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[Elessar]

Originally posted by: ?igma
Not that I'm diappointed with your subs, hell no, I download all that is Anbu , because it stands for quality.

I may be mistaken, but iirc Ciber is still a member of Animeone....

@Zansatsu: I think logic isn't logic's strenght...

[complich8]

heh, gotta love spammers.

yep, Ciber is animeone staff. So am I :-p.

I think a lot of people don't care enough about the distinction though, 'cause all they are really exposed to is naruto. It's a shame too, both ANBU and Animeone have some really notable series they (err, we, or something) are working on that a lot of the most ranting naruto fanboy types will never look at at all. And then there's also the fact that it's easier to address a joint by one name than by two ... cognitive miser stuff or something like that...

[Jessper]

Originally posted by: complich8
heh, gotta love spammers.

yep, Ciber is animeone staff. So am I :-p.

I think a lot of people don't care enough about the distinction though, 'cause all they are really exposed to is naruto. It's a shame too, both ANBU and Animeone have some really notable series they (err, we, or something) are working on that a lot of the most ranting naruto fanboy types will never look at at all. And then there's also the fact that it's easier to address a joint by one name than by two ... cognitive miser stuff or something like that...

Your totaly right, I'm glad you posted this. I'm gunna go start downloading and checking out the rest of the series you two groups do.

Thanks for doing subs you guys are awsome.

[Kidd]

Originally posted by: Ciber

Originally posted by: ?igma
My 2cts is that Anbu is getting Sloppy, and SO is getting good quickly, meaning, that Anbu (and therefor gotwoot) rests upon the anime community for its support. If that support drops, I dont even download A/A anymore, because they are often very late, then things will get both ugly for gotwoot AND anbu, so dont get so cocky , I loved the S-O episode, wether you people want it or not..

And sure we will go to their forum, as soon as they post it [img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-smile.gif[/img]

I would love for you to point out where we are "Sloppy".


If by "sloppy" you mean taking our time in making sure you get a file that's as flawless as possible, then yes we are very sloppy.


Our Naruto takes longer because if we happen to find a error during QC we will just trash that version and fix the errors and encode a new one. Sometimes we have to repeat this process a couple of times. 2 encoding passes with filters are not exactly fast. Also keep in mind that our staff members have lives and also need to sleep.


I suggest that if you don't know how much work we put into our episodes that you please keep your ignorant mouth shut.

Warning for this post, it might be stupid and whatnot. I really don't mean to make you look stupid or anything and you might already do this and I just misunderstood your post, but I really just want to help.

About the whole QC issue, you mentioned two passes and whatnot. Well what I think is that you can do QC in several stages and not just put one big QC at the end. Whenever one person finishes working someone QCs this person's work, either by using VobSub or a really crappy 1-pass video. Then of course, when everything seems finished, you do a nice multipass encode and all and do the final QC.

Like I said you might already do this, especially seeing as how you have much more experience than us and all, but I just thought I'd try to help out. ^_^x

[Gods_Son]

People should just let the groups work however they want to, if it takes too long or isn't the quality you were looking for, then find a way to do it yourself. There's no need to bitch so much about something that is free.

[DraGunZer0]

Agrees with KonohamaruCorps. You aren't paying for anything so you have no right to complain. I download anything and everything that is subbed by Aone and ANBU because it's my fav. subbing group. Although if there is a new anime that isn't subbed by Aone or ANBU, then I would DL the next best subber (IMO) Anime-Keep but Aone/ANBU usually subs every new series out so no need to turn to another subbing group. If I was rich, I would license Naruto, keep the original voice acting and scenes, and hire the entire Aone/ANBU staff to sub the series... but im not rich -.-

[Elly]

Sorry to see the thread "degrade" like that. I was only browsing the forums when I noticed that joint remark, so I only wanted to correct it. I appologize if that caused any incovenience and I totally agree with most people remarks about ANBU-Aone subbing efforts. They were on the scene here before and they are one of the best experienced groups out there.

Yours,
-Elly

[Ciber]

Originally posted by: ?igma

Originally posted by: Ciber

Originally posted by: ?igma
My 2cts is that Anbu is getting Sloppy, and SO is getting good quickly, meaning, that Anbu (and therefor gotwoot) rests upon the anime community for its support. If that support drops, I dont even download A/A anymore, because they are often very late, then things will get both ugly for gotwoot AND anbu, so dont get so cocky , I loved the S-O episode, wether you people want it or not..

