Hi everyone, im new to the forum so if this question's been asked and answered please forgive me. When Orochimaru says that Itatchi is stronger than him back in ep. 80 (81?) did he mean before of after losing his arms? Because if he meant before losing his Jitsus, Itatchi must be one hard core mofo. Orochimaru survived fighting the 3rd and 2 Sannin at the same time without his precious arms.