Upcoming Events.... SEED Destiny Thoughts

[NeoBear]

I wonder if S. Freedom can use the DRAGOONS like Rey did on Legend Gundam? Like, turn them in a direction while still attached, and fire?

well i assume when he does that thing wear he locks on to a bunch of targets at once that thats wut you mean cause his wings go out to his sids then piont forward, at least thats how it looks.

sometimes when i watch freedoms wings and various other parts move around it cracks me up cause i mean its metal and it often seems like things bend all funkey or grow all big, kinda like in the old transformers when soundwave would be sitting on a dresser and then transform and be like 300 times bigger, i know its for the sake of the show and we are suposed to take stuff with a grain of salt but you know wut i mean =p

[darkshadow]

Originally posted by: zn|¹
Darkshadow - I don't know what your watching but Destiny wasn't "way too fast for Strike Freedom". Throughout that little number Freedom and Destiny were going at about an equal speed. You could say something like OMFG STRIKE FREEDOM WAS SO FAST HE DODGED DESTINYS LASER SHOT!!! It's really not a big deal. The one major thing is Destiny can barely keep up on Earth; meaning if they go to space, it's gonna be unholy rape when Freedom uses its DRAGOONS.

i dont knwo what the fuck you watched, watch that scene again in slomo, or in something like virtual dub mod, it clearly shows dsetiny being way to fast for freedom, why?
1. freedom tries to rush, only to find air waiting for him
2. turns around whill destiny is already behind him
3. tries to shoot but doesnt even get the chance and must defend seeing how destiny shoots first
4. destiny flies away again before kira can even pull down its defence ( hence the irritated expression on his face)
5. and the most important point, destiny did all those moves in about 3 seconds

freedom could NOT keep up, fact!

[fox_t]

Originally posted by: NeoBear

I wonder if S. Freedom can use the DRAGOONS like Rey did on Legend Gundam? Like, turn them in a direction while still attached, and fire?

well i assume when he does that thing wear he locks on to a bunch of targets at once that thats wut you mean cause his wings go out to his sids then piont forward, at least thats how it looks.

sometimes when i watch freedoms wings and various other parts move around it cracks me up cause i mean its metal and it often seems like things bend all funkey or grow all big, kinda like in the old transformers when soundwave would be sitting on a dresser and then transform and be like 300 times bigger, i know its for the sake of the show and we are suposed to take stuff with a grain of salt but you know wut i mean =p

if you watch the clip again you'll notice that only the two rail guns his chest beam and two beam rifles fire...he can't fire the DRAGOON units like Rey can.

[Curium]

Originally posted by: fox_t

Originally posted by: NeoBear

I wonder if S. Freedom can use the DRAGOONS like Rey did on Legend Gundam? Like, turn them in a direction while still attached, and fire?

well i assume when he does that thing wear he locks on to a bunch of targets at once that thats wut you mean cause his wings go out to his sids then piont forward, at least thats how it looks.

sometimes when i watch freedoms wings and various other parts move around it cracks me up cause i mean its metal and it often seems like things bend all funkey or grow all big, kinda like in the old transformers when soundwave would be sitting on a dresser and then transform and be like 300 times bigger, i know its for the sake of the show and we are suposed to take stuff with a grain of salt but you know wut i mean =p

if you watch the clip again you'll notice that only the two rail guns his chest beam and two beam rifles fire...he can't fire the DRAGOON units like Rey can.

He probably can fire them, he just can't aim them forward. Just a design issue. Providence has the same thing on it's backpack. The 2 units pointing up diagonally can fold forward and fire as well. If he wanted Kira could probably take out an opponent behind him with them without releasing them.

[alex_milliardo_zilch]

Originally posted by: NeoBear

Originally posted by: NeoBear
some of this is crap i mean its shown wear freedome came from and destiny as well for that matter, but SF is made wear and buy whom? i mean i dont wanna get into the debate over wich MS is the best but Sf is god mode i see no weekness and its got a nuke power core as well? its hard to swalow that it was just slaped togeather inside some rock by "The pink haired demon" and if the original freedom was made buy zaft why cant they make something equal and or better destiny seems great but sf and og freedom can kill like 30+ targets in one shot

its just odd wut does zaft have that can stack up to the shear death ray factor of sf?

