this wasn an interesting chapter i think kishimoto is finally drivin us toward finding out the relationship between naruto and the yondaime.
this wasn an interesting chapter i think kishimoto is finally drivin us toward finding out the relationship between naruto and the yondaime.
It was pritty cool. Much more info then in the Raw but the main point was driven across.
(reguarding the first post.)
yeah now that kyubi thinks the two are similar, things may prove to be very interesting.
Edit: Omfg, why would kyubi think that the Fourth and Naruto are alike, i mean.. how the hell does the nine tailed fox "know" the fourth.. sweet jesus, i wonder if this is a translation mistake or something much much bigger
I'm hoping Naruto's first punch shatters Sasuke's hitai-ate. That oughtta wipe that smirk off his face.
Yes much was revealed, this arc is serving as a major turning point for the story. As many people have said it seems as though naruto is going curse seal level 2 (ssj2) lol. anywho i only saw 1 tail so maybe as he gets more and more chakra he gains more tails or something. and sasuke has yet to release his 2 levels of curse seal. Also thinking bout to seeing gaara fight it seems now that naruto could prolli beat gaara again as could sasuke. All in all sweet episode
Please dont compare naruto to that dragon ball garbage.
btw read my first post, i kinda had a revelation, hehe.
How can you not compare it to DBZ, when all you've been seeing lately IS DBZ-like elements? Power ups, lack of any real technique, trashy Taijutsu fighting, lack of cool ninjutsu, and above all changing forms to accompany your "newly" aquired powers? I bet anybody who likes gimmicks *cough*Kyuubi*cough* denies the fact that Naruto and DBZ are blindingly similar, while people who have some depth accept, and wish for MORE.
Originally posted by: piasEnigma
(reguarding the first post.)
yeah now that kyubi thinks the two are similar, things may prove to be very interesting.
Edit: Omfg, why would kyubi think that the Fourth and Naruto are alike, i mean.. how the hell does the nine tailed fox "know" the fourth.. sweet jesus, i wonder if this is a translation mistake or something much much bigger
well if the kyuubi knew something about the fourth it would make sense because remember when the third said that the sealer than the target fight in the belly of death forever? Maybe the kyuubi and the fourth somehow are still tangled together and the fourth and the kyuubi know each other , or maybe some of the other theories that have been thrown around about the kyuubi being naruto's mother are true.
I don't know why, but has it ever occured to people here that Kyuubi isn't as invincible as people make it out to be? What I mean to say is, maybe Kyuubi is a double edged, sword. And by tapping into his power, Naruto ultimately loses a part of himself in the process. I dislike the idea of having an invincible trump card for Naruto, mainly cause he's such a clever fighter, and will use trickery to win, instead of brute force.
I wouldn't be surprised if Kyuubi was a double edged sword. The way Naruto has to draw upon it with more and more frequency and the fact that he's having to draw more than ever... there must be some kinda side effect.
There were some scenes a few chapters ago where Kyuubi was manifesting itself despite the fact that the situation didn't seem particularly dire.. perhaps Kyuubi is attempting to get a stronger foothold in Naruto's psyche?
If he has to give of himself to use Kyuubi.. it might be a good incentive for him to train harder... to avoid drawing on that power at all costs. Hopefully this excessive kyuubi-usage is to further Naruto's character and not Kishimoto running out of ideas.
but the kyubi's chakra and naruto's intertwine, so as time passes it'll be easier for naruto to draw it out. i don't know, but naruto is just awesome going kyubi. damn, that last page!! oh man, i hope he beats the crap outta sasuke. i was expecting that in this chp but it didn't happen. as for kyubi saying that naruto and yondaime r alike, uhm...well...i don't know. a speculation - he met him when they were battling. who knows.
I tried my best...
