Naruto Instant Travel

[complich8]

mmm ..... relativity .......

@hinatacretu: not antimatter in the traditional sense (which has a measurable mass), you'd need something more like un-matter. In light of quantum mechanics and grand unified theory though, it's a fun exercise to reduce everything to waveforms and unify those waveforms into a single "thing" -- like a single substance, a wave which is its own medium so to speak. Unifying theories like this would mean that ultimately whether light is the fastest or something else is the fastest, the reason nothing can move faster would be related to the fact that everything is made of the same stuff, including light. Ya follow?

As far as the whole summoning thing goes, I prefer to think of it less as instantaneous movement, and more of being really quick and opening a wormhole-like gateway. So you get your tunnel set up, and the summon reacts and steps into the tunnel, and since these are creatures made for this very purpose they're really good at what they do. This makes the instant of summoning functionally instantaneous, but doesn't too terribly break any laws of mechanics too much.

Of course, the question then arises .... why are we worried about the laws of mechanics in naruto (which is admittedly a ninja-fantasy-adventure type CARTOON) and yet willing to accept the equally implausible bits in mecha anime, or the even more implausible mahou-shoujo genre as a whole? I don't think this merits the brainpower that's already been put toward answering the question, ya know?

[HokageVirus]

then theres the possibility of a portal opening below naruto, and the frog rising form it. the smoke always explodes upwards so you never really SEE it, so its possible. and at the size gamabunta is, its not the speed of light, hell, its maybe 600MPH at BEST. i eman were not talking miles upon miles of distance traveled within half a second, were looking at maybe...1/4 a mile, gama isnt THAT big ya know. so in reality, thefastes hed need to move, is 8 miles a second, whereas the speed of light is three hundred MILLION.

[Jessper]

Originally posted by: Alai
Jessper the ep 78 10 minutes 47 seconds into it. He is surrounded by sand then up on top of the frog. We will never truely know if he moved instantly. Its just an anime series anyway. I bet the writers just didn't put any thought into it.

Ah your right, though to be fair he was up in a tree and smoke was covering him for a second or two. Either way the writers I'm sure don't care.

[hinatacretu]

Originally posted by: complich8
mmm ..... relativity .......

@hinatacretu: not antimatter in the traditional sense (which has a measurable mass), you'd need something more like un-matter. In light of quantum mechanics and grand unified theory though, it's a fun exercise to reduce everything to waveforms and unify those waveforms into a single "thing" -- like a single substance, a wave which is its own medium so to speak. Unifying theories like this would mean that ultimately whether light is the fastest or something else is the fastest, the reason nothing can move faster would be related to the fact that everything is made of the same stuff, including light. Ya follow?

As far as the whole summoning thing goes, I prefer to think of it less as instantaneous movement, and more of being really quick and opening a wormhole-like gateway. So you get your tunnel set up, and the summon reacts and steps into the tunnel, and since these are creatures made for this very purpose they're really good at what they do. This makes the instant of summoning functionally instantaneous, but doesn't too terribly break any laws of mechanics too much.

Of course, the question then arises .... why are we worried about the laws of mechanics in naruto (which is admittedly a ninja-fantasy-adventure type CARTOON) and yet willing to accept the equally implausible bits in mecha anime, or the even more implausible mahou-shoujo genre as a whole? I don't think this merits the brainpower that's already been put toward answering the question, ya know?

interesting piece of info... haha... but i cant follow the argument... hated waves and the whole quantum thing all my life...

[kupalmaru]

The frog does not go from small to big.

Remember when Naruto summon the frog when he was falling on the cliff. It was a big chakra or something that resemble a frog. Then the big chakra it turn into a frog.

Just watch that episode.

edit:

I agree with some people, it's all about the chakra. When Naruto summon Gamabunta(you can see a large amount of chakra forming in a shape of a frog). It will be impossible if that big chakra turned out to be Gamachi. LOL

[ThyName]

very good point which can settle this dispute that really has no meaning. unless ur standing around a summoning and then ur crushed by the instintanious arrival of a HUGE frog

[hinatacretu]

Originally posted by: kupalmaru
The frog does not go from small to big.

Remember when Naruto summon the frog when he was falling on the cliff. It was a big chakra or something that resemble a frog. Then the big chakra it turn into a frog.

Just watch that episode.

edit:

I agree with some people, it's all about the chakra. When Naruto summon Gamabunta(you can see a large amount of chakra forming in a shape of a frog). It will be impossible if that big chakra turned out to be Gamachi. LOL

maybe its wif the contract thing... no contract no summon... not enuff chakra no big big frogs...