Well, the problem w/ ZAFT building another Freedom and Justice was that it was against some stupid nuclear restriction. If you look at the cockpit screen when each suit boots up, I believe Freedom and Justice have Unrestructed Nuclear in the G "U N" D A M acrynym. Destiny has that U word that has to do w/ that beam they shoot at the forehead to recharge.
Plus, the blueprints might have been lost since building Freedom and Justice at the time were illegal and the possibilty of the blueprints were stored on Genesis (which blew up).

welp i guess that would mean that freedom and justice were illegaly made and that would explain a bit, but wut about the whole construction of sf and ij, yes its a given that certain things have to be ignored in order to move the plot along but both of these being made just like that?

and im not sure how much time progressed between the fall of freedom and when he recives sf i have no complants about shinn gettign destiny, it seemed like somethign that had been planed and they explained why but sf and ij just seemed to be slaped togeather

i know PHD goes of into space to do her thing but i mean if everyone knew she was gonna be makign sf why was there ever any real concern when freedom was destroyed? it should have been like welp thats too bad but shes making me a better one anyway, kira made it seem like he was gonna be totaly powerless forever

oh and by the way tekno that show frigging rocked to bad it ended all lame =(

I just watched episode 42, it's way too cool!!!! [img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-shocked.gif[/img] I watched it 3X, and i'll be watching it again tonight, after work, when i go home. just a tought, i think SF is built while freedom is still around, Lacus goes to space in episodes before the original freedom is destroyed. so i think it didn't use the parts of the original freedom. Or maybe, just a tought, the project of building SF started within those 2 years before destiny. The original freedom was hidden right, maybe they studied it and make a new one, with many upgrades, even the powersupply i think, its now compact nuclear something. Maybe they thought in 2 years time, technology back in ZAFT would be way too advanced, and if ever a war will ever be brought up again, the original freedom won't stand too long to fight new tech and newly upgraded MS. Besides, the Lacus faction definitely have spies back in ZAFT, maybe the reason why the parts of SF are that cool and brand new is they get it from ZAFT. What i'm curious about is IJ, if Lacus don't have the blueprints of Freedom and Justice, how did she build IJ? Building SF is reasonable since the original unit is with them, they have ample time to study and build anorther one, but IJ is destroyed in Seed. I think Athrun use the original Justice's nuclear power to self destruct and blew up the Genesis, i forgot, correct me if im wrong.

Anyways, maybe the reason why Kira is very much worried when the original Freedom got destroyed, is because he may not be able to stop the war, and when the war is upon Orb, there's no way Orb will win. Maybe at the time the original Freedom is destroyed, SF is not yet complete, maybe 90% complete, but not a hundred. [img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-smile.gif[/img] For me, i think it's reasonable, look at the size and power of SF, 2 years is just not enough right. But for IJ, im not so sure, how could they possibly built something without the original blueprint and/or the unit itself to study with. Weird.

[alex_milliardo_zilch]

Originally posted by: NeoBear

Originally posted by: NeoBear
some of this is crap i mean its shown wear freedome came from and destiny as well for that matter, but SF is made wear and buy whom? i mean i dont wanna get into the debate over wich MS is the best but Sf is god mode i see no weekness and its got a nuke power core as well? its hard to swalow that it was just slaped togeather inside some rock by "The pink haired demon" and if the original freedom was made buy zaft why cant they make something equal and or better destiny seems great but sf and og freedom can kill like 30+ targets in one shot

its just odd wut does zaft have that can stack up to the shear death ray factor of sf?

Well, the problem w/ ZAFT building another Freedom and Justice was that it was against some stupid nuclear restriction. If you look at the cockpit screen when each suit boots up, I believe Freedom and Justice have Unrestructed Nuclear in the G "U N" D A M acrynym. Destiny has that U word that has to do w/ that beam they shoot at the forehead to recharge.
Plus, the blueprints might have been lost since building Freedom and Justice at the time were illegal and the possibilty of the blueprints were stored on Genesis (which blew up).

welp i guess that would mean that freedom and justice were illegaly made and that would explain a bit, but wut about the whole construction of sf and ij, yes its a given that certain things have to be ignored in order to move the plot along but both of these being made just like that?

