inane 230 out

[Uchiha Barles]

I never said anything about staying in the same power level. It's possible for Naruto to get stronger, but still use creativity and ingenuity to win a battle, instead of a "I've more chakra than you, so I'll win!" I think you underestimate Naruto's good points as a tricky ninja, and only look to him as just strong. That's boring. Don't think that getting strong must mean you have to use brute force to win.

On the contrary, I'm not underestimating Naruto in any way. Like you, what draw me to this series was all the cool tricks and tactics the ninjas used to win fights, specifically Naruto. And I don't think that getting strong just means increasing you ability to dish out damage through brute force, but I do think that it's necessary to increase your actual power (dealing damage, illusions, whatever.)



I do think the power acquisition is ridiculous. Powering up is all fine and dandy. But through a lame and boring way as just tapping into something you've had forever? Come now. If Naruto and Sasuke gained strength, via work and training, I wouldn't look down on the current events. Instead, we're seeing recycled material, where the power pops up out of nowhere.[/quote]

These power ups didn't pop out of nowhere. Like you said, Naruto's always had that power. Isn't it time time he started using more of it's power? I mean, what he was using before was a pittance. Gaara had more access to his demon's power than Naruto did. Also, this might serve as a starting point in the near future for Naruto to learn techniques that he simply cannot do without the demon chakra, like bloodline abilities (not like the summon technique, where if he had enough chakra of his own, he could do it). All the coolness potential this fight is setting up is well worth the dbz type power gains, specially since this happens so rarely (if ever?) And Sasuke...I don't quite see your problem with his evolution. He's developing his Sharingan. How do you train that? In battle of course. It's only natural that the third dot would appear in a fight of this caliber. Also, he's not using the power of the cursed seal right now. The way I see it, Sasuke's evolving quite wonderfully.

[Uchiha Barles]

Alright, I'll agree with that, but the fight isn't over yet, so there's still hope, and I think they're both approaching a limit. But I'd be fine even this turned out to be a slug fest, because I'm expecting excellent things to surface from the improvements these two made in this fight. I would however, prefer some surprising uses of the new powers they've acquired, while the fight is still happening. For me, this fight has been pretty unpredictable, but only because I predicted it, and refused to believe that kishimoto would be so predictable. But it's turning out alright despite that, specially now that Sasuke isn't using the cursed seal.

[Badmamajama]

Ok I'm sorry but the people who are complaining about Hotsuma's comments are completely in the wrong. This thread is for us to discuss the current chapter. If Hotsuma wants to make a comment about how he had some problems with the current arc by comparing it to DBZ then he can. That is in no way taking this discussion off topic. Frankly a lot of people here come off like a bunch of fanboys who can't stand to possibly there is a flaw to this manga and its kinda annoying when people make intelligent comments only to have a bunch of idiots flame them.

Well now that I've gotten that off my chest I'd like to say that I mostly agree with Hotsuma on these last few chapters. It's not that I mind power ups but not if they are used in the way they are currently being used. So far all this fight has been is Sasuke totally beats Naruto, Naruto powers up and totally beats Sasuke, Sasuke powers and totally beats Naruto and then finally Naruto powers up again. It's like some really lame tennis match that just goes back and forth. Now all of this stuff can come off really well if this is only the build up to the main fight where finally Sasuke and Naruto have reached the limit of there powers and do some interesting stuff. Right now it can go either way, this can either be the prettiest yet lamest fight we've scene or it can end up being the prettiest and best fight we've seen.

The Sharingan part was extremely well done though I will give this chapter that. Also for all you out there who think Sasuke taking Naruto down that quickly is unrealistic you do have to realize that most real fights don't last that long so two hits is a lot and let's not forget that if I'm moving forward to do a punch but you punch as I'm moving forward I pretty much move into your punch making the blow that much more powerful, which is what Sasuke was doing, he's just using good timing. That's what I always liked and Kishimoto's fight scenes is that they always had good fight mechanics (well except for the whole tennis match thing that this fight is turning into, that's just horrible)

[Souryusen]

For those of you thinking that Sasuke has beaten Naruto in 2 blows... read the sound effects in the inane version. The focus moves skyward and there are sounds from below indicating "various thumps and thuds."

