Sasuke vs. Naruto

[uhicha neji]

Originally posted by: wirm
Naruto's not so great with henge.

Remember when he tried to turn into the 3rd? [img][/img]

Wasn't that at the beginning of the series when he sucked ?

[wirm]

he hasn't had any practice at turning into giant toads [img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-smile.gif[/img]

[SaSuKeRuLeS]

Originally posted by: Merezz
ok obviously this topic has been covered before - but i looked on the entire first page and saw nothing, so now that Naruto has Rasengan and Sasuke has Chidori and his Sharingan pretty well under control who do you guys think is more powerful?

I honestly think that Sasuke is a major pussy, he only talks big and acts like a badass but he gets his face kicked in most of the time. An example of this being when he fought the transformed Gaara he was just sitting their crying. He says he's an "avenger" but really.. he's not going to beat Itachi any time soon, and look at what itachi did to him in their first meeting?

Naruto on the other pretty much did beat Kabuto, who was on the same level as Kakashi, does this mean that Naruto is already on the same level of Kakashi? And can kakashi even do the Rasengan move? i've come to the conclusion that Naruto has already passed, or become equal to Kakashi. Although naruto does have his bad points, what with being a loud mouth and rushing into things. He at least gets done what he says he's going to do and doesn't just talk a big game (hi sasuke)

edit:
nevermind this i just searched for it and found topic under a different name

I don't care what you say about anybody or anything because its just your opinion, but its not right to hate on sasuke for his main screw ups. Basically all your doing is pointing out everything that Sasuke screwed up on and picking out all the things that Naruto succeded at. As for Sasuke V.S. Naruto I would have to say sasuke. Not because Sasuke is my favorite charcter it's because he actually thinks about what he is going to do before he does it, whereas Naruto does that ocasionally.

[chambers]

i have to say right now, that sasuke would beat naruto.

1st of all ill take a trip down memory lane and introduce a flawless theory that was inexplicably shot down by people here when i first arrived. the theory of rock paper scissors. now just because gaara could beat sasuke and naruto beat gaara doesnt mean that naruto could beat sasuke. first off we have to point to the fact that without summons, the chances are that naruto would have been utterly crushed by gaara. i can say this with almost 100% certainty as gaara had naruto beat before he sumoned gambunta (yes he was transformed BUT he sand has the same effect). so lets say (sorry for the slight DBZ ref) base gaara can beat naruto (nine tails or not its debatable if he was actually using it i think, but i would go wiht yes). we also saw how sasuke was on the verge of beating base gaara. he pierced his shell and his speed was said to be equal to lees (who could physically strike gaara) couple that with the sharingan then we have to say sasuke>base gaara.

now then assuming naruto did attempt to summon gambunta there are a few possible outcomes other than the obvious one that people see to go for (contrary to evidence) a) gambunta sits on sasuke=end of sasuke b) gambunta isnt even summoned somthign else is c) gambunta refuses to fight against sasuke. so then with his biggest asset out the way lets move on. rasengan (sp??) would be almost useless, reason why? narutop couldnt possibly hit sasuke with it, at no time is naruto credited with lee/sasuke type speed, so sasuke can move quicker he also has the sharingan to preempt any movements, in effect sasuke can almost react to narutos movements the instant he makes them.

i really think sasuke would beat naruto, but do i think sasuke could beat kabito? hell no. narutos insane healing is what helped him through that. could sasuke beat neji? i highley doubt it.

[Merezz]

i didn't even read any of this because the post has gotten too big. If naruto was in danger of dying, he would use Kyubi chakra and summon gamabunta and fight would be over. THAT is his ability, just as the sharingan is Sasuke's ability. Summoning the frog is a skill just liek any other thing.

[chambers]

what you dont think anyone has thought of that? your not special, every poster on the board isnt slapping there forehead right now saying "damn why didnt i think of that!!"

[PureSkill]

First of all, the show is called.. NARUTO. which kinda leads u to the fact that naruto is the main character which means they always triumph. But to tell the truth Sasuke > naruto.

[Merezz]

to tell you the truth - sasuke eats penis [img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-smile.gif[/img]

[Souryusen]

Originally posted by: Merezz
to tell you the truth - sasuke eats penis [img][/img]

Wait.. I thought this was the no manga spoilers forum?? [img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-confused.gif[/img]


j/k of course...

[ShinobiNeko]

hmm chambers ..you say don't think Sasuke could beat Kabuto, don't think Sasuke could be Neji, but Sasuke could beat Naruto, yet, Naruto beat Kabuto, Naruto beat Neji, also Sasuke couldn't beat Gaara, Naruto beat Gaara

Well, I would say Naruto among other things, he's the main character, he has kyuubi (more or massive power, healing), he has 2 sannin/kage level jutsu, hmm and Naruto just seems to pull through in the end. Also if it was Rasengan vs Chidori, looks like Chidori takes more time to charge than Rasengan

Also generally if it's Naruto he's fighting to protect,/prove himself/try to be Hokage, while Sasuke''s comes from his passion for revenge which means Narutos drive would be stronger than Sasuke's also as well as the fact that Naruto changes people. He has the effect of making them realize things or just to change them (which you can say happened with Zabuza, Neji, Gaara) Sasuke is a top cadidate for one who needs change so there is another reason Naruto would probably win.

