Neji fate talk

[spanks]

well just paraphrasing but neji says that your fate is decided at birth and it cant be changed to which naruto says it can

however i think it was jiraiya who says hes destined to be the protector of konoha as the ninetails was sealed inside him at birth ergo it implies hes destined to become hokage meaning that nejis fate talk was correct

the only thing that neji got wrong was he thought he was destined to win as naruto is widely regarded as being such a dumbass, and everyone just underrates him

[spanks]

that could be total bullshit btw as i cnt remember the exact quote

[Mut]

use the edit button. and you're thinking way too deeply into this.

[Jessper]

You won't ever really know, like you said it could have been fate all along OR maybe Naruto fought his desitny and is becoming what he dreamed of even though fate wouldn't allow it. We can't tell with something like that. I wouldn't sweat it.

[wirm]

I think a man does what he can, until his destiny is revealed.
- Tom Cruise in the Last Samurai


hahaha

[Board of Command]

No, that fate talk is all crap. Everyone has a free will, and one's future is 100% dependent on the actions of himself and others. A person's character is created by his surrounding peers and environment. Every action is caused by the previous ones.

For example:
-You open your eyes because you chose to close them.
-You are reading this thread because you chose to start watching Naruto some time back.
-You have a computer because the human race is technologically advanced.

All life is is a chain of events, and each event triggers the next. Fate didn't make you watch Naruto because it didn't exist yet. You chose to watch it, and by doing so you joined this forum. You chose this forum because it is closely related to A/A, and A/A exists because the people at Japan decided to make Naruto. A person's choices all correspond to the choices of others, and so on.

Actually, as of now, everyone has the same fate, and that is death.

[Knives122]

So basically fate and everything like that is based on choice(a little matrixy), choice is what determines the past, present, and futrure, and the choices you make leads you down certain paths(there are multiple paths, that you can take based on your choices) and Naruot IMO is going down the path that he believes is the sure fire way to his ideal perfection(becoming Hokage)

So IMO Neji was right about being predetermined to fate(and maybe choice), Nejis fate was to lose to Naruto because he choose to underestimate Naruto.

[jing]

No one can tell the future. Naruto is not always right. He steps on shit.

[Agrippa]

twice.

[Board of Command]

Originally posted by: Knives122
So basically fate and everything like that is based on choice(a little matrixy), choice is what determines the past, present, and futrure, and the choices you make leads you down certain paths(there are multiple paths, that you can take based on your choices) and Naruot IMO is going down the path that he believes is the sure fire way to his ideal perfection(becoming Hokage)

So IMO Neji was right about being predetermined to fate(and maybe choice), Nejis fate was to lose to Naruto because he choose to underestimate Naruto.

Fate means everything is predetermined at the instance of your existance, including the future and everything you do.
Choice means there is no definite future because your consciousness can only exist in the present. As you progress along time, each action you make triggers the next.
IMO that's what I think the difference. Neji lost because he underestimated Naruto, but was he "destined" to make that choice and lose to Naruto on that day at that moment? No one knows, and no one ever will.

[010577]

this is stupid ... just because jiraiya said it does not mean it is fate...


i agree with the person that has a sig with a bloody wooden board to some extent...

1) everyone dies


fate is something that is beyond us ... it is not something anyone can percieve like :: "A will happen, B will follow", except for death. What i mean is, jiraiya thinks it is naruto's fate because of jiraiya's personality as well... everyone sees naruto's fate differently, and itz not like any one of their opinions are definitely right

[Death BOO Z]

you guys are being idiots, this argument all comes down to the points of 'you can't say that it wasn't pre-determinted!' and 'you can't say it was!', the destiney Neji was disscusing was the status destiney (a commoner will always be a commoner, while the royality will be the royality and will be served by the commoners) and it's relation to the Hyuga clan, Jiraya was talking about the role given to Naruto by the 4th (i'm not spoiling anything, as there is nothing to spoil), which was to live with the kyubi and to always be in danger becuase of it...
you guys are disscussing destiney at it's large meaning, which is completely meanningless, just as religion and astrology....


and just to fuel the argument a bit more, if you had a super computer and you knew the speed and direction that each atom went to had at the big bang, then you could have calculated how'll they'll interact and through that, you'd have the future...

[Terracosmo]

If his talk is right or not is a matter of who you ask, since it takes a person who believes in fate to believe what he says. Personally, I do. Because when someone says "I am in full control of what I do", how do you know that the thing he eventually does isn't destined? The things you do, become fate! Cool huh?!

[EpoC]

how do a person know if it's fate or not? You may belive that you made a choice but it was your destiny to make that choice.
Maybe it was fate that made me start watching naruto. And the choice I made was my destiny.
So how do I know If I have a free will, If every choice I make is could be my fate.

[Board of Command]

Just to fuel the argument...

and just to fuel the argument a bit more, if you had a super computer and you knew the speed and direction that each atom went to had at the big bang, then you could have calculated how'll they'll interact and through that, you'd have the future...

You cannot predict the future because time is an indefinite measurement. The future doesn't exist, all it is is a concept. In our consciousness we can only experience the present. Time is constantly moving, therefore you cannot "predict" what will happen in a single moment because time is an infinite chain of events.

Anyways, back on topic.

how do a person know if it's fate or not? You may belive that you made a choice but it was your destiny to make that choice.

Exactly my point. No one knows and no one ever will.

[PSJ]

this is just stupid since this discussion is made on something a character said. the words jiraiya said has no signifcans to anything but what neji said was significant since naruto proved him wrong.

[The_Fourth]

You are taking this too serious.

[_gaara_]

Discussing this is worthless:

1. The world of Naruto is fictitious. Whether or not Board of Command is right is irrelevant.
2. It cannot be proven whether or not fate exists in Naruto, since as someone mentioned before, Naruto may have been going along with his predetermined fate by defeating Neji.

[Eurasian]

Fate is in the hands of the person. Look at Rock Lee and how weak he was before he met Gai-Sensei. "Practice beats genius." Everything depends on the factors, like who you are facing, how hard you trained (in the wonderful world of Naruto), etc.

[Terracosmo]

Originally posted by: EpoC
how do a person know if it's fate or not? You may belive that you made a choice but it was your destiny to make that choice.
Maybe it was fate that made me start watching naruto. And the choice I made was my destiny.
So how do I know If I have a free will, If every choice I make is could be my fate.

Yeah! These are my thoughts exactly.