he got the third not the 4th. The fourth woulda kicked his ass.
he got the third not the 4th. The fourth woulda kicked his ass.
onii you forgot .. Kakashi is completely eliminated, because according to jiraiya Kakashi is same skill as Kabuto, Naruto being an official genin, owned Kabuto... And... I thought the only people who can do rasengan that are alive is naruto and jiraiya. Oro cant do it with ease, he has no chance at all, he has no use of his arms... and even so the 4th would of stomped oro and it took him like what? 4 years to master it? I think it would take oro a long time, naruto did it in a week because he always has something to fight for, to sacrifise everything, oro does not.
Everyone is eliminated because Hokages are the best, if you want to use elimination method.Originally posted by: HooP MoNsTeR
onii you forgot .. Kakashi is completely eliminated, because according to jiraiya Kakashi is same skill as Kabuto, Naruto being an official genin, owned Kabuto... And... I thought the only people who can do rasengan that are alive is naruto and jiraiya. Oro cant do it with ease, he has no chance at all, he has no use of his arms... and even so the 4th would of stomped oro and it took him like what? 4 years to master it? I think it would take oro a long time, naruto did it in a week because he always has something to fight for, to sacrifise everything, oro does not.
I'm telling you its Gamabunta with kagebunshins.
Hinata is sthe strongest end of story [img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-smile.gif[/img]
Naruto did NOT own Kabuto in that fight. In fact, he lost that fight. Kabuto was the last man standing, thus making him the winner. Sorry to burst your bubble, buddy.Originally posted by: HooP MoNsTeR
onii you forgot .. Kakashi is completely eliminated, because according to jiraiya Kakashi is same skill as Kabuto, Naruto being an official genin, owned Kabuto... And... I thought the only people who can do rasengan that are alive is naruto and jiraiya. Oro cant do it with ease, he has no chance at all, he has no use of his arms... and even so the 4th would of stomped oro and it took him like what? 4 years to master it? I think it would take oro a long time, naruto did it in a week because he always has something to fight for, to sacrifise everything, oro does not.
Anybody that thinks Naruto is the strongest now, or even closest to, is just a fucking idiot. He's not even in the top ten, letalone being the strongest.
Anyways.. Itachi is strongest now, without a doubt. He broke through Jiraiya's jutsu (being exhausted, after using the Mangekyou Sharingan twice in one day - which Kisame warned him about). If he wanted he, could beat Jiraiya. If Jiraiya could barely handle a man w/out arms, he's fucked against a guy like Itachi who can fuck you up by just looking at you.
Top five off the top of my head. (ATM)
1. Woman Naruto henges into for his sexy no jutsu
2. Itachi
3. Jiraiya
4. Tsunade
5. Oro (w/out the arms)
Didnt they say in one of the episodes theat the third had been the strongest hokage so far
No... Jiraiya was drugged against Oro, Itachi was exhausted after busting out of Jiraiya's jutsu... Anyway, even if Itachi wasn't exhausted it wasn't if that was all Jiraiya could do... also, he didn't if look as if though he broke a sweat doing what he did.Originally posted by: Hotsuma
Anyways.. Itachi is strongest now, without a doubt. He broke through Jiraiya's jutsu (being exhausted, after using the Mangekyou Sharingan twice in one day - which Kisame warned him about). If he wanted he, could beat Jiraiya. If Jiraiya could barely handle a man w/out arms, he's fucked against a guy like Itachi who can fuck you up by just looking at you.
Top five off the top of my head. (ATM)
1. Woman Naruto henges into for his sexy no jutsu
2. Itachi
3. Jiraiya
4. Tsunade
5. Oro (w/out the arms)
yea jiraiya was still drugged and still he could do badass stuff like summon gama bunta. but i still think itachi is just a little bit stronger.
I explained why Itachi was tired. It was because of the consecutive Mangekyou Sharingan usages. If you wanna compare what's been done so far, Itachi still has the upper hand. As of now, all he's done was just stare people down, and STILL fuck em up. We haven't even seen him try to perform seals or jutsus.Originally posted by: DB_Hunter
No... Jiraiya was drugged against Oro, Itachi was exhausted after busting out of Jiraiya's jutsu... Anyway, even if Itachi wasn't exhausted it wasn't if that was all Jiraiya could do... also, he didn't if look as if though he broke a sweat doing what he did.Originally posted by: Hotsuma
Anyways.. Itachi is strongest now, without a doubt. He broke through Jiraiya's jutsu (being exhausted, after using the Mangekyou Sharingan twice in one day - which Kisame warned him about). If he wanted he, could beat Jiraiya. If Jiraiya could barely handle a man w/out arms, he's fucked against a guy like Itachi who can fuck you up by just looking at you.
