Chuunin matches

[kooshi]

Originally posted by: wirm
Just because it took a while to catch them doesn't mean that he couldn't draw on his speed. There are any number of reasons that would account for the delay.

Traps set to stop him and taking time to track them as opposed to running all out are only 2 possibilities.

It is also possible that he was conserving stamina for the inevitable fight against 3 dangerous enemies. Sasuke is an intelligent ninja, and doesn't waste his resources. Why bother burning off stamina in a chase when you know you're bound to catch up anyway?

Naruto, Shika, and Sakura were able to keep pace because they had a tracker with them. It is also debatable whether or not they actually "kept pace". Considering the head start that the sand ninjas and Sasuke had, and the time it took before the cavalry arrived, we can't draw any accurate conclusion about whether or not the trackers managed to keep up.

What we do know is that Shino is freakin' fast [img][/img]

The only reason why Shino caught up with Sasuke quickly was because he left the arena much sooner than Naruto's squad, not to mention the fact that he didn't have his fight, making him more "fresh" for tracking and fighting.
Also on the whole Sasuke-chasing-Gaara thing, I agree how Sasuke lost some stamina and chakra in the arena fight. From that, I think that's why he didn't use his high speed to try to catch up. Also, he's probably used to the pace as if he was going with Naruto and Sakura since they've been training together for a while now. But then again, I could be wrong.

[wirm]

I haven't seen ep 68 in a while, but didn't Shino leave AFTER Naruto, Sakura, and Shika left?

My memory's a bit hazy, but even if he left before they did, it wasn't that long before and he got there much sooner.

[Shippou-sama]

IIRC, Shino left immediately after Naruto, but he was able to take a direct path, and didn't have to worry about stopping the 8 chasing ninja.

As for the speed issue, I think he just didn't have it. The reason I say this is 1) Yes he could be saving it up for when he catches up . . . but then why didn't he even TRY to use it? 2) Why would he be used to a pace of 2 people he hasn't seen in just over a month? 0.o

[kooshi]

Originally posted by: Shippou-sama
IIRC, Shino left immediately after Naruto, but he was able to take a direct path, and didn't have to worry about stopping the 8 chasing ninja.

As for the speed issue, I think he just didn't have it. The reason I say this is 1) Yes he could be saving it up for when he catches up . . . but then why didn't he even TRY to use it? 2) Why would he be used to a pace of 2 people he hasn't seen in just over a month? 0.o

Hmmm, guess that 8 Sound ninja squad would have slowed down Naruto's squad quite a bit. Alright, I guess that's a good enough reason.
With the whole speed thing compared to Sasuke's team, I was just thinking out loud of possible ideas. Heh, I don't blame ya for saying that though. Well, I can only imagine that he was a little tired, considering how Sasuke used a lot of stamina for the high-speed, used a massive amount of chakra for Chidori, and jumping that freaking high wall of the arena with one jump (LOL).

[wirm]

Let's not get into a debate again, but just in response to your 2 points.

We don't know if Sasuke was trying to use the speed or not. We do know that unlike Naruto or Shino, he had no cheap way of tracking the sand nins (no pug or bug), and had to do it by sight. Moving too fast while tracking is a sure-fire way of losing the trail.

As for being used to the pace of his partners, I'm guessing that's not it.

[kooshi]

Originally posted by: wirm
Let's not get into a debate again, but just in response to your 2 points.

We don't know if Sasuke was trying to use the speed or not. We do know that unlike Naruto or Shino, he had no cheap way of tracking the sand nins (no pug or bug), and had to do it by sight. Moving too fast while tracking is a sure-fire way of losing the trail.

As for being used to the pace of his partners, I'm guessing that's not it.

Heh, same here, I don't want any debate. I was just expressing any possible ideas that first came to my head, hehe.
I do like your point about Sasuke's chasing abilities better than mine, so I'll accept that.
The pace of the partners, well, like I said, I was thinking out loud, so chances were not on my side, lol. Besides, I think I admitted that in my last post.

[drcitan]

The whole stadium would have reduced to rumble ending with a D.K.O between naruto and gaara.

[Shippou-sama]

Except Sasuke beat Gaara already. He was injured and could barely stand, which means the round would have been over. =\

[Aramis]

Sasuke can kill Naruto, just aim a chidori in the heart.
For him to be able to do that though...his mind will have to be taken over by the cursed seal.
The sharingan won't be deceived by clones...and with his speed he can definately hit.

