Gaara vs a jounin

[Mut]

Originally posted by: Y The Alien
Despite the fact that no Jounin has ever speedblitzed anyone right off the bat?

gai speedblitzed kisame right in the face. it was pretty cool.

[Y]

Originally posted by: Mut@t@

Originally posted by: Y The Alien
Despite the fact that no Jounin has ever speedblitzed anyone right off the bat?

gai speedblitzed kisame right in the face. it was pretty cool.

Sneak attacks aren't quite the same thing as a heads-up battle.

EDIT:

But point taken.

[tuggumkee]

Didn't Gaara already kill a jounin ontop of the rooftops during the chunin exams? or was that baki... Either way IMHO most of the genins cannot take down a jounin. But there hasn't been many examples of jounins fighting something weaker than themselves.

[Assertn]

gaara killed dosu, baki killed hayate

but the thing with gaara and naruto, is that they can use demon level moves....which no human can really compete with

[Coolman]

Itachi did kinda speed attack Sasuke. Just knocked away the Chidori, then horribly beat his ass down with Taijustu. Theres a situation where a Jounin just doesn't care and beats the shit out of the opponent.

And you never responded to my post.

[KaneInferno]

Originally posted by: Kenshiro
ok, this is how it goes (or how i think it goes, anyway).

There are three times when you have to consider his strenght.

1. chunun selection exam - non transformed
2. when fighting sasgay - transformed
3. Vs Kimi

At point 1 he is no more powerful than a strong genin/ weak chunin. because....
a) Sasuke beats him up (and he is only a genin)
b) he really wanted to fight neji (and he only fights strong people and neji is a genin)
c) it was a close fight between him and Rock (and rock is a genin)

At point 2, he is at least as strong as a jounin, and could probably take on a few. because....
a) remeber that it is not actually Gaara, but in fact a demon that is unleashed.
b) The Sound and Sand villages went to all of the trouble of making him go to the exam as part of the master plan to destroy konoha, and there would be no point if he was a pussy.
c) it is a very even fight between Shukaku and Gamabunta
d) All the top level summons (yes i know Shukaku isnt a summon, im talking about Gama) are about as strong as a Sannin (Manda doesnt take shit from Oro; Enma smacked about the 1st and 2nd hokages for a bit
e) It wasnt Naruto that beat Shukaku, it was Gama that fought him, Naruto only woke him up, and he need ed to use Kyubi to get out of the sand.

At point 3 he is probably as stong as a mid level Chunin. because...
a) he has visibly improved since we saw him last.
b) he is not as strong as Kimi (kimi broke through all of his defences)
c) there is not much to base this argument on.


EDIT to post below

Sorry, in point 2. I meant when he is fully transformed and fighting Naruto, not Sasgay

heh...sasgay...hilarious

[PSJ]

are you saying that you havent heard that before? there were whole threads solely on that.

[KaneInferno]

Originally posted by: Pervert-Sennin Jiraiya
are you saying that you havent heard that before? there were whole threads solely on that.

uhh... look at how many posts i have. of course i havent

[PSJ]

yea but some noobs these days check the forums months before they join.

[KaneInferno]

*sigh* i don't care any more...have a nice day

[PSJ]

yea yea okay it was my bad [img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-tongue.gif[/img] i wont bother you about it anymore. just dont bring the "sasgay" comment up to much the old member are rather tired of it [img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-tongue.gif[/img]

[KaneInferno]

i wont

[Y]

For one thing......yes, it does mean that they wouldve raped the sound 4

The reason I said "raped" was because you imply that they would have no chance and get skullfucked. We have no idea if Raidou's impression of them was correct - you assume it is, just like you assume Kidoumaru's impression of the Jounin was wrong. Nor do we know the true difference in the groups when both are at full strength. Don't act as if we do.

Ninjas can tell how strong an opponent is by fighting them...

1) Kidoumaru is a ninja
2) Kidoumaru fought Genma and Raidou
3) Kidoumaru fought Neji
4) Kidoumaru said Neji was the strongest person he'd ever faced
4b) Kidoumaru, as a ninja, can tell how strong Genma and Raidou really were
5) Ergo, Neji is stronger than a Jounin.