Top five off the top of my head. (ATM)
1. Woman Naruto henges into for his sexy no jutsu
2. Itachi
3. Jiraiya
4. Tsunade
5. Oro (w/out the arms)
mkaes you wonder just how incredibly strong the 4th was, i mean the 3rd an oro had a pretty close fight, and the 3rd retired his position to the 4th like what atleat ten years earlier? so as strong as the 3rd was ten years ago the 4th surpassed him, be it due to an incredble power of his own or a deteriorating power of the 3rd.
The third was probably still pretty old when the Fourth was nominated as Hokage. But I can imagine him (the Third) being stronger than the fourth, when he was at his prime. The god of Shinobi. That's a hella big title.
Hotsuma I appreciate your argument on why Itachi was tired... but I'm just saying that even if Itachi wasn't tired it wasn't as if though Jiraiya was tired after doing that summon of the frog's throat. They could have continued fighting.
As for Itachi not performing seals to do a Jutsu, and on that basis saying that he has stronger seal sequence Jutsu stored up is not quite correct... the Rasengan does not involve seals yet that does seem to be a very powerful Jutsu. It could be that the Jutsu's he has used are his strongest, regardless of whether he makes seals for them or not.
I think it's safe to say that a fight between Itachi and Jiraiya is a mouth watering prospect to look forward too, one where they fight properly.
Whether or not Jiraiya is stronger than Itachi or not, it does seem though that Itachi can only get stronger, since he is quite young, and Jiraiya will get weaker, since he is already in his fifties and already probably past his peak.
Also, despite the third being known as the strongest ninja of his time, that doesn't necessarily mean that he is the strongest of all time. Nidaime and Shodaime were also known to be the best of their time. Yondaime it seems died probably before he got to the peak of his powers, since I guess that would be around 40 years old. It would be interesting to see a match up between all the Hokage's, the Sanin and Itachi when they were/are at their peak.
On a seperate note... do any of you guys think that Kakashi will ever become strong enough to take the title of Hokage? He is probably the best Jounin around in Konoha, with the exception of Gai who may be as good as him... but he is still pretty far off from Hokage level right now.
only if kakashi stops reading those echi novels [img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-happy.gif[/img]
judging by the way he's portrayed as a genius ninja, i don't see why he wouldn't have the potential.
I seem to recall an episode where Iruka was lecturing his class (Konohamaru and his cohorts) outdoors, when Iruka points out that the third hokage was the greatest of all. At that point, the third shows up and says "was?"
Gai sensei is the strongest.
you don't need to not be a perv to be hokage ....
hell, Jiraiya (a hokage candidate) WRITES those novels.
As far as strengths go, it's definitely still up in the air, and definitely rock-paper-scissors. As was said, luck is part of your skill as a ninja. It was lucky for kabuto he anticipated and started to heal before Rasengan even hit him -- because otherwise he would have died. It was lucky for Naruto to have tsunade standing by to heal him, or he would have also died. It was lucky for Oro that Tsunade's body hit its limits (after being multiply stabbed, slashed, impaled in various ways, and knocked around the place).
We haven't seen Jiraiya truly "tested" yet ... we haven't seen his REAL limits. We've seen his limits on chakra-inhibiting poison. We've seen Oro at his peak. We've seen the "ultimate techniques" of the first and second hokages (in the fight with the third).
The first and second weren't definitely stronger than the third, and were probably somewhat weaker. They had BIG trump card techniques, but the third could beat those. Then, we don't know if they would be fighting at their full peak potential, since they're reanimated and not in full control of their faculties.
Oro probably won against the Third because he has no ethical limitations. He pulled out SEVERAL forbidden things in that fight (sacrifices required to reanimate those two hokages, sacrifices required to have his shiny new body which he showed off ... probably sacrifices or at least a lot of killing required to even have the Kusanagi sword).
Yeah, Itachi used mangekyo sharingan twice in one day. Maybe three times (if you count the woman he was controlling to distract jira). Yeah, he was forced to pull off Ameratasu. Yeah, he did so. Jiraiya wasn't expecting a technique powerful enough to burn a rock frog's fireproof esophagus ... we don't know what effects it might have had if it had hit him instead.
