Truth About Uchiha's Past

[Kalean]

Originally posted by: RasenDori
i dont think that the point was to test his actually strength. itachi knows that he is strong.
consider what is the most important thing to the ninjas of the leaf: friendship and peace.
if itachi wanted to join the akatsuki he must be willing to break free from what others consider to be the weakness of the leaf (which is actually there greatest strength)
the greatest extreme of this is killing his family and by doing thisitachi is able to prove that he can break away from his humanity and become a tool, the way of the shinobi.
i feel that he failed in that attempt and feels remorseful, and therefore wants sasuke to kill him for his sins

That's a decent enough theory for how Itachi could be a bad guy, although I think the good guy covering up theory makes more sense. Good job for thinking it out though.

[meroko01]

His unique reasoning would be that maybe the parents or entire family could have been planning an evil trap for the kids or to destroy Konoha village.
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err i dont think the old lady (their aunt) and her husband are the types to plot an evil trap to destroy konoha .. yet itachi killed them both .. so it makes no sense .. to me at least ^^

[Sharingan83]

Originally posted by: _naruto_X
your "friend" is a liar and a thief.

itachi almost killed sasuke and you call that protecting?
and what coincedence?

I found it to be a coincidence becuase there's a problem within the household of the Uchiha's, so it seemed suspicious that their father was involved in the past right?

[kaigan]

yea, i don't think your friend's reason is correct.

[XwingRob]

Originally posted by: Pervert-Sennin Jiraiya

Originally posted by: Mut@t@
itachi making it look like that he murdered the uchiha clan and his family makes NO sense. for what possible reason could he have done this? what would he get out of it?

if he told sasuke about the real murderer chances would have been that sasuke would try to kill him and therefore risk his own life, it seems like itachi really loves his brother fomr the latest chapter so he said he killed the clan to protect sasuke if sasuke would try to kill itachi itachi wouldnt kill him just escape or knock him out. is there any other reason to show sasuke how they uchihas died with the mangekyou? why torture his brother who he love for no reason? also the reason why he killed his clan is very stupid, i did it to test my own strength then why not go up against the strongest of jounins or maybe even the hokage, there are pleanty of alternatives other than killing your own family. he doesnt seem like a cold blooded murderer either, he could have killed several ppl already for example kakashi and kurenai but let them live, why?

so stop calling ppl liars, stupid, idiots etc tec just because they com up with a diffrent theory that you guys dont like. grow the fuck up. also dont say things like thats incorrect say why its incorrect.

Wow, Pervert-Sennin Jiraiya. I like your theory. Heh.
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[Mut]

Originally posted by: Pervert-Sennin Jiraiya

Originally posted by: Mut@t@
itachi making it look like that he murdered the uchiha clan and his family makes NO sense. for what possible reason could he have done this? what would he get out of it?

if he told sasuke about the real murderer chances would have been that sasuke would try to kill him and therefore risk his own life, it seems like itachi really loves his brother fomr the latest chapter so he said he killed the clan to protect sasuke if sasuke would try to kill itachi itachi wouldnt kill him just escape or knock him out. is there any other reason to show sasuke how they uchihas died with the mangekyou? why torture his brother who he love for no reason? also the reason why he killed his clan is very stupid, i did it to test my own strength then why not go up against the strongest of jounins or maybe even the hokage, there are pleanty of alternatives other than killing your own family. he doesnt seem like a cold blooded murderer either, he could have killed several ppl already for example kakashi and kurenai but let them live, why?

so stop calling ppl liars, stupid, idiots etc tec just because they com up with a diffrent theory that you guys dont like. grow the fuck up. also dont say things like thats incorrect say why its incorrect.

here you go, asshole. it's from another topic i posted in. i think it answers some of your questions and it gives some counter arguments.

Originally posted by: Mut@t@
i don't understand people who think itachi isn't a bad guy.

this is why i think itachi is a bad guy.

he's a psycho. he can be be all loving and friendly (like how he is shown in ch 220), but inside, he's really a crazy maniac capable of killing everyone. so going back to the uchiha massacre. that night he does kill everyone using them as his measuring stick (who cares if we didn't see him do the actual killing, what's to say that he didn't do it?). sasuke runs his prissy ass home and finds everything desecrated and cries. blah blah itachi let's him live because he knows that only an uchiha can beat him so he wants sasuke to become stronger and fight him later for another measure of his strength. that's why he only killed the uchihas.

