Well, most people look back, and talk about how characters like Zabuza are so weak, yet, wouldn't be be considered a strong Jounin? Compared to people like the Sennin, or members of the Akatsuki, he is insanely weak, but on average Jounin standards, isn't he quite high? Kakashi had a hard time with him, and he is a "specail jounin"

Hear me out. In the series for example, when the leaf is attacked, and the ANBU/ Jounin's of the leaf counter-attacked, the Sand and Sound Jounin get slaughtered... fast.

Also, look are characters like Mizuki, Iruka, Demon Brothers, etc. They are all considered Chunnin's, yet they are incredibly weak in comparison to this years Gennin's. I know this years Gennin's are exceptional, but have any strong Chunnin's been shown? Is Iruka and the others really the strenght of the average Chunnin? Apart from Itachi, before joining the ANBU.