and im not sure how much time progressed between the fall of freedom and when he recives sf i have no complants about shinn gettign destiny, it seemed like somethign that had been planed and they explained why but sf and ij just seemed to be slaped togeather

i know PHD goes of into space to do her thing but i mean if everyone knew she was gonna be makign sf why was there ever any real concern when freedom was destroyed? it should have been like welp thats too bad but shes making me a better one anyway, kira made it seem like he was gonna be totaly powerless forever

oh and by the way tekno that show frigging rocked to bad it ended all lame =(

I just watched episode 42, it's way too cool!!!! [img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-shocked.gif[/img] I watched it 3X, and i'll be watching it again tonight, after work, when i go home. just a tought, i think SF is built while freedom is still around, Lacus goes to space in episodes before the original freedom is destroyed. so i think it didn't use the parts of the original freedom. Or maybe, just a tought, the project of building SF started within those 2 years before destiny. The original freedom was hidden right, maybe they studied it and make a new one, with many upgrades, even the powersupply i think, its now compact nuclear something. Maybe they thought in 2 years time, technology back in ZAFT would be way too advanced, and if ever a war will ever be brought up again, the original freedom won't stand too long to fight new tech and newly upgraded MS. Besides, the Lacus faction definitely have spies back in ZAFT, maybe the reason why the parts of SF are that cool and brand new is they get it from ZAFT. What i'm curious about is IJ, if Lacus don't have the blueprints of Freedom and Justice, how did she build IJ? Building SF is reasonable since the original unit is with them, they have ample time to study and build anorther one, but IJ is destroyed in Seed. I think Athrun use the original Justice's nuclear power to self destruct and blew up the Genesis, i forgot, correct me if im wrong.

Anyways, maybe the reason why Kira is very much worried when the original Freedom got destroyed, is because he may not be able to stop the war, and when the war is upon Orb, there's no way Orb will win. Maybe at the time the original Freedom is destroyed, SF is not yet complete, maybe 90% complete, but not a hundred. [img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-smile.gif[/img] For me, i think it's reasonable, look at the size and power of SF, 2 years is just not enough right. But for IJ, im not so sure, how could they possibly built something without the original blueprint and/or the unit itself to study with. Weird.

[alex_milliardo_zilch]

very sorry for double posting!!! my pc here at the workplace is not working so well, i thought i didn't post, so i repost it. sorry.

[Curium]

Hmmmm......

From Wiki;

"as is the ZGMF-X20A Strike Freedom (the Strike Freedom is even able to use its DRAGOON units inside the Atmosphere of a planet). "

[Splash!]

whats this about SF being able to use DRAGOON in atmosphere curium?
That would be thoroughly awesome if it happened but i doubt it.
Maybe it does work in atmosphere but at an extremely limited potential.. like really slow and stuff

However, i have been informed several times now that wikipedia is extremely unreliable and some of the stuff just comes outta nowhere without any evidence or anything.

[TeknoXI]

Originally posted by: NeoBear
welp i guess that would mean that freedom and justice were illegaly made and that would explain a bit, but wut about the whole construction of sf and ij, yes its a given that certain things have to be ignored in order to move the plot along but both of these being made just like that?

and im not sure how much time progressed between the fall of freedom and when he recives sf i have no complants about shinn gettign destiny, it seemed like somethign that had been planed and they explained why but sf and ij just seemed to be slaped togeather

i know PHD goes of into space to do her thing but i mean if everyone knew she was gonna be makign sf why was there ever any real concern when freedom was destroyed? it should have been like welp thats too bad but shes making me a better one anyway, kira made it seem like he was gonna be totaly powerless forever

oh and by the way tekno that show frigging rocked to bad it ended all lame =(

Yeah, I love Tekkaman Blade. I got the latest fansubs from Liquid Anime.

It seems to me that Lacus and the Clyne Faction had kept the factory a secret (even from Kira) to ensure that it wouldn't be found it. In other words, since the last war, Lacus has been producing an upgrade SF, IJ and 3 DOMs. It would only make sense because of how much they rock. Think about it. ZAFT spent time since the last war developing things like the GOUF, ZAKU, CHAOS, GAIA, ABYSS, and IMPULSE, not to mention that mini-Genesis weapon. That's quite a few things going on there. Lacus focused on building 3 DOMs, SF, IJ, and Gaia. That's 3 upgraded/orignal designs and most likely a stolen one.