BUT, then people could say "well, why doesn't he fight people like sannins or other kages if he really wanted to test his strength?"

answer: i dunno. maybe itachi can't get over the fact that only uchihas are capable of killing him that's why he doesn't bother with others. my theory isn't sound or anything but it's the most logical to me. i'll be waiting for someone to call me dense or something because i'm not thinking more deeply into the situation like most of you have.

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i don't think this theory (which i think is the most common) is even remotely possible cuz it's absolutely illogical.

someone else killed the uchiha clan (probably orochimaru because he wants the sharingan) so itachi decided to take the blame. this makes sure that sasuke doesn't go for the real killer and get killed. sasuke ends up persuing itachi (the accused killer) and doesn't bump into the real killer and in the end itachi let's him know of everything.

this theory is just plain dumb. if orochimaru wanted to take any of the uchiha's i'm almost 100% positive that he could have. i am sure that orochimaru could've kicked everyone's ass 5-6 years ago and i doubt that itachi would've been able to stop him then. and IF orochimaru did do it, why didn't he just go after itachi or sasuke then? was itachi that much stronger than orochimaru? why i guess itach is either considerably stronger than orochimaru or orochimaru is just weak as hell (which he is not so i guess it's the first one). also, wouldn't it be a lot easier and safer for itachi to just tell sasuke that someone else was the real killer and they should get stronger together to go beat the real killer?

if there are more theories which you guys think is more logical than what i wrote, let me know.

and as for itachi not killing the people he's faced so far. he can't kill any of those people. this isn't FMA. anyone that has been introduced and given a name cannot be killed in this story. him killing any of the jounins he fought is just stupid.

ok to answer it more thoroughly:

Originally posted by: Pervert-Sennin Jiraiya
if he told sasuke about the real murderer chances would have been that sasuke would try to kill him and therefore risk his own life, it seems like itachi really loves his brother fomr the latest chapter so he said he killed the clan to protect sasuke if sasuke would try to kill itachi itachi wouldnt kill him just escape or knock him out.

what...?

is there any other reason to show sasuke how they uchihas died with the mangekyou? why torture his brother who he love for no reason?

uhhh... the reason to show that is because itachi is a psycho. and he tortured his bro and didn't kill him... i answered this already in that post i quoted.

also the reason why he killed his clan is very stupid, i did it to test my own strength then why not go up against the strongest of jounins or maybe even the hokage, there are pleanty of alternatives other than killing your own family. he doesnt seem like a cold blooded murderer either, he could have killed several ppl already for example kakashi and kurenai but let them live, why?

i answered this already in that post i quoted.

so stop calling ppl liars, stupid, idiots etc tec just because they com up with a diffrent theory that you guys dont like. grow the fuck up. also dont say things like thats incorrect say why its incorrect.

no.

[Assertn]

ive mentioned this before, but using mangekyou sharingan to reveal parts of the story instead of seeing it directly could be used to cover up a greater truth.....but more than likely its just a more dramatic way that fits nicer into the flashbacks. It's simply cooler to see the reinactment the way itachi shows it, and it would be boring and redundant to show the event happening both in realtime AND from mangekyou.

[RasenDori]

i feel that there is one main hole in the itachi is a good guy theory: he wants sasuke to hate him, he left him alive to be the avenger of the clan
if you want someone to become stronger for revenge you dont make them hate you... all of there anger goes the wrong direction and you will NEVER gain that former relationship again
if itachi just tells sasuke someday "oh yeah...it wasnt me ... it was some other guy"
do you think that sasuke will just say "oh...i had it wrong this whole time. lets go kill him together nii-san...right after you give me a hug"
then everything that built up sasukes character since chapter 4 has been a complete waste of time
if itachi was a good guy why would he make sasuke lead such a dangerous life?
im an older brother myself and i cant imagine putting my sibling through that much hell...itachi cares very little about his brother now and only wants sasuke to kill him

[Death BOO Z]

Itachi want's to keep Sauske alive, and if he told him that someone else killed the clan, then Sasuke would probably go after that man and end up getting killed (not before begging for his misreable life, of course...), so by telling Sasuke that he killed the clan, Itachi makes sure that Sasuke will do his best to live ('survive in the most pathetic way, cling to life and strive to kill me') and if he finds out that Sasuke still isn't strong enough, he'll tell him to keep trying and avoids killing him...

maybe Itachi want's to be Sasuke's meassuring stick himself (that sound really bad...), so that once Sasuke is able to kill him, Itachi will tell Sasuke the truth becuase he'll know that Sasuke will be able to take revenge against the true killer...

