Naruto 108 Discussion

[ShinobiNeko]

Orochimaru isn't twisted? I'm pretty sure he is, taking over people's bodies and what not. Just looking at him can tell that. And where do you come up with Itachi got a cursed seal from Orochimaru? I seriously doubt that, his power comes from himself , and he is an Uchiha who has mastered Sharingan, plus doubt someone like Oro, who is afraid of Itachi, could get a chance to put a seal on him. And I don't know if I would exactly say Itachi is picking on the weak from what we have seen, especially if you are talking about the fights we have seen with Itachi , because the one when he faught Sasuke, well, Sasuke is the one who provoked that. Not like Itachi went up to Sasuke and started beating him up and picking on him like a bully...Sasuke found Itachi and instigated the fight.

[Board of Command]

Oro's intentions are very rational from HIS standpoint. I know he's supposed to be the bad guy in the series, but think about it from his standpoint.

His goal is to master every technique in the world, and in order to do so he must live for a very very long time. On top of that, he also needs a strong, durable body (there must be something special about the female body he's in).

Konoha kicked him out, so now he wants revenge. You all think Oro's twisted and evil, but really he has a dream like everyone else, and he'll stop at nothing to reach his goal regardless of the damages he causes. He's a lot like Magneto in Xmen. Magneto isn't really an insane murderer, he has a goal and will do whatever it takes to get there.

Nonetheless, Oro is still the bad guy in the series.

[Terracosmo]

Yes, and as well all know having a dream redeems any kind of label you might have of being twisted.

Orochimaru is just a normal guy with visions. Yeah.

[Rek]

::cough::hitler::cough::


anyways...i wonder how sasuke is gonna know where to look for orochimaru...

[SeifeR]

im guessing the 4 sound ninja will offer him a proposal then escort him to Oro.

[Stoopider]

I think Sasuke's going to get Owned Big Time. Unless Naruto pops out and save his life again. Fueling the flames of rivalry.

[kAi]

if naruto saved him. man would that make sasuke go even quicker to orochimaru. he wants to be better than naruto and naruto saving him would send him over the edge.

[Cal_kashi]

109 discussion?

[oniorochi]

Originally posted by: miaka
uh... dude.. itachi doesn't need a seal like that.. he was and is already very very strong.. and everyone around him kinda has been afraid of him.. i mean even oro is afraid of him .. uh.. and oro is twisted.. killing his sensei who cared about him... and etc..

Originally posted by: ShinobiNeko
Orochimaru isn't twisted? I'm pretty sure he is, taking over people's bodies and what not. Just looking at him can tell that. And where do you come up with Itachi got a cursed seal from Orochimaru? I seriously doubt that, his power comes from himself , and he is an Uchiha who has mastered Sharingan, plus doubt someone like Oro, who is afraid of Itachi, could get a chance to put a seal on him. And I don't know if I would exactly say Itachi is picking on the weak from what we have seen, especially if you are talking about the fights we have seen with Itachi , because the one when he faught Sasuke, well, Sasuke is the one who provoked that. Not like Itachi went up to Sasuke and started beating him up and picking on him like a bully...Sasuke found Itachi and instigated the fight.

Oh, jfc, some people can't think outside their own little box.

If you guys actually followed this amazing series you would know that Orochimaru wants to know all jutsus; and as BOARD_of_command points out; he needs to live for a very very long time, thus needs to take over other bodies. My argument was that he isn't a really bad guy and probably wouldn't just take a persons body but that they willfully would give them to him in exchange for something else, like revenge (SPOILER from ep 109: this was confirmed in ep 109, yeah, I rule).

Further, we know that Orochimaru have done experiments on his own people from Konoha in order to understand jutsus, my second argument was that Itachi is just one of Orochimarus experiments, and that Itachi was probably the first to recieve the cursed seal (or another of his jutsus, possibly as part of an experiment, probably before it was perfected or Itachi refused to give him his body). This would make perfect sense, because in order to get revenge you often need to do extreme things to people who should not be involved, Itachi did extreme his clan, but as he had really recieved nothing (needed no revenge on his clan) Orochimaru couldn't get his body as trade. Itachi is a meat puppet.