Alright Hotsuma, here's my response to what you've been saying in both this and the raw thread. You say all this powering up and usage of alternate power sources is very dbz-like, and you don't like it. You also you say you'd rather see inventive and cleaver fighting as has been the staple of the series from the get go. Well, let me ask you this: how clever and inventive can you possibly get by staying at the same power level? Ingeniuty can only take you so far if you don't become stronger. Naruto would never have beaten gaara if it wasn't for the summoning technique he learned, regardless of his cleverness. Same thing if he's put up against someone like a jounin, ingeniuty won't be enough for Naruto to succeed at this level. So "powering up" is a necessity. The extra power when coupled with ingeniuty (how many times have I said this word already?) will make for far more interesting fights then we've gotten to see so far.
You might argue that this rate of power acquisition is ridiculous, but then I'd have to say that it's also necessary. It might be ok for everyone else to just gain skill and power at the rate that you're used to through seeing the training sessions and what not, but it's not enough for Sasuke and Naruto. They're special. As you've seen them up until now, they were superior ninjas for their levels, but still comparable to other ninjas like neiji and gaara. As should be obvious by now, these two have destinies that far more encompassing, and potentials that far exceed those of the other ninjas. It's only natural in a series like this, that at some point, that this passes from speculation to fact. This is that point. I don't believe the series is going to remain like this, in the sense of continual power ups. But right now, it has to happen for the sake of moving these guys along they destined paths. If you don't believe that they have destinies in the story (taking Naruto's position instead of Neiji's), you can at least believe that kishimoto has plans for them, and those plans involve Naruto and Sasuke being head and shoulder above the rest.
"You are not free whose liberty is won by the rigour of other, more righteous souls. Your are merely protected. Your freedom is parasitic, you suck the honourable man dry and offer nothing in return. You who have enjoyed freedom, who have done nothing to earn it, your time has come. This time you will stand alone and fight for yourselves. Now you will pay for your freedom in the currency of honest toil and human blood."
- Inquisitor Czevak
You'd like to believe that, wouldn't you? But there's only one thing wrong with them interwining. If we go by your scenario, Naruto will indeed become stronger. But what will Kyuubi get on his end of the bargain? Maybe taking over Naruto's psyche, as Souryusen said. Kyuubi, in both mind and strength are more powerful than Naruto, alone. It's not impossible for him to suddenly start taking over.
There's no such thing as a free lunch, my Economics teacher told me in HS. I seriously doubt Kyuubi appreciates just giving out chakra (as much as he has) for free considering his twisted character.
this is starting to get really interesting, i reakon the fight scenes once the anime gets up to this will be of similar quality to lee vs gaara (drools)
Well It seems that kyubi is trying to get a better grip on narutos mind and body. Why did kakashi get all freaked out when kyubi first came out when naruto was fighting haku. Maybe kakashi didnt understand that kyubi was released we arent really sure but its either kyubi is fighting without naruto. Or naruto is using kyubis power a lot more than usual. Also its not very fun if naruto never got stronger how will he reach hokage?
I never said anything about staying in the same power level. It's possible for Naruto to get stronger, but still use creativity and ingenuity to win a battle, instead of a "I've more chakra than you, so I'll win!" I think you underestimate Naruto's good points as a tricky ninja, and only look to him as just strong. That's boring. Don't think that getting strong must mean you have to use brute force to win.Originally posted by: Uchiha Barles
Alright Hotsuma, here's my response to what you've been saying in both this and the raw thread. You say all this powering up and usage of alternate power sources is very dbz-like, and you don't like it. You also you say you'd rather see inventive and cleaver fighting as has been the staple of the series from the get go. Well, let me ask you this: how clever and inventive can you possibly get by staying at the same power level? Ingeniuty can only take you so far if you don't become stronger. Naruto would never have beaten gaara if it wasn't for the summoning technique he learned, regardless of his cleverness. Same thing if he's put up against someone like a jounin, ingeniuty won't be enough for Naruto to succeed at this level. So "powering up" is a necessity. The extra power when coupled with ingeniuty (how many times have I said this word already?) will make for far more interesting fights then we've gotten to see so far.
