How strong is kakashi really?

[Rek]

personally I think Oro and kakashi have some sort of history... maybe in the anbu days or something. But they seemed much more familiar then say, his greeting to Itachi.

and I hope your not saying that kakashi would be weaker in 20 years.... as far as we can tell, the only age hindered ninja was sarutobi, and he was 80. I think kakashi's about 20, so in 20 more years, that'd but him at least 10 years below ero-sennin, who is still fighting strong.... tho, to contradict myself, obviously age is a factor there, because oro has switched bodies once already. Tho that could have just been testing the jutsu.

I'm a little indecisive this morning

[Uchiha Barles]

This is a quote from Mae

"Could Naruto become stronger than Kakashi in a purely physical sense? Sure. Could he beat him in a fight? Maybe in 20 years."

I think Naruto is definately going to become stronger than kakashi, and it's not going to take 20 years, probably not even 10. He has to. There are pressures forcing him to grow stronger, most notably akatsuki. He's going to need to be able to take on people that kakashi can't. There'll probably be more such pressures as the anime continues.

[Eurasian]

an earlier discussion: kisame stronger than orochimaru. kisame is definitely weaker than orochimaru. orochimaru fears itachi but he never had to worry about kisame.

i think kakashi reached his limits already. he's strong and stuff, sure, but during the fight w/ zabuza and it was when naruto started to release the kyubi chakra, kakashi was desperate to reach naruto (i suppose to stop the kyubi from escaping or whatever) so he decided to use his last resort - chidori. back then, i thought chidori was ultra impressive, but now in the anime, it's really not all that.

i agree with uchiha barles that naruto has to improve quickly. naruto cannot keep depending on jiraiya or whoever to save him from itachi and the rest of the akatsuki. during times of desperation, naruto always prevails. GO NARUTO!!!

[Masakari]

Eh... a couple things.

No one can say Kakashi has shown his true strength. As the constantly appearing Naruto theme goes, you're strongest when you have someone precious to protect. If you take a gander at Kakashi's last fight with Zabuza, especially the end part, he pretty much knocks him senseless. Kakashi is obviously an above-average jounin (which makes you wonder why there's such a gap of power between him and the other s-level ninjas) Kakashi is seen often enough that he as a character will devlop (there are underlying mysteries behind him that need to be cleared in the story) and usually in stories like this, as the character devlops their strength is devloped (even if it's not shown, they will at least reveal new strength).

And Naruto will progress past Kakashi, logically, he has nine-tails which which has probably the greatest amount of chakra around, and the more he learns to use it the stronger he gets. Also Naruto will have to devlop past Kakashi in the given storyline. I'm hoping that storyline doesn't encompass many years and a few generations, so if that isn't the case Naruto will pass Kakashi at some point in the not so distant future.

[Alai]

Originally posted by Mutata

kisame, the shark guy, is not as strong as orochimaru. in fact, he is way weaker. kisame's strength hasn't been determined, but i doubt that he's stronger than kakashi or gai.

kisame the shark guy is way weaker. But, he strenght hasn't been determined yet. =) ok that makes. i'm sure you have some other proof that he is weaker even though his strength hasn't been determined yet. But, you probally don't.

Originally posted by Mutata

personally, i think we've seen most of what kakashi can do.

I don't know about you Mutata but I haven't seen Kakashi do over a thousand techniques. Which by the way he is known as "the man who copied more than 1000 techniques, Kakashi the copy ninja." So I really don't think we have seen everything Kakashi can do. I do hope he gets more time in the show too though =)

[Mut]

Originally posted by: Alai
Originally posted by Mutata

kisame, the shark guy, is not as strong as orochimaru. in fact, he is way weaker. kisame's strength hasn't been determined, but i doubt that he's stronger than kakashi or gai.

kisame the shark guy is way weaker. But, he strenght hasn't been determined yet. =) ok that makes. i'm sure you have some other proof that he is weaker even though his strength hasn't been determined yet. But, you probally don't.

Originally posted by Mutata

personally, i think we've seen most of what kakashi can do.

