NARUTO: unfair anime character or not?

[Terracosmo]

Originally posted by: gokudagreat
dear lord, dear, dear lord. would people stop thinking that because Naruto is the main character that he always wins. How bout this?! how bout, naruto is the main characters BECAUSE he always wins, not that he always wins cause hes the main character. I think when the writer of this anime was writing it, he said, lets make a kid whos so special that hell become hokage, and due to his determination he will always win and fight as hard as he can. I DONT think he was like, you know what, lets make everybody else in the anime cool, but since i accidentally named it Naruto, i guess i have to make this fag always win. yea, i think not

Even if that was the way he he was thinking when he created the story, the result is still the same [img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-happy.gif[/img]

[Stoopider]

Okay, Taking all things into account. Who now is the most fairest character?

Naruto = UNFAIR- Kyuubi
Sasuke = UNFAIR - Blind bat
Chouji = UNFAIR - Weight Advantage
Shikamaru = UNFAIR - Shadow family. And supergenius
Ino = UNFAIR - SoulTransfer thingy.
Shino = UNFAIR - He and his Bugs
Hinata = UNFAIR - Her Ugly coat distracts people
Kiba = UNFAIR - 2 vs 1. The Dog Counts dammit! It's 2 persons!
Neji = UNFAIR - Too much veiny eyes
Rock Lee = UNFAIR - Genius of Hardwork

So it leaves to people who have to survive on day to day normal ninja techniques.

Ten Ten and Sakura. I think Sakura isn't fair because she probably has some dual personality syndrome.

Ten Ten is the most fair character in naruto who doesn't cheat like the rest of the Unfair ninja bastards.

[Shi_No_Shikaku]

Originally posted by: Evil Eyes

Originally posted by: jing

Originally posted by: Evil Eyes
Many characters in Naruto have techniques that are somehow cheap like Itachi's sharingan, Tsunade's instant healing seal, ..etc, but all of these techniques have bad side effects (sharingan consuming too much chakra, Tsunade's seal shortens her life..etc). The same cannot be said with Naruto. Kyubi's chakra is unfair since it has no negative side effects what so ever.

Uh what are you talking about, try "everybody in the village hates Naruto" if thats not negative enough you are just heartless.

I meant negative side effects on the body. The village's hatred won't kill him.

what about the guy in the first eps of naruto he hated and tried to till him for it.

[Death BOO Z]

Mizuki didn't try to kill him becuase Naruto's the kyubi, he tried to kill him to get the secret scroll and run away with it...

Kishimoto didn't play much on the 'everybody hates naruto' part so far...

[zeroskie]

alright, i think you guys are forgetting that in his battle with gaara, didin't use kiyubi chakra until after he headbutted him to protect himself from the sand crawling up his legs.

he even summoned that giant frog with his own chakra, and did the extra kagebushin with his own chakra, and still had chakra to do a massive kiyubi henge.

also, he mastered the rysengan in 3 weeks, when it took his father 3 years to develop and control, although he can't mold it with only 1 hand.

nobody likes a main character who's perfect like sasuke

[Terracosmo]

Originally posted by: zeroskie
also, he mastered the rysengan in 3 weeks, when it took his father 3 years to develop and control, although he can't mold it with only 1 hand.

His father? [img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-tongue.gif[/img]

He hasn't mastered the rasengan either. The true rasengan is much more destructive.

[Souryusen]

Originally posted by: Terracosmo
The true rasengan is much more destructive.

Where'd that tidbit come from?

[Aramis]

Jira at some point mentioned that there's seven stages towards it's mastery.
naruto learned the 3 basic ones needed to use it (rotation, maintenance, and power)
it's hard to imagine what the last 4 would be. probably something that will let you do it with less effort, like Jira does it one-handed just like that. then probably something that will help you hit the target. it seems to be very easy to dodge, its not like the chidori where you just put it in your hand and run around with it, it needs concentration. and the last two would just add to the destruction, like expanding the sphere or using it as a projectile.

[Eurasian]

naruto has been a loser all his life. it's about time he starts winning. and like everyone stated before, those ppl born w/ the bloodlimit is just like naruto being born w/ the kyubi inside of him. it just happened that naruto was the lucky baby chosen.