[PSJ]

Originally posted by: RasenDori
i feel that there is one main hole in the itachi is a good guy theory: he wants sasuke to hate him, he left him alive to be the avenger of the clan
if you want someone to become stronger for revenge you dont make them hate you... all of there anger goes the wrong direction and you will NEVER gain that former relationship again
if itachi just tells sasuke someday "oh yeah...it wasnt me ... it was some other guy"
do you think that sasuke will just say "oh...i had it wrong this whole time. lets go kill him together nii-san...right after you give me a hug"
then everything that built up sasukes character since chapter 4 has been a complete waste of time
if itachi was a good guy why would he make sasuke lead such a dangerous life?
im an older brother myself and i cant imagine putting my sibling through that much hell...itachi cares very little about his brother now and only wants sasuke to kill him

so lets say if orochimaru killed the uchihas you would tell your brother, that a really strong and evil ninja killed his whole family so he would go after him instead? by telling sasuke that you did it yoo can ensure that he only focuses on you and therefore doesnt face any strong ruthless enemies. and you obviously wont kill him since you love him.

i am also a older brother and if i had to choose between these to i would choose to make myself the target.

[XwingRob]

Agreed.

[Mut]

Originally posted by: Pervert-Sennin Jiraiya
so lets say if orochimaru killed the uchihas you would tell your brother, that a really strong and evil ninja killed his whole family so he would go after him instead? by telling sasuke that you did it yoo can ensure that he only focuses on you and therefore doesnt face any strong ruthless enemies. and you obviously wont kill him since you love him.

i am also a older brother and if i had to choose between these to i would choose to make myself the target.

well, that can't be cuz itachi already knows that sasuke has a cure seal which means he probably knows that sasuke has already ran into orochimaru. i'm sure itachi knows about orochimaru since they were once in an organization together and are both from konoha. i guess itachi's plan pretty much failed miserably.

[Moriarte]

Hrm, Itachi may feel that hating the elder brother would cause a greater drive for revenge than simply some stranger killing his family. And, if Sasuke can kill Itachi...he can kill Orochimaru.

HRm...maybe Itachi is a mole inside the Akatsuki(sp?) and used the death of the Uchiha clan as a way to get "in"...and that um...the Uchiha's were in league with...!!! Nah, [img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-tongue.gif[/img].

Itachi's plan may very well have back-fired indeed. It will be interesting if A) This is true and B) How Itachi will deal with it.

[RasenDori]

regardless of if itachi is a good guy or not sasuke would will still hate him...it is because of that reason that i cant buy itachi being a good guy... it be a waste of sasukes character

[Assertn]

Originally posted by: Pervert-Sennin Jiraiya
so lets say if orochimaru killed the uchihas you would tell your brother, that a really strong and evil ninja killed his whole family so he would go after him instead? by telling sasuke that you did it yoo can ensure that he only focuses on you and therefore doesnt face any strong ruthless enemies. and you obviously wont kill him since you love him.

i am also a older brother and if i had to choose between these to i would choose to make myself the target.

except in the real world all you'd be doing would make your brother live completely in solitude and hate and distrust everyone.....as opposed to being honest and at least being there for him.

[PSJ]

i wasnt bringing this into the real world, i tried to bring us in there... of course it wouldnt work in the real world. but that isnt very diffrent fomr what happened to sasuke, its better than death right?

[jing]

Goddam, its theory and speculations people, don't immediately bash it up if you don't have a better ones.

[ohpeekaboo]

i think, as goes for many powerful villians,

itachi is neither good nor bad by the common standards, but justified by his own twisted inner ones. that's why his actions don't necessarily have to flow together because his own value system is very different from the rest of the naruto universes'..

i think a lot of questions will be put to rest when more information is revealed concerning the mission that itachi's father mentioned..

because it sure didn't seem kosher by leaf standards the way they were talking about it.....

[PSJ]

hmm yea we cant say much about itachi yet all we have seen is what sasuke remembers.

[jing]

OH I know.
Itachi has split personality. His insane side kill the whole family.