Actually, I think Itachi is the bad guy of the series, and a complete wuz, and it's because of Orochimarus probable experiments he is bad and so strong. I stated that he picks on the weak because he wouldn't fight Jiraya, because it would be an even and fair fight, that's really a wuz for ya.

The thing I'm looking forward to most in this series is to know of Orochimaru's past and his reasons, because when he fought the third he said that he felt pain and sadness but also joy when hurting his sensei. He probably thinks that a student should go beyond his teacher, and to do that he needed to defeat this teacher, revenge had nothing to do with it.

Yes, to destroy Konoha is a goal of Orochimaru, but it's probably because people treated him like shit when he was young, people thought of him as a monster, just like they did with Naruto (Stated by Morino Ibiki during the invasion).

EDIT: Improved paragraph formating

[wirm]

I agree that Oro's intentions are easy to rationalise from his point of view. As for Itachi, we really don't know enough about him or his motivations to see whether he is a "real" bad guy or not. For all we know, he could just be trying to make Sasuke stronger.

Also, why the hell does Orochimaru look like a man again? Shouldn't he look like a girl right now? Why would he go to the trouble to change into a man when he doesn't have the arms to use henge?

[oniorochi]

I think Orochimaru looks like a man, and his old self, for the same reason that Tsunade looks young; vanity.

True, we don't know about Itachi's motives, but being strong and miserable is shit compared to be weak and happy. I'm sticking with my theory, it's make much more sense at this point, though when new data appears I will reevaluate.

[Mut]

oniorochi, your 'theories' about itachi wouldn't be so nonsensical if they had any sort of support that wasn't made up of nothing but bias opinions.

[oniorochi]

Yes, they are bias opinions, that's all we can have at this point as we know very little of Itachi other than that he kills weak people and runs from equally strong oponents.
There is no need to state that I'm expressing my opinion, and that you are a Itachi fan-boi doesn't change that.
Itachi has shown no real strength; strength comes from the mind, and he has been obviously weak in that apartment so far in the series; just like his little brother.

And really, as a Itachi fan-boi you're just expressing your bias opinion too, as you have not stated anything to prove me otherwise.

[jing]

Originally posted by: oniorochi
Yes, they are bias opinions, that's all we can have at this point as we know very little of Itachi other than that he kills weak people and runs from equally strong oponents.
There is no need to state that I'm expressing my opinion, and that you are a Itachi fan-boi doesn't change that.
Itachi has shown no real strength; strength comes from the mind, and he has been obviously weak in that apartment so far in the series; just like his little brother.

And really, as a Itachi fan-boi you're just expressing your bias opinion too, as you have not stated anything to prove me otherwise.

..... that is YOUR definition of strength....

[oniorochi]

Then, what is you opinion on strength?

Let's all use axiomatic proofs in all our post! Yey!

[Mut]

Originally posted by: oniorochi
Itachi has shown no real strength; strength comes from the mind, and he has been obviously weak in that apartment so far in the series; just like his little brother.

lol, have you been skipping the parts with itachi in them? he's shown the pretty much the strongest jutsu we've seen and all it takes is a look. the fact that orochimaru admits that itachi is stronger than he is should be an obvious indication that itachi isn't a wuss... would orochimaru be afraid of a wuss? no.

and btw, i didn't bother stating anything to prove you otherwise cuz i'm sick and tired of proving everyone wrong and they're all to stubborn to realize that. you know, it got to me after over a year of it.

[oniorochi]

Yes, I agree that his jutsus are powerful, but that doesn't make him really strong in my book.

I really agree with the 3rd and Naruto on what real strength is, it's how you use your abilites which makes you strong.

I think Orochimaru only considers himself weaker that Itachi because of sharingan, since Orochimaru is mainly a ninjuitsu user he is at a disadvantage against Itachi; I would however not consider him weaker in the scale of the destruction he can cause, it's just that against sharingan his talent is hampered.

EDIT: spelling

[KaneInferno]

I think when sasuke reaches puberty, he's goin to knock up every girl in the village. then move to the next village...