I do think the power acquisition is ridiculous. Powering up is all fine and dandy. But through a lame and boring way as just tapping into something you've had forever? Come now. If Naruto and Sasuke gained strength, via work and training, I wouldn't look down on the current events. Instead, we're seeing recycled material, where the power pops up out of nowhere.
You might argue that this rate of power acquisition is ridiculous, but then I'd have to say that it's also necessary. It might be ok for everyone else to just gain skill and power at the rate that you're used to through seeing the training sessions and what not, but it's not enough for Sasuke and Naruto. They're special. As you've seen them up until now, they were superior ninjas for their levels, but still comparable to other ninjas like neiji and gaara. As should be obvious by now, these two have destinies that far more encompassing, and potentials that far exceed those of the other ninjas. It's only natural in a series like this, that at some point, that this passes from speculation to fact. This is that point. I don't believe the series is going to remain like this, in the sense of continual power ups. But right now, it has to happen for the sake of moving these guys along they destined paths. If you don't believe that they have destinies in the story (taking Naruto's position instead of Neiji's), you can at least believe that kishimoto has plans for them, and those plans involve Naruto and Sasuke being head and shoulder above the rest.
Dont bitch at us Hotsuma for what has happend so far in the manga. Go complain to kishimoto. So Please stop bitching at every single aspect.
Well, Kyuubi won't die forever...I'd think that would be a good deal for chakra.Originally posted by: Hotsuma
You'd like to believe that, wouldn't you? But there's only one thing wrong with them interwining. If we go by your scenario, Naruto will indeed become stronger. But what will Kyuubi get on his end of the bargain? Maybe taking over Naruto's psyche, as Souryusen said. Kyuubi, in both mind and strength are more powerful than Naruto, alone. It's not impossible for him to suddenly start taking over.
There's no such thing as a free lunch, my Economics teacher told me in HS. I seriously doubt Kyuubi appreciates just giving out chakra (as much as he has) for free considering his twisted character.
That was kind of the point of Kyuubi aiding Naruto in summoning Gamabunta, if Naruto dies, the Kyuubi goes too. Sasuke is trying to kill Naruto to gain his silly super-sharigan (I know what its called, I just don't want to type it anymore), so Kyuubi needs to help Naruto win this fight to survive.
I'm not bitching at you. Stop taking it personally. It's called a discussion. An opinion. Criticism. The internet is full of it. Deal with it.Originally posted by: kyubisrage
Dont bitch at us Hotsuma for what has happend so far in the manga. Go complain to kishimoto. So Please stop bitching at every single aspect.
It's not about Kyuubi surviving. I'm looking at it from a slightly different angle. A pessimistic, or "what if" view. It's about Kyuubi slowly beginning to influence Naruto's overall character. I guess, in a way, it's like giving yourself over to the devil. (Religious replies are not welcome)Well, Kyuubi won't die forever...I'd think that would be a good deal for chakra.
That was kind of the point of Kyuubi aiding Naruto in summoning Gamabunta, if Naruto dies, the Kyuubi goes too. Sasuke is trying to kill Naruto to gain his silly super-sharigan (I know what its called, I just don't want to type it anymore), so Kyuubi needs to help Naruto win this fight to survive.
Hotsuma, if u dont like it u dont have to read it...if someone says they like it, it doesnt mean u must attack them. I respect ur opinions u should respect others.
Anywho, why does everyone think its a bad thing that kyuubi is mixing chakra with naruto, did jiriaya talk about there powers mixing? and he didnt think it was a bad thing. Also if its so bad the powers mixing then howcome after the haku fight and the orochimaru fight and the gaara fight naruto wasnt trying to kill every1 like kyuubi would try to do? I reckon its all part of his growth and as he gets older he'll get more power from the kyuubi.
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