the fourth did not have the kyubi sealed in him. how would he have done that even if it did happen?!Originally posted by: Alu
Also, I think once the fourth had Kyubi sealed in him. It would make sense then for Kyubi to know the fourth.
the fourth did not have the kyubi sealed in him. how would he have done that even if it did happen?!Originally posted by: Alu
Also, I think once the fourth had Kyubi sealed in him. It would make sense then for Kyubi to know the fourth.
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ok, i can't give a completely clear answer to your question cuz only kishimoto is able to answer that, but my whole point on getting caught off guard still works. i don't think naruto is hurt real badly or anything, he just probably real surprised that sasuke whooped him so easily so he's probably stunned at that fact.
in the translations from that one guy before inane came out, kyubi said something along the lines of "kid, you should thank me.....and the 4th hokage who sealed me inside you"
while inane says "kid you should be thanking me....the one who sealed me, the 4th hokage....you're both alike"
i hate when that happens -_-
i dont get what people are complaining about though. I've never really seen an anime before that showed from the point of view of a character who could read the next move before it happens. Sure transforming can get redundant when used in alot of series, but here they took it a step beyond and showed sasuke's perspective, in how he can view what naruto's about to look like before he reaches that point, and leave it there until next week for you to see the full thing.
kishimoto is one artistically clever mofo
10/4/04 - 8/20/07
or maybe Kishimoto is trying to show that Sasuke's strength has increased soooo much (because of the rebirth) that his attacks could cause Naruto to be immobile, when this hasnt happened before. I dont think we've seen Naruto incapacitated from a taijutsu attack ever (unless maybe at the end of a battle). He always gets up (sometimes w/ the aid of Kyuubi chakra, but nothing so much as a transformation occuring) even if he's busted up. And all those times he got up, he wasnt even in Kyuubi mode; he was just normal Naruto getting up because of his willpower or drawing from Kyuubi's chakra (not the same as Kyuubi mode). In this case, he was transformed and still couldnt get up and it wasnt becuase he was stunned or surprised. This is why I was in disbelief that a simple kick could prevent Naruto from getting up. He was in too much pain cuz he was knocked the fug out? It's very difficult accepting that happening to Kyuubi mode Naruto. But since it did happen, I'm willing to say that Sasuke's current physical strength is the strongest we've seen in the manga thus far exceeded only by Tsunade or even that big sound four dude.
Excellent chapter, perfecto!
Something to consider is that chakra is used in Taijutsu. Remember way in the beggining of the story when we first met Lee, someone(i think sasuke) mentioned about weird chakra. And sasuke is now conserving chakra, so the third dot itself allows Sasuke to make all his blows "heavy"
This is because now he's not using any chakra until he goes for a blow, then uses a substantial amount of chakra for the blow.
the 3rd dot doesnt affect him physically......it just increases his awareness about chakra and movement
10/4/04 - 8/20/07
I liked it. And I am pleased that Kishimoto did not fulfill hotsumas dreams of a "dbz-unlike" anime.
- Sasuke and Naruto meeting
- Sasuke releases lvl 2 curse seal, 3rd dot and one chidori per arm
- Naruto summoning Gamabunta, freaking kyubi mode, kage-bunshins
-> one big clash (double page)
-> fight over.
It's the only way to possibly not use an "action / reaction" scheme for a fight. If you can't reduce a fight to a single clash, you will always find a power or technique that counters the previous attack and compare that to every other random anime that involves fighting.
Other than that, I liked 230.
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I think if Gamabunta can do Kage Bunshin, well.......... the world is fucked.
"Attack of the huge yakuza frogs with snake skin wallets from space" anyone?
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sigh. i just read 5 pages of naruto vs. DBZ. and im depressed that its gone on this long. anyways, hotsuma, at the end of the chapter i kinda felt like you. i thought the new kyuubi transformation was rather lame, but i decided to sit and think to myself and come up with an answer as to why kishimoto, being the genius that he is, decided this was the best path. this is what i came up with: 1) i think hes trying to make this fight last another full volume which should happen within the next 3 chapters, but that reasoning in and of itself is pretty lame ,so 2) naruto would be completely out classed otherwise. with sasukes speed and now the complete sharingan not even the kyuubi naruto we knew for so long was able to keep up. i think kishimoto wants to show us the level 2 sasuke, but if he is able to defeat naruto already, whats the point? personally i dont think that this new "level" of kyuubi is gonna mean jack shit, unless its like a million times faster. and 3) naruto eventually is going to have to face off against aktsuki members at a young age, and if sasuke, orochimaru, and kimimaro are making kyuubi naruto look nothing, what chances does he have against kisame, itachi and the rest (okay...so he will never have a chance against itachi...but thats what sasukes for). my theory for the next chapter is that naruto will gain the upper hand, but not to the level that he just beats the shit out of sasuke (we saw that like last week...i dont want to see someone completely own the other again like the past 2 weeks) and then sasuke will decide that its best for him to go level 2.