And sure we will go to their forum, as soon as they post it [img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-smile.gif[/img]

I suggest that if you don't know how much work we put into our episodes that you please keep your ignorant mouth shut.

Ofcourse I wouldnt know, I can guess it though, but, mainly, I notice the huge amount of subs you do..thats what I mean with sloppy, you devide your time to much , which slows alot of other projects.

Not that I'm diappointed with your subs, hell no, I download all that is Anbu , because it stands for quality.

I was just saying that S-O , on the few subs they do, performed better on Naruto this time.
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And I am not 12 years old, you might not have noticed, but you can tell by the way someone writes, not by his opinion in a matter.

I could get to kid-mode and start screaming like ...some..of you, or start calling people ignorants, but hey, that would be too impolite.

The Naruto delays have absolutely nothing to do with other projects.

The delays with other projects also have nothing to do with the amount of projects we do.


You don't know anything about our internal affairs, so please save us the trouble of correcting you and don't "guess".


I stand by my comment regarding your ignorance.

[Mut]

hmmm...

where can i get one of those... or something like that... =D

[Ciber]

Originally posted by: Mut@t@
hmmm...

where can i get one of those... or something like that... =D

I can give you the title of "Gimp".

[complich8]

I think you've gotta be God like Ciber to get one of those. Hell, he hasn't even given ME one yet :-p.

I think he's just irritated that people don't recognize him, even though his name's been in the naruto credits for some untold but fairly significant chunk of episodes (and he owns the goddamned place). We were talking about that not too long ago, I guess he finally got annoyed enough to do something about it (or it could just be that wilik's back and tweaking code again [img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-wink.gif[/img]).

He's right though. A lot of people think that because we haven't released anything in 3 whole days that we've mismanaged our time or taken on more than we can handle. But when you've got 40ish people who are all specialized to one or maybe two jobs (out of about 8 jobs I would classify as fundamental fansubbing roles) sometimes peoples schedules line up well and everything goes fine, and other times 3 people with the same job disappear for a couple days and the fourth can't cover the other 3 completely (or in some cases even at all). I've personally been in situations in the last 2 months where I'd come home from work, qc until I went to sleep, wake up, qc, go to work, every day for a week. Why? Because 2 other people had final exams (mine had already ended), one had a family emergency, and one disappeared without a trace. Did our releases slow down that week? You're damned skippy they did. Does that mean we were "sloppy" about things? Not in my opinion. Things came up, shit happened (and a lot of it). A lot of axioms and laws kicked into place (ie: "When it rains it pours" and Murphy's law).

Similarly (and in response to what Kidd said), in a group of highly specialized people, you don't have specialists in one area (who are usually weak in others) fill in for the roles they are weak in. There is a degree of mutual trust that a group of specialists has to maintain, which boils down to "this person is good at this job, and I'm not, so I'm going to leave their work alone". For example, our kickass stylist/effect artist Eise is damned incredible at what he does. Would I try to do his job? No! Absolutely not, I don't know textsub, I don't know the strange stuff he does, and I don't have the same keen aesthetic sense that he does. Similarly, I'd never expect him to do grammar checking or flow editing, because that's not what he's good at. To use a naruto-ism, it's like Rock Lee doing Genjutsu and Sakura doing Taijutsu -- it just doesn't make sense.

Specialists are almost always a LOT better at what they do than generalists are. We've got a group of them, we don't do each others' jobs for a reason. As a qc/editor if a series is stalled at typeset, I could either pretend I know how to typeset and do a terrible job at it that'll take me 5 times longer to do than an experienced typesetter would, or I can look at the script and tweak the flow and the grammar a bit and let it wait for a typesetter to show up to typeset it.

QC for us is a specialist position too. The specialty is being a really frigging picky bastard. Depending on the series and the other crew members, different things might be needed -- like for example, I do a lot of flow editing on Naruto (because even though I'm a picky bastard, I'm more of an English language specialist). Ciber is better at spotting big stupid stuff (like a forgotten word that I would often mentally gloss over), Jed is better at seeing timing and typesetting errors (though he's also really solid on the editing side too). A lot of the randomness of our releases comes from the fact that we all have lives, and many of us (me included) have relatively unpredictable commitments, or predictable but very badly timed ones (I can't think of how many times an encoder or a typesetter has said something like "I'll be back in 12 hours" 10 minutes before we needed something from them).