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and if they say "we wouldnt be in the state we're in now", then that means that they wouldve won.

Likely, but not "raped them skullfucked 10/10 lols".

You have to realize, that this is a story created by somebody, not real life

You get an A on condescension.

Therefore when a detail like that is mentioned, then it SHOULD be obvious that the author intended to clarify something that people might not understand.

Like someone directly stating that a Genin is the strongest opponent he's ever faced, despite fighting 2 Jounins practically 30 minutes before?

Unfortunately this only works 99% of the time it seems.

You, again, get high marks for smartassery.

And yes a "team" of jounins. Why do you suppose that is? because jounins always travel in teams!

Like Kakashi is doing, alone, in the latest chapter? Yes, I'm cheating by introducing evidence you didn't have when you made this post.

Only a truly arrogant (or moronic) person would decide to take the bare minimum out to fight a battle if he had a safer alternative.

See above.

As for going against the grain being an outrage? no, i merely said that doing so puts you in the position of needing to prove your point moreso than the rest of us.

No, it doesn't. Mob opinion doesn't affect truth or burden of proof in the least.

When columbus challenged the idea of the world being round, was it the scientists' duty to prove him otherwise?

The idea of flat-earth being the prevalent opinion at the time of Columbus is largely a myth, but we'll go with this example. You are wrong - it is first their job to prove themselves RIGHT - or at least prove themselves to be the most likely answer. The default assertion does not assume magic truth simply from having been made first.

It would be idiotic to have to go through an endless debate among every individual person that might show up and say they disagree.

Thank god you're not a scientist. "Feynman? Bohr? They're just two guys, what the hell do THEY know about electrodynamics?"

some horrid example

I'm not explaining the burden of proof to you. Google it.

[jing]

No Neji was not stronger than a Jounin.

Kidoumaru said he was the strongest he ever fought meaning in a ONE ON ONE situation.....

[tuggumkee]

Kakashi went out by himself for his mission assigned my tsunade(the mission he just came back from). meaning that Jounin dont always go in teams. I actually thought that jounin usually go out solo(Gai, Kakashi, so far thats what it had seemed to me)

Though I agree that the sound nin guy was talking about 1 on 1 and not gang bangs

[PSJ]

Originally posted by: jing
No Neji was not stronger than a Jounin.

Kidoumaru said he was the strongest he ever fought meaning in a ONE ON ONE situation.....

exactly what i was going to say.

i cant believe ppl still live in denial. genins are not stronger than jounins. neji is not stronger than 2 jounins together. gaara cannot beat a jounin.

[shadowmagus]

um ok pardon me but someoen mentioned that neji is no where near the power of a jounin. well i may have to agree but neji can perform divine cyclone (not sure if its an accurate translation to english) which uses every single one of his tenketsu at once. MOST jounins can only perform jutsus and releasechakra out of one tenketsu at a time. And im not completely sure where i picked this up so correct me if im wrong but i keep hearing that hakkeshou kaiten is near impossible to perform. uhh if its near impossible wouldnt neji need just little bit of credit?!

[jing]

Originally posted by: shadowmagus
um ok pardon me but someoen mentioned that neji is no where near the power of a jounin. well i may have to agree but neji can perform divine cyclone (not sure if its an accurate translation to english) which uses every single one of his tenketsu at once. MOST jounins can only perform jutsus and releasechakra out of one tenketsu at a time. And im not completely sure where i picked this up so correct me if im wrong but i keep hearing that hakkeshou kaiten is near impossible to perform. uhh if its near impossible wouldnt neji need just little bit of credit?!

In that case, I would say that Neji is a genius at mastering his own clans' moves.

[shinichi69]

hahaz... releasin chakra from his acupoints is a characteristic of his clan moves huh? and how does it compare him with a jounin just because of that?

[shinichi69]

hmmm... Gaara is very strong... judging that only sasuke can hurt him a little wif chidori and super high speed... others probably cant do that... except for kakashi...