[Mut]

Originally posted by: ShinobiNeko
Also if it was Rasengan vs Chidori, looks like Chidori takes more time to charge than Rasengan

the problem with chidori vs rasengan is that naruto can't move around as fast as sasuke can with his chidori. in order for naruto to hit sasuke with the rasengan, naruto would have to grab sasuke first and sasuke is quite the fast guy. if the battle was soley decided on chidori and how it's used vs rasengan and how that is used, i'd say, sasuke would win.

[thundrakkon]

Mut@t@, it was mentioned before that Chidori is a straight thrust, and the target needs to be stationary for it to work. In Gaara's case, he was charging, without fear, towards Sasuke, so Sasuke was able to hit him. I think if Naruto just moved to the side before Sasuke comes, he should be able to dodge the attack. The Rasengan, on the other hand, is not so one dimensional. Naruto could point it up, down, left, right, or whichever direction he wants to use it. It is more versatile than Chidori, so it should be more effective.

Besides, as ShinobiNeko said, Naruto has more heart than Sasuke, and heart will usually win in the end.

[Mut]

Originally posted by: thundrakkon
Mut@t@, it was mentioned before that Chidori is a straight thrust, and the target needs to be stationary for it to work. In Gaara's case, he was charging, without fear, towards Sasuke, so Sasuke was able to hit him. I think if Naruto just moved to the side before Sasuke comes, he should be able to dodge the attack. The Rasengan, on the other hand, is not so one dimensional. Naruto could point it up, down, left, right, or whichever direction he wants to use it. It is more versatile than Chidori, so it should be more effective.

Besides, as ShinobiNeko said, Naruto has more heart than Sasuke, and heart will usually win in the end.

are you saying that sasuke can't point his chidori in any direction? i don't see how the actual action of hitting with the chidori is any different than the action of hitting with the rasengan. hitting with the rasengan is also a form of thrusting. and if you're going with "i think if naruto just moved to the side before sasuke comes..." logic, just don't ignore that it can happen both ways. sasuke can just move to the side before naruto comes... blah blah.

anyway, that stuff about having more heart so that's why he will win is all crap. who's to say that sasuke doesn't have heart? he saved others' lives just like how naruto has and he also very determined.

[thundrakkon]

As far as I can remember, Sasuke needs to run a distance and in a straight line to use Chidori. Naruto does not have that problem, since he could probably stand stationary and use Rasengan. As far as moving to the side to avoid an attach, with Rasengan, I do not think it would necessary disappear after Naruto strikes. Think of it like a weapon, a knife or such, that Naruto is holding in his hand. As long as he can control the chakra, he should be able to move Rasengan around and continually hold it until he hits something. Sasuke has one straight strike from his run, and if he misses, there goes 1/3 of his chakra.

As far as Sasuke's heart, he saves them because he thinks he is better and he should save them. His true desire is to kill Itachi, not to save those he cares about, which I am not even sure if he cares for anybody. He has improved in his personality since the beginning, but his true determination to do for others is not there yet. His only desire for fighting is to get better and to win over his opponent, not to show by example or to fight for those he cares for.

[?igma]

Sasuke is an Egoist , Naruto actually "cares".

Besides, and I've said this already so many times. And I'm not even talking about Kyuubi Naruto, because that would be BS, but Naruto has EVEN got more Jutsu's.
Lets face it, Naruto can build a combo out every Jutsu he has, but Sasuke can't. Added to that, is the fact that Sasuke never pulls anything "smart" and Naruto always seems to do that exact thing, by accident, but he does it.

Sasuke needs quite allot time to "build" the Chidori, where Naruto can do it in several seconds AND most importantly, to GAIN SPEED<--- while using Chidori, it has to touch a surface (wall, floor, ceiling, you name it) it works just like a TGV (train a grande vitesse, or highspeed train) using electromagnetic vibes to improve speed and velocity. To hit, he has to "thrust"the Chidori forward, so he has to always be facing his opponent. The rasengan has far better moveability, because Naruto could just bend his arm, as long as he keeps concentrated (I think this is what Thundrakkon meant)

edit: i seem to be right :X

[ShinobiNeko]

But Naruto dosen't have that whole revenge thing that kind of holds Sasuke back. I won't say that Sasuke dosen't have heart but I think it's clear that Naruto has more heart than Sasuke, which is why Naruto was able to defeat his opponents, the fact that Sasuke's desire comes from revenge and in the early episodes Sasuke said something about he would become evil or something like that, don't remember exactly what he said but something along those lines, to defeat his brother, if that's the case then his motivation is not that like Naruto's, which is well, more pure hearted and like thundrakkon said more heart=usually win in the end.

If it were that they were to fight at the moment, Naruto has seend Chidori, while Sasuke knows nothing about Rasengan, so I think that would give Naruto the upperhand. Though Sasuke may be faster than Naruto, but seems Chidori has to be charged up, which Rasengan seems to be faster conjuring. And it does seem that Chidori is more of a foreward thrust attack.