[?igma]

Originally posted by: Ciber

Originally posted by: ?igma

Originally posted by: Ciber

Originally posted by: ?igma
My 2cts is that Anbu is getting Sloppy, and SO is getting good quickly, meaning, that Anbu (and therefor gotwoot) rests upon the anime community for its support. If that support drops, I dont even download A/A anymore, because they are often very late, then things will get both ugly for gotwoot AND anbu, so dont get so cocky , I loved the S-O episode, wether you people want it or not..

And sure we will go to their forum, as soon as they post it [img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-smile.gif[/img]

I suggest that if you don't know how much work we put into our episodes that you please keep your ignorant mouth shut.

Ofcourse I wouldnt know, I can guess it though, but, mainly, I notice the huge amount of subs you do..thats what I mean with sloppy, you devide your time to much , which slows alot of other projects.

Not that I'm diappointed with your subs, hell no, I download all that is Anbu , because it stands for quality.

I was just saying that S-O , on the few subs they do, performed better on Naruto this time.
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And I am not 12 years old, you might not have noticed, but you can tell by the way someone writes, not by his opinion in a matter.

I could get to kid-mode and start screaming like ...some..of you, or start calling people ignorants, but hey, that would be too impolite.

The Naruto delays have absolutely nothing to do with other projects.

The delays with other projects also have nothing to do with the amount of projects we do.


You don't know anything about our internal affairs, so please save us the trouble of correcting you and don't "guess".


I stand by my comment regarding your ignorance.

Then you just plain suck @ speed, whatever [img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-smile.gif[/img] , you go girl, keep it up [img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-smile.gif[/img]

[Ciber]

Originally posted by: ?igma

Originally posted by: Ciber

Originally posted by: ?igma

Originally posted by: Ciber

Originally posted by: ?igma
My 2cts is that Anbu is getting Sloppy, and SO is getting good quickly, meaning, that Anbu (and therefor gotwoot) rests upon the anime community for its support. If that support drops, I dont even download A/A anymore, because they are often very late, then things will get both ugly for gotwoot AND anbu, so dont get so cocky , I loved the S-O episode, wether you people want it or not..

And sure we will go to their forum, as soon as they post it [img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-smile.gif[/img]

I suggest that if you don't know how much work we put into our episodes that you please keep your ignorant mouth shut.

Ofcourse I wouldnt know, I can guess it though, but, mainly, I notice the huge amount of subs you do..thats what I mean with sloppy, you devide your time to much , which slows alot of other projects.

Not that I'm diappointed with your subs, hell no, I download all that is Anbu , because it stands for quality.

I was just saying that S-O , on the few subs they do, performed better on Naruto this time.
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And I am not 12 years old, you might not have noticed, but you can tell by the way someone writes, not by his opinion in a matter.

I could get to kid-mode and start screaming like ...some..of you, or start calling people ignorants, but hey, that would be too impolite.

The Naruto delays have absolutely nothing to do with other projects.

The delays with other projects also have nothing to do with the amount of projects we do.


You don't know anything about our internal affairs, so please save us the trouble of correcting you and don't "guess".


I stand by my comment regarding your ignorance.

Then you just plain suck @ speed, whatever [img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-smile.gif[/img] , you go girl, keep it up [img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-smile.gif[/img]

You seem to have serious reading comprehension issues.

[^D@rkL0rd^]

Naruto is the best of all!!

[Jessper]

Originally posted by: ?igma
Then you just plain suck @ speed, whatever [img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-smile.gif[/img] , you go girl, keep it up [img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-smile.gif[/img]

I have seen a fair number ofpeople attempt to get banned from forums for varius reasons but as with most I don't see why you seem to be trying so hard. Pretty pathetic that you have to come on someone's forums and complain about free services reminds me of my 9yr old brother...

[Gods_Son]

Who cares about ?igma. For the most part I'd say it's pretty obvious that the members of gotwoot are loyal and appreciate AonE's work. Getting a new title like "Gimp" or "God" seems more interesting to me.

[Board of Command]

Damn it, stop quoting entire chains of quotes. You're wearing down my scroll wheel [img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-mad.gif[/img]

[Mut]

Originally posted by: Ciber

Originally posted by: Mut@t@
hmmm...

where can i get one of those... or something like that... =D

I can give you the title of "Gimp".

i'll take it.

EDIT: OMFG!@ i'm a resident gimp now! hahaha, ciber is the sexiest... =D w00t thanks!

[Gods_Son]

Originally posted by: Mut@t@

Originally posted by: Ciber
I can give you the title of "Gimp".

i'll take it.

haha, same. Gimp sounds good to me.

[?igma]

You seem to have serious reading comprehension issues.

No I dont, I just stated an opinion, not alot you can do about it ..