Possible proof about the leader of Akatsuki

[Jman]

Originally posted by: Hatake Kakashi
Other than that I am confident in my theory.

Jiraiya - I made two theories. One, Kakashi is the leader of Akatsuki, two Obito is the leader. They are hardly random. My theory was based on the eyes of the leader at the end. Who do we know that has the Sharingan besides Itachi and Sasuke? Kakashi and Obito.

They're not random. Now if I said, "Ibiki is the leader of Akatsuki.." that would be random.

I'm sure I'm not the only one to think that you're crazy for your "Kakashi is the leader of Akatsuki" theory. And in case you have forgotten what you said or people don't remember, allow me to cut&paste for ya. Now you said

Originally posted by: Hatake Kakashi
The last guy on the page of 238 has Sharingan eyes...maybe Kakashi can secretly do two eyes, but just hasn't shown it yet. He's the leader of Akatsuki and his whole fight with Kisame and Itachi was just a set up to draw out Jiraiya and Naruto.

I dunno it's a long shot.

First off: I don't see why or how it would be possible for Kakashi to 'secretly' do two eyes. From my interpretation of your comment it seems as though you think that he can do the mangekyo sharingan right? Correct me if I'm wrong but doesn't one have to be an "Uchiha" in order to have this ability? And why is his exposed eye always appear to be black...
Secondly: Itachi>Kakashi. He's the strongest char introduced so far. How can you even entertain the thought that Kakashi would stage a fight with Itachi and Kisame considering that he did get hurt in that match and is weaker than Itachi. Putting his life at risk was a hell of a plan, he certainly had me fooled.../sarcasm


and regarding Obito, we have seen Kakashi going to the memorial which is for fallen ninja. He has also mentioned that those close to him were dead. One is to assume that both Obito and Rin are dead and that Kakashi visits the memorial to pay respects to them.
On the subject of the memorial you said and I quote,

"Kakashi visits the memorial...not his grave.

Even so, it is just intentional misdirection by Kishimoto."

I envy you. I wish I had a job working on Kishimoto's production team. Perhaps you can get his autograph on a wallscroll for me some day. Seriously though, how can you conclude that the memorial/grave/whatever is 'just intentional misdirection by Kishimoto'?

C'mon. To me, the fact that you even acknowledged that he goes to a memorial implies that Obito is dead.






...that aside, I'd be willing to hear your theory on the origins of Gamabunta and Shukaku.

[Hatake Kakashi]

Look, if Obito dies on the page in front of Kakashi, I'm willing to eat my words. I've said that before. However, if we don't see his body destroyed, then my bet is he's alive.

If he's alive and the leader of Akatsuki, then you can all eat it.

Especially the smart asses with the high post counts and moderators.

[Jman]

Originally posted by: Hatake Kakashi
Look, if Obito dies on the page in front of Kakashi, I'm willing to eat my words. I've said that before. However, if we don't see his body destroyed, then my bet is he's alive.

If he's alive and the leader of Akatsuki, then you can all eat it.

Especially the smart asses with the high post counts and moderators.

So no thoughts on Kakashi's fight that was 'set up' huh?

That's what I thought...STFU.

EDIT- Dumbass...HOLD DAT!

[Mut]

what does being moderators have anything to do with this? even if i just came to the boards and was a complete noob, i would've still called such theories as stupid.

[Knives122]

Well seeing how opinion can go either way, Im willing to give H.K. the benefit of the doubt

it doesnt matter what things have happened in this manga, a theory is still a thoery after all(no matter how absurd), if we dont see Obito's body buried, fall to the ground after a mortal wound, burned, or blown up, then the theory can be considered valid

I dont care about the Kakashi thing btw

[Hatake Kakashi]

"animemaster" -

It could have been a setup to bring out Naruto. If Kakashi was the leader, he would have been planted in Konoha for a long time. It would make more sense to have his two agents -Kisame and Itachi show up to take Naruto instead of him just taking him all of a sudden.