[Assertn]

actually yeah, i was just correcting Mutata, not so much as "bashing" him, per se

and what i saw in the scene where naruto was falling down the ravine, was 4 legs coming out FROM a central location into the walls. The central location, of course, being the source where naruto placed the summon. If gamabunta appeared instantaneously, then wouldnt the legs either instantaneously appear against the walls, or rise up from below gamabunta to grab hold, rather than straight out from the center? [img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-tongue.gif[/img]

also....the way naruto bursted out of the sand coffin, gama wouldve HAD to start out small and grow into his normal size. Since how else would they burst out of the sand like that?

[Alai]

Origionally posted by HokageVirus

then theres the possibility of a portal opening below naruto, and the frog rising form it. the smoke always explodes upwards so you never really SEE it, so its possible. and at the size gamabunta is, its not the speed of light, hell, its maybe 600MPH at BEST. i eman were not talking miles upon miles of distance traveled within half a second, were looking at maybe...1/4 a mile, gama isnt THAT big ya know. so in reality, thefastes hed need to move, is 8 miles a second, whereas the speed of light is three hundred MILLION.

If Naruto does move instantly distance doesn't matter. If it is instant, it is faster than light. I'm kinda looking to AssertnFailures evidence when he summons it at the ravine. Also it could come out instantly and just knock the sand instantly away assertn. Its not like this much matters anyways. Just thought it was interesting.

[Mut]

exactly, i knew it. assertn isn't an ass like me, he doesn't bash random people.

anyway, you guys are putting way too much thought into the where the frog is summoned. it's the creator's choice to have the frog appear in certain places so that it is most reasonable and and coolest looking. i'll give some examples. when naruto was falling down that canyon (or whatever), he only possible way for naruto to survive is if he summoned gamabunta below him, so that's what happened. when naruto escaped out of the sand, naruto appeared on top of gamabunta. so where else would naruto have been if not up on gamabunta's head? if naruto was anywhere else besides on top of gamabunta's head, then kishimoto would have to have drawn bunch of other "naruto climbs on top of gamabunta" shit which is just plain unnecessary. OK??? why can't you guys figure it out.

btw, forget my shit grammar and spelling, i just woke up.

EDIT: i totally misread something, hold on.

ok, the question is 'how did gamabunta burst out of the sand?'

no offense to assertn, but starting out small and growing big just seems ludicrous to me. i think gamabunta appeared through the special "it's an anime, anything is possible" way. he just appeared in his normal huge size, blastin through the sand. it IS a time/space type of technique.

but unless you mean, gamabunta itself was small (different than what i was talking about earlier) and then grew to his normal size, then i guess it's possible. in the previous paragraph, i thought you meant that he started as a baby frog (like gamakichi) and then grew in like .0000000000001 seconds into gamabunta.

[Assertn]

in order for the coffin sand to explode OUTWARD, there would have to be a great deal of force from the inside trying to push out. Therefore, something would have to start inside the coffin and expand outwards in order for that effect to occur. If gamabunta just..."appeared"....then not only would the sand not explode, but wouldnt he end up occupying the space that the sand used to, thus having the sand fused into his body and probably somewhere in his organs?

and i DO bash random people.....just random people who i feel deserve it [img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-wink.gif[/img]

[Alai]

I believe the move he used on naruto at that time was called desert "Funeral." But, anyways I agree with Mutata they make him summon whichever way is coolest. Which means sometimes Naruto moves instantly/ faster than the speed of light. But being an anime this has no affect to him.

[Mut]

Originally posted by: Alai
I believe the move he used on naruto at that time was called desert "Funeral." But, anyways I agree with Mutata they make him summon whichever way is coolest. Which means sometimes Naruto moves instantly/ faster than the speed of light. But being an anime this has no affect to him.

ok... naruto does not move faster than speed of light... if he could, he would've killed itachi by himself. when gamabunta is summoned and naruto ends up being on top of him, that just means that gamabunta was summoned BELOW naruto.

[jing]

Originally posted by: ?igma

Originally posted by: Jessper

Originally posted by: Alai
ohhhhh don't like being bashed when you missed typed something =*( maybe you should be more considerate to others then

Truely pathetic and hypercritical, but anyways find a episode and exact time of the instance where it shows a continous scene (no cuts ect) where the frong boss is summoned except the ravine where he is summoned directly below him. The point here is that if it cuts away we have no clue how much time passed and can't say they don't come in slowly rather than instantly.

not pathetic, exactly on the spot i'd say, Mut@t@ is always playing mr arrogance [img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-happy.gif[/img] , OWNZ'd this time ^^

So just when are you going to start talking about this topic?