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okay, ive decided.
gamabunta with kagebunshin can own itachi.
why do people find it lame when naruto gets more kyubi power, but not when sasuke gets a 3rd pupil for his sharingan? i dont get it
you act like the sasuke thing is different because we all knew there was a 3rd level to obtain, but dont tell me you honestly expected the extent of kyubi's power to be that lame-assed kyubi naruto mode that couldnt lay a finger on oro and 100 of whom were beaten easily by kimimaro......
just think about it......if sasuke's supposed to be as strong as kimi and kimi beat 100 kyubi clones, then wouldnt it be lame if naruto could beat sasuke without having to go to the next level?
you guys act like the only thing cool in action series these days is when people fake people out with henged shurikens......
geez, if every fight was about strategy, then wouldnt you think THAT would get boring?
do yourself a favor and dont get involved in any series that has more than 50 episodes in it.........k thx
10/4/04 - 8/20/07
Originally posted by: AssertnFailure
do yourself a favor and dont get involved in any series that has more than 50 episodes in it.........k thx
And do yourself a favor by coming up with something more mature than "If you don't like a certain thing, don't watch it." choice.
Sasuke gaining an extra comma. Naruto gaining mountains of power. Makes no fucking difference. It's LAME.
Not to be a dick or anything, but the way you put it, it sounds like you're one of those people who just hate to admit that there are similarities between a good and bad series. Stop being such a fanboy man, damn.
Edit, oh and that henged shuriken was top tier. Nothing Naruto did was ever this cool. If I can see something as crazy as this from Naruto again, this anime would be perfect. But it doesn't, so too bad.
After some thinking, I have changed my mind. I realize now that Sasuke being able to hurt Naruto with his punches WAS EXACTLY what I was hoping and arguing for. You see, it is clear now that this fight is still based on skill and not raw power. If it was based on raw power, then Naruto would just stand there and take Sasuke's punches and say something lame like "Is that all you've got?"
It is actually more unlike DBZ (first time I have mentioned DBZ) because it would have been like Krillin trying to punch Cell, which had no effect.
I now like the fact that despite Naruto's transformation and power, he is still able to be hurt by Sasuke IF Sasuke is able to hit him. I look at it like this, if Naruto were to fight Orochimaru, Naruto would probably get beaten because Oro is just too powerful for him. But, if Naruto managed to land a punch on Oro, it would still hurt him. The trouble for Naruto would be having enough skill to actually land the punch.
I guess what I was hoping for before, was the 3rd doujutsu allowing Sasuke to only see and dodge and defend Naruto's attacks, but not actually allow him to stand and fight on par with Naruto. Then the transformation from the lvl 2 cursed seal would give him the strength required to make it an even fight where both had the same amount of raw power, and still had to use other jutsu's and strategies to win. This, IMO, would have eliminated the need for the 2nd transfomation by Naruto, which I'm still not a fan of.
I agree. The shadow shuriken was one of the best things that Naruto has ever done for several reasons. First off, with the kyuubi inside of him, we know that Naruto is powerful. But the characters in the series all consider Naruto an idiot, but the be able to devise a strategy so clever that it was successful against a jounin that gave Kakashi trouble, that IMO is very impressive. And secondly, that strategy combined the elements that were the basis for Naruto early in the series: Teamwork, never giving up, and not leaving a comrad behind.Edit, oh and that henged shuriken was top tier. Nothing Naruto did was ever this cool. If I can see something as crazy as this from Naruto again, this anime would be perfect. But it doesn't, so too bad.
I don't think Naruto being in Kyuubi mode makes his defense godly. It does a lot, but taking a shot unscathed was never one of them. If that were the case, healing wouldn't be necassary.