However, he could have taken Naruto since he was little, so that wouldn't work you're right. I was past that theory anyway and no longer hold it up. So that proves how much of an asshole you are for only using that as your come back. Kiss my ass. I never said anything about Kakashi being able to do the Man. Sharingan, so again kiss my ass.

Mutt- Moderators get to be smart asses and arrogant jerks without having to worry about the consequences. Not saying anyone specifically.

[Hatake Kakashi]

From the 239 topic

Originally posted by: animemaster

Originally posted by: Hatake Kakashi
Yeah especially when you can just delete it.

Obito is my primary suspect for the Akatsuki leader though now. I think a person of that status..we have to have already seen or heard about.

Pfft..what's next, you gonna tell us that Akamaru's a chuunin?

seriously stop with the obito = akatsuki leader posts. First you said
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Originally posted by: Hatake Kakashi
The last guy on the page of 238 has Sharingan eyes...maybe Kakashi can secretly do two eyes, but just hasn't shown it yet. He's the leader of Akatsuki and his whole fight with Kisame and Itachi was just a set up to draw out Jiraiya and Naruto.

I dunno it's a long shot.
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now u change ur theory using obito.

Since we know for sure now that Obito is an Uchiha. That's why I changed it to him. It didn't fit well for Kakashi, it fits perfectly for Obito.

Oh and I just wanted to say something about xtort being banned...if he did indeed get owned, then why did they edit out his post?

I am far from being 0-10 btw. I predicted that Sasuke would get wings as his final form with the Heaven Seal, and a few other things too. I'm not like Mutt who has predicted "pretty much everything" coughbullshitcough.

[Mut]

Originally posted by: Hatake Kakashi
Mutt- Moderators get to be smart asses and arrogant jerks without having to worry about the consequences. Not saying anyone specifically.

wrong. i was being a smartass and an arrogant jerk who didn't worry about the consequences even before i was a mod.

Originally posted by: Hatake Kakashi
Oh and I just wanted to say something about xtort being banned...if he did indeed get owned, then why did they edit out his post?

that's not something you should be concerned with.

I am far from being 0-10 btw. I predicted that Sasuke would get wings as his final form with the Heaven Seal, and a few other things too. I'm not like Mutt who has predicted "pretty much everything" coughbullshitcough.

don't be jealous cuz i use common sense.

and don't double post.

[Hatake Kakashi]

Explain the big gap on the left in the eyes (and perhaps the big one covered by the eye lid) then?

Come one let's hear it? Artistic errors, nonsense. They wouldn't have gone to such lenghts to zoom in on the eye and have that big gap if they didn't mean to do it. If you guys can't see it at this point that it's the Sharingan, then I won't bother trying to explain it anymore.

Obito is that guy, if it isn't Obito it's another Uchicha.

As I have said before, I know that it is a greater possibility that Obito will give his eye to Kakashi, especially with all of that stuff about them giving him a gift during the first chapter.

Although I am thinking Kishimoto might be throwing a curve ball here. After all, if a bunch of people in another country figured out where he got his eye so far ahead of time, how surprising would that be? Why are we having this arc then?

[Ryllharu]

Originally posted by: Hatake Kakashi
Explain the big gap on the left in the eyes (and perhaps the big one covered by the eye lid) then?

Come one let's hear it? Artistic errors, nonsense. They wouldn't have gone to such lenghts to zoom in on the eye and have that big gap if they didn't mean to do it. If you guys can't see it at this point that it's the Sharingan, then I won't bother trying to explain it anymore.

It's not "Artistic Errors" its called perspective to provide a visual effect on the eye. The eye would not appear as round without it. And as previously stated, Kurenai's eyes look a lot like that too. It in no way indicates that its a sharingan dot. You've honestly NEVER seen a pupil drawn in anime with any holes or breaks in the iris? I'm not sure how we can get it into your head that this "definitive proof" you've provided is just you looking too deep into a drawing that has no signifigance to the sharingan in any way.

Obito is that guy, if it isn't Obito it's another Uchicha.