Originally posted by: darkshadow
i dont knwo what the fuck you watched, watch that scene again in slomo, or in something like virtual dub mod, it clearly shows dsetiny being way to fast for freedom, why?
1. freedom tries to rush, only to find air waiting for him
2. turns around whill destiny is already behind him
3. tries to shoot but doesnt even get the chance and must defend seeing how destiny shoots first
4. destiny flies away again before kira can even pull down its defence ( hence the irritated expression on his face)
5. and the most important point, destiny did all those moves in about 3 seconds

freedom could NOT keep up, fact!

Okay, reason why Freedom can't keep up? Because it wasn't designed to do such a thing. I can't remember where I read it, but I believe it was stated that SF was a Long Range/Interceptor type fighter.
Even w/ that speed, Shinn was unable to do any real damage to Kira. SO HA!!! Kira is utilizing his MS's abilities to defeat his enemy. Think of it just like how Impulse was used to defeat Freedom.

Karma....karma...

[Curium]

Originally posted by: splash
whats this about SF being able to use DRAGOON in atmosphere curium?
That would be thoroughly awesome if it happened but i doubt it.
Maybe it does work in atmosphere but at an extremely limited potential.. like really slow and stuff

However, i have been informed several times now that wikipedia is extremely unreliable and some of the stuff just comes outta nowhere without any evidence or anything.

"extremely unreliable" is exaggerating some, but I know it isn't all accurate.

I got it from the link below. It lists various technologies. I would recommend reading through it, some of it is interesting (like the "Mirage Colloid Virus Spreader" which is what was used to develop DRAGOON technology:The Mirage Colloid virus spreader technology was indeed sold to both the Earth Alliance's Eurasian Federation and to ZAFT. The former would take the technology in a whole new direction for use in their prototype CAT1-X Hyperion Gundam series "Armure Lumiere" beam shields. Meanwhile the latter would not change the technology, but they would use it in their DRAGOON(Disconnected Rapid Armament Group Overlook Operation Network) to move weapon pods without awkward wire guidance.).

That line was under the DRAGOON section, where it was listing DRAGOON enabled units. It specifically noted that SF could, indicating the others couldn't.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cosmic_Era_technology

[Splash!]

apparently... sounds like the atmospheric functioning of DRAGOON will be similar to that of the chaos gundbarrels and the destroy system for that matter. however, could be something really more effective if there really is such a thing
However the site is not very clear on whether legend will be having the same kind of capabilities in terms of DRAGOON as SF. Any info on that?

[Strike Freedom]

I still think SF has a chance to use dragoons next episode (43). I also have come to a conclusion that Shinn will die, as will either Athuran or Kira....it is a given that Rey will bite the dust, perhaps all four bite the dust....hmmmm

[Splash!]

if anyone needs to die, please make it cagalli!!!!! I dont know why but i think she is utterly useless. And Athrun shouldnt have a problem finding another girl anyways. Seriously, i also think that handing Akatsuki over to Cagalli was one of the biggest wastes ever!!!

[Psyke]

Originally posted by: splash
if anyone needs to die, please make it cagalli!!!!! I dont know why but i think she is utterly useless. And Athrun shouldnt have a problem finding another girl anyways. Seriously, i also think that handing Akatsuki over to Cagalli was one of the biggest wastes ever!!!

I wouldn't call it a waste. It was one of the pivotal moments of Cagali's story, and she actually did something with it. She reorganised the other wise collapsing ORB defence, and although she isn't a good pilot I was really glad she confronted Shin. Akatsuki was build FOR Cagalli.....

[telemari]

Originally posted by: TeknoXI
Okay, reason why Freedom can't keep up? Because it wasn't designed to do such a thing. I can't remember where I read it, but I believe it was stated that SF was a Long Range/Interceptor type fighter.

Yeah. There is justice out there waiting for shinn.

[Barumonk]

Just a few things from my perspective. Before Shinn went SEED, Kira had the upperhand with what I consider to be his newtype abilities, not necessarily pure pilot skill. Part of spacial awareness is knowing exactly where something like a beam is located around you, and where its heading. It would allow Kira to do such a thing as blocking a beam with another beam, or deflecting a shot with his beam saber. After Kira went SEED, he completely 1up-ed Shinn. Shinn even said that if Kira used his chest cannon instead of the rail guns then the fight would already be over, Shinn would most likely be dead and Destiny would definatly not be standing there in one piece. After Shinn went SEED and pulled out the Wings of Light at the same time, he gained the upperhand and simply outclassed SFreedom in speed. I think if it weren't for Kira's skill, SEED, and a bit of newtype abilities, that he wouldn't have kept up at all since as was mentioned before, Shinn was flying all over the place much faster than Kira could comfortably handle.