But if it was Chidori vs Rasengan probably would be like in generally they both run towards each other with their attack, then there is a big exposion upon impact, there ensues the battle of overpowerment and then probably a dust cloud and when it rises you see the victor. I think Naruto would be the one standing if it were that though, since Rasengans power can be controlled and Naruto has more chakra than Sasuke and, well, when needed he taps more kyuubi power.

Not that I dislike Sasuke or anything, but just think Naruto would win.

[Mut]

Originally posted by: thundrakkon
As far as I can remember, Sasuke needs to run a distance and in a straight line to use Chidori. Naruto does not have that problem, since he could probably stand stationary and use Rasengan. As far as moving to the side to avoid an attach, with Rasengan, I do not think it would necessary disappear after Naruto strikes. Think of it like a weapon, a knife or such, that Naruto is holding in his hand. As long as he can control the chakra, he should be able to move Rasengan around and continually hold it until he hits something. Sasuke has one straight strike from his run, and if he misses, there goes 1/3 of his chakra.

yeah, the problem for naruto is that he needs focus to maintain his rasengan and we've never seen him move around while using it up to the third step. and where is the advantage in standing still and trying to hit a person over running around and trying to hit a person? anyway, right now, sasuke's chidori is more fatal and naruto's rasengan because the chidori impales while rasengan just hits like a super hard punch. think of getting hit by a chidori is same as getting hit by a spear and getting hit by rasengan is same as getting hit by a bat. the spear can do more damage.

Originally posted by: ?igma
...but Naruto has EVEN got more Jutsu's.

what? no. sasuke knows everything naruto knows besides kage bunshin no jutsu (excluding sexy no jutsu...). knowledge of rasengan is nullified by sasuke's chidori. i'd think that the #1 rookie knows more jutsus than freaking naruto.

Sasuke needs quite allot time to "build" the Chidori, where Naruto can do it in several seconds AND most importantly, to GAIN SPEED<--- while using Chidori, it has to touch a surface (wall, floor, ceiling, you name it) it works just like a TGV (train a grande vitesse, or highspeed train) using electromagnetic vibes to improve speed and velocity. To hit, he has to "thrust"the Chidori forward, so he has to always be facing his opponent. The rasengan has far better moveability, because Naruto could just bend his arm, as long as he keeps concentrated (I think this is what Thundrakkon meant)

edit: i seem to be right :X

why do you guys keep bringing up the charge time for the chidori? did you guys forget that sasuke did it in a second while in the hallway? naruto's rasengan (up to the third step) takes way more time to 'build' and not only that, he has to have a clone next to him helping him out. and why do you ignore the fact that the motion of hitting with the chidori is similar, if not the same, as the motion of hitting with the rasengan? it's not like rasengan is a bomb where it explodes anything it touches. and about sasuke needing to face his opponents for the chidori... why doesn't naruto have to face his opponent? like i said, rasengan doesn't explode everything it touches so naruto can't be turned around and just use the rasengan... naruto has to thrust like sasuke has to with his chidori. and i don't see how the rasengan has far better mobility, i don't think either of the two techniques have the upper hand in that. and what are you right about...?

Originally posted by: ShinobiNeko
If it were that they were to fight at the moment, Naruto has seend Chidori, while Sasuke knows nothing about Rasengan, so I think that would give Naruto the upperhand. Though Sasuke may be faster than Naruto, but seems Chidori has to be charged up, which Rasengan seems to be faster conjuring. And it does seem that Chidori is more of a foreward thrust attack.

read what i said about this charging up stuff. chidori doesn't need charge up time, sasuke pulled one out right away without needing to charge up. and stop bringing this forward thrust argument... how is the motion of hitting with the rasengan any different???

[Shi_No_Shikaku]

Originally posted by: Merezz
to tell you the truth - sasuke eats penis [img][/img]

Yes he dose

[chambers]

this is rubbish sasuke would hammer naruto. narutos attacks are all jujutsu and taijutsu and we know unless your the absolute cream of the crop a)tai wont work on sasuke b)sasuke is by far the supirior jujitsu. this charging motion idea is bull. its chidoris STRENGTH that sasuke can run 10m and hammer that thing into someones chest, whereas naruto has to stand there, creat a clone, build up the move then attack. and the chance of naruto actually fooling the incredibly clever sasuke (sure naruto can surprise people but when sasuke fights to the best of his ability is ruthless) and grabbign him is so small its not even worth talking about

[?igma]

what? no. sasuke knows everything naruto knows besides kage bunshin no jutsu (excluding sexy no jutsu...). knowledge of rasengan is nullified by sasuke's chidori. i'd think that the #1 rookie knows more jutsus than freaking naruto.

BS , Sasuke only knows standalone jutsu's , Naruto can combine any jutsu he has, with another. All I've seen is Sasuke pretending to be the master and Naruto always coming up better. Sorry, but you cant deny FACTS
Believing that Sasuke has more jutsu is one thing, but seeing it in the anime is another(It never happened ?). Sasuke just sasucks and you people actually still believe in him :?
He cant beat Naruto ~~