Naruto the reincarnation of the 4th?

**CapsuleCorpJX** · Sat, 06-19-2004, 09:44 PM

If Naruto really was just some random baby that the 4th used to seal the jutsu in, wouldn't he have some family or family friends? It would be pretty improbable that Naruto has ABSOLUTELY NO FAMILY whatsoever. But thats exactly what seems to be, Naruto is utterly alone, and does not seem to have a single blood relative or family friend.

So what does that leave us? Naruto is not the reincarnation of Kyuubi, because he's obviously its container. Naruto is not the 4th's son, because otherwise the villagers would respect and have high expectations of Naruto. So could he be the reincarnation of the 4th? It isn't as far fetched as it seems.

For one, when we saw the 3rd use the 4th's sealing techinque on the first and second undead hokages. You see that the death god's hand come out of the 3rd's stomach. That hand then grabs the target soul and stores that soul in the 3rd's stomach forming a seal.

What does Naruto have on his stomach?? The exact same seal. It could be that the 4th tried to kill Kyuubi with that techinque, but because Kyuubi is immortal, all he could do was contain Kyuubi in himself and regressed himself into an infant.

My theory is that only Jiraya and the 3rd knows that Naruto is the incarnation of the 4th. That would explain why Jiraya took up Naruto as his student so quickly, especially with Naruto's poor reputation at the time. Maybe thats also why the 3rd tried so desperately to keep Orochimaru from raising the 4th Hokage from the grave. Maybe if the 3rd actually was successful in raising the 4th's grave, it would have killed Naruto and released Kyuubi?

Of course the other side of the argument is that the 3rd just knew that he couldn't compete against the 4th's sealing technique.

Anyway, it would make a good plot twist. If it does happen in the future, it would probably happen in the end of the series.

**Knives122** · Sat, 06-19-2004, 09:47 PM

Its a good theory but I'm going to say what everyone has already said 2472398578021659275082-1732156-7508125-27158978052395872385478239468721464972364937984279 8347 times, NO MORE NARUTO IS THE 4THS SON S#%T WE ARE SICK AND TIRED OF THIS STUFF, WEVE BEEN HEARING THIS CRAP FOR THE LAST 635 YEARS, SO JUST SHUT UP!!!!

**CapsuleCorpJX** · Sat, 06-19-2004, 09:50 PM

Originally posted by: Knives122
Its a good theory but I'm going to say what everyone has already said 2472398578021659275082-1732156-7508125-27158978052395872385478239468721464972364937984279 8347 times, NO MORE NARUTO IS THE 4THS SON S#%T WE ARE SICK AND TIRED OF THIS STUFF, WEVE BEEN HEARING THIS CRAP FOR THE LAST 635 YEARS, SO JUST SHUT UP!!!!

What are you talking about? I didn't say Naruto was the 4th's son.

**Knives122** · Sat, 06-19-2004, 09:56 PM

Its the same thing to be the reincarnated form of something is to be like the persons son, its like a clone

**Lefty** · Sat, 06-19-2004, 10:14 PM

He dose have a point. Don't forget some people on this forum have been here since the begining and have seen it all thread wise so before you make another thread do a search and see if it's been done like ten times or more in this case.

**CapsuleCorpJX** · Sat, 06-19-2004, 10:14 PM

Originally posted by: Knives122
Its the same thing to be the reincarnated form of something is to be like the persons son, its like a clone

No, reincranation is different from son. Reincarnation means its bascially the same person without the memories.

**Knives122** · Sat, 06-19-2004, 10:23 PM

I know that, but you are suppose to have the same attributes as the father, a son and clone are the same thing, b/c isnt the son just a clone of the two who had it? because it basically is

**Kale Ironfist** · Sat, 06-19-2004, 11:00 PM

the son would only be a half-clone

**JusDaMan** · Sat, 06-19-2004, 11:27 PM

That wont work =) naruto was born before 4th died. and inorder to be reencarnated a person has to die and born to another person.

**Hokage-IV** · Sun, 06-20-2004, 12:21 AM

Originally posted by: CapsuleCorpJX
If Naruto really was just some random baby that the 4th used to seal the jutsu in, wouldn't he have some family or family friends? It would be pretty improbable that Naruto has ABSOLUTELY NO FAMILY whatsoever. But thats exactly what seems to be, Naruto is utterly alone, and does not seem to have a single blood relative or family friend.

So what does that leave us? Naruto is not the reincarnation of Kyuubi, because he's obviously its container. Naruto is not the 4th's son, because otherwise the villagers would respect and have high expectations of Naruto. So could he be the reincarnation of the 4th? It isn't as far fetched as it seems.

For one, when we saw the 3rd use the 4th's sealing techinque on the first and second undead hokages. You see that the death god's hand come out of the 3rd's stomach. That hand then grabs the target soul and stores that soul in the 3rd's stomach forming a seal.

What does Naruto have on his stomach?? The exact same seal. It could be that the 4th tried to kill Kyuubi with that techinque, but because Kyuubi is immortal, all he could do was contain Kyuubi in himself and regressed himself into an infant.

My theory is that only Jiraya and the 3rd knows that Naruto is the incarnation of the 4th. That would explain why Jiraya took up Naruto as his student so quickly, especially with Naruto's poor reputation at the time. Maybe thats also why the 3rd tried so desperately to keep Orochimaru from raising the 4th Hokage from the grave. Maybe if the 3rd actually was successful in raising the 4th's grave, it would have killed Naruto and released Kyuubi?

Of course the other side of the argument is that the 3rd just knew that he couldn't compete against the 4th's sealing technique.

Anyway, it would make a good plot twist. If it does happen in the future, it would probably happen in the end of the series.

Reincarnation is a descent argument, but the way u explained and concluded didnt make any sense.......

**XwingRob** · Sun, 06-20-2004, 12:37 AM

sigh

And I quote the 3rd, yet again:
Third: "The 4th sealed the Nine Tails into the belly button of a new born baby. Naruto became the container of the village."

**Death BOO Z** · Sun, 06-20-2004, 12:39 AM

The reincarnation theory is crap.
ignoring all the holes in it (how could the 4th ask the 3rd to treat Naruto as a hero if Naruto wasn't created yet?), the main reason why it's wrong is becuase it goes against the "underdog" theme of the story..
If Naruto is the forth hokage, then it means that his entire race to being hokage was decided at birth, and that makes fools of the fans...

the father\son theory has enough holes of its own, but they can be solved and add deapth to the plot at the same time, the reincarnation theory can't be...

**Gods_Son** · Sun, 06-20-2004, 01:17 AM

There's no need for any more explanations, the theory is wrong

**PSJ** · Sun, 06-20-2004, 07:37 AM

just stop please just sto this madness, this has been discussed about 1000000 times before so just shut up and use the search function. would someone please lock this thread please? terra save us!!

**jing** · Sun, 06-20-2004, 01:25 PM

Originally posted by: Knives122
Its the same thing to be the reincarnated form of something is to be like the persons son, its like a clone

No it isn't. Naruto can be reincarnated into a butterfly and he still wouldn't look like the fourth. Trust me on this, go look it up in a dictionary.

**PSJ** · Sun, 06-20-2004, 02:07 PM

jing is right reincarnation is when you are reborn, it doesnt matter if you are reborn into a maggot or a bull you wont look the same as before.

**Rock Lee** · Sun, 06-20-2004, 02:23 PM

This thread has been posted over and over again, thread closed. And hopefully we woln't get any "reincarnated" forms of it again in the future.

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