Overall, if the fight had continued then the only place I could see it going is Kira's defeat or Kira using his newtype abilities more which, as far as the CE AU is concerned, would only put them on even ground.. atleast on Earth. This is void if SFreedom can use its DRAGOONs inside the atmosphere. I think in space, this whole speed issue will be settled since Kira's newtype abilities will allow him to know where Shinn is at all times and then he can just use SEED and the DRAGOONs to figure out where he is most likely to move and then counter by firing at each angle in an attempt to shut down Shinn's insane speed.

A few notes for potential arguments: The newtype ability isn't simply 'activated' such as SEED, its active all the time at various levels. The Shining Finger attack was probably deemed to be way too risky, considering Shinn had no other melee weapons and Kira still had his beam sabers. Even with Destiny's speed, closing in to point blank range on SFreedom/Kira wouldn't be easy, and if he missed or didn't do any heavy damage then he could probably just bend over and kiss his own ass goodbye. I imagine the outcome would be something similar to Saviour vs Freedom.

[Nyro]

Upcoming spoilers for GSD from Gunota Headlines;

Phase-43, "Voice Of Counter" - Piloting the Justice, a still-weakened Athrun joins the battle alongside Kira, who is in a tough fight against the team of Destiny & Legend!

Phase-44, "Two Lacuses" - Finally, the real Lacus shows herself to the people. Their spirits are shaken by the appearance of two Lacuses.

Phase-45, "The Overture Of Revolution" - Djibril activates his final weapon! The Minerva's crew fights to save PLANT from annihilation!!

Phase-46, "The Song Of Truth" - With The Earth Alliance forces crushed and the world firmly in his grasp, Chairman Dullindal at last makes his move to stop the Archangel!?

[SFreedomZGMFx20a]

Originally posted by: darkshadow

Originally posted by: zn|¹
Darkshadow - I don't know what your watching but Destiny wasn't "way too fast for Strike Freedom". Throughout that little number Freedom and Destiny were going at about an equal speed. You could say something like OMFG STRIKE FREEDOM WAS SO FAST HE DODGED DESTINYS LASER SHOT!!! It's really not a big deal. The one major thing is Destiny can barely keep up on Earth; meaning if they go to space, it's gonna be unholy rape when Freedom uses its DRAGOONS.

i dont knwo what the fuck you watched, watch that scene again in slomo, or in something like virtual dub mod, it clearly shows dsetiny being way to fast for freedom, why?
1. freedom tries to rush, only to find air waiting for him
2. turns around whill destiny is already behind him
3. tries to shoot but doesnt even get the chance and must defend seeing how destiny shoots first
4. destiny flies away again before kira can even pull down its defence ( hence the irritated expression on his face)
5. and the most important point, destiny did all those moves in about 3 seconds

freedom could NOT keep up, fact!

I dont know what u watched @darkshadow, because when i read ur post i eatched once again Phase 42, in slow motion (50% speed), i checked every scene where Destiny and SFreedom were fighting and clearly they have an equal speed, the only difference is that Kira is more skilled, thats why Shinn cant defeat him alone, he needs his buddy help. that is a fact!, one more thing Shin i so stupid that attacks, attacks, attacks and his energy is almost depleted (I call Shinn's fighting style "BEAST", because he acts on impulse and instinct, he stills doesnt use his brain), that is something that can get him killed, he is lucky that Kira doesnt want him dead.

[SFreedomZGMFx20a]

Originally posted by: alex_milliardo_zilch
very sorry for double posting!!! my pc here at the workplace is not working so well, i thought i didn't post, so i repost it. sorry.

DOuble posting? U TRIPLE POSTED!!!!!!!!!! NExt time us the EDIT buttom.

EDIT: OK THAT DOES IT, Is there any way to delete a post? Because i double posted again, as u can see.

Every time i have double posted has been because i was reading some past post and when i realize im doing the second consecutive post, with 3 or 5 minutes of difference, i already pressed the REPLY TO TOPIC BUTTOM, and it looks like it takes only 1 second to send the message because i have tried to cancel and even when the QUOTE window stops the proccess, the message has already been sent.

MY APOLOGIES, AGAIN.