Gaara is definitely strong, but inconsistently so. Note that he was easily the match for Jounins in the village of sand, but .... Gai could call off his attack. But could Gai have hurt him? How about hurt him and left unharmed? I don't think we've seen evidence that either Gai or Kakashi has the ability to summon something so huge that it could compete with Shukaku -- kakashi barely had the chakra lying around to match a couple techniques and use sharingan and dog summons to beat zabuza, how could he have the mountains of chakra that Naruto's kyuubi-pool offers?
I don't think anyone's out of reach of anyone else at this point. Maybe out of reach for a couple years ... but not uncatchably so.
I would have to say for simple lack of insight and lack of speed, Naruto is weaker than the "ordinary" class of jounins though. I think we'll see some sort of demonstration of that in 101, judging by the preview (though kakashi is probably not quite the "normal" jounin).
If there's a single "strongest" around right now (outside of summon masters and demons), I'd have to say it's Jiraiya. He's got the extensive knowledge of techniques, fundamental understanding, raw power, speed, and great insight in general. Next would be Itachi -- for sheer immediate destructive power. Third is Orochimaru -- because he's deadly, but can't use techniques without Kabuto's help (due to the arms not exactly being functional). I think that if Orochimaru had a good counter for Itachi's jutsu speed and mangekyo sharingan he'd be stronger (he obviously has more endurance and better defenses). Tsunade's strong, but she's mainly a good healer, and that's where her jutsu prowess focuses. Fifth, I'd say Kabuto, Gai, Kakashi are tied. Below them the other jounins (Asuma, Kurenai, and the lot of them) and below that the kids (Naruto, Sasuke, Neji, Lee when he's healed).
Of course, all of that is subject to changes. Remember that this isn't exactly a "snapshot" anime .... time passes, people grow. And of course, its' all at the mangaka's discretion anyway. The only "absolute" way to find out "for sure" would be to ask him directly.
the kabuto thing...that wasn't luck. kabuto was prepared. yah i thought he was lucky, but he saw it coming.
yah, i agree that we probably didn't see the 1st and 2nd hokage fight at full potential.
that woman didn't count as the 3rd time itachi used mangekyou, i don't think. it's 3 times including the amateratsu.
ur right that kakashi nor gai probably don't have something against shukaku but u never seen them fight so there's no evidence that they can't beat gaara. they r jounins for a reason.
wouldn't it be great if everybody had a counter for the mangekyou? but nobody does...so far thus making itachi really really strong. itachi has great endurance too. and i don't see the defense of Oro, unless i missed something. but ur right that we hadn't seen enough of jiraiya fighting to determine if he or itachi is stronger. jiraiya is older and knows a lot. but itachi was anbu leader...what age was it? 13 or something.
I tried my best...
Kakashi and Gai could beat (kill) Gaara before he got into Shukaku mode. Lee, Sasuke and Naruto weren't able to, because they weren't skilled enough. But Gai is as fast, if not faster than Lee and obviously packs a bigger punch. Plus, he can -probably- make use of gates better than Lee can.
Kakashi can pierce through with his Chidori, or maybe genjutsu him w/his Sharingan.
Anyway, good analysis on characters, complich. Though I still think Itachi has an upper hand as a ninja, over Jiraiya, simply because he's far more cunning and crafty than Jiraiya can, in addition to Jiraiya's weaknesses.
one big thing i've never really stressed was jiraiya's age compared to itachi's. the sannin are just getting too old. age obviously is a factor in a fight between a young fighter and an old fighter. we saw an example of this during the hokage vs orochimaru fight. it's just logical that jiraiya would be fatigued much earlier than itachi in a fight.
I think the strongest alive ninjas we have now in Naruto are:
Itachi, Jiraiya, & Tsunade
Then followed by armless Oro.
Since we haven't seen the full strength of Itachi, Jiraiya, & Tsunade, I'll consider them equal for now.
Itachi didn't show much, but from the little we saw I think he's just incredible.
Jiraiya was drugged when he faced Oro, so we can't really judge him.
Tsunade used an extremely huge amount of chakra (Healing herself, healing Naruto, getting fatal wounds from Oro, and then using her seal which requires tons of chakra) before she fought seriously, so I doubt that she showed everything she got during the fight. Plus her physical strength is just insane.
Anyway, the 3rd in his prime>>>>>>>>>>all
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