Itachi v. Orochimaru?

[kupalmaru]

Originally posted by: The Noble Blue Beast
Hi everyone, im new to the forum so if this question's been asked and answered please forgive me. When Orochimaru says that Itatchi is stronger than him back in ep. 80 (81?) did he mean before of after losing his arms? Because if he meant before losing his Jitsus, Itatchi must be one hard core mofo. Orochimaru survived fighting the 3rd and 2 Sannin at the same time without his precious arms.

I think Oro is just scared of Itachi.

If you have seen ep 96. Oro said that he is immortal. But even if he is immortal if he got mangekyou he will be in deep trouble. Imagine spending your entire life on a state of shock; like the one that Sasuke is suffering right now.

[Hakeem_21]

Escaping from Jiraya isnt something that makes you strongest.

Oro is a loser who is afraid of sharingan.

[IamSpazzy]

Why is everyone so sure that Itachi is the most powerful person in the Naruto world? Just because he says that no one without the sharingan can beat him? That hardly makes it a good reason. Yes he's really really powerful, but as for can't be beaten. Maybe to the best of his knowledge, but it still doesn't make it impossible. I could say no one in this thread to beat the crap out of me. But I don't think that anyone would believe it, nor does the mere fact of me saying it make it true.

And there is a way of beating Itachi without the Sharingan. Just throw enough ninjas at him. Eventually he'll run out of chakra and get tired. I don't consider wiping out the Uchiha's all that great of an accomplishment, because I don't think he killed them all at once, but rather in small groups where he got the drop on them.

[SofaKing]

Guys, Itachi ran away from Jiraiya because he had used up too much of his Chakra when he used his Mankenyou (sp?) sharingan three times in one day. Once against Kakashi, once against Sasuke, and then once to escape Jaraiya's technique, which Jaraiya used while Itachi was preoccupied with Sasuke.

Oro has shown himself to be the strongest of the Sannin so far, and he himself says that Itachi is stronger.

[SofaKing]

Answers to Itachi vs. Gai nonsense:

#1 Taijitsu is strong against a sharingan user

The sharingan's weakness to taijitsu is being vastly overblown. Let's look at what the sharingan can do:

1) see through taijitsu, ninjitsu, and genjitsu
2) copy taijitsu, ninjitsu, and genjitsu
3) play mind games with the opponent

The sharingan still gives an advantage to it's user on all three points. It helps see the enemy's movements
better, can still copy taijitsu techniques (even if it requires the user to already have the speed to perform
them), and (since the user has likely used it to copy ninjitsu before) provides the user with a wide range of
ninjitsu and genjitsu to use. Furthermore, it requires the taijitsu user to not look into the sharingan user's
eyes, which would make it more difficult for them to fight.

#2 Gai is faster than Kakashi

It's only put Gai ahead by 1 match out of 99, sohow much of an advantage is this going to give him against
Itachi? If anything, it says that Gai has to be faster than a sharingan user just to fight evenly. And Itachi is
faster than Kakashi as well. Much faster.

#3 Itachi left when Gai showed up

Itachi works for a secretive organization pursuing some secret goal. Fighting a huge battle with half of the
ninja in the village isn't the best way to keep a low profile. Remember, Gai said that ANBU were coming
as well.

#4 The Lee vs. Sasuke fight shows what Itachi vs. Gai would be like

Sasuke was just plain weaker than Lee at the time. Just one month afterward, though, Sasuke had caught up
in terms of speed.

Point is, we know that Gai is on the same level as Kakashi, who is far weaker than Itachi. Sasuke on the other
hand, was not at the same level as Lee. Lee had been a Gennin about a year longer than Sasuke). There's
no reason to think that the relative difference between Itachi and Gai is the same as that between Sasuke
and Lee, so using the Lee vs. Sasuke fight as a point of reference is absurd.

#5 But Gai can open up all 8 gates. That would give him enough power to beat Itachi.

Lee was faster than Garaa to begin with, and he still couldn't win even with 4 gates open. Eight gates would
be a larger improvement, but whereas Lee had an advantage, Gai would be coming from a disadvantage.

More importantly, primary loutus takes time to power up, and it's kind of obvious when you're doing it. The
effect also doesn't last for long, and you're finished when it's over. This means that one genjitsu from Itachi
(remember, Itachi's genjitsu counter was good enough to fool Kurenai, who is likely much more proficient
with genjitsu than Gai) could stall Gai long enough for the effect to wear off and for him to be finished. Or
Itachi could create shadow clones and hide among them. Or he could use any other of the hundreds of
techniques that he probably knows to buy 30 seconds of time. After that, Gai's finished.

[Hakeem_21]

Originally posted by: SofaKing
Guys, Itachi ran away from Jiraiya because he had used up too much of his Chakra when he used his Mankenyou (sp?) sharingan three times in one day. Once against Kakashi, once against Sasuke, and then once to escape Jaraiya's technique, which Jaraiya used while Itachi was preoccupied with Sasuke.

Oro has shown himself to be the strongest of the Sannin so far, and he himself says that Itachi is stronger.

Oro isnt the strongest even with his jutsus so far from what we have seen Tsunade seems to the strongest of the sannin.

[riftwing]

I think you're using it out of context, I'm pretty sure he meant that only a true sharingan user is resistant to his mangekyou sharingan. Although there's no use speculating who can defeat who as it's impossible to tell until they actually fight and pointless anyway.

[piasEnigma]

I will continue to hold my stance, Itachi is the strongest char. introduced thus far.