[Alai]

God your thick mutata. He can't move faster than light just on foot, or by himself. Just when he summons the frog under him. He summons it and he is instantly on top of it. So that means that he moved. he moved instantly. instantly is faster than light. So he moves faster than light when he summons the frog Gamabunta, sometimes. We can't prove this. there is too much smoke. Gamabunta could get big really fast. or naruto could jump or different' things could happen depending on how he is summoned we don't really know do we. But you sure as hell don't know Mutata thats for sure.

[Mut]

Originally posted by: Alai
God your thick mutata. He can't move faster than light just on foot, or by himself. Just when he summons the frog under him. He summons it and he is instantly on top of it. So that means that he moved. he moved instantly. instantly is faster than light. So he moves faster than light when he summons the frog Gamabunta, sometimes. We can't prove this. there is too much smoke. Gamabunta could get big really fast. or naruto could jump or different' things could happen depending on how he is summoned we don't really know do we. But you sure as hell don't know Mutata thats for sure.

did i not clearly explain how naruto ends up being on top of gamabunta's head???

oh my god, how old are you? are you that young so your reading comprehension and analysis skills haven't developed much? should i explain it in 3rd language so you'd understand better?

where the summoner and sumon is all depended on convinience for the summoner and the summon and the position of the actual summoning technique. i remember there was a thread on this a while ago, can't remember which forum it was in, but i remember clearly there was one. anyway, i'm just trying to say that the summoner can't move in the speed of light. your definition of 'instantly' is like teleportation when that's actually not the case.

ok... so let's look at when the 3rd summoned enma. so while the 3rd is entangled in some branches, he reaches out and touches another separate branch and summons enma. enma appears on that branch, or close to it. OK??? do you remember and understand that part?

now, let's look at the time when naruto summoned gamabunta while he was falling down that canyon. take a look at this lq screen capture from ep 56.

do you notice that blue and red stuff BELOW naruto? ok, so that's where gamabunta was summoned and next thing we know it, naruto is on top of him. hmmm, i wonder why? oh wait, maybe it's because it has to do with where gamabunta was summoned! since gamabunta appeared below naruto, that's why naruto landed on top of him! so this explains that naruto does in fact move but not in the speed of light as you say. it's like standing on top of a flat air mattress and then pumping it with air, which makes your rise. basically, the summoning pushes you up and the speed which you rise is undetermineable so stop saying it's in the speed of light. wow, what an amazing discovery.

and now, this actually makes me believe that gamabunta is summone as himself in his normal (which is huge) size when naruto was trapped in the sand. the red/blue stuff you see there is CHAKRA/AURA, i believe. that stuff BLEW out the sand making room for gamabunta and lifting naruto up in the air and that's why there was all this sand everywhere. wow, another amazing discovery quickly solved just with more than 2 seconds of thought process.

[Jessper]

Originally posted by: Alai
I believe the move he used on naruto at that time was called desert "Funeral." But, anyways I agree with Mutata they make him summon whichever way is coolest. Which means sometimes Naruto moves instantly/ faster than the speed of light. But being an anime this has no affect to him.

It was Desert Coffin and he was about to use Desert Funeral but didn't get the chance. Either way this topic is more or less useless at this point as we can't tell though I agree with Mutata, if it isn't shown instantly they would have to waste air time showing Naruto climb up him which is stupid so they show it as an instantanious movement.

[Alai]

I don't think that red energy is supposed to be the frog boss. I'm pretty sure its the energy given to naruto by the nine tails. I agree with Jessper they show it as an instantanious movement and cover it with smoke because its not supposed to be a big deal. So maybe he doesn't move instantly which would make since. But you still cant prove it =P until they show an episode without smoke and show how it works.

[nss68]

uhh, albert einstein's theory of relitivity doesnt quote that if u moved at the speed of light u would go back in time, it says that if u move at the speed of light time would stand still because for you to see an image, the light reflected from it travels to you at "surprise" the speed of light, if u were staring at a clock, and moved away at the speed of light the clock's image would stay the same because you would move away at the same speed that the image is being sent and it would then seem time is standing still [img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-smile.gif[/img]....then again i could be wrong lol

[kupalmaru]

When Naruto was falling on the cliff, did a smoke come out. I deleted the old episode, thats why I don't know.