Sounds like Sasuke took a little time to own Naruto's shit, actually.

[Stoopider]

Going to need to push Sasuke to level 2 absolutely.

[Eurasian]

the whole kyubi will take over naruto thing, i disagree. naruto seems to be in control. i guess it seems that way because kyubi gives him power surges but naruto will go back normal at the end of the battle.

every story in shonen jump involves leveling up. dbz and naruto r similar on that level. but story wise, nah, no comparisons.

[kAi]

i liked this chapter, liked how it has been brought about...
i think we needed these powerups now during this fight...its important for these characters...he hasnt been kyubi-naruto in a while, i dont think its a bad thing...rather a good thing, as the characters are growing up through this mission,

[Jman]

this chapter kicked ass. as usual we're left to wait with suspense but that's ok. can only wonder what's gonna happen next week.

[Gods_Son]

Another Kyubi awakening, how exciting...

[Guy]

My theory on the next chapters is that sasuke will realise that his sharingan holds more power than the curse seals could give him because after all Itachi doesnt have one and Im sure he would own the sound four. Sasuke and Naruto with beat the info about where Itachi meets from orochimaru and kabuto and then go for them.

[Cryogen]

Another sarcastic remark on the interweb, how exciting...

Still, I kind of agree. Less power fighting, more clever fighting.

[Alu]

Instead of how you are looking at it, I look at it like this.

The more kyubi chakra that is used, the faster he will get used to it. The faster he gets used to it, the faster the two chakras merge.
Kyubi cannot do anything but leak chakra behind the bars. Anything else has yet to be proven. We've seen naruto go berserk with the chakra, but the kyubi is far from berserk. Narutos just not at the ability to handle the power hes recieving.


Also, I think once the fourth had Kyubi sealed in him. It would make sense then for Kyubi to know the fourth.

[Eurasian]

Originally posted by: Alu
Also, I think once the fourth had Kyubi sealed in him. It would make sense then for Kyubi to know the fourth.

the fourth did not have the kyubi sealed in him. how would he have done that even if it did happen?!

[empT3]

I'm Agreed with Alu on the assumption that kyubi was once sealed in inside the fourth, if you recall a lot of the jounnins and even the hokage was kinda butthurt over Naruto using Kyubi powers because that meant that the seal was weakening. I think that someone will probably be telling Naruto soon that he'll have to find some ways of keeping kyubi under control. It would probably be boring and kinda lame if they told him that he couldn't use it because naruto really doesn't have too much control over it. Or perhaps I'm incredibly wrong and we're going to see some kyubi/naruto superbeing later on in the series.

[obake]

Aw man! Did I call it or what! Posted this on 9/4.

Originally posted by: obake
I dunno, it's gonna be hard to tell how it's going to turn out. I think Kakashi is going to get there, but not in time to prevent whatever is going to happen.

SPECULATION:

Perhaps the fight will escalate so much that the seal on the Kyuubi will be broken and it'll be freed. The seal weakens whenever Naruto goes all kyuubi-like, so if he "kicks it up a notch," it might unravel completely.

Not 100% accurate, but damned close. [img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-wink.gif[/img]

[?igma]

oh yeah..ehm..I neevr come here, but this Manga chapter was very interesting nad..how ever much you people believe it has nothing to do with DBZ and I quote:

Shonen Jump Question:
Ive heard that you where a huge fan of Akira Toriyamas "Dragon Ball" and "Dr. Slump". What was your favorite storyline of Dragon Ball? Or, if you prefer, who was your favorite character?
Masashi Kishimoto Answer:
I love all the stories up until the first appearance of Frieza. My favorite character is Kuririn, because he has the most "human" feel, and I really associate myself with him.

People that "love"DBZ up to the Freeza saga ..well.. are already influanced beyond human reach..