I don't know about you Mutata but I haven't seen Kakashi do over a thousand techniques. Which by the way he is known as "the man who copied more than 1000 techniques, Kakashi the copy ninja." So I really don't think we have seen everything Kakashi can do. I do hope he gets more time in the show too though =)

about kisame's strength, it's a FACT that he isn't as strong as orochimaru or itachi. don't even question that. and never did i say i had proof of kisame being weaker or stronger than kakashi, i just doubt that he is. it's just a guess.

also, where did i ever say that we've seen EVERYTHING kakashi can do. don't put words in my mouth, buddy. and do you actually evaluate the capabilities of a character on the number of techniques they've performed? nice try on your subtle smart ass talk, though.

EDIT: response to below:

spoilers are not allowed in the naruto anime forum. no exceptions. please fix post =D

btw, there are no spoiler tags.

[ThyName]

just think teh other s- rank ninjas hav all heard of kakashi. so hes really stong and plus the whole whatever move ur doin i can do it too thing is really strong. just think how strong gaara is, he who has killed jounins since he was 8 or so, and then think of when gaara was gonna kill rock lee and then guy just swatted away gaara's desert coffin. then once u put that together then u think that kakashi is stronger than gai and the only reason that gai and kakashi hav an even record is cause gai is the only person that kakashi sharingan doesn't work on. so to other people he is even more powerful.


warning <start spoiler> gaara defeats the bone dude in the manga and this was the guty that the s-rank orochimaru wanted to become because he was invinsible. so there <end spoiler>


can someone remind me how to do the spoiler box again i forget

[Alai]

Origionally posted by Mutata

buddy. and do you actually evaluate the capabilities of a character on the number of techniques they've performed?

Um it never says he has preformed every technique only copied them. And the answer to your question is no.

Only an idiot would evaluate the capabilities of an anime character on the number of techniques they've preformed. More so I wouldn't judge Him because I don't even know all the techniques he can do. We haven't seen even 10% of them if he can do over a thousand. Well got to go I have so many other character to evalutate and so little time.

[Mut]

lol, do you read things after you type?

Originally posted by: Alai
More so I wouldn't judge Him because I don't even know all the techniques he can do. We haven't seen even 10% of them if he can do over a thousand.

you said that you wouldn't judge him because you haven't seen him do even 10% of them if he can do over a thousand.

so, ok... let's forget that real quick. what if kakashi DID perform all the 1000 techniques he knows (i'm assuming that he knows how to do them if he copied them)? if you saw him do all those techniques would you be able to judge him then? wait, then that would be judging a character based on the number of techniques one has performed! =O

and posting quotes isn't hard.

[Jessper]

Originally posted by: Alai
Origionally posted by Mutata

buddy. and do you actually evaluate the capabilities of a character on the number of techniques they've performed?

Um it never says he has preformed every technique only copied them. And the answer to your question is no.

Only an idiot would evaluate the capabilities of an anime character on the number of techniques they've preformed. More so I wouldn't judge Him because I don't even know all the techniques he can do. We haven't seen even 10% of them if he can do over a thousand. Well got to go I have so many other character to evalutate and so little time.

Alai is obviously a troll and I wouldn't bother feeding him... Stop trying to stir the pot and post something constructive please. I hear of the mystic lands of forums with the ability to ignore certain posters, oh how I long for the day.

[Alai]

I've posted lots of constructive things. I'll wait till Mutata posts something "constructive" until I post something else constructive.

[ThyName]

come on guys lets play nice

[Mut]

currently @ 12:59 am pst on 7/2/2004, i've put up 2399 contructive posts. don't tell us an excuse just cuz you can't come back with a counter argument [img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-wink.gif[/img]

[Alai]

A counter argument? I would hardly Think a statement like "alai is a troll" needs a counter argument. Mutata might think so, but Alai doesn't. You see Mutata I'll let you in on a little secret that i'm sure everyone above the age of 6 knows. Trolls aren't real... So if there not real that means i'm not one.

As for posting things constructive I have this to include.

Con struc tive
Serving to improve or advance; helpful: constructive criticism.

Now judging by the meaning of this word I have posted nothing constructive.
Origionally posted by Mutata

i've put up 2399 contructive posts

And I doubt many people believe that you have either =)

[Jessper]

Taking everything so literally to try and anger people, thats what makes you a troll, a forum troll kinda like the one in some childs story that lived under the bridge and attacked people for no reason, it is what is known as a metaphor. But alas, I'm responding doing what he wants... I fell for it, though I won't again don't worry.

