Does he actually walk funny?
Does he actually walk funny?
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I'm sure I'll be in the minority and cause a kerfuffle, but I've never been much of a fan of Jackie Chan. I think he fills this Charlie Chan goofball Chinaman stereotype that people have of Asians.
And basically every movie he's been in, it's Jackie Chan as the main character, not whatever character he's playing. I know not all actors can be Christian Bale, but who'd ever thought Malcolm's dad could be a criminal mastermind too?
“For God will not permit that we shall know what is to come... those who by some sorcery or by some dream might come to pierce the veil that lies so darkly over all that is before them may serve by just that vision to cause that God should wrench the world from its heading and set it upon another course altogether and then where stands the sorcerer? Where the dreamer and his dream?”
That is pretty much the appeal of Jackie Chan for most people though. You don't watch a Jackie Chan movie to see what character he is playing you watch a Jackie Chan movie to see Jackie Chan. Not that many people can do that and be successful but there are some like Jackie, Jet Li, Chuck Norris, Seagal, Van Damme. Who made a career out of playing a single role.
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Why do you assume that it'll cause a fuss? You are free to like or dislike whoever you want.Originally Posted by Animeniax
Your comment though only applies mostly to his western movies. Jackie has portrayed many varying roles in his acting career. If you want to see some good examples, go find his early works before he became famous in the west. There's also some recent films like 1911 and the Myth where he portrays more serious roles.
He also has a very prominent music career and is widely respected in Asia as a director. In fact some of his best films are the ones he personally directed. He doesn't just act like a goofball. It just so happens that the films where he acts like a goofball are much more popular in the west and he just decides to cash in on that, so pretty much every non-chinese movie he's been in just feature him as such.
Pretty much every other topic I've had an opinion on has caused pages long arguments and name-calling, so I figured this would do it too.
But that's fine to hear Jackie Chan does more serious roles and directs. I know he's hugely popular and very successful in China/HK. It's just that living in the U.S. where his goofball monkey-boy routine is popular and his best known works, people associate that kind of thing with broader groups, namely Asians, and that affects me personally.
“For God will not permit that we shall know what is to come... those who by some sorcery or by some dream might come to pierce the veil that lies so darkly over all that is before them may serve by just that vision to cause that God should wrench the world from its heading and set it upon another course altogether and then where stands the sorcerer? Where the dreamer and his dream?”
It's more like Jackie Chan became popular in America because his best known works happens to fit he goofball monkey-boy routine and not the other way around .
Another example is the recent surging popularity of PSY Gangnam Style. It's to the point where the song is getting played on some of the top radio stations in Houston. If you ask any native Korean though, they'll tell you that PSY isn't really that huge over there and is way less popular than other groups like SNSD and so on. His video has a catchy tune with a chubby Asian dude doing stupid shit. It just so happens that fits with what is popular in America so he's popular now.
As far as group association goes, i'm surprised you're not used to it by now living in America. We're pretty damn racist in general and just likes to pretends that we're not by shoving it under political correctness.
I agree with Ani here. I liked Jackie's earlier films more than the Hollywood ones in general. Besides the difference in characters, language may play a bit part in that, since he's can actually speak Chinese correctly.
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Well his roles reinforce the stereotype and that's why I'm not ok with them. He got popular because he fit the stereotype that people have of Asians, including that we all know karate (this was more a stereotype from the 80s and 90s).
I grew up around mostly white folks and oblivious to most racial concerns. It was only as an adult that it became evident as a problem in my own life, so I'm just getting used to it now.
“For God will not permit that we shall know what is to come... those who by some sorcery or by some dream might come to pierce the veil that lies so darkly over all that is before them may serve by just that vision to cause that God should wrench the world from its heading and set it upon another course altogether and then where stands the sorcerer? Where the dreamer and his dream?”
Jackie does no more to reinforce any asian stereotype than Tom Cruise does for white people or Wesley Snipes or Floyd Mayweather for black people. Stupid people who believe in stereotypes always will, nothing can be done about that. You seem to dislike him because he is known to western audiences for playing roles that perpetuate a certain stereotype and that is ridiculous Ani. It's like saying black people shouldn't play Gangstas in movies because it perpetuates a stereotype when the end result is the same. You are letting other people dictate how you live your life because they expect you to behave a certain way. Whether you do as they expect you to or you do the exact opposite because you know what they expect of you, either way you lose.
The man destroyed his body making his movies and I would think you would be able to appreciate that.
That explains quite a bit about you.
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I disagree with you entirely, but this is the wrong thread for it. I think Jackie Chan is far more representative of a stereotype than Wesley Snipes or Tom Cruise or most other actors. It's not like I'm saying Jet Li fulfills an Asian stereotype. Most of his roles were serious and a positive stereotype of Asians. Jackie Chan has almost exclusively played a bumbling goofball in his films released in the US. Even in his recent commercials for V8 juice he's clamoring about like a monkey.
I appreciate when a guy like Christian Bale mutilates his body to more accurately portray his character. Jackie Chan doing his own stunts is laudable, but didn't do much to make me enjoy his movies any more than I did.
Now who's stereotyping?That explains quite a bit about you.
These were some of the most progressive and accepting white kids you'll ever meet. Race definitely wasn't a factor, but culture was.
“For God will not permit that we shall know what is to come... those who by some sorcery or by some dream might come to pierce the veil that lies so darkly over all that is before them may serve by just that vision to cause that God should wrench the world from its heading and set it upon another course altogether and then where stands the sorcerer? Where the dreamer and his dream?”
Yeah wrong thread but I'll just respond to this one post. You missed my point with the references. My point was exactly that Tom Cruise and Wesley Snipes do not represent their particular ethnicity at all. No one looks at them and thinks that every white guy is a crazy scientologist or that every black guy is going to go to jail for not paying taxes. Jackie Chan plays a role, that is it. Speaking of commercials, what about Chuck Norris' WoW commercials, or Mr T. That is Chan's character, it is what he is known for and it is what he has made a career doing.
Again my point was that you seem rather oblivious to the whole race issue and what sets people off which is the very reason Y says you're a racist but hey another thread another day.
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This is the funny pic thread, and I don't even remember the last funny pic posted after all that rambling (that was anything but funny). Get back to the topic, dudes.
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My post on reddit which had SIX... count em.... SIX upvotes.
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"I laughed really hard at first. For the first 10+ loops. Then I started to realize what a sick fuck I am and tried to repent by feeling enough empathy to stop my incessant chuckling.
Now I just feel like I ruined a perfectly good high."
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Finally you post something funny. That is absolute idiocy.
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