[N-Gage]

Originally posted by: Eurasian
naruto has been a loser all his life. it's about time he starts winning. and like everyone stated before, those ppl born w/ the bloodlimit is just like naruto being born w/ the kyubi inside of him. it just happened that naruto was the lucky baby chosen.

lucky, but had to go through that isolation ordeal :S

[Eurasian]

what i meant lucky was that he's "lucky" to have gotten such power. ok maybe lucky isn't the right word but u get what i mean. i mean power not life. because any other baby could have been chosen but naruto was that baby. chance is what i mean.

[Kolat]

Something to consider when measuring Naruto's power:

1) Kyuubi hates Naruto. He wants nothing more than Naruto to suffer like he is suffering, being imprisoned inside a mere human's body. The only reason he ever lends Naruto his power is when Naruto is in a life threatening situation, because as was stated in the series, if Naruto dies then Kyuubi dies. Kyuubi only cares about self preservation, and in the long run escaping imprisonment OR finding a way to take over Naruto's body and claim it as his own.

2) In most cases, Naruto's ability to mold chakra is pathetic. He is constantly wasting chakra attempting to force jutsus that his teamates, Sasuke and Sakura, could perform with a mere fraction of that chakra. While Kyuubi's huge chakra makes Naruto potentially possess Sannin lvl power, he can barely control his own chakra, let alone Kyuubi's. Because of this, he can only use it in the most primitive ways, forcing it to his limbs to boost his strength, speed, and resilence, while most of it bleeds out in a form of visible chakra.

3) In order to maximize his tap into Kyuubi's power, Naruto basically has to lose control of himself to Kyuubi's beastial urges. I wouldn't be surprised if after his latest transformation, a later story arc deals with a conflict between Naruto and Kyuubi over control of Naruto's body and soul. Kakashi and the others do not freak out and begin trying to subdue Naruto when Kyuubi's power begins to spill forth for nothing.

Naruto possesses potential to be the strongest character in the series, with his dedication to training and his attitude towards life. He also has a huge amount of power that he is barely beginning to learn how to control in the form of Kyuubi's chakra. Imagine if someone on the lskill evel of a Sannin possessed the sealed Kyuubi, that person would be able to single handedly destroy entire villages. Which is precisely why Akamutsi(sp?) wants Naruto and the sealed Kyuubi for themselves.

But as it stands now, there is a huge amount of characters in the series that could wipe the floor with Naruto, Kyuubi or not. So no, I don't believe Naruto is overpowered at all, in fact I believe his is one of the weaker characters in the series as he is now. But that is a huge part of the suspense in Naruto, there are many characters stronger than Naruto and his friends, so theres no feeling that Naruto is going to just whoop whoever shows up and use their bones for toothpicks. Every encounter is filled with a sense of danger, to Naruto and his companions.

[Hotsuma]

Kyuubi = Ghey

People who make excuses "Well, it's a part of him! There's a reason why...!" = shut the fuck up.

I like Naruto as a character, but I know for a fact that the thought of him losing, or remotely coming close to death is never EVER going to happen as long as the Kyuubi is stuck inside of em. As of now, the Kyuubi inside has infinite potential, whether it increases Naruto's speeds, raises his powers, gives him MORE chakra, and of course healing him. All of these pretty make Naruto's battle stats rocket sky high. Basically, no matter what happens, Naruto will ALWAYS have some lame shit hidden up his ass to save him from a loss. Always. That's one of the things I dislike about him. And with the recent crazy healing, it just makes me believe that much more that Naruto is SO in the "main character" category. He's always going to have some uncool way of winning.

As Kazh said... It basically is the HMR ougi. It never loses. It'll always have some crazy advantage over anybody unlucky enough to get hit with it. When Shishio blocked it, the second step came in and hit him harder, When Enishi dodged both of those, there was yet ANOTHER step in the ougi. He beat the guy on the horse (anime) with a new form, too. It never stops. At one point, Yahiko even yells at him "Kenshin, just use your ougi and get it over with already!" If you can beat one style, just switch over to another... and another. No different from Kyuubi. Naruto about to die? Revive him. Low on energy? Replenish him. Too slow? Speed em up. Never stopping.

Lame shit. Naruto is cool, but the Kyuubi is not. Byakugan, Sharingan... Do they heal Naruto, and have a thousand different uses? No. So stop trying to compare one to another. One takes away from the user. The other just keeps giving and giving. I can't believe people are still putting it in the same league as the eyes.