[riftwing]

Originally posted by: piasEnigma
I will continue to hold my stance, Itachi is the strongest char. introduced thus far.

Most likely but it's still impossible to tell thus far

[Nai]

Oro isnt the strongest even with his jutsus so far from what we have seen Tsunade seems to the strongest of the sannin.

It's true that in brute strenght Tsunade is stronger. However, Orochimaru is still the superior one here. Keep in mind that when they fought his arms were crippled, still he put up a very good fight, forcing Tsunade to resort to Genesis Regeneration. And that was while fighting another Sannin as well.

[Hakeem_21]

Jiraya didnt do a thing cause he was drugged.

I dont want to get in who is stronger of the sannin cause none of them have fight eachother equally.


My point was and is that Itachi isnt strongest so far cause he hasnt done enything but playing with Kakashi and escaping from Jiraya cause he had used sharingan to much.

[Nai]

Jiraya didnt do a thing cause he was drugged.

Towards the end, as he summoned Gamabunta, the effects from being drugged had obviously dispersed. But yes, he had a handicap, not as severe as Orochimaru's, but still a handicap.

My point was and is that Itachi isnt strongest so far cause he hasnt done enything but playing with Kakashi and escaping from Jiraya cause he had used sharingan to much.

Keep in mind that he single-handedly eliminated the entire Uchiha Clan at young age. He also became an ANBU Squad Leader at a very young age.

[Hakeem_21]

From what we saw in the flashback,killing low level uchichas and old people isnt that great thing. Beside killing a clan in which there was normal people without sharingan cause every uchicha doesnt get sharingan,deosnt make you the strongest.

[Inazuma Kami]

Hypothesis
-Itachi can't use his Hijutsu if your eyes are closed, a blind and skillfull ninja can beat him.(Kiba parents?)
-Itachi's mangekyou is usefull against Strong people with Brute force or Skillfull but if Itachi can't match his opponent Willpower his Mangekyou will be cancelled or Uneffective (Ex : Naruto "I won't run away" "i'm not afraid to die ; it's my way of the Ninja !" Lee : If he must fight itachi to protect Sakura or his way of the ninja , he might can resist the Mangekyou for a little while).
-Oro is scared of Sharingan users and if he face too strong people (2 Sannin) he will run away .

Oro vs Hitachi : Hitachi Win
Hitachi vs All Gennins : Hitachi lose ( If Shikamaru lead Neji, Naruto, Lee, Ino, Kiba ..... No Way hitachi can take 'em all at once)

[Nai]

No Way hitachi can take 'em all at once

They are Gennins for a reason. I reckon Itachi could eliminate them all with little problem. Just look at how he played with Sasuke, one of the stronger Gennins.

[lasaire]

Itachi is totally stronger than Orochimaru.

As for Itachi vs. Jiraiya, you have to look at the personalities of Oro. vs. Itachi. Orochimaru is your typical megalomaniac power-hungry villain. He's certainly got more than your share of ego. Hello, "I want to become a god," anyone?

Itachi however, is much more cunning than Orochimaru. When he realizes his mission has been compromised by drawing too much attention in the Leaf, he's not too proud to retreat, something which Orochimaru only does when he literally can no longer fight. Therefore, he's very much smart enough not to underestimate any enemy he's fighting, which most definately includes Jiraiya.

However, for Orochimaru to admit that Itachi's stronger, coming from a person with an ego like his, who doesn't like to admit ANY weaknesses, that's a very telling admission.

So, Itachi is definately stronger than Oro. The end.

[wirm]

I have to agree with those of you who are being skeptical of Itachi's strength.

We know he is strong, and that he has some special moves that nobody knows about. Then again, we know the same about Kabuto and Orochimaru, so that doesn't mean anything.

We know that Itachi can beat normal jounins easily, but once again, the same has been proven of Oro and Kabuto.

Keep in mind that I'm not making any comparison between Oro or Itachi. I'm just saying that we don't know how strong Itachi is.



All of these people who are saying that Itachi is the strongest character introduced so far are either spoiling from the manga, or making an assumption based on incomplete evidence.


Who cares if Itachi says that nobody but Sasuke can beat him? People talk big, that doesn't mean we have to believe them. I bet Hyuuga Hiashi isn't about to admit that his clan isn't the strongest.

[piasEnigma]

as far as i know the hyuuga is currently the strongest clan in the leaf village, and if sasuke isnt able to defete his brother than his entire exsitance in the SHOW is for nothing, sasukes one and only goal is to become stronger using any meotheds he can.

Edit: and a big congratz to the coumminty for not letting this thread turn to shit.
i am truly enjoying this conversation.

[Inazuma Kami]

The only way to beat Itachi is Good Jounin Skill and Extrem willpower to block his Hijutsu .

You don't got to be a godlike or something with Hokage Skill level .
Itachi is a simple good Jounin with a Sharingan .... and so .... .
He is no match for Hyuuga Clan leader or for any one who can summon a guardian .

Don't Forget , Itachi's Skill are balanced , no Strong spot No weak one , his only advantage is his Sharingan .

***If Gai can learn to fight at 100% blindfolded (Like DareDevil), Itachi will become History in a flash .***

Edit : Gai already learn to counter a Sharingan User (Ep:82). Asuma and Kurenai are aware of the trick to counter Itachi but not used to it.

[Souryusen]

Originally posted by: Inazuma Kami


Don't Forget , Itachi's Skill are balanced , no Strong spot No weak one , his only advantage is his Sharingan .

Can't forget what I never knew... what ep did they say that in?