[Tap]

What "Power levels" are you guys talking about, everything is usually fucking explained in Naruto. Powerlevels have never been mentioned, not once have i seen Naruto just stand there and take a 2 hour beating like it was a two hour tickle fest as you see in dbz because of a silly "power level". To me it seems like you guys are using the wrong word. Sasuke's eyes as already stated above, only gave him more insight. And they did NOT appear out of no where the curse seal helped him with that as mentioned in the manga. The fox seems to be gaining a upperhand no naruto slowly, we do not know if the seal will ever come off completely or if there is a double-edge sword to it that affects only naruto personally.

Also what the hell? Powering up in which way you're all using it (DBZ) is standing there for 30 minutes grunting with a huge aura, NO one has ever done that in naruto. Kyubi chakra is just an effect, it's so massive that it's visible with life protecting Naruto. As for naruto not being able to deflect sasukes hits with the chakra, well he could see his movement before the chakra "reached and wrapped" Naruto's body it looked like (Not that sure, but it sounded like that from him explaining). It's a wonder i havent found any "OMFG DMC (Devil may cry) = DBZ!!" because of Dante's "powering up" as the game progresses and Devil Trigger, you silly people will always compare and look back at the first chance you get. Was it really that traumatizing? Dragonball Z i mean, you tell me.

[kenshi]

Originally posted by: Tap
Also what the hell? Powering up in which way you're all using it (DBZ) is standing there for 30 minutes grunting with a huge aura, NO one has ever done that in naruto.

have to agree with you on that.... characters from naruto don't get constipated while drawning out more chakra [img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-happy.gif[/img]

on 230.... it was awesome seeing how sharingan works... no wonder the uchiha clan scared the shit out of everyone. i find the fight amusing, reminds me of two elementary school kids beating the hell out of each other.

[Hotsuma]

Naruto rising in strength through Kyuubi is no different then Goku leveling up into the various versions of the SSJ forms. Coincidentially, they both have to start losing in order for that power to really kick in Just because it's "explained" doesn't mean shit. I can just as easily say "Well, Goku can turn into SSJ lvl infinity (like you Kyuubi fans are saying Naruto can become) because he's an alien, and has always had the powers in him." It would be no different than "Well, Naruto is simply tapping into the power more fully" Or "Well, Sasuke can lvel up more, because of that stupid pill" Taking the cannon out of the picture, it's still reminscent of the DBZ power battles, where a new power arrises (or just expands) when somebody starts to lose. And so on. It's an ongoing cycle, until one just *happens* to be at his or her limit and dies.

And that's what we've been seeing. Sasuke and Naruto fight. Both are fairly equal. Sasuke gets stronger, beats up Naruto. Naruto, then becomes even stronger than that, and beats on Sasuke. Sasuke becomes stronger than Naruto, and wins that round. Naruto becomes stronger AGAIN, and will probably end up beating on Sasuke for a while. Obviously, the next step in this ongoing cycle is Sasuke will reach level 2, and we're back at square one. Explain the "Well, it's okay, because -x- reason" all you want to me, or anyone else. As a fan, taking the official cannon out, and looking at the plot of events so far, this is no different than DBZ.

Most of the people here are going to be exagerrating the situation with a random number out of their ass, like "Naruto is only using .123456789134741 percent of Kyuubi's power (DBZ like again!). Sasuke can't win this.!!!!!11one" Not once do people try to explain it without having the Kyuubi's nuts in their mouth.

[Guy]

hostuma,youre completely ignoring the underlying storyline of emotion,friendship and revenge that is driving each of the characters to reach their limits so they can accomplish their goals. Its like saying a marathon runner gets passed in the last 100 meters on the race and digs deep for extra energy to retake the lead and win the race. Its called perservarance and motivation. Its not like DBZ where they go in a room to purposely reach another level. Levels were never mentioned in naruto besides ninja rank and that means nothing. levels were in dbz from the start they had powerlevel readers for godsake.


And i still think sasuke wont use the curse seal he will realise he own individual potential.