actual 221 manga discussion

[Mut]

you guys are substituting any random character for the real killer and coming up with theories yet you guys don't/can't explain why that killer would kill the uchiha clan.

sure i could say the character X killed off the uchihas, but that doesn't mean shit if i don't say why he/she did it. it's completely useless to tell us about a theory if you're not gonna explain what the main motive is for the killer.

from the way i see it, no one who has been introduced is strong enough AND evil enough to slaughter a whole clan except orochimaru and itachi. also, it can't be kabuto since i believe is around 17 (just a guess from appearance and when kakashi said "don't mess with an adult") and there is no way he'd be strong enough at the time of uchiha massacre (i don't think he is even strong enough now). and i doubt that the real killer is gonna be someone who hasn't been introduced yet. that would be completely stupid to just throw in the real killer after so much story line has been built.

[Assertn]

need i repeat......that if there WAS someone that killed the clan other than itachi.......that we wont see that in these flashbacks, since they are from sasuke's perspective and sasuke sees itachi as the killer

[Gods_Son]

The flashbacks are probably just to show us what Itachi was like and to help us make our own theories or predictions about the Uchiha massacre.

[kaigan]

assertnfailure speaks my mind. This is from sasuke's perspective of the massacre. to find out the truth, we need to see from itachi. man, they need to have more air time for itachi, then we can understand his character more.

There's actually not that many characters that's been introduce outside since itachi and kasame, so if itachi didn't kill them, then that character is still hidden. But little is known right now that it's hard to make any possible speculations of what happened that night.

[xtort]

Originally posted by: KonohamaruCorps
The flashbacks are probably just to show us what Itachi was like and to help us make our own theories or predictions about the Uchiha massacre.

I disagree to a small extent. I'd say the reason for these flashbacks is to give grounds for Sasuke's immense inferiority complex. And hell, while we're at it, why don't we cast doubt on Itachi's character.

One possibility: if someone wanted to get sharingan, someone very powerful, they'd basically have to kill off all the pawns to get to the king, queen, and bishop pieces, who have the true sharingan. And finally, having killed off all the pawns, they get to the end of the road, and the sharingan masters do not use sharingan so that no one can steal their eyes.

Holes in this theory: not too many singular people are strong enough for this. It'd probably take a group of people, and none, up to this point, have been eluded to, except Akatsuki. If Itachi really didn't kill his family, and Akatsuki did, I doubt he'd sign up. The three guys in the last page of 221 look like Orochi-type-people, so maybe he had some help in the Uchiha clan, from guys who were a little bitter about Itachi being really strong.


I don't really know at this point. It's an exciting subplot, and I like the generation of material on Itachi. Whether he's good or bad, this arc has given more info on him than all the preceeding. Stupid people have wasted so much bandwidth on him, with nothing to go on. Now that we have it, stupid people hate flashbacks. Whatever.

[Masamune]

liked his chapter.

wanna see the next one ,before i start making up theories

[Assertn]

wait a sec, i thought you were only an anime watcher, mesamune

[Masamune]

Originally posted by: AssertnFailure
wait a sec, i thought you were only an anime watcher, mesamune

mesamune who's that? XP

nah i started reading manga during chuunin exam or so

i just dont post that much , usually some stuff about precise moments in the anime or weird theories in open.

almost genin....w00t

[Legendary Nin]

The start of the chuunin prelims was when I started to read the manga too (That seems to be the big pullover event)...


These Itachi chapters are an important part to creating a large backbone of the Naruto story whether some of you realize it or not.Sasuke is second to Naruto in the characters most important to the story,it takes a large event to influence Sasuke into the "I wanna kill my brother" mindset.Next week things should really get moving.

[kaigan]

poor poor sasuke. that inferiority really gets to him. he was a loser when itachi's was around and now he's still a loser. what a sad little MF.

[PSJ]

i actually almost felt sad about how sasuke was treated.

[Hakeem_21]

Its the second time i feel sorry for Sasuke the first time was when Itachi kicked his ass,when he realized that Itachi was 1000 times better than him.

What a father he has,only talkning about Itachi. No wonder Sasuke is the way he is,the poor guy has always wanted to be better than his brother.

[Mut]

Originally posted by: Hakeem_21
Its the second time i feel sorry for Sasuke the first time was when Itachi kicked his ass,when he realized that Itachi was 1000 times better than him.

What a father he has,only talkning about Itachi. No wonder Sasuke is the way he is,the poor guy has always wanted to be better than his brother.

he didn't want to be better, he just wanted acknowledgement, especially from his father. kind like how naruto wants acknowledgement.

[Gods_Son]

Sasuke used to be a loser, I actually prefer him being arrogant. Xtort, I agree, it's probably to show us where Sasuke is coming from, but also to put doubt into some people's minds that Itachi killed the Uchiha clan or that he was completely evil.

[The Lord of Morning]

I definatly feel sorry for hwo sasuke feels and as an older brother i really understand what itachi is saying, if not agreeing with it completely. I am nine years older then my little bro and i never had a problem with him, we didnt fightr much, he would hang out with me and my friends several times, i was a third parent kindof, that spoiled the hell out of him. Itachi doesnt seem to have malice against sasuke. I really understand what he means by fighting each other to help get beyond individual barriers and limits.

with this in mind, comments by orochi said that he considers sasuke to have more potential then itachi. Do you think this is true? you think sasuke can be stronger then itachi? obviously yes if you think sasuke will kill itachi, that seems to imply that sasuke is better or stronger, but do you really think sasuke could surpass itachi?

excluding a big time jump, it seems almosti mpossible for sasuke to defeat itachi, even with the 2nd level seal i dont think its possible. if orochi cant defeat itachi then wtf is a 2nd seal going to do? i definatly think sasuke IS a genius ninja who can exceed most others, but how will grow great enough to defeat his brother?

oh, and for those who want a fourth eye thing (what is it called?) i dont think it exists. i dont know why but i just have that feeling now, after seeing so many uchiha ninja.

oh and do you all think that kakashi got his sharingan eye right after itachi wiped the clan out?

[Hakeem_21]

Originally posted by: Mut@t@

Originally posted by: Hakeem_21
Its the second time i feel sorry for Sasuke the first time was when Itachi kicked his ass,when he realized that Itachi was 1000 times better than him.

What a father he has,only talkning about Itachi. No wonder Sasuke is the way he is,the poor guy has always wanted to be better than his brother.

he didn't want to be better, he just wanted acknowledgement, especially from his father. kind like how naruto wants acknowledgement.

Same thing when to get acknowledge by his father he must become atleast as good ninja as Itachi.

[PSJ]

Originally posted by: Hakeem_21
Its the second time i feel sorry for Sasuke the first time was when Itachi kicked his ass,when he realized that Itachi was 1000 times better than him.

What a father he has,only talkning about Itachi. No wonder Sasuke is the way he is,the poor guy has always wanted to be better than his brother.

i felt good when he got his ass handed to him by itachi the best part ws when itachi broke his wrist with no effort at all. i like him when he is pathetic i hate the arrogant sasuke.

[kaigan]

now i wanna see naruto beat sasuke to a bloody pulp and toss him around like a rag doll.

[The Lord of Morning]

i dont understand this hostility to sasuke. yeah he is lost since he wants to go to orochi but man. . you guys hate him!

[PSJ]

i dont like his character. in the begining he was all cool when he was sort of a dark character with power and all, he had a decent amount of arrogance when he was training with naruto and all. but after that he became much to arrogant and power hungry, started treating people like shit and so on. also when naruto sort of surpassed him he didnt take it too well to say the least. basicly he is an ass. thats why i hate the guy.