massive to pull off something like that....even by gundam standards, thas pushing it. aw well, its just anime i guess.
best part was athuran smacking shinn upside the head....about time someone btch slapped him.
i didnt particulary like the battle. nothign special. and luna and the other guy (ray?) sucked soooooo much under water. auel totally owned thier asses in like 2.5 seconds. all they did was stand around and watch him sink a ship.
Also someone (not the person I'm quoteing) asked about why launch the GOOhNs to go after the Abyss, it is quite simple. Their options were send out the hopelessly outmatched GOOhNs and let them get destroyed, or sit there and let the Abyss come straight for them and do nothing while they die.
Another thing to add about Athran's performace suffering in the battle, keep in mind that the battle in the Zaku he had Yzak supporting him, and also it was in the Zero G of outer space. Keep in mind almost all of the fighting he did on Earth in the first series was either on the ground or using a Guul to support him. He may just not be as good at fighting within Earth's atmosphere.
Originally posted by: DDBen
The state Gaia can't fly or go underwater so whats it do turn into dog mode and run across it WTF was that.Okay well when I saw that scene sure standing on rocks is obviously better than being in water. But even while getting to the last rock there was a splash. Point 5:20 of SEED-Fansub shows the scene. Just before the last rock you see the water splash up. 14:56 Gaia is watching the battle and Stellar gets concerned so she transforms and leaps landing what looks like on even thou the feet submerge just abit then quickly moving forward. 15:44 we see Gaia trying to reach Neo's Windam as Shinn is gunning for him. Alot more splash as she is farther from the shore now. Deeper water. Gaia leaps and collides with Impulse knocking it into even deeper water. Where they proced to get up and fight alil. This is all happening pretty close to the coast compared to where the Minerva is and the battle with Abyss. Just looking at the Minerva monitors at points you can see how far the island is.Originally posted by: DDBen
As far as Gaia running on the reef bed yes at points thats perfectly believeable however considering that we had Abyss going in sub mode there is virtually no way there was a reef going all the way from the island to the battle. Do note Gaia is jumping along the rocks to orignally get to the bass to protect it the later point when she goes to help Neo however she is running on top of the water with nothing going under water.
My count for shown kills was more around Athrun -1, Shinn -10. That leaves 18 destroyed Windams unaccounted for. Surely some of those went to Athrun and the Minerva since Shinn had the most screen time. I'm sure a few of those random shots were kills as well thou for Shinn.Originally posted by: DDBen
However I'm getting ahead of myself we have Athrun(or however you spell it) being COMPLETELY outshined by Shinn in the impulse. It wasn't even close Athrun took out 1 while we have to watch Shinn take out 30 mechs.
Yes lets just let the sub get destroyed by Abyss. Don't launch any countermeasures. The Goohns is all they had. There was a chance it might work. They had no idea how capable of a pilot the Abyss pilot was. In the end they still all died. But it was an acceptable risk for the safety of the sub. I also don't think every Zaft officer was privy to the technical specs of the Abyss. I think they were given the name and that the suit was stolen. But thats probably all the intel they got.Originally posted by: DDBen
Not only that but considering Zaft build the Gaia, Abyss and Chaos wouldn't one think that they wouldn't suicide troops at that? Abyss is a transforming mech that becoms a sub and they would know the speed and limits yet there sending out mobile suits who have absolutely zero chance of hitting it with there munitions considering how slow they moved.
At point 12:01 of the SEED-Fansub you can see Windams flying over the Minerva as AA guns are firing and Arthur orders launchers 1 and 2 to fire. If its heavily defending itself why sacrifice on it. Plus they gotta defend themselves from Athrun and Shinn. Sting said he was gonna take the new unit. Its kinda hard to focus on other enemies when you have multiple ones shooting at you. So you take on whatever unit you can. Thats basically all shinn did. Except his opponents were alot easier till he was fighting Neo. If Shinn can get better at piloting I don't see why Sting can't. And I think Athrun was taking out suits as well since Shinn only showed taking out 10.Originally posted by: DDBen
Now lets move on to the fact not a single Mobile suit went for the Minerva instead they all just buzzed around Shinn like completely useless untrained bugs were talking not even Neo was getting a hit in. Oh wait Athrun is still uselessly dodging in the air completely ignoring the battle he's in not trying to do anything but complain about Shinn.
Randomly crashing through? He chased the Gaia towards the base. Then the base launched its own defense force with wasn't anything to really be worried about. After the slaves were murdered Shinn snapped. He was gonna get rid of the base one way or another. He definately was gonna let someone from ORB lecture him. Considering he did a good thing freeing the people it was still wrong. Correction is a fitting punishment. He will probably also be written up. But come on thats sorta boring to show on an anime. We may see more later in the next ep about a punishment. Who knows. We don't know what they settled for either...Originally posted by: DDBen
Then finally we have Shinn randomly crashing through a halfbuilt base which just resulted in him killing a bunch of people who had zero chance of being any threat. Yes they shot some civilians and were made out to be bad guys but reguardless Shinn disobey's a direct order from a member of Faith and just gets slapped a couple of times... yeah thats realistic considering the intel about the battleplans for the attack could have been interogated from some prisoners but instead they settle for a slash and burn that amounts to absolutely nothing.
Some of those suits were well placed beam shots, others were multiple poorly aimed beam shots. Vulcans to the propulsion in the back caused a nice explosion. And you are right. We didn't really get to see the kills so we sorta don't know who did most of the shooting down of suits.Originally posted by: DDBen
Also due to the poor quality of the fight scene you could hardly tell who was blowing up. Given it was cannon fodder units but being they were suppose to be a new type of mobile suit one would imagine them to require more effort then killing a mosquito.
I can see what problems you may have had with the ep. But if you looked at things closer everything does sorta fit and work. But yea I wish Athrun was shown to be a better pilot cause he is. Also Abyss isn't superior to the other 3 suits. It was developed at about the same time and based of them. Atleast I think thats was the chairman said. Time to goto work. So ttyl. Hope this cleared ail up as well.
First, something I forgot last night. Even if Rey and Luna had managed to hit the Abyss with their Bazooka's, all it would have done is annoy him. Remember they specifically said that Beam weapons wouldn't work under water, and since the Abyss has Phase Shift it would just shrug off any other conventional weapons. Based on that, the Abyss would be almost invincible underwater.
Also, on the comment on them blowing up too easily, here is a quote about MS design from a page about Z Gundam which probably would apply to the Windams.
"With the advent of portable beam weaponry, a mobile suit was typically destroyed with one or two well-placed shots regardless of its armor; therefore, it was decided that otherwise useless armor would be sacrificed for lighter weight - and thus greater speed and maneuverability."
The above quote is curtousy of http://www.mahq.net/mecha/gundam/z/rx-178.htm second paragraph
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