Also, I think Naruto would be able to hurt Orochimaru w/a punch even when he's not in Kyuubi mode. Nobody in Naruto has that kind of defense. That's one of the non-DBZ like element of the series, which does hella lot for it. (Making Naruto, Naruto for one)
maturity has nothing to do with it. It's plain and simple....long running series tend to involve stuff like this, and if you cant handle it, then its not our problem, its not kishimoto's problem, its nobody's but your own.Originally posted by: Hotsuma
Originally posted by: AssertnFailure
do yourself a favor and dont get involved in any series that has more than 50 episodes in it.........k thx
And do yourself a favor by coming up with something more mature than "If you don't like a certain thing, don't watch it." choice.
Sasuke gaining an extra comma. Naruto gaining mountains of power. Makes no fucking difference. It's LAME.
Not to be a dick or anything, but the way you put it, it sounds like you're one of those people who just hate to admit that there are similarities between a good and bad series. Stop being such a fanboy man, damn.
Edit, oh and that henged shuriken was top tier. Nothing Naruto did was ever this cool. If I can see something as crazy as this from Naruto again, this anime would be perfect. But it doesn't, so too bad.
and if you've been paying attention to the last several posts i left here, i was making comparisons between yu yu hakasho and dbz because I KNOW THAT ACTION SERIES RESEMBLE DBZ IN ONE WAY OR ANOTHER. It's a fact of life...and i have absolutely no problem with it. It's all about the execution, and frankly kishimoto's execution is far different than dbz's.
the problem people like you have.....is something like classical conditioning. You see stuff like energy beams and transformations and planets blowing up (all of these normally being cool action elements)
then you see long drawn out fights, entire episodes of nothing but powering up and repeated animations, and a recurring plot (all of these normally being bad elements), and since they are both in the same show, you associate the two.
therefore whenever you see energy beams, transformations, or planets blowing up, your response is its lame.
10/4/04 - 8/20/07
You don't have a problem with it. And honestly, I don't care that you don't either. What I think is ridiculous is you trolling me(and anybody else)by saying "If you don't like it, don't read it" when I've said for the umpteenth time that I'm STILL a fan of the series. Disliking something isn't necassarily a problem. It's just a disagreement, one that I can live with. (but I'll still rag on it) Especially for one damn fight. You're making this waaaaaay bigger than it really is. I'm saying it has DBZ elements plastered all over it, and that I dislike it. You're the fool that's taking it like I insulted your fucking religion.Originally posted by: AssertnFailure
maturity has nothing to do with it. It's plain and simple....long running series tend to involve stuff like this, and if you cant handle it, then its not our problem, its not kishimoto's problem, its nobody's but your own.Originally posted by: Hotsuma
Originally posted by: AssertnFailure
do yourself a favor and dont get involved in any series that has more than 50 episodes in it.........k thx
And do yourself a favor by coming up with something more mature than "If you don't like a certain thing, don't watch it." choice.
Sasuke gaining an extra comma. Naruto gaining mountains of power. Makes no fucking difference. It's LAME.
Not to be a dick or anything, but the way you put it, it sounds like you're one of those people who just hate to admit that there are similarities between a good and bad series. Stop being such a fanboy man, damn.
Edit, oh and that henged shuriken was top tier. Nothing Naruto did was ever this cool. If I can see something as crazy as this from Naruto again, this anime would be perfect. But it doesn't, so too bad.
and if you've been paying attention to the last several posts i left here, i was making comparisons between yu yu hakasho and dbz because I KNOW THAT ACTION SERIES RESEMBLE DBZ IN ONE WAY OR ANOTHER. It's a fact of life...and i have absolutely no problem with it. It's all about the execution, and frankly kishimoto's execution is far different than dbz's.
Uh, no shit. It's kind of hard not to associate the two when they share that many similarities. And yes, it is lame. When you see everything mentioned above, I don't know a word that better describes it. You can preach to me all you want as to why it's happening (Because Naruto is so mad!!!111one), but that won't change a thing.
the problem people like you have.....is something like classical conditioning. You see stuff like energy beams and transformations and planets blowing up (all of these normally being cool action elements)
then you see long drawn out fights, entire episodes of nothing but powering up and repeated animations, and a recurring plot (all of these normally being bad elements), and since they are both in the same show, you associate the two.
therefore whenever you see energy beams, transformations, or planets blowing up, your response is its lame.
Do the board a favor. Shut the fuck up and let me think what I want, without trying to drive me away from the series.
Can't we all just be friends.... and hate sakura?
kids kids, please grow up.
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