Gaara vs a jounin

[Berserk Ayato]

Ight, Sorry that this topics sucks ass, but i might as well ask.

Do you guys think Gaara would be able to beat any jounin, thi all started when i said that Gaara would be able to Defeat Zabuza if the fight didnt take palce near water. Which then ignited into a Gaara is just a gennin he's equal to the others, and cant even conted with a genin. A may just be a Gaara fan boy, but i think Gaara as of this moment(after the kimi fight) can kick some ass if he wanted too..

God damn im a hypocrite i have vs threads, sorry guy.

[Souryusen]

I'm sure he could beat A jounin. The title jounin encompases many people of varying skill. I imagine Gaara could put a hurt on several jounin.. just not one of, say, Kakashi's level.

[LaZie]

a Jounin>Gaara

[jing]

It depends which jounin. You can't be general, in the world of Naruto.

[Kenshiro]

ok, this is how it goes (or how i think it goes, anyway).

There are three times when you have to consider his strenght.

1. chunun selection exam - non transformed
2. when fighting sasgay - transformed
3. Vs Kimi

At point 1 he is no more powerful than a strong genin/ weak chunin. because....
a) Sasuke beats him up (and he is only a genin)
b) he really wanted to fight neji (and he only fights strong people and neji is a genin)
c) it was a close fight between him and Rock (and rock is a genin)

At point 2, he is at least as strong as a jounin, and could probably take on a few. because....
a) remeber that it is not actually Gaara, but in fact a demon that is unleashed.
b) The Sound and Sand villages went to all of the trouble of making him go to the exam as part of the master plan to destroy konoha, and there would be no point if he was a pussy.
c) it is a very even fight between Shukaku and Gamabunta
d) All the top level summons (yes i know Shukaku isnt a summon, im talking about Gama) are about as strong as a Sannin (Manda doesnt take shit from Oro; Enma smacked about the 1st and 2nd hokages for a bit
e) It wasnt Naruto that beat Shukaku, it was Gama that fought him, Naruto only woke him up, and he need ed to use Kyubi to get out of the sand.

At point 3 he is probably as stong as a mid level Chunin. because...
a) he has visibly improved since we saw him last.
b) he is not as strong as Kimi (kimi broke through all of his defences)
c) there is not much to base this argument on.


EDIT to post below

Sorry, in point 2. I meant when he is fully transformed and fighting Naruto, not Sasgay

[PossiblE]

a) remeber that it is not actually Gaara, but in fact a demon that is unleashed.

The demon (Shukaku) isn't unleashed until Gaara falls asleep.

[Casualty]

He's not completely unleashed until that point, true. But Gaara sort of releases him to degrees.

[mage]

i believe gaara has already killed several jounins. he said his dad sent people after him trying to assassinate him, im sure atleast some of them were jounins. why would he send some weak ass people after him?

[Eurasian]

gaara is strong but don't know if he's as a strong as a jounin. gai did break his attack (trying to protect lee) w/o any problem.

Originally posted by: Kenshiro
c) it was a close fight between him and Rock (and rock is a genin)

i have to disagree. gaara obviously owned Lee. Lee broke out w/ those incredibly strong moves w/ gates opened and all it did was break gaara's defense. (don't get me wrong, lee was great. surpassing the sand's speed and the opening of the gates) what gaara did to lee isn't the result of a close fight. gaara was all healthy (physically, but he's just cuckoo in the head) and lee was on the floor.

[kAi]

b) he is not as strong as Kimi (kimi broke through all of his defences)

kimimaro's thickest bone didnt get past the Saikou Zettai Bougyo Shukaku No Tate (Supreme Absolute Defense, Shield of Shukaku)...it shattered kimimaros bone..
yeah im just thinking gaara has never been scratched before...but 3 genins could get past his defenses and punch him around a bit..