Originally posted by: Aramis
Jira at some point mentioned that there's seven stages towards it's mastery.
naruto learned the 3 basic ones needed to use it (rotation, maintenance, and power)
it's hard to imagine what the last 4 would be. probably something that will let you do it with less effort, like Jira does it one-handed just like that. then probably something that will help you hit the target. it seems to be very easy to dodge, its not like the chidori where you just put it in your hand and run around with it, it needs concentration. and the last two would just add to the destruction, like expanding the sphere or using it as a projectile.

Find me where it says there's 7 stages.

Jiraiya could do it well, because he obviously has a lot more experience with it, and control over his chakra. That doesn't mean there's more levels to the jutsu.

[jing]

I agree with Hotsuma.
Cuz look at it this way.
Sharingan- Side effects, it drains chakra.
Kyubi- Side Effects= there are no fucking side effects! cept u will be hated by stupid villagers.

[Hotsuma]

Being liked/hated by the villages won't win your battles for you.

And it seems that at this point in the story, many people more or less don't really care much about it anymore. It's not like they're pointing fingers at Naruto behind his back.

[shinichi69]

hmm... i dun tink it goes down to fair/unfair... its thier personal abilities afterall...

[TruthofMistake]

lol its not really unfair at all i meen if naruto fought a sannin village leader or jounin and probably some of the better chunnin he would get destroyed flat out.... all it really does is set him on par with ppl like neji and sasuke and such.... besides "alls fair in love and war" or "a general who refuses to use an advantage in battle deserves neither the advantage or the victory" i think both of those would fit for a ninja and besides think of what a ninja does : assasinate people now is that really fair???? just hinding up in a tree and and throwing a knife in their throat or well body in general as they cruise buy.... meh as far as im concerned if your in a fight anything goes including uber chakra

wow please umm ignore the horrible spelling in the above paragraph its really bad

[jing]

It's not unfair, he just got owned.

[SK]

who is more of an "unfair" character now, sasuke or naruto?

[surge]

I think a couple of people have gotten some things off.

First off,

Naruto summoned gamabunta in the fight against Gaara with his OWN chakra, being determined to save Sakura, not that of the kyubi's. If he use's the kyubi's chakra it's colored red, second he always asks first, which he didn't before doing that summon since he was determined enough to burst out his own chakra. Attention to little details helps, this shows improvement in Naruto's character in that certain things he can do now don't require help from the monster inside him, and he did all this on the same day as the fight with Neji. Now the last part once he ran out of his OWN chakra then he asked for some help from the kyubi and next thing you know he's bursting with red colored chakra.

Second,

Naruto, if you haven't picked up on it, has some natural inherited abilities, look for a pattern.

1.Look at the picture of the 4th Hokage
2.Look at a picture of every single Naruto character with a parent, and look at their parent, you'll notice something.
3.Go back to the series or manga right before Jiraiya pushes Naruto off the cliff, he apologizes to the fourth before he almost kills Naruto, why does he do this? What does the fourth care if its just some random newborn baby?
4.What would give the 4th the right to take some random new born baby and seal a monster inside it, he must have had some sort of relationship to the kid to deem him able to make that decision. I doubt he grabbed some orphan who was newly born, since no parent would willingly give their kid away to have some monster sealed inside without an understanding of the technique, and then what happened to his parents? Why not tell Naruto who his parents were unless there was some reason to protect him.

Naruto is a underdog(as the series consistant theme goes) because of his past, because he grew up alone, with no one to push him or teach him how to be focused or raise him properly to learn quickly. What shapes a character in this series always has something to do with past experiences, otherwise we wouldn't watch so many freaking flashbacks explaining why a character is the way he/she is. Naruto sucking as a ninja and slowness to learn aren't due to any lack of ability, genetically he has the ability to reach "great potential" and revealing why, may put him in danger. His trump card is his determination. The kyubi's regeneration abilities help him to heal up and keep training so he can train faster.

Naruto is a character with more to him then meets the eye. He seems stupid an slow, most of that is due to a lack of parents growing up to guide him I imagine he has an innate ability to store up and generate mass amounts of chakra for a normal person on top of the kyuubi chakra. Is this unfair? Is it any different