[kooshi]

Originally posted by: Aramis
Sasuke can kill Naruto, just aim a chidori in the heart.
For him to be able to do that though...his mind will have to be taken over by the cursed seal.
The sharingan won't be deceived by clones...and with his speed he can definately hit.

We don't know if the Sharingan can detect the difference between shadow replications and the user. It is definite that the Byakugan cannon differentiate, but for the Sharingan, it's unknown. That is, unless I missed something in the anime, which I doubt. If so, say so here.

[Shippou-sama]

I agree with Kooshi's statement about the Sharingan. Also, at that point in the anime (before the Naruto/Gaara fight), Sasuke would have no reason to even try to kill Naruto.

[Shi_No_Shikaku]

[quote]
Originally posted by: Kaka
Naruto vs Neji - Naruto (it happened and Naruto won)
Gaara vs Sasuke - Sasuke (Sasuke had him beat with the Chidori)
Kankorou vs Shin - Shin (defeats him Later on)
Temari vs Shikamaru - Temari (cos Shikamaru gives up)

Naruto vs Sasuke - Naruto (if u can beat Neji, u can beat sasuke)
Shin vs Temari - Shin (those damn bugs)

Shin vs Naruto - Naruto (i say Naruto but Shin seems prety good from what we have seen)


What do u think would of happened, give your opinion and whyQ]

Ok really I'm I the only one that saw He put SHIN 6 time IT'S SHINO with the O O O O O O O

[Shippou-sama]

Maybe his keyboard doesn't register the "O" key directly after the "N" key? Or he just didn't know. But yeah, I noticed, I just didn't care. =P

[CUE]

Originally posted by: kooshi

Originally posted by: Aramis
Sasuke can kill Naruto, just aim a chidori in the heart.
For him to be able to do that though...his mind will have to be taken over by the cursed seal.
The sharingan won't be deceived by clones...and with his speed he can definately hit.

We don't know if the Sharingan can detect the difference between shadow replications and the user. It is definite that the Byakugan cannon differentiate, but for the Sharingan, it's unknown. That is, unless I missed something in the anime, which I doubt. If so, say so here.

I don't think the Sharingan can.

I mean... it can't tell the difference between water-clones, as was shown in the kakashi fight. And Itachi couldn't tell Kakashi's shadow clones apart. So I doubt Sasuke's could.

[KaneInferno]

You know i think the only reason shino didn't become a chounin is because he wasn't able to fight in front of all the fuedal lords and judges. I think he's probably good enough to be one but got jipped.

[DarthEnderX]

I concur. Shino should be a Chuunin, because Kiba's team needs rational leadership. And Shino is just the man for the job.

Seriously though, I think Sasuke beat Gaara, that much we've pretty much seen. Sure Gaara was stronger overall, but he was caught off guard and already out during the match.

We already know Shino would have drawn against Kankuro. Even if you consider Shino the "winner" by a few seconds, he's too poisoned to fight again so he would have to forfeit the next round. So Temari would have advanced unopposed.

Sasuke vs. Naruto, well, at the time, I think Naruto would have won via giant frog. Sasuke was completely unprepared for that. And the Mass Kage Bunshin.

Final round, Naruto vs. Temari, I think this is just a no-contest.

So, winner: Naruto.

[Shippou-sama]

Naruto can't call the giant frog whenever he wants. We've repeatedly seen that he has to be in a massively grave situation for it to work. Also, I highly doubt he would even try to use it against Sasuke, since he wants to prove that he's better than Sasuke by his own strength, not Kyubi's (although he'd probably use that), and not Gamabunta's.

And once again, there are two problems with the assumption of Shino vs. Kankuro = draw. 1) Different terrain. 2) Shino had already won by forfeit. We're assuming that the war happens after the tournament, not that the war never happened. If we assume there would be no war, then the sand team would have gone the year before, the sound wouldn't be there at all, and we'd have no way of guessing who would place in the top 10, much less who would win the tournament.

[DarthEnderX]

Well considering you didn't start this thread Ship you don't really get to make up the rules as you go along.

The spirit of the thread is obviously to guess who would have won assuming everyone who made it to the tournament was participating, and everyone was trying to win.

Otherwise, if you start taking outside things into consideration, you just end up with the same result of what actually DID happen.

Which defeats the entire purpose of the discussion.

[Shippou-sama]

*sigh*

I had a rant here, but decided to alter it to avoid a further conflict. All I did was note that the official match, which is what we're looking at (hence the title "Chuunin matches" and not "character duels"), between Shino and Kankuro never happened, it was a forfeit.