There's three Uchihas, Two of whom are accounted for, and the third is most likely dead. IT'S A VISUAL EFFECT ON THE IRIS TO ADD DEPTH AND SHAPE, It is not some foreshadowing plot by kishimoto to show anyone we've seen before.

off topic:

Originally posted by: Mut@t@
wrong. i was being a smartass and an arrogant jerk who didn't worry about the consequences even before i was a mod.

True. And at least you still maintain that today. If only some members had the forethought to think an idea the whole way through before creating a three page rant about shading.

[kyubisrage]

A few comments, We dont know if obito gave kakashi his left eye or his right. It is just assumed he gave kakashi his left eye. Also kakashi being the leader is really stupid. Kakashi wouldnt backstab konoha. Also kakashi played out the fight with itachi? I think not, kakashi wouldnt act it out to the verge of death. Also I dont agree or disagree with the obito theory. I think obito might be it because he might of found out the uchiha secret. But other than that i dont know why he would turn evil. Im kinda leaning on obito not being the leader or apart of it

[kaigan]

H.K, your theory on kakashi as the leader is impossible. If you think about it, the main reason that the akatsuki want naruto is for the kybui and they don't give a damn about konoha (we know this for a fact). wouldn't it be wise if he just kidnap naruto when they were on their first mission and get it over with? if kishimoto made kakashi as the leader of the akatsuki, that would be the worst decision he could've done and will loose lots of naruto fan.

As for the Obito as the leader, that's a another story. The possibilities are out there and as of now, it's really hard to tell if kakshi got the eye from him or not. If kakashi did, then Obito can't be the leader cause the guy that is hanging up side down (assuming to be the leader) has 2 eyes and to me, they don't look like the sharingan at all. but the pic is probably drawn like for a reason. So your Obito theory still got a chance but not the kakashi.

[basey44]

i know this may sound like a dumb question but is there a leader, or is it everyone acting together sort of like a democrasy as they all have a common goal, power. its just i dont recall anyone saying anything abouyt a leader

but if there is a leader it will definately be someone important the konoha characters, but i a seriously doubt it could be obito

[kaigan]

i wouldn't say leader, but probably the person that formed the akatsuki. itachi probably wouldn't like to be under someone's order.

[chidori24]

since no one is taking Hatake Kakashi's side.....i'll be on his team [img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-cool.gif[/img]. although his theory is a long shot, i wouldn't count it out. obito being a member or even the leader of the akatsuki would be pretty interesting. since obito did say that he'll "completely crush what the idea of a shinobi is", maybe he really meant it. how else would itachi find out how to get the MS? it has to be from a "bad guy" who knows the secrets of the clan. i dont know about kakashi being the leader though [img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-confused.gif[/img] cuz that would suck. also i guess this gaiden would make more sense if obito becomes the guy from the last page of chapter 238 because not only would kakashi's past be revealed, it would reveal who they are up against now. i doubt the theory but i wont rule it out.

[kaigan]

it's not about being on who's side, it's about seeing the fact. his theory about kakashi is just a little the edge and probably ruin naruto ^^!

[Mut]

Originally posted by: chidori24
how else would itachi find out how to get the MS? it has to be from a "bad guy" who knows the secrets of the clan.

oh yeah, there is NO OTHER POSSIBILITY.

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why do people think obito even knew about mangekyou sharingan? this is going beyond specualtion. speculation is when you derive theories from suggested hints. this is just making up random shit that hasn't even been brought up in any way.

[Zhan]

I'm going for the theory that the akatsuki dude on the last page is the third sharingan user cos it does kinda look like sharingan..... but def NOT obito or kakashi..mm..and does anyone feel kakashi will fight itachi again? i dunno just a feeling.....

[basey44]

i would say itachi is the only sharingan user in akatsuki

[kAi]

i would have to agree, you can't make everyone from konoha, it's just not good.

Orochimaru and Itachi, leave that as the konoha nins, put some other villages in, i want to see more legendary style ninjas that are not from konoha