[Assertn]

stuff like this is too hard to debate.......cause one of the lamest details ever mentioned in the naruto series relates to this.......
and that is when gaara said that for the past 6 years, the kazekage has sent assassins to try to kill him

while its deep and all.....this leads me to believe that gaara > any sand jounin
however from what we saw of gai stopping gaara's sand......he could easily take gaara out in the blink of an eye in his normal form. Does this mean that a konoha jounin > all sand jounins?

then again, we know gaara has transformed into shukaku before......simply because temari and kankuro and well, pretty much all the sand village knows that he can. this would lead me to believe that maybe some sand jounins ARE capable of taking out gaara, thus forcing gaara to transform......in which case they get pwned

now considering the amount of trouble that 3 headed snake summoned caused for all the nins in konoha, i'd say that only a sannin, hokage, or naruto actually had any chance of beating fully transformed gaara

simply because nobody else could summon a creature or call upon a demon big enough to aid in the fight
i guess if this is the case, then i take back the part about the detail being lame. but ONLY if this is the case

[viciousHyuuga]

garra >> god , auto protection his like an imbalanced ninja walking around with a hack on. but i think when he gets older an develops more skill .. he will be sand-kage an kill us all. KILL US ALL!!!!
enough said.

[Terracosmo]

If he can, then Naruto can beat jounins too.

I rest my case.

[PSJ]

gaara cannot beat jounins.

[Kenshiro]

the point is that Gaara cant beat a jounin, and neither can Naruto (obviously), but both Gama and Skukaku could.

Its the fact that they have the ability to summon these things that makes then powerful.

Naruto certainly cant control Gama, and so if he tried to take on Kurenai for example, Gama wouldnt fight and NAruto would get killed.

I doubt that Gaara has very good control over Shukaku, because when he was released, all he did was shout "im finally free" or whatever and freak out.

Also, in my above post, i forgot to mention what Assertn said. After Rock fights Gaara, Gai smacks the sand away like it is nothing.

Also, when Gaara goes to find Sasuke when they are training on the mountain top, Kakashi really doesnt seem very worried about Gaara and talks to him like he is a stupid child. If Gaara was even remotely as strong as a jounin then Kakashi would have been at least a bit worried.

[kAi]

kakashi thought sasuke was safe against gaara...
so gaara had no effect on kakashi if he is thinking this...
i think gaara can just kill stupid incompotent jounin...
or only in his transformed state can he beat some...

if i wanted someone assassinated i would hire someone if they couldnt do it...hire someone better...but does this make his father stupid?...or the sand jounin weak?...but its said that the sand focused more on the individuals than a whole group of them...and as i think baki is no push over
so its to hard to say.

[SK]

gaara can probably take out a chuunin, but a jounin, i doubt it...people need to remember when genins fight it looks so spectacular but that is just a genin level, jounin is a totally different level of skill.

[Assertn]

Originally posted by: Terracosmo
If he can, then Naruto can beat jounins too.

I rest my case.

actually naruto CAN beat jounins too
he just has to do it the same way he beat fully transformed gaara.......
and that is to convince gamabunta to fight them

[jing]

I wouldn't say Gaara cannot kill any Jounins. Remember Genma and Raido got their asses kicked by Sound Cursed 4s, Gaara and his gang raped them (except for Kimimaro, cuz he is the ownzors). This shows that Gaara can kill a jounnin, depending on who it is. (of course he cannot beat someone at the level of kakashi)

[KitKat]

Originally posted by: kAi
yeah im just thinking gaara has never been scratched before...but 3 genins could get past his defenses and punch him around a bit..

Yeah, this puzzled me too. Maybe it has to do with the fact that Gaara has only had to fight people from his own village before. He would have grown up knowing these people and probably knowing some of the ways they fight. The Leaf style attacks would be completely new to him, and perhaps he doesn't think on his feet well enough to come up with new strategies to counter that. If we follow this train of thought, then we can assume that Gaara MIGHT be able to go against a Sand jounin, but would be at an extreme disadvantage against jounins from any other village.