[asdf-man]

I think we've seen all Kakashi can do at least most. He probably pulled out his strongest stuff in the Zabuza fight because afterwards he was barely able to do a Kage Bunshin as a bluff.

He's a bit overrated in my opinion. I think he's only equal to Gai and he cannot own any Jounin. Each Jounin we've seen in Konoha surpasses him in at least 1 area aside from ninjutsu in which he is a specialist as Gai is a specialist in taijutsu. Kurenai is a specialist in genjutu, Asuma is a quite well rounded character and better than Kakashi in some areas. So Kakashi isn't an all-powerful Jounin sure he may be able to beat them aside from Gai which he would. I personally think Kisame can beat Kakashi judging by Itachi's statement "You will take to long" then when he stepped in place of Itachi "SInce it's me instead of Kisame it won't be as long" or something liek that. So they are about equal strength or at least enough to make it a long fight. Aside from Kisame I think Hyuga Hiashi is probably stronger also. He wiped out almost as many people as Kakashi beat in the whole Chuunin Invasion thing in 1 attack and wasn't even tired.

[ThyName]

but when kakashi was fightin kisame he was using a shadow clone which is only 1/2 of kakashi's power. and this half of power was able to deal with kisame whereas asuma couldnt even hold up kisame's sword.

[Gods_Son]

Originally posted by: asdf-man
I think we've seen all Kakashi can do at least most. He probably pulled out his strongest stuff in the Zabuza fight because afterwards he was barely able to do a Kage Bunshin as a bluff.

He's a bit overrated in my opinion. I think he's only equal to Gai and he cannot own any Jounin. Each Jounin we've seen in Konoha surpasses him in at least 1 area aside from ninjutsu in which he is a specialist as Gai is a specialist in taijutsu. Kurenai is a specialist in genjutu, Asuma is a quite well rounded character and better than Kakashi in some areas. So Kakashi isn't an all-powerful Jounin sure he may be able to beat them aside from Gai which he would. I personally think Kisame can beat Kakashi judging by Itachi's statement "You will take to long" then when he stepped in place of Itachi "SInce it's me instead of Kisame it won't be as long" or something liek that. So they are about equal strength or at least enough to make it a long fight. Aside from Kisame I think Hyuga Hiashi is probably stronger also. He wiped out almost as many people as Kakashi beat in the whole Chuunin Invasion thing in 1 attack and wasn't even tired.

Kakashi is stronger than Kisame, and most other jounins. Even though Gai is an idiot, he's really strong, being at equal level with him doesn't make Kakashi look bad at all. Kurenai and Asuma definately aren't about as strong as Kakashi, that's why he had to come and save the two. Kisame will be a better opponent than Zabuza, but I still think Kakashi would be able to take him down. As for Hyuga Hiashi, he's the one that's overrated, he did one kaiten and everybody is orgasming over it. He really hasn't shown anything that impressive yet.

[ThyName]

yes, i would pay to see kakashi fight kisame but im guessin that when sasuke fighhts itachi then naruto will take down kisame. since this would make naruto use moves that dont gather a lot of chakra since kisame's sword swallows chakra. very nice

[Mut]

Originally posted by: asdf-man
I think we've seen all Kakashi can do at least most. He probably pulled out his strongest stuff in the Zabuza fight because afterwards he was barely able to do a Kage Bunshin as a bluff.

He's a bit overrated in my opinion. I think he's only equal to Gai and he cannot own any Jounin. Each Jounin we've seen in Konoha surpasses him in at least 1 area aside from ninjutsu in which he is a specialist as Gai is a specialist in taijutsu. Kurenai is a specialist in genjutu, Asuma is a quite well rounded character and better than Kakashi in some areas. So Kakashi isn't an all-powerful Jounin sure he may be able to beat them aside from Gai which he would. I personally think Kisame can beat Kakashi judging by Itachi's statement "You will take to long" then when he stepped in place of Itachi "SInce it's me instead of Kisame it won't be as long" or something liek that. So they are about equal strength or at least enough to make it a long fight. Aside from Kisame I think Hyuga Hiashi is probably stronger also. He wiped out almost as many people as Kakashi beat in the whole Chuunin Invasion thing in 1 attack and wasn't even tired.

1. kakashi is not overrated.
2. gai is very strong.
3. asuma and kurenai cannot be stronger than kakashi.
4. hyuga hiashi is the most overrated person ever. i know that he cannot beat kakashi or gai.